Re: Anti virals and high RNA

[Guest guest]

Certain virals can do this put Mycoplasma Fermentans incognitos is especially a likely candidate. There is blocked energy to the Mitochrondia in most of us. The cause can be Borrelia which goes Cell wall deficient and isn't easily seen or identified by most test, especially the phlemorphic and cyst stages. But a very likely culprit would be the Mycoplasma I mentioned above in that it can go int a tiny little DNA bleb that makes it extremely difficult to diagnose. The reason for fatigue in most of us is mitochrondia insufficiency due to the inability to make ATP. There are sometimes enzymes or coenzymes have been destroyed along the CREBS Cycle of gyclocysis and they can't usually identify which enzymes or co-inzymes are missing. Many times it turns out to be other things such as Bit. B-1. Some studies have been done at the Mayo Clinic looking at the Mitochrondia Dysfunction but they are not looking at the causes, Which need to be investigated. Prof. Carol

I have had a specialised blood test done through Biolab in London which has looked at why my energy is blocked (ADP-ATP). It is called the Translactor Study and its findings were that I have high DNA/RNA which Dr says is most likely viral. I checked with him that there wasn't any evidence of bacteria at all and he said it would have shown up on this test somewhere if there was.I know that others with CFS have benefitted from anti-viral therapy and wonder if I might be one of those too but not sure if I will be able to get them here in the UK. Does anybody know?

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam,

I would consider investigating if this apperant viral presence could

also not be a mycoplasma bacteria, since mycoplasma are very much like

viruses, in size and nature, given the lack of normal cell wall and

need to excist in the cells of the host, just as viruses.

So the Question to ask is could this test result be indicitive of a Mfi

bacteria infection too?

A test to establish the real nature would be a PCR, all other tests are

just unrealible.

Jeep posted a link a few weeks ago of places that offer PCR for

very reasonable prices in the UK.

bleu

On 26 May 2006, at 12:40, doggy532001 wrote:

> I have had a specialised blood test done through Biolab in London

> which has looked at why my energy is blocked (ADP-ATP).  It is

> called the Translactor Study and its findings were that I have high

> DNA/RNA which Dr says is most likely viral.  I checked with

> him that there wasn't any evidence of bacteria at all and he said it

> would have shown up on this test somewhere if there was.

>

> I know that others with CFS have benefitted from anti-viral therapy

> and wonder if I might be one of those too but not sure if I will be

> able to get them here in the UK.  Does anybody know?

>

> The test used a darkfield microscope and looked at the numbers of

> mitochondria, clumping, membrane structure, and DNA fluorenscene

> binding.  All of these were normal.

>

> The PH at the outer mito membrane was 6.9, again normal.  Calcium at

> the outer membrane was high-normal.

>

> Mito membrane binding of proteins and lipids were normal but

> esterases were high.

>

> Dr checked other substances bound to the mito including -

>

> Glutathione conjugates

> Organic sulphate conjugates

> Peptide Complexes

> Lactic acid and keto acids

> Chorinated pesticides (trace of lindane)

> PCBs

> PBBs

> Dichlorobenzene

> Organophosphates

> Toxic metals

> Others

>

> There were no traces found in any of the above apart from the trace

> of lindane.  The high DNA/RNA was the only abnormality.

>

> Essential minerals for the mt-membranes were low normal for

> potassium and magnesium and low for zinc.

>

> If anybody can help me with what this high DNA/RNA means I would be

> very grateful.

>

> Pam

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> If anybody can help me with what this high DNA/RNA means I would be

> very grateful.

>

> Pam

Is this for a specific DNA and specific RNA, such as the DNA and RNA

coding for the ATP translocase - or is it total DNA and RNA extracts

from your cells that is involved? Sounds like the latter?

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam, Someone else will have to answer your questions about DNA/RNA, but I'd just like to comment on the doctor's assertion that bacteria would have "shown up" in his tests if you had a bacterial infection. The problem with that is signs of chronic, low grade infection don't usually show up in regular testing. Markers, such as an elevated sed rate or an out of range white blood count which are the typical indicators of a more agressive infection or sepsis, don't usually exist in our cases. Our infections, on the other hand, manage to fly under the radar for a very long time. I know, as this is exactly what happened with me and has happened to many people I know. I had no overt signs of infection, but biopsies and nasal swabs showed several toxic and resistant strains of bacteria. My energy improved dramatically when I received the right drug

designed for my specific bacterial strains. Unfortunately, these bugs are almost always dismissed because they are "common". However, they're not really common if they're pumping out toxins and are resistant to antibiotics. Unfortunately, the labs don't bother to test that far to see if they are pathogenic and resistant. They see these bugs and automatically mark the sample "contaminated". So unless your doctor did some very specific testing for bacteria, he very likely would have missed any indication of a low grade bacterial infection. You should really ask exactly how he determined the absence of pathogenic bacteria. I would be surprised if he even ran the tests you need to determine their presence. This, unfortunately, is the battle we're facing. Getting the medical community to acknowledge and take seriously what is right in front

of their noses. penny doggy532001 <doggy532001@...> wrote: I have had a specialised blood test done through Biolab in London which has looked at why my energy is blocked (ADP-ATP). It is called the Translactor Study and its findings were that I have high DNA/RNA which Dr says is most likely viral. I checked with him that there wasn't any evidence of bacteria at all and he said it would have shown up on this test somewhere if there was.I know that others with CFS have benefitted from anti-viral therapy and wonder if I might be one of those too but not sure if I will be able to get them here in the UK. Does anybody know?The test used a darkfield microscope and looked at the numbers of mitochondria,

clumping, membrane structure, and DNA fluorenscene binding. All of these were normal.The PH at the outer mito membrane was 6.9, again normal. Calcium at the outer membrane was high-normal.Mito membrane binding of proteins and lipids were normal but esterases were high.Dr checked other substances bound to the mito including -Glutathione conjugatesOrganic sulphate conjugatesPeptide ComplexesLactic acid and keto acidsChorinated pesticides (trace of lindane)PCBsPBBsDichlorobenzeneOrganophosphatesToxic metalsOthersThere were no traces found in any of the above apart from the trace of lindane. The high DNA/RNA was the only abnormality.Essential minerals for the mt-membranes were low normal for potassium and magnesium and low for zinc.If anybody can help me with what this high DNA/RNA means I would be very

grateful.Pam

[Guest guest]

Bleu, I'd just like to add that I tested negative in all PCR testing so was almost misdiagnosed. Fortunately (or unfortunately) I tested extremely positive in good old basic lab work. The problem is, doctors won't order or consider the basic tests because they & the labs believe the samples are contaminated with "normal flora" dismissing pathogenic bacteria as a result. If I hadn't had bone biopsies done which absolutely substantiated that I had some nasty staphs and streps and other bugs in the bone where NO bacteria are supposed to be, and is taken VERY seriously as a life threatening condition, they probably would never have taken my nasal swab results seriously either. But once the infection was established, they had a very different view of my other tests. Also, I had my blood examined under a dark field and it wasn't all that

extraordinary. A few odd looking cells here and there, but nothing remarkable. And yet it turned out that other tests confirmed I was seriously sick due to a bacterial infection. Also, the mycoplasma form of bacteria, aka, Cell Wall Deficient (CWD) forms, may simply be one phase of the bacterial life cycle. Just because PCR doesn't (or does) pick it up, doesn't mean that you don't also have a virulent, pathogenic bug in a very normal stage, just hiding away in your body somewhere undetected. Coated in bio-film, hiding in your bones, organs, deep tissue, etc. Very difficult to detect, very stealthy, but not all that remarkable as an organism, except in its ability to survive just about any attack. pennyColourbleu <colourbleu@...> wrote: Hi Pam,I would

consider investigating if this apperant viral presence could also not be a mycoplasma bacteria, since mycoplasma are very much like viruses, in size and nature, given the lack of normal cell wall and need to excist in the cells of the host, just as viruses.So the Question to ask is could this test result be indicitive of a Mfi bacteria infection too?A test to establish the real nature would be a PCR, all other tests are just unrealible. Jeep posted a link a few weeks ago of places that offer PCR for very reasonable prices in the UK.bleuOn 26 May 2006, at 12:40, doggy532001 wrote:> I have had a specialised blood test done through Biolab in London> which has looked at why my energy is blocked (ADP-ATP). It is> called the Translactor Study and its findings were that I have high> DNA/RNA which Dr says is most likely viral. I checked with> him that there

wasn't any evidence of bacteria at all and he said it> would have shown up on this test somewhere if there was.>> I know that others with CFS have benefitted from anti-viral therapy> and wonder if I might be one of those too but not sure if I will be> able to get them here in the UK. Does anybody know?>> The test used a darkfield microscope and looked at the numbers of> mitochondria, clumping, membrane structure, and DNA fluorenscene> binding. All of these were normal.>> The PH at the outer mito membrane was 6.9, again normal. Calcium at> the outer membrane was high-normal.>> Mito membrane binding of proteins and lipids were normal but> esterases were high.>> Dr checked other substances bound to the mito including ->> Glutathione conjugates> Organic sulphate conjugates> Peptide Complexes>

Lactic acid and keto acids> Chorinated pesticides (trace of lindane)> PCBs> PBBs> Dichlorobenzene> Organophosphates> Toxic metals> Others>> There were no traces found in any of the above apart from the trace> of lindane. The high DNA/RNA was the only abnormality.>> Essential minerals for the mt-membranes were low normal for> potassium and magnesium and low for zinc.>> If anybody can help me with what this high DNA/RNA means I would be> very grateful.>> Pam>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

>

>

> > If anybody can help me with what this high DNA/RNA means I would

be

> > very grateful.

> >

> > Pam

>

> Is this for a specific DNA and specific RNA, such as the DNA and RNA

> coding for the ATP translocase - or is it total DNA and RNA extracts

> from your cells that is involved? Sounds like the latter?

>

Hi

I am not sure. Biolab say that white blood cells are separated from a

heparinised whole blood sample using a Histopaque density gradient

etc... the gross mt-DNA binding is also assessed using the flurescene

microscope with Nonyl Acridine Orange etc.

10ml of each of the remaining probe-labelled aliquots is transferred

to slides previously coated with gelatine containing 1mg of

Atractyloside. After drying for 10 minutes on a hot plate held at 37o

C the slides are washed in a series of buffered saline solutions of

gradually reducing ionic strength. These lyse the cells and removes

the cell membranes and the cytoplasm. Mito are strongly bound.

....slides are incubated at 37oC in an humidified atmosphere.

Incubation time depending on the specific probe. Some probes are

membrane permeant and enter the mito others are membrane-impermeant

and test parameters directly in the operation of the translactor site.

Each prep is assessed by fluorescence microscopy. Some parameters are

assessed visually through the microscope eyepieces while others are

recorded digitally. The program adds false colours to visualise the

near UV and near IR emissions. A multi-step de-convolution programs

is used to recover date lost in the out of focus depth and surface of

the image. For the very limited sample depth of the mito, de-

convolution procedures give similar definition to con-focal microscopy

without the extra time and expense.

I think it is 15 different probes that are used and include Fluo Gold -

has different flourescene when bound to DNA than RNA. It is used to

look for any inappropriate nucleic acid structure on the mito membrane

and if found to distinguish between DNA and RNA. This can identify

viral insult as causative of TL problems. "

Not sure if any of the above answers your questions.

Many thanks

Pam

[Guest guest]

>

> Certain virals can do this put Mycoplasma Fermentans incognitos is

especially

> a likely candidate. There is blocked energy to the Mitochrondia in

most of

> us. The cause can be Borrelia which goes Cell wall deficient and

isn't easily

> seen or identified by most test, especially the phlemorphic and

cyst stages. But

> a very likely culprit would be the Mycoplasma I mentioned above in

that it

> can go int a tiny little DNA bleb that makes it extremely

difficult to diagnose.

> The reason for fatigue in most of us is mitochrondia insufficiency

due to the

> inability to make ATP. There are sometimes enzymes or coenzymes

have been

> destroyed along the CREBS Cycle of gyclocysis and they can't

usually identify

> which enzymes or co-inzymes are missing. Many times it turns out

to be other

> things such as Bit. B-1. Some studies have been done at the Mayo

Clinic looking at

> the Mitochrondia Dysfunction but they are not looking at the

causes, Which

> need to be investigated. Prof. Carol

>

Hi Prof Carol

This is the reason for this Translactory Study, ie to actually look

to find out what is the cause of the blockage in the ADP-ATP site so

that we can actually get the proper treatment to correct it.

So far 4 different people have posted their results all from the

same Lab and each one of us have come up with a different reason.

However 2 of us were both diagnosed with borrelia by AW in the UK

using his microscope and there was no bacteria connection given with

either of us. I have to admit I am a little sceptical about AW's

results because I know of some who have gone on to Bowen and tested

negative.

Unfortunately Dr who performs the test is away on holiday

until mid June so I cannot ask him why he is so sure it is of viral

origin. (There was a result report in one of the daily papers here

that a doctor in California used antivirals on some of his CFS

patients and 9 out of 12 completely recovered).

Thanks

Pam

[Guest guest]

> Translactory Study, ie to actually look

> to find out what is the cause of the blockage in the ADP-ATP site

Pam, do you know if it is possible to send blood from North America

to this lab?

> I have to admit I am a little sceptical about AW's

> results because I know of some who have gone on to Bowen and tested

> negative.

That's the first I've heard of anyone testing negative at Bowen. If

people really do, that would make me more confident that the test

actually indicates something.

- Kate

[Guest guest]

Yes all agreed, I have no problem with your analysis, just pointing out

the same, in another way.

PCR is not perfect, but its one of the better tools. The others can

cloud the issue very easily.

Especially like with pam's latest. Suggesting virus could be a mistake

if it is a mycoplasma maskerading as a virus (according to that test)..

bleu

On 26 May 2006, at 16:07, Penny Houle wrote:

> Bleu,

>  

> I'd just like to add that I tested negative in all PCR testing so was

> almost misdiagnosed. Fortunately (or unfortunately) I tested extremely

> positive in good old basic lab work. The problem is, doctors won't

> order or consider the basic tests because they & the labs believe the

> samples are contaminated with " normal flora " dismissing pathogenic

> bacteria as a result.

>  

> If I hadn't had bone biopsies done which absolutely substantiated that

> I had some nasty staphs and streps and other bugs in the bone where NO

> bacteria are supposed to be, and is taken VERY seriously as a life

> threatening condition, they probably would never have taken my nasal

> swab results seriously either. But once the infection was established,

> they had a very different view of my other tests.

>  

> Also, I had my blood examined under a dark field and it wasn't all

> that extraordinary. A few odd looking cells here and there, but

> nothing remarkable. And yet it turned out that other tests confirmed I

> was seriously sick due to a bacterial infection.

>  

> Also, the mycoplasma form of bacteria, aka, Cell Wall Deficient (CWD)

> forms, may simply be one phase of the bacterial life cycle. Just

> because PCR doesn't (or does) pick it up, doesn't mean that you don't

> also have a virulent, pathogenic bug in a very normal stage, just

> hiding away in your body somewhere undetected. Coated in bio-film,

> hiding in your bones, organs, deep tissue, etc. Very difficult to

> detect, very stealthy, but not all that remarkable as an organism,

> except in its ability to survive just about any attack.

>  

> penny

>

> Colourbleu <colourbleu@...> wrote:

>> Hi Pam,

>>

>> I would consider investigating if this apperant viral presence could

>> also not be a mycoplasma bacteria, since mycoplasma are very much like

>> viruses, in size and nature, given the lack of normal cell wall and

>> need to excist in the cells of the host, just as viruses.

>>

>> So the Question to ask is could this test result be indicitive of a

>> Mfi

>> bacteria infection too?

>>

>> A test to establish the real nature would be a PCR, all other tests

>> are

>> just unrealible.

>>

>> Jeep posted a link a few weeks ago of places that offer PCR for

>> very reasonable prices in the UK.

>>

>> bleu

>> On 26 May 2006, at 12:40, doggy532001 wrote:

>>

>> > I have had a specialised blood test done through Biolab in London

>> > which has looked at why my energy is blocked (ADP-ATP).  It is

>> > called the Translactor Study and its findings were that I have high

>> > DNA/RNA which Dr says is most likely viral.  I checked with

>> > him that there wasn't any evidence of bacteria at all and he said it

>> > would have shown up on this test somewhere if there was.

>> >

>> > I know that others with CFS have benefitted from anti-viral therapy

>> > and wonder if I might be one of those too but not sure if I will be

>> > able to get them here in the UK.  Does anybody know?

>> >

>> > The test used a darkfield microscope and looked at the numbers of

>> > mitochondria, clumping, membrane structure, and DNA fluorenscene

>> > binding.  All of these were normal.

>> >

>> > The PH at the outer mito membrane was 6.9, again normal.  Calcium

>> at

>> > the outer membrane was high-normal.

>> >

>> > Mito membrane binding of proteins and lipids were normal but

>> > esterases were high.

>> >

>> > Dr checked other substances bound to the mito including -

>> >

>> > Glutathione conjugates

>> > Organic sulphate conjugates

>> > Peptide Complexes

>> > Lactic acid and keto acids

>> > Chorinated pesticides (trace of lindane)

>> > PCBs

>> > PBBs

>> > Dichlorobenzene

>> > Organophosphates

>> > Toxic metals

>> > Others

>> >

>> > There were no traces found in any of the above apart from the trace

>> > of lindane.  The high DNA/RNA was the only abnormality.

>> >

>> > Essential minerals for the mt-membranes were low normal for

>> > potassium and magnesium and low for zinc.

>> >

>> > If anybody can help me with what this high DNA/RNA means I would be

>> > very grateful.

>> >

>> > Pam

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Penny, Went to an ID doctor yesterday and she stated that she only does mycoplama test if one is in the hospital with pneumonia. So does one have to get to the point of having bone biopsies to get the right tests done or to validate one does indeed have serious bacterial issues? My antibiotic resist. staph nasal cultures don't seem to worry any doctors thus far. Just wait for an active infection and then we'll treat you is the common answer. Don't be so paranoid is also the common statement. Any suggestions for getting physicians to take it seriously without bone biopsies? ChristiPenny Houle <pennyhoule@...> wrote: Bleu, I'd just like to add that I tested negative in all PCR testing so was almost misdiagnosed. Fortunately (or unfortunately) I tested

extremely positive in good old basic lab work. The problem is, doctors won't order or consider the basic tests because they & the labs believe the samples are contaminated with "normal flora" dismissing pathogenic bacteria as a result. If I hadn't had bone biopsies done which absolutely substantiated that I had some nasty staphs and streps and other bugs in the bone where NO bacteria are supposed to be, and is taken VERY seriously as a life threatening condition, they probably would never have taken my nasal swab results seriously either. But once the infection was established, they had a very different view of my other tests. Also, I had my blood examined under a dark field and it wasn't all that extraordinary. A few odd looking cells here and there, but nothing remarkable. And yet it turned out that other tests confirmed I was seriously sick due to a bacterial

infection. Also, the mycoplasma form of bacteria, aka, Cell Wall Deficient (CWD) forms, may simply be one phase of the bacterial life cycle. Just because PCR doesn't (or does) pick it up, doesn't mean that you don't also have a virulent, pathogenic bug in a very normal stage, just hiding away in your body somewhere undetected. Coated in bio-film, hiding in your bones, organs, deep tissue, etc. Very difficult to detect, very stealthy, but not all that remarkable as an organism, except in its ability to survive just about any attack. pennyColourbleu <colourbleu@...> wrote: Hi Pam,I would consider investigating if this apperant viral presence could also not be a mycoplasma bacteria, since mycoplasma are very much like viruses, in size and nature, given the lack

of normal cell wall and need to excist in the cells of the host, just as viruses.So the Question to ask is could this test result be indicitive of a Mfi bacteria infection too?A test to establish the real nature would be a PCR, all other tests are just unrealible. Jeep posted a link a few weeks ago of places that offer PCR for very reasonable prices in the UK.bleuOn 26 May 2006, at 12:40, doggy532001 wrote:> I have had a specialised blood test done through Biolab in London> which has looked at why my energy is blocked (ADP-ATP). It is> called the Translactor Study and its findings were that I have high> DNA/RNA which Dr says is most likely viral. I checked with> him that there wasn't any evidence of bacteria at all and he said it> would have shown up on this test somewhere if there was.>> I know that others with CFS have benefitted from

anti-viral therapy> and wonder if I might be one of those too but not sure if I will be> able to get them here in the UK. Does anybody know?>> The test used a darkfield microscope and looked at the numbers of> mitochondria, clumping, membrane structure, and DNA fluorenscene> binding. All of these were normal.>> The PH at the outer mito membrane was 6.9, again normal. Calcium at> the outer membrane was high-normal.>> Mito membrane binding of proteins and lipids were normal but> esterases were high.>> Dr checked other substances bound to the mito including ->> Glutathione conjugates> Organic sulphate conjugates> Peptide Complexes> Lactic acid and keto acids> Chorinated pesticides (trace of lindane)> PCBs> PBBs> Dichlorobenzene> Organophosphates> Toxic metals>

Others>> There were no traces found in any of the above apart from the trace> of lindane. The high DNA/RNA was the only abnormality.>> Essential minerals for the mt-membranes were low normal for> potassium and magnesium and low for zinc.>> If anybody can help me with what this high DNA/RNA means I would be> very grateful.>> Pam>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

I agree. It's very difficult. There are doctors who take these tests seriously, but they are far and few between. Usually to get help, you have to be able to prove that you've got some kind of problem, such as chronically infected sinuses and an ENT who will actually culture them. It took me years to find such an ENT. Most don't want to bother with cultures, and no nothing about the organisms that are infecting their patients. pennyChristi Howarth <salzberglver3@...> wrote: Hi Penny, Went to an ID doctor yesterday and she stated that she only does mycoplama test if one is in the hospital with pneumonia. So does one have to get to the point of having bone biopsies to get the right tests done or to validate one does indeed have serious bacterial issues? My antibiotic resist. staph

nasal cultures don't seem to worry any doctors thus far. Just wait for an active infection and then we'll treat you is the common answer. Don't be so paranoid is also the common statement. Any suggestions for getting physicians to take it seriously without bone biopsies? ChristiPenny Houle <pennyhoule@...> wrote: Bleu, I'd just like to add that I tested negative in all PCR testing so was almost misdiagnosed. Fortunately (or unfortunately) I tested extremely positive in good old basic lab work. The problem is, doctors won't order or consider the basic tests because they & the labs believe the samples are contaminated with "normal flora" dismissing pathogenic bacteria as a result. If I hadn't had bone biopsies done which

absolutely substantiated that I had some nasty staphs and streps and other bugs in the bone where NO bacteria are supposed to be, and is taken VERY seriously as a life threatening condition, they probably would never have taken my nasal swab results seriously either. But once the infection was established, they had a very different view of my other tests. Also, I had my blood examined under a dark field and it wasn't all that extraordinary. A few odd looking cells here and there, but nothing remarkable. And yet it turned out that other tests confirmed I was seriously sick due to a bacterial infection. Also, the mycoplasma form of bacteria, aka, Cell Wall Deficient (CWD) forms, may simply be one phase of the bacterial life cycle. Just because PCR doesn't (or does) pick it up, doesn't mean that you don't also have a virulent, pathogenic bug in a very normal stage, just hiding away in your

body somewhere undetected. Coated in bio-film, hiding in your bones, organs, deep tissue, etc. Very difficult to detect, very stealthy, but not all that remarkable as an organism, except in its ability to survive just about any attack. pennyColourbleu <colourbleu@...> wrote: Hi Pam,I would consider investigating if this apperant viral presence could also not be a mycoplasma bacteria, since mycoplasma are very much like viruses, in size and nature, given the lack of normal cell wall and need to excist in the cells of the host, just as viruses.So the Question to ask is could this test result be indicitive of a Mfi bacteria infection too?A test to establish the real nature would be a PCR, all other tests are just unrealible. Jeep posted a link a few

weeks ago of places that offer PCR for very reasonable prices in the UK.bleuOn 26 May 2006, at 12:40, doggy532001 wrote:> I have had a specialised blood test done through Biolab in London> which has looked at why my energy is blocked (ADP-ATP). It is> called the Translactor Study and its findings were that I have high> DNA/RNA which Dr says is most likely viral. I checked with> him that there wasn't any evidence of bacteria at all and he said it> would have shown up on this test somewhere if there was.>> I know that others with CFS have benefitted from anti-viral therapy> and wonder if I might be one of those too but not sure if I will be> able to get them here in the UK. Does anybody know?>> The test used a darkfield microscope and looked at the numbers of> mitochondria, clumping, membrane structure, and DNA fluorenscene>

binding. All of these were normal.>> The PH at the outer mito membrane was 6.9, again normal. Calcium at> the outer membrane was high-normal.>> Mito membrane binding of proteins and lipids were normal but> esterases were high.>> Dr checked other substances bound to the mito including ->> Glutathione conjugates> Organic sulphate conjugates> Peptide Complexes> Lactic acid and keto acids> Chorinated pesticides (trace of lindane)> PCBs> PBBs> Dichlorobenzene> Organophosphates> Toxic metals> Others>> There were no traces found in any of the above apart from the trace> of lindane. The high DNA/RNA was the only abnormality.>> Essential minerals for the mt-membranes were low normal for> potassium and magnesium and low for zinc.>> If anybody can help me with

what this high DNA/RNA means I would be> very grateful.>> Pam>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Christi

Imaginmg done right makes the whole picture look very different,

when you have a culture of a sinus bacteria and have VERY ILL

LOOKING sinuses- your on track.

tony

>

> > I have had a specialised blood test done through Biolab in London

> > which has looked at why my energy is blocked (ADP-ATP). It is

> > called the Translactor Study and its findings were that I have

high

> > DNA/RNA which Dr says is most likely viral. I checked

with

> > him that there wasn't any evidence of bacteria at all and he

said it

> > would have shown up on this test somewhere if there was.

> >

> > I know that others with CFS have benefitted from anti-viral

therapy

> > and wonder if I might be one of those too but not sure if I will

be

> > able to get them here in the UK. Does anybody know?

> >

> > The test used a darkfield microscope and looked at the numbers of

> > mitochondria, clumping, membrane structure, and DNA fluorenscene

> > binding. All of these were normal.

> >

> > The PH at the outer mito membrane was 6.9, again normal.Â

Calcium at

> > the outer membrane was high-normal.

> >

> > Mito membrane binding of proteins and lipids were normal but

> > esterases were high.

> >

> > Dr checked other substances bound to the mito including -

> >

> > Glutathione conjugates

> > Organic sulphate conjugates

> > Peptide Complexes

> > Lactic acid and keto acids

> > Chorinated pesticides (trace of lindane)

> > PCBs

> > PBBs

> > Dichlorobenzene

> > Organophosphates

> > Toxic metals

> > Others

> >

> > There were no traces found in any of the above apart from the

trace

> > of lindane. The high DNA/RNA was the only abnormality.

> >

> > Essential minerals for the mt-membranes were low normal for

> > potassium and magnesium and low for zinc.

> >

> > If anybody can help me with what this high DNA/RNA means I would

be

> > very grateful.

> >

> > Pam

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >