Re: history of antibiotic use

[Guest guest]

You all

High antibiotic resistance traits didn't come from a corn flakes

packet. Often you can be a teacher and ill children can excrete there

bugs. Dust is skin shedding, so you get more thn you bargain for in

school buildings.

>

> > I wasn't going to comment on this, but I also would welcome some

> > documentation. My own experience was that I had very few times in

> > my entire life where I used any antibiotics. Only had penicillin

> > twice as a child. My onset of cfs doesn't seem related to

> > antibiotics at all. I

>

> I had very few antibiotics during my life as well, until after my

> Lyme diagnosis.

>

> - Kate

>

[Guest guest]

me, too. Only penicillin as a child, and apparently I'm still susceptible. But I don't think that's the point Tony's trying to make necessarily. Only that antibiotics are not being used correctly resulting in super bugs. So we're either a direct victim ourselves, or an indirect victim infected by someone else's super bugs. penny Kate <KateDunlay@...> wrote: On Jun 1, 2006, at 3:09 PM, a Carnes wrote: I wasn’t going to comment on this, but I also would welcome some documentation. My own experience was that I had very few times in my entire life where I used any antibiotics. Only had penicillin twice as a child. My onset of cfs doesn’t seem related to antibiotics at all. I I had very few antibiotics during my life as well, until after my Lyme diagnosis. - Kate

[Guest guest]

Penny, I think we are all victims

particularly of the use of antibiotics in farm animals. But my understanding of

what Tony said was that those of us who developed these diseases had used MORE

antibiotics as children. I don’t think this can be proven. Even if there

was such research it might still only indicate that those people had poorly

functioning immune systems and thus got sick more often all their lives.

a

me, too. Only penicillin as a child, and apparently I'm still

susceptible.

But I don't think that's the point Tony's trying to make necessarily.

Only that antibiotics are not being used correctly resulting in super bugs. So

we're either a direct victim ourselves, or an indirect

victim infected by someone else's super bugs.

penny

Kate

<KateDunlay@...> wrote:

On Jun 1, 2006, at 3:09 PM, a Carnes

wrote:

I

wasn’t going to comment on this, but I also would welcome some

documentation. My own experience was that I had very few times in my entire

life where I used any antibiotics. Only had penicillin twice as a child. My

onset of cfs doesn’t seem related to antibiotics at all. I

I had very few antibiotics during my life as well, until after my Lyme

diagnosis.

- Kate

[Guest guest]

I definitely think you're misinterpreting what he's saying. Although it wouldn't surprise me if prior antibiotic usage is not a factor in a good number of cases. I'm constantly hearing of people who were dealing with various infections prior to having CFS. The problem is, we've been brainwashed to discount infections like ear/sinus etc. as unimportant, and inconsequential. So we forget about them. I doubt if there are very many among us who haven't had at least some experience with antibiotics, and I do believe that the majority of us have probably been given a wrong antibiotic, or too few antibiotics, at some point in time, creating stronger bugs. penny a Carnes <pj7@...> wrote: Penny, I think we are all victims

particularly of the use of antibiotics in farm animals. But my understanding of what Tony said was that those of us who developed these diseases had used MORE antibiotics as children. I don’t think this can be proven. Even if there was such research it might still only indicate that those people had poorly functioning immune systems and thus got sick more often all their lives. a me,

too. Only penicillin as a child, and apparently I'm still susceptible. But I don't think that's the point Tony's trying to make necessarily. Only that antibiotics are not being used correctly resulting in super bugs. So we're either a direct victim ourselves, or an indirect victim infected by someone else's super bugs. penny Kate <KateDunlay@...> wrote: On Jun 1, 2006, at 3:09 PM, a Carnes

wrote: I wasn’t going to comment on this, but I also would welcome some documentation. My own experience was that I had very few times in my entire life where I used any antibiotics. Only had penicillin twice as a child. My onset of cfs doesn’t seem related to antibiotics at all. I I had very few antibiotics during my life as well, until after my Lyme diagnosis. - Kate

[Guest guest]

On Jun 2, 2006, at 3:20 PM, Penny Houle wrote to a:

> I definitely think you're misinterpreting what he's saying.

Just for the record, I thought that's what Tony was saying too.

Whatever.

- Kate

[Guest guest]

a

It's just the bacterial resistance markers are so screwed up with

autoimmune patients that signify exposure to these groups of drugs.

As I said if you where a teacher looking after a class of fifty and

I'm sure many of your pupils would be shedding some nasty resistant

bacteria if they're been sick- seen a doc who's given them a course

of drugs.Remember bacteria can change all there brothers and

sisters with one virus carrying the new DNA.Actually in a hospital

setting the way a staph areus is known to be the home run hero is by

phage typing.They actually check the phage which codes the bacteria

like a computer program and they know IT " S OUR GUY.

I also belive this phenomena can happen in nature but it's likely

hood has been multiplied millions of times in the western world.You

also mention borrelia and how everyone in your home has been

diagnosed, the doctor that orders these tests is also highly

positrive yet he shows no signs of ill health?????The amounts of

positive and severity of disease don't place borrelia in the right

place at the right time if you were doing a murder

investigation.It's also hard to be invisable and cause mayhem if

your the size of a semi-trailer.Bb are 10,000 times larger than

normal bacteria and then they are a 100,000 times larger than

rickettsia and some of the speices that fall between viruses and

bacteria.

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>

> I wasn't going to comment on this, but I also would welcome some

> documentation. My own experience was that I had very few times in

my entire

> life where I used any antibiotics. Only had penicillin twice as a

child. My

> onset of cfs doesn't seem related to antibiotics at all. I

>

>

>

> I had very few antibiotics during my life as well, until after my

Lyme

> diagnosis.

>

>

>

> - Kate

>

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>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Guys

I'm just trying to say that living in the western world in high

antibiotic use countriues- there seems to be a consequence. I can't

sit here and say how terrably excited I get when ding dong from the

other forum sits and spins yarns about autistic kids and these poor

kids have 'YEAST INFECTIONS.'

Hello!!! if a kid has a yeast infection normally they call in the

police and blame the parents for sexual misconduct.What do you want

this ilness to be- THERE " S A POSITIVE IN YOUR FACE INFECTION that

needs to be hunted and diagnosed IMO.

But no we'll wait and listen to the telecast on how the protein they

spent 22 years studying didn't synthesize.Please look carefully at

these diseases and just go one symptom at a time- I have no doubt

that if your knee is sore it's oozing bacteria-NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER.

Why you couldn't take this a step forward instead of falling into

PCR's and the like is the twist in this disease that keeps it in the

dark.

>

>

> On Jun 2, 2006, at 3:20 PM, Penny Houle wrote to a:

>

> > I definitely think you're misinterpreting what he's saying.

>

> Just for the record, I thought that's what Tony was saying too.

> Whatever.

>

> - Kate

>

[Guest guest]

> investigation.It's also hard to be invisable and cause mayhem if

> your the size of a semi-trailer.Bb are 10,000 times larger than

> normal bacteria and then they are a 100,000 times larger than

> rickettsia and some of the speices that fall between viruses and

> bacteria.

I thought you didn't believe in micoplasm either! Anyway, I don't

think the variant forms of Bb are as big as the spirochetes.

- Kate

[Guest guest]

On Jun 3, 2006, at 1:21 AM, dumbaussie2000 wrote:

> Guys

> I'm just trying to say that living in the western world in high

> antibiotic use countriues- there seems to be a consequence.

Okay. That makes total sense.

- Kate

[Guest guest]

Kate

The mycoplasma dudes have yet to convince me cause and effect. I did

notice that a group of 50 canadian cfs/fm sufferers did like the

nicholson protocol suggested and many claimed they got worse, some

claimed no chnge and possably one reported improvement or healed

after a six month period.

If your a gambling person would you put 500 or 1000 dollars on this

horse. I'm sorry I see no bacteria in a scope yet after 24 hours

they grow up to normal healthy bacteria- what there doing in the

accumulation phase can be called mycoplasma or whatever they want to

label it. but the horse is still at the starting gate as far as

EVERYTHING GOES MYCOPLAMSA WISE- esepcially the treatments. Those

poor vets got tortured by another imbecile gaining a 5 million

dollar grant to treat gulf war mycoplasma victims.Guess what none of

them got better either and many have since died- I WOULDN'T WANT

THIS GUY, NOR HIS CROC NEAR ME.Find me someone that's leading teh

mycoplasma war on treatment and I'll give you a thiumbs up. The

imbeciles should take a small page out of simple TB (an acid fast

bacillus) which is also classified as a mycoplasma in it's growth

phase and see what a small lung infection really takes to be treated

correctly. The other obvious for me is the great response most get

on the majority of treatments targetinmg bacterial cell walls for me

to even contemplate giving them a dollar for anything they do.

>

> > investigation.It's also hard to be invisable and cause mayhem if

> > your the size of a semi-trailer.Bb are 10,000 times larger than

> > normal bacteria and then they are a 100,000 times larger than

> > rickettsia and some of the speices that fall between viruses and

> > bacteria.

>

> I thought you didn't believe in micoplasm either! Anyway, I don't

> think the variant forms of Bb are as big as the spirochetes.

>

> - Kate

>

[Guest guest]

Tony, I assume you are talking about Dr.

Jeff Sherkey’s patients. I am the one who described that case. I want to

state plainly that at that time in 1997 he only knew to give them doxycycline.

We know now that doxy will not cure mycoplasma. Jeff himself tried antibiotics

for 18 months and finally gave up. Did he try the right ones, the right dose?

Would he have responded with something else. I don’t know. He died of

brain cancer a couple of years later.

At least one of Sherkey’s patients

had a Lyme diagnosis and responded to HBOT but was not cured.

On another note, your comments about

borrelia being easy to find and see may be true if you look at tissue where

they live. They don’t tend to stay in blood. Lida Mattman said the

easiest place to find them is in earlobes.

a

Kate

The mycoplasma dudes have yet to convince me cause and effect. I did

notice that a group of 50 canadian cfs/fm sufferers did like the

nicholson protocol suggested and many claimed they got worse, some

claimed no chnge and possably one reported improvement or healed

after a six month period.

If your a gambling person would you put 500 or 1000 dollars on this

horse. I'm sorry I see no bacteria in a scope yet after 24 hours

they grow up to normal healthy bacteria- what there doing in the

accumulation phase can be called mycoplasma or whatever they want to

label it. but the horse is still at the starting gate as far as

EVERYTHING GOES MYCOPLAMSA WISE- esepcially the treatments. Those

poor vets got tortured by another imbecile gaining a 5 million

dollar grant to treat gulf war mycoplasma victims.Guess what none of

them got better either and many have since died- I WOULDN'T WANT

THIS GUY, NOR HIS CROC NEAR ME.Find me someone that's leading teh

mycoplasma war on treatment and I'll give you a thiumbs up. The

imbeciles should take a small page out of simple TB (an acid fast

bacillus) which is also classified as a mycoplasma in it's growth

phase and see what a small lung infection really takes to be treated

correctly. The other obvious for me is the great response most get

on the majority of treatments targetinmg bacterial cell walls for me

to even contemplate giving them a dollar for anything they do.

>

> > investigation.It's also hard to be invisable and cause mayhem if

> > your the size of a semi-trailer.Bb are 10,000 times larger than

> > normal bacteria and then they are a 100,000 times larger than

> > rickettsia and some of the speices that fall between viruses and

> > bacteria.

>

> I thought you didn't believe in micoplasm either! Anyway, I don't

> think the variant forms of Bb are as big as the spirochetes.

>

> - Kate

>

[Guest guest]

a

You must be keen on the diagnosis of MYCOPLASMA INFECTION? The other

thing that falls at the feet of what we are trying to say in the

last couple of days is incomplete or incompetent treatment is

dangerous ...You just described a man doing a heap of suffering-

possably sat there thrilled to death that he was herxing, only to

bring on a brain cancer earlier than it may have manifested itself-

to go on and die from it.

Also I couldn't or wouldn't or don't give a rats arse what LIDa

Mattman thinks writes or preaches. A useless pointless lifetime of

research and she should be frowned at by the rest of medicine as has

occured and rightfully so.There's people that discover actinomyces

bacteria and tell you it takes a year of penicillin to eradicte,

others discover tetanii bacteria and realised they needed to enable

the body to take out the toxins and many others have done so many

things. Lida gave 70 years of research on staelth pathogens and

mainly spirochetes and she can't be quoted as saying it may take 1

to 10 months of this for us to see the colony count extinguished.She

never bothered to try an kill her spirochetes cause she took too

much effort to cultivate them- SHe then obviously couldn't team up

with anyone to show how they impact on human health and how when the

microscopic counts go down the patient does better- even in there

simple pathology- counts improve. NA we got a book on stealth

pathogens and government conspiracy theories.Please let's quote

people that made IMPACTS ON HUMAN HEALTH not vigilantes that went

against the grain, helped in no-one's health and rightfully are

still frowned on.

tony

> >

> > > investigation.It's also hard to be invisable and cause mayhem

if

> > > your the size of a semi-trailer.Bb are 10,000 times larger than

> > > normal bacteria and then they are a 100,000 times larger than

> > > rickettsia and some of the speices that fall between viruses

and

> > > bacteria.

> >

> > I thought you didn't believe in micoplasm either! Anyway, I

don't

> > think the variant forms of Bb are as big as the spirochetes.

> >

> > - Kate

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, how do you know it's misinformation? Because others say something different more frequently? Nobody else out there has the answers or we wouldn't have so many forums with people desperately looking for them. We allow open discussion here, even stuff that seems to go against the grain, because far too much misinformation is accepted as fact already. Lots of places to go to hear the same old story lines that aren't getting anyone well. And so few people who ever complain about THAT. You know why? Because it's the popular or accepted view. Personally, I'm not willing to die early, just to fit in with the crowd. If you think something's wrong then say so, and especially if you can document it, but me personally, I'm tired of hearing about autoimmune diseases and syndromes as if they're "real". A well respected friend recently said it very succinctly, 'the problem is, most

people think that the "syndrome" is the disease. So we're as bad as the doctors. We treat the "syndrome" instead of its cause.' penny julie levitt <knightshotter@...> wrote: For the record, I was never vaccinated as a child and I was never treated by my “hippie” parents with antibiotics. My first exposure to any of them was at age 16 with pcn. Saw people talking about long history of antibiotics pre set them up….There is a lot of misinformation it sees lately on this list. Am I the only one questioning it?

[Guest guest]

On Jun 3, 2006, at 1:54 AM, dumbaussie2000 wrote:

> Kate

> The mycoplasma dudes have yet to convince me

Sorry to make you write out a whole paragraph, Tony. I didn't really

mean to set you up. Just sort of teasing you, since you were talking

about SMALL bacteria. I know what you think of mycoplasma treatment!

> If your a gambling person would you put 500 or 1000 dollars on this

> horse.

If it was the only horse I had evidence of, I might. People search

for a visible problem or explanation for illness. Sometimes it's damn

hard to find one. Of course, on this list, we have become aware that

the medical system sometimes turns a blind eye and doesn't help us

find problems that should be visible. As far as I'm concerned, the

jury is out. I have no idea whether mycoplasma can be somebody's main

problem or not. I do know that my son who tested positive for Bb,

also tested positive for mycoplasma pneumoniae. So far, that's all

that has been found. Maybe you could find something else, but nobody

in the medical system here has the inclination to look at all. We can

pay a Lyme doc to look for certain other things, which they do find.

Maybe if we paid a fuflyngzxbd specialist to find fuflyngzxbd, they

would find that too....

- Kate

[Guest guest]

I just read an interesting article at

Mercola’s website stating that a study showed 50% of our emails are

misinterpreted.

Just to clarify, Dr. Sherkey was not

thrilled that he “herxed.” He was too early to understand what we

know today. He was terribly disappointed that he had been sick for years and

had over 80 sick patients with no solution. I expect his brain cancer had a

connection to whatever caused his disease. No one knows yet.

At the time, 1996, I was only aware of

mycoplasma. I now know that I and others probably have several chronic

intracellular infections. Tony, you and I are not disagreeing.

Well, I disagree on Mattman. Her area of

expertise was pathology. Since no one, in particular the US system,

wanted to take her research seriously, no, she didn’t get anywhere.

a

a

You must be keen on the diagnosis of MYCOPLASMA INFECTION? The other

thing that falls at the feet of what we are trying to say in the

last couple of days is incomplete or incompetent treatment is

dangerous ...You just described a man doing a heap of suffering-

possably sat there thrilled to death that he was herxing, only to

bring on a brain cancer earlier than it may have manifested itself-

to go on and die from it.

Also I couldn't or wouldn't or don't give a rats arse what LIDa

Mattman thinks writes or preaches. A useless pointless lifetime of

research and she should be frowned at by the rest of medicine as has

occured and rightfully so.There's people that discover actinomyces

bacteria and tell you it takes a year of penicillin to eradicte,

others discover tetanii bacteria and realised they needed to enable

the body to take out the toxins and many others have done so many

things. Lida gave 70 years of research on staelth pathogens and

mainly spirochetes and she can't be quoted as saying it may take 1

to 10 months of this for us to see the colony count extinguished.She

never bothered to try an kill her spirochetes cause she took too

much effort to cultivate them- SHe then obviously couldn't team up

with anyone to show how they impact on human health and how when the

microscopic counts go down the patient does better- even in there

simple pathology- counts improve. NA we got a book on stealth

pathogens and government conspiracy theories.Please let's quote

people that made IMPACTS ON HUMAN HEALTH not vigilantes that went

against the grain, helped in no-one's health and rightfully are

still frowned on.

tony

> >

> > > investigation.It's also hard to be invisable and cause mayhem

if

> > > your the size of a semi-trailer.Bb are 10,000 times larger than

> > > normal bacteria and then they are a 100,000 times larger than

> > > rickettsia and some of the speices that fall between viruses

and

> > > bacteria.

> >

> > I thought you didn't believe in micoplasm either! Anyway, I

don't

> > think the variant forms of Bb are as big as the spirochetes.

> >

> > - Kate

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for posting this. I posted that

same concept – almost no antibiotics with anyone in my immediate family,

certainly not my kids, yet we all are infected with borrelia with varying

symptoms. (I was the hippie parent)

a

For the record, I was never vaccinated as a child and I was

never treated by my “hippie” parents with antibiotics. My first

exposure to any of them was at age 16 with pcn. Saw people talking about long

history of antibiotics pre set them up….There is a lot of misinformation

it sees lately on this list. Am I the only one questioning it?

[Guest guest]

I think and I both stated plainly

that our history does not support the idea that taking a lot of antibiotics increases

or decreases the chance of getting cfs. The point was changed after I posted my

history to – the concept is that the overuse/misuse of antibiotics

creates these resistant bacteria. I certainly would not argue with that –

but that is not what Tony wrote in the first place. He wrote that he suspected

people who took a lot of antibiotics were more likely to be found in the cfs

population. My case and ’s does not fit that model, nor does the

case of my family. If you get infected with borrelia from tick bites it doesn’t

matter how many antibiotics you ever had or didn’t have in the past.

a

, how do you know it's misinformation? Because others say

something different more frequently? Nobody else out there has the answers or

we wouldn't have so many forums with people desperately looking for them.

We allow open discussion here, even stuff that seems to go against the

grain, because far too much misinformation is accepted as fact already. Lots of places

to go to hear the same old story lines that aren't getting anyone well. And so

few people who ever complain about THAT. You know why? Because it's the popular

or accepted view. Personally, I'm not willing to die early, just to fit in with

the crowd.

If you think something's wrong then say so, and especially if you

can document it, but me personally, I'm tired of hearing about autoimmune

diseases and syndromes as if they're " real " . A well respected

friend recently said it very succinctly, 'the problem is, most

people think that the " syndrome " is the disease. So we're as bad as the

doctors. We treat the " syndrome " instead of its cause.'

penny

julie levitt

<knightshotter@...> wrote:

For the record, I was never vaccinated as a child and I was

never treated by my “hippie” parents with antibiotics. My first

exposure to any of them was at age 16 with pcn. Saw people talking about long

history of antibiotics pre set them up….There is a lot of misinformation it

sees lately on this list. Am I the only one questioning it?

[Guest guest]

PAula

If you did pathology for 70 years and brought a doctor on board you

would have helped human health even to the smallest degree- yet she

didn't tie in with anyone- writes books which I would comfortably

say fit better with fiction.Why I say this is cause BACTERIA AINT

THERE WHEN YOU LOOK YET THE NEXT DAY YOUR GROWING COLONIES.I found

early in microbiology if anyone sent me a swab to actually try and

find bacteria on the swab often failed yet they still grew the next

day- This is why I get a head of steam up ...cause at this point I

could say mycoplasma- but the same applies in TB you see the damage

you know the bugs ther but you may have the mycoplasma form and need

to allow the bacillus to show up.

Again a I can't support someone that hasn't given me an ounce of

help with my disease.

> > >

> > > > investigation.It's also hard to be invisable and cause

mayhem

> if

> > > > your the size of a semi-trailer.Bb are 10,000 times larger

than

> > > > normal bacteria and then they are a 100,000 times larger than

> > > > rickettsia and some of the speices that fall between viruses

> and

> > > > bacteria.

> > >

> > > I thought you didn't believe in micoplasm either! Anyway, I

> don't

> > > think the variant forms of Bb are as big as the spirochetes.

> > >

> > > - Kate

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

a

That possably explains why you are a bit luckier than most and get

away with a bit of zithro.I hope you don't believe the spiel from

the hefty one as far as low dose and tricky dicky therapies that get

the herx started stuff goes.

>

> ,

>

> Thanks for posting this. I posted that same concept - almost no

antibiotics

> with anyone in my immediate family, certainly not my kids, yet we

all are

> infected with borrelia with varying symptoms. (I was the hippie

parent)

>

>

>

> a

>

>

>

>

>

> For the record, I was never vaccinated as a child and I was never

treated by

> my " hippie " parents with antibiotics. My first exposure to any of

them was

> at age 16 with pcn. Saw people talking about long history of

antibiotics pre

> set them up..There is a lot of misinformation it sees lately on

this list.

> Am I the only one questioning it?

>

> _____

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Kate

I no speak english .

Cheers

>

> > Kate

> > The mycoplasma dudes have yet to convince me

>

> Sorry to make you write out a whole paragraph, Tony. I didn't

really

> mean to set you up. Just sort of teasing you, since you were

talking

> about SMALL bacteria. I know what you think of mycoplasma

treatment!

>

> > If your a gambling person would you put 500 or 1000 dollars on

this

> > horse.

>

> If it was the only horse I had evidence of, I might. People

search

> for a visible problem or explanation for illness. Sometimes it's

damn

> hard to find one. Of course, on this list, we have become aware

that

> the medical system sometimes turns a blind eye and doesn't help

us

> find problems that should be visible. As far as I'm concerned,

the

> jury is out. I have no idea whether mycoplasma can be somebody's

main

> problem or not. I do know that my son who tested positive for Bb,

> also tested positive for mycoplasma pneumoniae. So far, that's

all

> that has been found. Maybe you could find something else, but

nobody

> in the medical system here has the inclination to look at all. We

can

> pay a Lyme doc to look for certain other things, which they do

find.

> Maybe if we paid a fuflyngzxbd specialist to find fuflyngzxbd,

they

> would find that too....

>

> - Kate

>

[Guest guest]

yes I agree totally. Show me a so-called AI illness and I show you an

infection.

Thats one thing I think we can all agree on. Infections are rampent and

the cause of 90% of all our suffering.

bleu

On 3 Jun 2006, at 15:18, Penny Houle wrote:

> , how do you know it's misinformation? Because others say

> something different more frequently? Nobody else out there has the

> answers or we wouldn't have so many forums with people desperately

> looking for them.

>  

> We allow open discussion here, even stuff that seems to go against the

> grain, because far too much misinformation is accepted as fact

> already. Lots of places to go to hear the same old story lines that

> aren't getting anyone well. And so few people who ever complain about

> THAT. You know why? Because it's the popular or accepted view.

> Personally, I'm not willing to die early, just to fit in with the

> crowd.

>  

>  If you think something's wrong then say so, and especially if you can

> document it, but me personally, I'm tired of hearing about autoimmune

> diseases and syndromes as if they're " real " .  A well respected friend

> recently said it very succinctly, 'the problem is, most people think

> that the " syndrome " is the disease. So we're as bad as the doctors. We

> treat the " syndrome " instead of its cause.'

>  

> penny

>  

>

>

> julie levitt <knightshotter@...> wrote:

>> For the record, I was never vaccinated as a child and I was never

>> treated by my “hippie†parents with antibiotics. My first exposure to

>> any of them was at age 16 with pcn. Saw people talking about long

>> history of antibiotics pre set them up….There is a lot of

>> misinformation it sees lately on this list. Am I the only one

>> questioning it?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

a

You can have half a dozen sex partners in your life and can become

the holder of very resistant bacteria. I actually know a wonderfull

girl, very church oriented, yet very attractive model and actress

material that dated the interview couch dude and she developed cfs

or fatigue ilness.What my point was that in the survey they did get

alot of people from possably 1989 to 2000 when I spoke to them that

ticked antibiotic use in the survey. and I was just expressing my

concerns about the way the drugs are misused and if it's at all

possable to even really treat anything succesfully outseide tru

strep throat with a 10 day course-even strep throat ain't a success

when my cousin does the whole 20 pills- he alway's goes for several

shots each time his ilness flares.

Also the FDA STATES CLEARLY NOT TO TREAT EAR INFECTIONS WITH

ANTIBIOTICS- obviously due to high failure rates and pathetic

treatment attempts.

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> For the record, I was never vaccinated as a child and I was never

treated by

> my " hippie " parents with antibiotics. My first exposure to any of

them was

> at age 16 with pcn. Saw people talking about long history of

antibiotics pre

> set them up..There is a lot of misinformation it sees lately on

this list.

> Am I the only one questioning it?

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[Guest guest]

Ah, that sounds like a cute disease....;-)dumbaussie2000 <dumbaussie2000@...> wrote: <KateDunlay@...> wrote:> Maybe if we paid a fuflyngzxbd specialist to find fuflyngzxbd, they > would find that too....> > - Kate>

[Guest guest]

Ah, man, Tony. I have been missing out all

my life. <grin> I used to work for a church and my family gave me a

poster of the Saturday Night Live church lady to put on my wall at church. I

think some tick had been feasting on a very promiscuous deer just before

getting to me.

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You can have half a dozen sex partners in your life and can become

the holder of very resistant bacteria. I actually know a wonderfull

girl, very church oriented, yet very attractive model and actress

material that dated the interview couch dude and she developed cfs

or fatigue ilness.

[Guest guest]

Tony, this cracked me up. I don’t

know what I believe anymore. I got kicked out of the “tricky dicky”

group because I try to think. That left me at the end of my rope – no more

ropes to hold onto. I started taking Recuperation – what a joke –

and lo and behold it seems to be working. Go figure.

Any thoughts? My best guess is that sodium

citrate is good for me.

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That possably explains why you are a bit luckier than most and get

away with a bit of zithro.I hope you don't believe the spiel from

the hefty one as far as low dose and tricky dicky therapies that get

the herx started stuff goes.