Re: Fwd: [rheumatic] Marshall Protocol

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Bleu

Flogging a dead horse for nearly 2 years is getting depressing to

read about.The mainstay to the unmentionable and it's growing, newly

discovered strong science, is still STRONGLY BASED AROUND 'HERX'-

something that was discussed pre penicillin or just after it's intro

in the middle of last century. and it's engrained in the treatmnents

as L.A.W. how can someone so positive about science revert to

something so rediculous that shows no health winners on any forums

anywhere on the net is beyond me. I can't see the winners circle

anytime soon for many of the poor horses being flogged over there.

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> > From: " Graham Chiu " <compkarori+rheumatic@...>

> > Date: 28 May 2006 02:47:34 GMT+02:00

> > rheumatic <rheumatic >

> > Subject: rheumatic Marshall Protocol

> >

> > I was recently approached by another patient who has had long

standing

> > sarcoidosis, and who  had been using the Marshall Protocol for

18

> > months without success.  I note others have tried it without

any

> > benefit.

> >

> > To resolve some basic science about this treatment protocol, I

asked a

> > few questions on their user board .. and after 6 posts found

myself

> > banned!!

> >

> > This doesn't bode well when a forum is not open to discussion

about

> > the underlying scientific principles of a treatment protocol.

> >

> > I posted under the nick " GC " and this was my question

> >

> > http://www.marshallprotocol.com/forum39/6362.html

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> > --

> > Dr Graham Chiu

> > http://www.compkarori.com/forum

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Apparently, one encouraging thing seems to have come from the Stockholm conference: http://www.kintera.org/site/pp.asp?c=ewKULjPdE & b=22350 According to attendee, T. Marshall, from the marshallprotocol.com website: "The keynote was delivered by 1997 Nobel Laureate, Prof Rolf Zinkernagel, from the University Hospital of Zurich....he told the delegates that signs that ‘autoimmune’ inflammation was linked to bacteria were becoming unmistakable, and that maybe 30% of diseases could be linked to “intra-cytoplasmic” infection. Further, he emphasized that ‘immuno-pathology’ (what we call herx) was the key to attainable recovery rate." 30% of disease! I'd say that's encouraging news. I'm not sure in what context Zinkemagel

was using the term "immuno-pathology". I certainly hope he's not talking about what "we" call herx, a.k.a. long term, endless herxing. But other than that, this is a small encouragement. penny

[Guest guest]

Im amazed anyone still listens to that man, simply bc his attitude

problem.

Has anyone claimed it has cured them yet?

bleu

On 28 May 2006, at 15:33, dumbaussie2000 wrote:

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> Bleu

> Flogging a dead horse for nearly 2 years is getting depressing to

> read about.The mainstay to the unmentionable and it's growing, newly

> discovered strong science, is still STRONGLY BASED AROUND 'HERX'-

> something that was discussed pre penicillin or just after it's intro

> in the middle of last century. and it's engrained in the treatmnents

> as L.A.W. how can someone so positive about science revert to

> something so rediculous that shows no health winners on any forums

> anywhere on the net is beyond me. I can't see the winners circle

> anytime soon for many of the poor horses being flogged over there.

>

>

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Begin forwarded message:

> >

> > > From: " Graham Chiu " <compkarori+rheumatic@...>

> > > Date: 28 May 2006 02:47:34 GMT+02:00

> > > rheumatic <rheumatic >

> > > Subject: rheumatic Marshall Protocol

> > >

> > >  I was recently approached by another patient who has had long

> standing

> > >  sarcoidosis, and who  had been using the Marshall Protocol for

> 18

> > >  months without success.  I note others have tried it without

> any

> > >  benefit.

> > >

> > >  To resolve some basic science about this treatment protocol, I

> asked a

> > >  few questions on their user board .. and after 6 posts found

> myself

> > >  banned!!

> > >

> > >  This doesn't bode well when a forum is not open to discussion

> about

> > >  the underlying scientific principles of a treatment protocol.

> > >

> > >  I posted under the nick " GC " and this was my question

> > >

> > > http://www.marshallprotocol.com/forum39/6362.html

> > >

> > >

> > >  --

> > >  Dr Graham Chiu

> > > http://www.compkarori.com/forum

> > >  Arthritis Help

> > >

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> > > To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

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Bleu

The herx is the only way to get well- just find me someone with an

autoiimmune ilness that got well from many years of suffering... I

can point you to people that have spent many years suffering needing

to put metal plates alongside there diseased spine to hold them up,

not gotten well.

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> > >

> > >

> > > Begin forwarded message:

> > >

> > > > From: " Graham Chiu " <compkarori+rheumatic@>

> > > > Date: 28 May 2006 02:47:34 GMT+02:00

> > > > rheumatic <rheumatic >

> > > > Subject: rheumatic Marshall Protocol

> > > >

> > > >  I was recently approached by another patient who has had

long

> > standing

> > > >  sarcoidosis, and who  had been using the Marshall

Protocol for

> > 18

> > > >  months without success.  I note others have tried it

without

> > any

> > > >  benefit.

> > > >

> > > >  To resolve some basic science about this treatment

protocol, I

> > asked a

> > > >  few questions on their user board .. and after 6 posts

found

> > myself

> > > >  banned!!

> > > >

> > > >  This doesn't bode well when a forum is not open to

discussion

> > about

> > > >  the underlying scientific principles of a treatment

protocol.

> > > >

> > > >  I posted under the nick " GC " and this was my question

> > > >

> > > > http://www.marshallprotocol.com/forum39/6362.html

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >  --

> > > >  Dr Graham Chiu

> > > > http://www.compkarori.com/forum

> > > >  Arthritis Help

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

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Tony,

Not saying all, but can tell you my herxes have gotten farther apart

as my antibody titers have fallen. They have also correlated with the

aggressiveness of treatment. I can create a helluva herx simply by

taking certain combinations at various dosages of abx (I have learned

what I can safely take! and, fyi all, milk thistle is a valuable tool

here). However, my big herx now is somewhat like my baby herxes 2

years ago. I submit from experience that herxes don't come with every

disease, and, if you never experienced a herx, or more especially

series of herxes over long periods, I can see it being a very

difficult concept to grasp.

ps. When I was a boy, I almost required a foot amputation to

gangrene. I did not have a single herx during one month of hospital

IV therapy at that time. I do not know what the pathogen(s) were, but

by the large size of my foot I figure staph areus.

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> > >

> > > Begin forwarded message:

> > >

> > > > From: " Graham Chiu " <compkarori+rheumatic@>

> > > > Date: 28 May 2006 02:47:34 GMT+02:00

> > > > rheumatic <rheumatic >

> > > > Subject: rheumatic Marshall Protocol

> > > >

> > > >  I was recently approached by another patient who has had

long

> > standing

> > > >  sarcoidosis, and who  had been using the Marshall

Protocol for

> > 18

> > > >  months without success.  I note others have tried it

without

> > any

> > > >  benefit.

> > > >

> > > >  To resolve some basic science about this treatment

protocol, I

> > asked a

> > > >  few questions on their user board .. and after 6 posts

found

> > myself

> > > >  banned!!

> > > >

> > > >  This doesn't bode well when a forum is not open to

discussion

> > about

> > > >  the underlying scientific principles of a treatment

protocol.

> > > >

> > > >  I posted under the nick " GC " and this was my question

> > > >

> > > > http://www.marshallprotocol.com/forum39/6362.html

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >  --

> > > >  Dr Graham Chiu

> > > > http://www.compkarori.com/forum

> > > >  Arthritis Help

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

> > > >

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> > > >

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[Guest guest]

Speckie

I understand what suffering from drug therapy is all about I did

large amounts of that in the beggining of this ilness.The thing that

I learned growing up and actually solving problems was that you

never ever move away from commonsense.My first major herxes where

just landing me in the ER room constantly. and as you know your

dying and they ain't going to do shit for you there. So subsequently

since I'm violently ill and as close to death without dying- you got

nothing to loose by experimenting.So my next episode out in the hot

sun trying to do something constructive and having staphylex

(flucloxacillin) and just doing the three a day thing then the

UGLINESS starts setting in, the big HERX is coming and they are

MONSTERS at this point that are thrashing me to an inch of my life-

well how did I get relief- BY ADDING MORE STAPHYLEX as soon as you

add more abx your monster stops ripping you apart.This same cycle

was being repeated constantly with the herx minocycline thing as

soon as I added minocycline it stopped. Now I wouldn't recommend

anyone take 50 mg's every hour like I did to stop the herxes. But

commonsense prevailed and I realised the monster that I was dealing

with is being UNDERMEDICATED as opposed to having a HERX and

expected- suffering my way back to health.

You really can't discount the OBVIOUS SUPERINFECTION warned about

whenever your doing miniscule drug therapy or the wrong drugs.

There's nothing talked about by doctors in the commonsense

literature that is often provided by the drug companies in there

brochures that accompany the medicines. It's just never looked at,

or diagnosed, or written about.

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> > > >

> > > > Begin forwarded message:

> > > >

> > > > > From: " Graham Chiu " <compkarori+rheumatic@>

> > > > > Date: 28 May 2006 02:47:34 GMT+02:00

> > > > > rheumatic <rheumatic >

> > > > > Subject: rheumatic Marshall Protocol

> > > > >

> > > > >  I was recently approached by another patient who has

had

> long

> > > standing

> > > > >  sarcoidosis, and who  had been using the Marshall

> Protocol for

> > > 18

> > > > >  months without success.  I note others have tried it

> without

> > > any

> > > > >  benefit.

> > > > >

> > > > >  To resolve some basic science about this treatment

> protocol, I

> > > asked a

> > > > >  few questions on their user board .. and after 6 posts

> found

> > > myself

> > > > >  banned!!

> > > > >

> > > > >  This doesn't bode well when a forum is not open to

> discussion

> > > about

> > > > >  the underlying scientific principles of a treatment

> protocol.

> > > > >

> > > > >  I posted under the nick " GC " and this was my question

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.marshallprotocol.com/forum39/6362.html

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >  --

> > > > >  Dr Graham Chiu

> > > > > http://www.compkarori.com/forum

> > > > >  Arthritis Help

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

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[Guest guest]

I went to the MP to read your posts. I didn't sense

and " hostility at all, just stating your understanding

and knowledge of the issue. I suppose he could

perceive this as challenging but hostile, not.

Marie

--- Colourbleu <colourbleu@...> wrote:

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>

> Begin forwarded message:

>

> > From: " Graham Chiu "

> <compkarori+rheumatic@...>

> > Date: 28 May 2006 02:47:34 GMT+02:00

> > rheumatic <rheumatic >

> > Subject: rheumatic Marshall Protocol

> >

> > I was recently approached by another patient who

> has had long standing

> > sarcoidosis, and who had been using the

> Marshall Protocol for 18

> > months without success. I note others have

> tried it without any

> > benefit.

> >

> > To resolve some basic science about this

> treatment protocol, I asked a

> > few questions on their user board .. and after 6

> posts found myself

> > banned!!

> >

> > This doesn't bode well when a forum is not open

> to discussion about

> > the underlying scientific principles of a

> treatment protocol.

> >

> > I posted under the nick " GC " and this was my

> question

> >

> > http://www.marshallprotocol.com/forum39/6362.html

> >

> >

> > --

> > Dr Graham Chiu

> > http://www.compkarori.com/forum

> > Arthritis Help

> >

> >

> > To unsubscribe, email:

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