Guest guest Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 Metal toxicity is not a question of how much you accumulate. Generally we should be able to cope with the amounts normally found in our environment. How we metabolise metals is down to liver enzymes and gut flora .. read my site Effects of diet on mercury metabolism and excretion in mice given methylmercury: role of gut flora.Rowland IR, RD, Doherty RA.Mice fed either (1) a pelleted rodent diet, (2) evaporated milk, or (3) a synthetic diet (high protein, low fat) exhibited different rates of whole body mercury elimination and fecal mercury excretion after exposure (per os) to methylmercuric chloride. The percentage of the total mercury body burden present as mercuric mercury was highest (35.3%) in mice fed the synthetic diet (which had the highest rate of mercury elimination) and lowest (6.6%) in the animals having the lowest mercury elimination rate (milk-fed mice). Mice fed the synthetic diet had lower mercury concentrations and had a higher proportion of mercuric mercury in their tissues than the mice from the other dietary groups. Treatment of the mice with antibiotics throughout the experimental period to suppress the gut flora reduced fecal mercury excretion and the dietary differences in whole body retention of mercury. Tissue mercury concentrations and proportion of organic mercury in feces, cecal contents, liver, and kidneys were increased by antibiotic treatment of mice fed the pelleted or synthetic diets. These results are consistent with the theory that demethylation of methylmercury by intestinal microflora is a major factor determining the excretion rate of mercury.PMID: 6524959 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 PAUL With these ilnesses I would take one step back and forget about this crap shoot titled DETOX. If you've got major HYDRATION ISSUES why would you want to be mislead by getting high metal readings and placing focus on those. if you have a huge pain in the shoulder for many years due to inflammation, you'd expect a nasty looking shoulder if they ever went in and replaced it.I know all the folks on the joint replacement forums that have been in pain get some ugly looking joints removed- Also all the folk at cfs experimental are so proud of there amalgam removal yet they are all still sick.I just feel this topic is given too much attention with little, or if anything, negative success in treatment. tony > > > > > Metal toxicity is not a question of how much you accumulate. Generally > we should be able to cope with the amounts normally found in our > environment. > How we metabolise metals is down to liver enzymes and gut flora .. read my > site > > Effects of diet on mercury metabolism and excretion in mice given > methylmercury: role of gut flora. > > Rowland IR, RD, Doherty RA. > > Mice fed either (1) a pelleted rodent diet, (2) evaporated milk, or (3) a > synthetic diet (high protein, low fat) exhibited different rates of whole > body mercury elimination and fecal mercury excretion after exposure (per os) > to methylmercuric chloride. The percentage of the total mercury body burden > present as mercuric mercury was highest (35.3%) in mice fed the synthetic > diet (which had the highest rate of mercury elimination) and lowest (6.6%) > in the animals having the lowest mercury elimination rate (milk- fed mice). > Mice fed the synthetic diet had lower mercury concentrations and had a > higher proportion of mercuric mercury in their tissues than the mice from > the other dietary groups. Treatment of the mice with antibiotics throughout > the experimental period to suppress the gut flora reduced fecal mercury > excretion and the dietary differences in whole body retention of mercury. > Tissue mercury concentrations and proportion of organic mercury in feces, > cecal contents, liver, and kidneys were increased by antibiotic treatment of > mice fed the pelleted or synthetic diets. These results are consistent with > the theory that demethylation of methylmercury by intestinal microflora is a > major factor determining the excretion rate of mercury. > > PMID: 6524959 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > . > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/337 - Release Date: 11/05/2006 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 Tony: This is interesting . Are you saying that people who have hydration issues and/or are chronically hydrated will have skewed high metal readings for example in a hair test……? From: infections [mailto:infections ] On Behalf Of dumbaussie2000 Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 6:23 PM infections Subject: [infections] Re: Metabolising metals PAUL With these ilnesses I would take one step back and forget about this crap shoot titled DETOX. If you've got major HYDRATION ISSUES why would you want to be mislead by getting high metal readings and placing focus on those. if you have a huge pain in the shoulder for many years due to inflammation, you'd expect a nasty looking shoulder if they ever went in and replaced it.I know all the folks on the joint replacement forums that have been in pain get some ugly looking joints removed- Also all the folk at cfs experimental are so proud of there amalgam removal yet they are all still sick.I just feel this topic is given too much attention with little, or if anything, negative success in treatment. tony > > > > > Metal toxicity is not a question of how much you accumulate. Generally > we should be able to cope with the amounts normally found in our > environment. > How we metabolise metals is down to liver enzymes and gut flora .. read my > site > > Effects of diet on mercury metabolism and excretion in mice given > methylmercury: role of gut flora. > > Rowland IR, RD, Doherty RA. > > Mice fed either (1) a pelleted rodent diet, (2) evaporated milk, or (3) a > synthetic diet (high protein, low fat) exhibited different rates of whole > body mercury elimination and fecal mercury excretion after exposure (per os) > to methylmercuric chloride. The percentage of the total mercury body burden > present as mercuric mercury was highest (35.3%) in mice fed the synthetic > diet (which had the highest rate of mercury elimination) and lowest (6.6%) > in the animals having the lowest mercury elimination rate (milk- fed mice). > Mice fed the synthetic diet had lower mercury concentrations and had a > higher proportion of mercuric mercury in their tissues than the mice from > the other dietary groups. Treatment of the mice with antibiotics throughout > the experimental period to suppress the gut flora reduced fecal mercury > excretion and the dietary differences in whole body retention of mercury. > Tissue mercury concentrations and proportion of organic mercury in feces, > cecal contents, liver, and kidneys were increased by antibiotic treatment of > mice fed the pelleted or synthetic diets. These results are consistent with > the theory that demethylation of methylmercury by intestinal microflora is a > major factor determining the excretion rate of mercury. > > PMID: 6524959 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > . > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/337 - Release Date: 11/05/2006 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 Absolutely!!!You can't be short a litre of blood and expect all your facalties to function normally- THis on top of the break down of the cells you have due to defeciencies in the manufacturing process.I don't even know your full counts but I would bet that your red cells are sitting on the low end if not below the line of normal range.Just my guess on some of the stuff you've told us about yourself. Plus the fact that they are so poor in performing due to toxic exposure (your cells are clumping- poorly formed etc.)You also will have this added difficulty in breathing. tony > > > > > > > > > > Metal toxicity is not a question of how > much you accumulate. > Generally > > we should be able to cope with the amounts > normally found in our > > environment. > > How we metabolise metals is down to liver > enzymes and gut > flora .. read my > > site > > > > Effects of diet on mercury metabolism and > excretion in mice given > > methylmercury: role of gut flora. > > > > Rowland IR, RD, Doherty RA. > > > > Mice fed either (1) a pelleted rodent diet, (2) > evaporated milk, > or (3) a > > synthetic diet (high protein, low fat) exhibited > different rates > of whole > > body mercury elimination and fecal mercury > excretion after > exposure (per os) > > to methylmercuric chloride. The percentage of > the total mercury > body burden > > present as mercuric mercury was highest (35.3%) > in mice fed the > synthetic > > diet (which had the highest rate of mercury > elimination) and > lowest (6.6%) > > in the animals having the lowest mercury > elimination rate (milk- > fed mice). > > Mice fed the synthetic diet had lower mercury > concentrations and > had a > > higher proportion of mercuric mercury in their > tissues than the > mice from > > the other dietary groups. Treatment of the mice > with antibiotics > throughout > > the experimental period to suppress the gut > flora reduced fecal > mercury > > excretion and the dietary differences in whole > body retention of > mercury. > > Tissue mercury concentrations and proportion of > organic mercury in > feces, > > cecal contents, liver, and kidneys were > increased by antibiotic > treatment of > > mice fed the pelleted or synthetic diets. These > results are > consistent with > > the theory that demethylation of methylmercury > by intestinal > microflora is a > > major factor determining the excretion rate of > mercury. > > > > PMID: 6524959 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > > . > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/337 - > Release Date: > 11/05/2006 > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 Confirming my rbc are below normal to very very low normal depending on which month they are tested From: infections [mailto:infections ] On Behalf Of dumbaussie2000 Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 11:20 PM infections Subject: [infections] Re: Metabolising metals Absolutely!!!You can't be short a litre of blood and expect all your facalties to function normally- THis on top of the break down of the cells you have due to defeciencies in the manufacturing process.I don't even know your full counts but I would bet that your red cells are sitting on the low end if not below the line of normal range.Just my guess on some of the stuff you've told us about yourself. Plus the fact that they are so poor in performing due to toxic exposure (your cells are clumping- poorly formed etc.)You also will have this added difficulty in breathing. tony > > > > > > > > > > Metal toxicity is not a question of how > much you accumulate. > Generally > > we should be able to cope with the amounts > normally found in our > > environment. > > How we metabolise metals is down to liver > enzymes and gut > flora .. read my > > site > > > > Effects of diet on mercury metabolism and > excretion in mice given > > methylmercury: role of gut flora. > > > > Rowland IR, RD, Doherty RA. > > > > Mice fed either (1) a pelleted rodent diet, (2) > evaporated milk, > or (3) a > > synthetic diet (high protein, low fat) exhibited > different rates > of whole > > body mercury elimination and fecal mercury > excretion after > exposure (per os) > > to methylmercuric chloride. The percentage of > the total mercury > body burden > > present as mercuric mercury was highest (35.3%) > in mice fed the > synthetic > > diet (which had the highest rate of mercury > elimination) and > lowest (6.6%) > > in the animals having the lowest mercury > elimination rate (milk- > fed mice). > > Mice fed the synthetic diet had lower mercury > concentrations and > had a > > higher proportion of mercuric mercury in their > tissues than the > mice from > > the other dietary groups. Treatment of the mice > with antibiotics > throughout > > the experimental period to suppress the gut > flora reduced fecal > mercury > > excretion and the dietary differences in whole > body retention of > mercury. > > Tissue mercury concentrations and proportion of > organic mercury in > feces, > > cecal contents, liver, and kidneys were > increased by antibiotic > treatment of > > mice fed the pelleted or synthetic diets. These > results are > consistent with > > the theory that demethylation of methylmercury > by intestinal > microflora is a > > major factor determining the excretion rate of > mercury. > > > > PMID: 6524959 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > > . > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/337 - > Release Date: > 11/05/2006 > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 Tanks!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Metal toxicity is not a question of how > > much you accumulate. > > Generally > > > we should be able to cope with the amounts > > normally found in our > > > environment. > > > How we metabolise metals is down to liver > > enzymes and gut > > flora .. read my > > > site > > > > > > Effects of diet on mercury metabolism and > > excretion in mice given > > > methylmercury: role of gut flora. > > > > > > Rowland IR, RD, Doherty RA. > > > > > > Mice fed either (1) a pelleted rodent diet, > (2) > > evaporated milk, > > or (3) a > > > synthetic diet (high protein, low fat) > exhibited > > different rates > > of whole > > > body mercury elimination and fecal mercury > > excretion after > > exposure (per os) > > > to methylmercuric chloride. The percentage of > > the total mercury > > body burden > > > present as mercuric mercury was highest > (35.3%) > > in mice fed the > > synthetic > > > diet (which had the highest rate of mercury > > elimination) and > > lowest (6.6%) > > > in the animals having the lowest mercury > > elimination rate (milk- > > fed mice). > > > Mice fed the synthetic diet had lower mercury > > concentrations and > > had a > > > higher proportion of mercuric mercury in their > > tissues than the > > mice from > > > the other dietary groups. Treatment of the > mice > > with antibiotics > > throughout > > > the experimental period to suppress the gut > > flora reduced fecal > > mercury > > > excretion and the dietary differences in whole > > body retention of > > mercury. > > > Tissue mercury concentrations and proportion > of > > organic mercury in > > feces, > > > cecal contents, liver, and kidneys were > > increased by antibiotic > > treatment of > > > mice fed the pelleted or synthetic diets. > These > > results are > > consistent with > > > the theory that demethylation of methylmercury > > by intestinal > > microflora is a > > > major factor determining the excretion rate of > > mercury. > > > > > > PMID: 6524959 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > > > . > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/337 > - > > Release Date: > > 11/05/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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