Guest guest Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Also, I'm happy I'm off the Avelox, which the pseudomonas is resistant to. It made me extremely sick after 2 days. All the listed side effects...I was experiencing. Headache, nausea, dizziness, vibrating feeling. And my arms went completely numb while sleeping. Have you any experience with Avelox? I'm surprised I reacted so badly to it. As a matter of fact, I woke up yesterday morning thinking something was seriously wrong with me. Pulsing in my head, body shaking, stiff neck, headache. Either I set off some nasty toxins, or I just don't tolerate that drug well. It's always hard to know whether the listed side effects are due to a drug intolerance, or a release of toxins due to the die-off. But since the pseudomonas is resistant to avelox, it would have to be something else dying. Any ideas on what Avelox kills? penny Jaep <Jaep@...> wrote: Link for the labs doesn't work . This is interesting , as you say Bleu ,beware false negative results.. http://www.mycoplasmasupport.org/Web_pages/Lab/lab_testing.htm -----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of JaepSent: 11 May 2006 19:56To: infections Subject: RE: [infections] Re: biofilms/Private labs? OK Bleu , good posts , a fellow fungi man..Try these Nell This UK lab offers PCR testing for any..Three. Pathogens for £50.0 although you will need a doctors referral Micropathology LimitedUniversity of Warwick Science Park http://www.micropathology.com Barclays Venture CenterSir Lyons RoadCoventry, U.K. CV4 7EZPhone: 44-01-2033-2322 or 02476 323000. Qualified Labs for Mycoplasma Testing By PCR http://www.cfsresearch.org/mycoplasma/labs.htm -----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of ColourbleuSent: 11 May 2006 19:47infections Subject: Re: [infections] Re: biofilms/Private labs?I know that you they do have the facility to do PCR in the paris lab, pasturer institute, Not sure if you can get it private. There is NO WHERE in the UK one can get a PCR as far as I know currently.I highly recommend a lab called parascope in Leeds in the UK. these guys you can chat to on the phone and do private stool analysis, Im not sure what else they do, but are a spin of from leeds hospital I think, but they are really good. in the UK might have some other resources, Im not sure. But in the UK I would also recommend these two labs,One is called individual well-being diagnostic labs, and the other called biolab, both in london.http://www.iwdl.net/home.htmhttp://www.biolab.co.uk/As far as testing for bacteria and fungi go, you know as well as anyone that its a non perfect science. If I knew better when I still had me dosh I would have gone straight to IGENEX and given them a couple of grand happily.As you know, these days I go by gut feeling and wild trial and error. Its not the best solution by far, but its the best I have got.On 11 May 2006, at 20:28, Nelly Pointis wrote: Bleu, >I am not against testing if done right, with a serious and experienced lab, technician, however, these are few and >far between. If you want as much I suggest everyone consider ONLY PRIVATE labs. Have you found such a private lab (I mean one you would consider using for serious testing) in France? In the UK? in Europe? You can backchannel me if you like. I have one very sympathetic Infectious Disease hospital doctor (prof of Infectious diseases) here in Paris, but I have given up on testing, and he seems to have given up on it as well. I know you're in the South but anywhere half decent for testing would be good. You know the Hôpital de la Timone in Marseille does a lot of research on Rickettsiae, Bartonella for eg, but they are very sarcastic of us poor sods with chronic on-going poorly identified infectious processes and will only test the samples they choose to test so that they can publish and publish and publish...about how these pathogens are extremely hard to find, and how they cause persisting illness...that they probably don't believe in as when people say they are sick and get better with abx they just don't believe them and refuse to test them. It's really ironic that when you read their papers, you know they realise that for many of these pathogens, serologies are grossly inadequate, yet that's all they'll do for "patients" and send them away if the serologies are neg. They keep their PCRs for the subjects they use for their publications. Any useful info re testing in France/Europe welcome Nelly (in Paris) Nelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Penny I think the avelox kills people(just joking). There's a huge lawsuit going on at the moment where the people from some african country are suing the drug maker of a similar fluroquinolone for it's side effects in a lot of survivors of a bacterial meningitis breakout.I definately think these quinolones do sometyhing major that makes the enecephalitis rebound like an atomic bomb.So I'd suspect the same may apply to other infectious sites. tony -- In infections , Penny Houle <pennyhoule@...> wrote: > > Also, I'm happy I'm off the Avelox, which the pseudomonas is resistant to. > > It made me extremely sick after 2 days. All the listed side effects...I was experiencing. Headache, nausea, dizziness, vibrating feeling. And my arms went completely numb while sleeping. > > Have you any experience with Avelox? I'm surprised I reacted so badly to it. As a matter of fact, I woke up yesterday morning thinking something was seriously wrong with me. Pulsing in my head, body shaking, stiff neck, headache. Either I set off some nasty toxins, or I just don't tolerate that drug well. It's always hard to know whether the listed side effects are due to a drug intolerance, or a release of toxins due to the die-off. But since the pseudomonas is resistant to avelox, it would have to be something else dying. Any ideas on what Avelox kills? > > penny > > > > Jaep <Jaep@...> wrote: > Link for the labs doesn't work . This is interesting , as you say Bleu ,beware false negative results.. > http://www.mycoplasmasupport.org/Web_pages/Lab/lab_testing.htm > Re: [infections] Re: biofilms/Private labs? > > > I know that you they do have the facility to do PCR in the paris lab, pasturer institute, Not sure if you can get it private. There is NO WHERE in the UK one can get a PCR as far as I know currently. > > I highly recommend a lab called parascope in Leeds in the UK. these guys you can chat to on the phone and do private stool analysis, Im not sure what else they do, but are a spin of from leeds hospital I think, but they are really good. > > in the UK might have some other resources, Im not sure. But in the UK I would also recommend these two labs, > One is called individual well-being diagnostic labs, and the other called biolab, both in london. > > http://www.iwdl.net/home.htm > > http://www.biolab.co.uk/ > > As far as testing for bacteria and fungi go, you know as well as anyone that its a non perfect science. If I knew better when I still had me dosh I would have gone straight to IGENEX and given them a couple of grand happily. > > As you know, these days I go by gut feeling and wild trial and error. Its not the best solution by far, but its the best I have got. > > > > > > On 11 May 2006, at 20:28, Nelly Pointis wrote: > > Bleu, > > >I am not against testing if done right, with a serious and experienced lab, technician, however, these are few and >far between. If you want as much I suggest everyone consider ONLY PRIVATE labs. > > Have you found such a private lab (I mean one you would consider using for serious testing) in France? In the UK? in Europe? > > You can backchannel me if you like. I have one very sympathetic Infectious Disease hospital doctor (prof of Infectious diseases) here in Paris, but I have given up on testing, and he seems to have given up on it as well. I know you're in the South but anywhere half decent for testing would be good. > > You know the Hôpital de la Timone in Marseille does a lot of research on Rickettsiae, Bartonella for eg, but they are very sarcastic of us poor sods with chronic on-going poorly identified infectious processes and will only test the samples they choose to test so that they can publish and publish and publish...about how these pathogens are extremely hard to find, and how they cause persisting illness...that they probably don't believe in as when people say they are sick and get better with abx they just don't believe them and refuse to test them. > > It's really ironic that when you read their papers, you know they realise that for many of these pathogens, serologies are grossly inadequate, yet that's all they'll do for " patients " and send them away if the serologies are neg. They keep their PCRs for the subjects they use for their publications. > > Any useful info re testing in France/Europe welcome > > Nelly (in Paris) > > Nelly > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Yeah, encephalitis is exactly what it was like. I woke up with a headache and pulsing and vibrating and felt like something was seriously wrong with my head and neck. Had visual disturbances too. So glad my doc told me to stop, because I was afraid she'd fire me if I refused to take it. pennydumbaussie2000 <dumbaussie2000@...> wrote: PennyI think the avelox kills people(just joking). There's a huge lawsuit going on at the moment where the people from some african country are suing the drug maker of a similar fluroquinolone for it's side effects in a lot of survivors of a bacterial meningitis breakout.I definately think these quinolones do sometyhing major that makes the enecephalitis rebound like an atomic bomb.So I'd suspect the same may apply to other infectious sites.tony-- In infections , Penny Houle <pennyhoule@...> wrote:>> Also, I'm happy I'm off the Avelox, which the pseudomonas is resistant to.> > It made me extremely sick after 2 days. All the listed side effects...I was experiencing. Headache, nausea, dizziness, vibrating feeling. And my arms went completely numb while sleeping.> > Have you any experience with Avelox? I'm surprised I reacted so badly to it. As a matter of fact, I woke up yesterday morning thinking something was seriously wrong with me. Pulsing in my head, body shaking, stiff neck, headache. Either I set off some nasty toxins, or I just don't tolerate that drug well. It's always hard to know whether the listed side effects are due to a drug intolerance, or a release of toxins due to the die-off. But since the pseudomonas is resistant to avelox, it would have to be something else dying. Any ideas on what Avelox kills?> > penny> > > > Jaep <Jaep@...> wrote:> Link for the labs doesn't work . This is interesting , as you say Bleu ,beware false negative results..> http://www.mycoplasmasupport.org/Web_pages/Lab/lab_testing.htm> Re: [infections] Re: biofilms/Private labs?> > > I know that you they do have the facility to do PCR in the paris lab, pasturer institute, Not sure if you can get it private. There is NO WHERE in the UK one can get a PCR as far as I know currently.> > I highly recommend a lab called parascope in Leeds in the UK. these guys you can chat to on the phone and do private stool analysis, Im not sure what else they do, but are a spin of from leeds hospital I think, but they are really good.> > in the UK might have some other resources, Im not sure. But in the UK I would also recommend these two labs,> One is called individual well-being diagnostic labs, and the other called biolab, both in london.> > http://www.iwdl.net/home.htm> > http://www.biolab.co.uk/> > As far as testing for bacteria and fungi go, you know as well as anyone that its a non perfect science. If I knew better when I still had me dosh I would have gone straight to IGENEX and given them a couple of grand happily.> > As you know, these days I go by gut feeling and wild trial and error. Its not the best solution by far, but its the best I have got.> > > > > > On 11 May 2006, at 20:28, Nelly Pointis wrote:> > Bleu,> > >I am not against testing if done right, with a serious and experienced lab, technician, however, these are few and >far between. If you want as much I suggest everyone consider ONLY PRIVATE labs.> > Have you found such a private lab (I mean one you would consider using for serious testing) in France? In the UK? in Europe?> > You can backchannel me if you like. I have one very sympathetic Infectious Disease hospital doctor (prof of Infectious diseases) here in Paris, but I have given up on testing, and he seems to have given up on it as well. I know you're in the South but anywhere half decent for testing would be good. > > You know the Hôpital de la Timone in Marseille does a lot of research on Rickettsiae, Bartonella for eg, but they are very sarcastic of us poor sods with chronic on-going poorly identified infectious processes and will only test the samples they choose to test so that they can publish and publish and publish...about how these pathogens are extremely hard to find, and how they cause persisting illness...that they probably don't believe in as when people say they are sick and get better with abx they just don't believe them and refuse to test them.> > It's really ironic that when you read their papers, you know they realise that for many of these pathogens, serologies are grossly inadequate, yet that's all they'll do for "patients" and send them away if the serologies are neg. They keep their PCRs for the subjects they use for their publications.> > Any useful info re testing in France/Europe welcome> > Nelly (in Paris)> > Nelly > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 Penny, I was on Avelox but stopped after 6 days. I had trouble walking, muscle weakness and my legs and arms were tingling. I felt like a Ragedy Ann doll, but was fine after I stopped. It was doing anything for me anyway. > > > > Bleu, > > > > >I am not against testing if done right, with a serious and > experienced lab, technician, however, these are few and >far > between. If you want as much I suggest everyone consider ONLY > PRIVATE labs. > > > > Have you found such a private lab (I mean one you would consider > using for serious testing) in France? In the UK? in Europe? > > > > You can backchannel me if you like. I have one very sympathetic > Infectious Disease hospital doctor (prof of Infectious diseases) > here in Paris, but I have given up on testing, and he seems to have > given up on it as well. I know you're in the South but anywhere half > decent for testing would be good. > > > > You know the Hôpital de la Timone in Marseille does a lot of > research on Rickettsiae, Bartonella for eg, but they are very > sarcastic of us poor sods with chronic on-going poorly identified > infectious processes and will only test the samples they choose to > test so that they can publish and publish and publish...about how > these pathogens are extremely hard to find, and how they cause > persisting illness...that they probably don't believe in as when > people say they are sick and get better with abx they just don't > believe them and refuse to test them. > > > > It's really ironic that when you read their papers, you know they > realise that for many of these pathogens, serologies are grossly > inadequate, yet that's all they'll do for " patients " and send them > away if the serologies are neg. They keep their PCRs for the > subjects they use for their publications. > > > > Any useful info re testing in France/Europe welcome > > > > Nelly (in Paris) > > > > Nelly > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 often such a reaction is also highly indicative of a major infection occuring and undetected. I have read many articles on drugs and side effects and you'll find 99% of the regular healthy (mainly college students) that test them don't have a problem with them. tony > > > > > > Bleu, > > > > > > >I am not against testing if done right, with a serious and > > experienced lab, technician, however, these are few and >far > > between. If you want as much I suggest everyone consider ONLY > > PRIVATE labs. > > > > > > Have you found such a private lab (I mean one you would consider > > using for serious testing) in France? In the UK? in Europe? > > > > > > You can backchannel me if you like. I have one very sympathetic > > Infectious Disease hospital doctor (prof of Infectious diseases) > > here in Paris, but I have given up on testing, and he seems to have > > given up on it as well. I know you're in the South but anywhere half > > decent for testing would be good. > > > > > > You know the Hôpital de la Timone in Marseille does a lot of > > research on Rickettsiae, Bartonella for eg, but they are very > > sarcastic of us poor sods with chronic on-going poorly identified > > infectious processes and will only test the samples they choose to > > test so that they can publish and publish and publish...about how > > these pathogens are extremely hard to find, and how they cause > > persisting illness...that they probably don't believe in as when > > people say they are sick and get better with abx they just don't > > believe them and refuse to test them. > > > > > > It's really ironic that when you read their papers, you know they > > realise that for many of these pathogens, serologies are grossly > > inadequate, yet that's all they'll do for " patients " and send them > > away if the serologies are neg. They keep their PCRs for the > > subjects they use for their publications. > > > > > > Any useful info re testing in France/Europe welcome > > > > > > Nelly (in Paris) > > > > > > Nelly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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