Re: history of antibiotic use

[Guest guest]

Tony,

When I heard her speak, and she is very old

now, she said she could grow borrelia easily. Then when she told the government

researchers how to grow it they didn’t follow the directions. I would

tend to agree with you except that I have seen first hand the extreme stupidity

of the US Center for Disease Control. In 1984 they got lymph node biopsies from

Dr. Bell with the outbreak of cfs in kids in Lyndonville, NY.

THEY NEVER TESTED THOSE KIDS LYMPH BIOPSIES FOR ANYTHING. NADA. That is just

plain stupid.

So was Bateman the problem? Maybe,

but maybe not.

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PAula

If you did pathology for 70 years and brought a doctor on board you

would have helped human health even to the smallest degree- yet she

didn't tie in with anyone- writes books which I would comfortably

say fit better with fiction.Why I say this is cause BACTERIA AINT

THERE WHEN YOU LOOK YET THE NEXT DAY YOUR GROWING COLONIES.I found

early in microbiology if anyone sent me a swab to actually try and

find bacteria on the swab often failed yet they still grew the next

day- This is why I get a head of steam up ...cause at this point I

could say mycoplasma- but the same applies in TB you see the damage

you know the bugs ther but you may have the mycoplasma form and need

to allow the bacillus to show up.

Again a I can't support someone that hasn't given me an ounce of

help with my disease.

[Guest guest]

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> As I said if you where a teacher looking after a class of fifty and

> I'm sure many of your pupils would be shedding some nasty resistant

> bacteria if they're been sick- seen a doc who's given them a course

> of drugs.Remember bacteria can change all there brothers and

> sisters with one virus carrying the new DNA.

And there's the vaccination issue, with kids who have been vaccinated

(or whose siblings or parents, etc, have), shedding whatever-the-heck

is in the vaccines (mutated virii, contaminant pathogens, etc). Add in

the interaction of the vaccine junk w endogenous organisms, neuro,

endocrine and immune effects, plus some pesticide or solvent exposures

(openning up the Blood-Brain Barrier), some mercury amalgams, and what

a mess.

Jo

[Guest guest]

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I can't understand how you say 'recup- go figure'. This defies,

commonsense the facts about needing to increase your blood volume is

evident since day 1 in these iilnesses- you basically don't have an

immune system if your blood ain't going everywhere. Also many

techniques have evolved in normal everyday ailments that so fit us.

You have people cupping there bodies to try and bring blood into the

small circulatiion which also aids possably the volume. You have

others that stretch themselves on racks to try and bring about

changes in there health.You have many autoimmune people claiming

electricly altering things helps-tens for pain-rife for pathogen

killing-magnetic therapies for pain control-copper bracelets

possably shortcircuiting things, virtually anything that puts a

spanner in the works should be applauded IMO.The other thing that

shouldn't be discounted is that many people become ill by 'whiplash'-

how many people in the population are only a step away from us is

incredable IMO, you seem to have a couple at home that are just

functioning (at a guess).

The key to this is understanding how many people have walled off

infections that are just rearing to break loose.I say this from a

perspective of a few that had tonsils removed- the pus was that bad

the tonsil squirted the surgeon, the others had the infection

reaching deep into the neck and it had to be scraped of the side-

deep into the neck.

You see the other thing I applaud is that the antiogensin level can

be dampened by salt- I discovered if I salted hard enough I could

dampen the cytokine storm or whatever you want to call it.

Also could you please ask the people on the other forum why it is

that people from aboriginal backgrounds that have supreme looking

bodies rippling with muscle and beautiful white teeth die young when

pathogens invade them, and there immune system doesn't protect them.-

These people are miles in front of any westerner as far as having a

ROBUST IMMUNE SYSTEM just due to the fact that they are supposedly

exposed to pathogens which is what modst of medicine is blaming on

many sicknesses today.Asthma may be caused by too clean an

environment, too sterile according to the experts and our immune

systems ain't developing as nicely as they would like.

The constant nonsense about fixing the immune system makes me want

to puke over at experimental.pathogens are just that 'pathogens'-

cause they evade the immune system and kill and maim We invent

vaccines and drugs to conquer them if the immune system could we

wouldn't need anything.

-- In infections , " a Carnes "

<pj7@...> wrote:

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> Tony, this cracked me up. I don't know what I believe anymore. I

got kicked

> out of the " tricky dicky " group because I try to think. That left

me at the

> end of my rope - no more ropes to hold onto. I started taking

Recuperation -

> what a joke - and lo and behold it seems to be working. Go figure.

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> Any thoughts? My best guess is that sodium citrate is good for me.

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> That possably explains why you are a bit luckier than most and get

> away with a bit of zithro.I hope you don't believe the spiel from

> the hefty one as far as low dose and tricky dicky therapies that

get

> the herx started stuff goes.

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[Guest guest]

Tony, people don't want to hear about it. I don't know why, because we could start making some progress if we could focus mass attention on pathogens and the huge issue it really is. I try speaking softly, and everyone ignores me. So then I speak loudly, and people just get mad. Then I get accused of being too vocal or "venting" which further deflects attention from the original point. There's no winning, except for a few people who do get it but also see what they're up against so most stay quiet and the status quo remains. The toughest thing to deal with is the people who claim they already know what we're talking about when it's obvious they don't. And also, the saddest thing to me is that people have truly bought into the idea that's been foisted on us by the medicos that it's OUR bodies who are at fault here. It's just not true. Not on this kind of massive scale. Our bodies are miracle machines, and we should be looking at how to keep them that way, rather than trying to prove they are defective. It's like saying a Mercedes is defective for getting a flat tire when driving over glass Unfortunately, this is what keeps us from getting anywhere in the mainstream. Everyone's too busy blaming themselves and trying to tune up their engines instead of clearing the glass off the road first. penny dumbaussie2000 <dumbaussie2000@...> wrote: The constant nonsense about fixing the immune system makes me want to puke over at experimental.pathogens are just that 'pathogens'- cause they evade the immune system and kill and maim We invent vaccines and drugs to conquer them if the immune system could we wouldn't need

anything.

[Guest guest]

Penny

Yo have an obvious sinus problem, destructed by an obvious pathogen

(pseudonmas) which is ranked at about no 4 for hospital bloodstream

infections and deaths.

Just tell them- hey binnies I only needed to go to a decent ENT and

I had no problem discovering-

1 I have a major sinus disease- Infection.

2 I have a pathoegnic reason for my disease- pseudonomas.

3 If that ain't bad enough I also have other host pathogens staph

areus and a couple of toxic under the radars for good measure.

no shortage of pathogens or ilness and the bugger of all buggers is

that people are being hospitalised constantly all over the world for

the same pathogens, and there healthy immune systems also didn't

function-

I could see some of the nilly nellies from that forum running around

hospital wards pulling the IV's out of people's arms because they

are going to ruin there flora. As Barb said I don't want to manage

my disease, I want to conquer it .. plus we don't have anything

exciting to hold onto in the way of good flora, the toxic load down

there is killing our intestinal tract.

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> The constant nonsense about fixing the immune system makes me want

> to puke over at experimental.pathogens are just that 'pathogens'-

> cause they evade the immune system and kill and maim We invent

> vaccines and drugs to conquer them if the immune system could we

> wouldn't need anything.

>