Guest guest Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Penny , Oral Amph B is not absorbed & therefore not toxic D. Amphotericin-B is an anti-fungal drug which, like nystatin, is very safe and not absorbed systemically when taken by mouth. (An injectable form of amphotericin-B is quite toxic, however, and its use is restricted to treatment of life-threatening systemic fungal infections.) The oral form of amphotericin-B is very safe and non-toxic. Amphotericin-B is a more potent anti-yeast medicine than nystatin. Oral forms of pure amphotericin-B are presently available at only a few specialized compounding pharmacies in the United States. It has been approved by the FDA for use by mouth and was marketed in the U.S for many years in combination with tetracycline. That product was named Mysteclin-F. To treat yeast problems, you do not want the form that is combined with tetracycline. Amphotericin-B in pure form for oral administration is can also be obtained at pharmacies in many other countries (often without a prescription). It is sold in France, on prescription only, under the brand name Fungizone, in 250 mg capsules. In Germany the prescription form is called Ampho-Moronal, as 100 mg tablets. Patients recover more quickly and often remain well without further medication when amphotericin-B is combined with nystatin and Sporanox therapy. The best form of amphotericin-B is a powder inside 250 mg capsules (Fungizone is formulated in this manner). The capsules can be opened and emptied into the mouth four times daily, along with the nystatin, and mixed with the nystatin powder in the mouth. Several US sources of Amphotericin-B and Nystatin powder are listed on our webpage entitled "How to get Amphotericin-B". http://drcranton.com/CFIDS.htm#CFIDS%20Paper Is oral amphotericin B used to treat Aspergillus diseases? Oral amphotericin B may be used to treat intestinal infections and does not have unpleasant side-effects like intravenous amphotericin B simply because it is not absorbed into the blood stream from the gut. Since oral amphotericin B is not absorbed from the gut, it can only be used to treat infections in the gut and not invasive aspergillosis. http://www.aspergillus.man.ac.uk/languages/faq.htm#q5 [infections] Re: asks> > for help> > > > ?KAte> > Pseudonomads is a gram negative that's highly> > resistant and almost> > alway's culturable in the autoimmune groups.I like> > the idea of> > getting into darkfioeld and looking at your blood> > if you wanna go> > the serious route of lyme diagnosis and treatment,> > BUT don't be> > surprised that if your blood is no longer swirming> > you still maybe> > sick to the OPPURTUNISTIC PATHOGENS that bought> > there time to get> > there pound of your flesh.> > > > rest snipped to cut length> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 , Okay, but the manufacturer also claims that the oral kind isn't effective. That's why they discontinued it and stick to the injection or i.v. kind instead. What am I missing? Here's one site on regular amph b that says clearly: Precautions:Amphotericin B can damage your kidneys, so your doctor will check your kidney function before your first treatment and periodically throughout the treatment. Most people have some changes in their kidney function. This returns to normal after treatment is finished or stopped. Side Effects: More Common Side Effects: Changes in kidney function Decreased red blood cell count with increased risk of anemia and tiredness (fatigue) Pain at place of injection Decrease in blood potassium level Nausea Vomiting Cramping Fever Rigors Less Common Side Effects: Kidney damage Vomiting Loss of appetite Heartburn Abdominal pain Diarrhea Rare Side Effects: Increased blood pressure Irregular heart beat Wheezing Inflammation of lung Hearing loss Ringing in ears (tinnitus) Blurred or double vision Numbness in hands and/or feet Seizures Decreased white blood cell count with increased risk of infection Decreased platelet count with increased risk of bleeding Blood in stool http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CDG/content/CDG_Amphotericin_B__Amphotericin_B_cholesteryl__Amphotericin_B_lipid_complex__Sulfate_complex__Liposomal_amphotericin_B.asp And on this site, Fungus Focus, http://www.fungusfocus.com/html/prescription_fungal_drugs.htm it says that ampho b is highly toxic. It says the less toxic oral version (marketed as Fungizone) cannot be absorbed beyond the gi tract and has been discontinued by the manufacturer due to lack of effectiveness and can now only be acquired through compounding pharmacies. Which I guess is what you're recommending? So what you're saying is that the non absorbed amph b IS effective despite the manufacturer's findings to the contrary? I can buy that it's working in some way but if people are getting such relief, then what happens to the systemic fungal theory? It seems perhaps something else is going on other than a simple fungal clearing of the gut? How do you explain a gut-only drug being so effective despite the drug company's opinions refuting that. How can it possibly clear systemic fungal infections? Since I'm new to this I'm curious as to what really may be going on here. penny Jaep <Jaep@...> wrote: Penny , Oral Amph B is not absorbed & therefore not toxic D. Amphotericin-B is an anti-fungal drug which, like nystatin, is very safe and not absorbed systemically when taken by mouth. (An injectable form of amphotericin-B is quite toxic, however, and its use is restricted to treatment of life-threatening systemic fungal infections.) The oral form of amphotericin-B is very safe and non-toxic. Amphotericin-B is a more potent anti-yeast medicine than nystatin. Oral forms of pure amphotericin-B are presently available at only a few specialized compounding pharmacies in the United States. It has been approved by the FDA for use by mouth and was marketed in the U.S for many years in combination with tetracycline. That product was named Mysteclin-F. To treat yeast problems, you do not want the form that is combined with tetracycline. Amphotericin-B in pure form for oral administration is can also be obtained at pharmacies in many other countries (often without a prescription). It is sold in France, on prescription only, under the brand name Fungizone, in 250 mg capsules. In Germany the prescription form is called Ampho-Moronal, as 100 mg tablets. Patients recover more quickly and often remain well without further medication when amphotericin-B is combined with nystatin and Sporanox therapy. The best form of amphotericin-B is a powder inside 250 mg capsules (Fungizone is formulated in this manner). The capsules can be opened and emptied into the mouth four times daily, along with the nystatin, and mixed with the nystatin powder in the mouth. Several US sources of Amphotericin-B and Nystatin powder are listed on our webpage entitled "How to get Amphotericin-B". http://drcranton.com/CFIDS.htm#CFIDS%20Paper Is oral amphotericin B used to treat Aspergillus diseases? Oral amphotericin B may be used to treat intestinal infections and does not have unpleasant side-effects like intravenous amphotericin B simply because it is not absorbed into the blood stream from the gut. Since oral amphotericin B is not absorbed from the gut, it can only be used to treat infections in the gut and not invasive aspergillosis. http://www.aspergillus.man.ac.uk/languages/faq.htm#q5 [infections] Re: asks> > for help> > > > ?KAte> > Pseudonomads is a gram negative that's highly> > resistant and almost> > alway's culturable in the autoimmune groups.I like> > the idea of> > getting into darkfioeld and looking at your blood> > if you wanna go> > the serious route of lyme diagnosis and treatment,> > BUT don't be> > surprised that if your blood is no longer swirming> > you still maybe> > sick to the OPPURTUNISTIC PATHOGENS that bought> > there time to get> > there pound of your flesh.> > > > rest snipped to cut length> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Penny , the medical profession do not recognise yeast infections , do not recognise gut dysbiosis ..How the hell can they claim its not effective when they do not recognise the main use for it ..Trust in Cranton ..Your logic is bizarre..your missing everything ..sorry ,thats the way it is ... [infections] Re: asks> > for help> > > > ?KAte> > Pseudonomads is a gram negative that's highly> > resistant and almost> > alway's culturable in the autoimmune groups.I like> > the idea of> > getting into darkfioeld and looking at your blood> > if you wanna go> > the serious route of lyme diagnosis and treatment,> > BUT don't be> > surprised that if your blood is no longer swirming> > you still maybe> > sick to the OPPURTUNISTIC PATHOGENS that bought> > there time to get> > there pound of your flesh.> > > > rest snipped to cut length> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 PAul We spent many months discussing how we have disbiosis of the gut, which to me means everything you eat just about ends up in your bloodstream. The nystatin for me was a huge relief from severe brain fog- it was like a miracle so I found it hard to accept the NON SYSTEMIC nature of the drug.I also didn't think that in 1956 when they possably done the studies could they have been sure that nystatin didn't distribute systemically to attack an infection that IMO DISSEMINATED. > > > > > > I just left the docs a few hours ago and they > > > demanded I go in the hospital (I refused) stating > > > I have a lung infection and am allergic to any > > > oral antibiotics etc etc. I am currently on > > > bactroban irrigation and she thinks I may have > > > aspirated this into my lungs. My peak flows are > > > bad, about 100 way worse than red zone. Can I put > > > bactroban in the nebulizer versus this albuterol > > > or on top of? > > > > > > > > > > > > From:infections > > > [mailto:infections ] > > > On Behalf Of julie levitt > > > Sent:Wednesday, May 10, 2006 4:02 PM > > > To:jkemail2004-opps@; > > > infections > > > Subject:RE: [infections] MSRA > > > positive, opportunitistic pathogens, > > > > > > > > > I am MSRA positive consistently in every culture > > > taken for past 4 years including c-sec incision, > > > numerous central lines and other incisions for > > > example to repair a pneumothorax and in nasal, > > > eye, and respiratory cultures. I am resistant to > > > most every antibiotic now. At this moment, I am > > > now starting my 7 > > > > > > th > > > week on Bactrobahn nasal irrigation to clear some > > > of this. > > > > > > At my last hospitalization due to gram negative > > > staph and other infection of my inborne catheter > > > removed during my hospital stay, I was given > > > vancomycin for 5 days. I still test gram negative > > > and doctors simply don't care. I will spike a > > > fever of 102-103 every 2 weeks or so, start > > > coughing up putrid color stuff and then fever dies > > > down and I at least on the surface appear to be > > > better. Infectious disease docs seem unconcerned > > > except to label my room when I am hospitalized due > > > to exacerbations of diagnosed multiple sclerosis > > > and so forth. > > > > > > I saw your post and I am allergic to penicillin > > > not to mention my staph cultures demonstrate being > > > resistant to penicillin, methicillin and others. I > > > am also diagnosed with fibromyalgia and an unusual > > > autoimmune disorder known as Behcet's which is > > > believed to have turned into Neuro-Behcet's along > > > with the progressive relapsing form of Multiple > > > Sclerosis. I believe this all stems from viral and > > > inflammatory problems which began in my childhood. > > > > > > I assume I acquired the MRSA during my c-section > > > in 2001 but I do not known exactly. It was not > > > mentioned until that time. > > > > > > > > > From:infections > > > [mailto:infections ] > > > On Behalf Of dumbaussie2000 > > > Sent:Wednesday, May 10, 2006 2:45 AM > > > To:infections > > > Subject:[infections] Re: asks > > > for help > > > > > > ?KAte > > > Pseudonomads is a gram negative that's highly > > > resistant and almost > > > alway's culturable in the autoimmune groups.I like > > > the idea of > > > getting into darkfioeld and looking at your blood > > > if you wanna go > > > the serious route of lyme diagnosis and treatment, > > > BUT don't be > > > surprised that if your blood is no longer swirming > > > you still maybe > > > sick to the OPPURTUNISTIC PATHOGENS that bought > > > there time to get > > > there pound of your flesh. > > > > > > rest snipped to cut length > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 PAul I think what Penny is trying to say is that she is keen to use it correctly to get the best bang for the buck.I also have had a few courses of fungilin a lozenge version of amph B and found it useless. I found the nystatin (all day suckers) kept all my symptoms in remission.So I would definately want to do the serious therapy yet I would love to see the molds or fungus going down before sitting thru such a tough discipline- remember I also think more along the lines of chaemo to get us well rather than herbal teas because I know in many cases the underlying problems when dug out are massive so I am all for doing this multi fungal approach. tony > > > > > > I just left the docs a few hours ago and they > > > demanded I go in the hospital (I refused) stating > > > I have a lung infection and am allergic to any > > > oral antibiotics etc etc. I am currently on > > > bactroban irrigation and she thinks I may have > > > aspirated this into my lungs. My peak flows are > > > bad, about 100 way worse than red zone. Can I put > > > bactroban in the nebulizer versus this albuterol > > > or on top of? > > > > > > > > > > > > From:infections > > > [mailto:infections ] > > > On Behalf Of julie levitt > > > Sent:Wednesday, May 10, 2006 4:02 PM > > > To:jkemail2004-opps@; > > > infections > > > Subject:RE: [infections] MSRA > > > positive, opportunitistic pathogens, > > > > > > > > > I am MSRA positive consistently in every culture > > > taken for past 4 years including c-sec incision, > > > numerous central lines and other incisions for > > > example to repair a pneumothorax and in nasal, > > > eye, and respiratory cultures. I am resistant to > > > most every antibiotic now. At this moment, I am > > > now starting my 7 > > > > > > th > > > week on Bactrobahn nasal irrigation to clear some > > > of this. > > > > > > At my last hospitalization due to gram negative > > > staph and other infection of my inborne catheter > > > removed during my hospital stay, I was given > > > vancomycin for 5 days. I still test gram negative > > > and doctors simply don't care. I will spike a > > > fever of 102-103 every 2 weeks or so, start > > > coughing up putrid color stuff and then fever dies > > > down and I at least on the surface appear to be > > > better. Infectious disease docs seem unconcerned > > > except to label my room when I am hospitalized due > > > to exacerbations of diagnosed multiple sclerosis > > > and so forth. > > > > > > I saw your post and I am allergic to penicillin > > > not to mention my staph cultures demonstrate being > > > resistant to penicillin, methicillin and others. I > > > am also diagnosed with fibromyalgia and an unusual > > > autoimmune disorder known as Behcet's which is > > > believed to have turned into Neuro-Behcet's along > > > with the progressive relapsing form of Multiple > > > Sclerosis. I believe this all stems from viral and > > > inflammatory problems which began in my childhood. > > > > > > I assume I acquired the MRSA during my c-section > > > in 2001 but I do not known exactly. It was not > > > mentioned until that time. > > > > > > > > > From:infections > > > [mailto:infections ] > > > On Behalf Of dumbaussie2000 > > > Sent:Wednesday, May 10, 2006 2:45 AM > > > To:infections > > > Subject:[infections] Re: asks > > > for help > > > > > > ?KAte > > > Pseudonomads is a gram negative that's highly > > > resistant and almost > > > alway's culturable in the autoimmune groups.I like > > > the idea of > > > getting into darkfioeld and looking at your blood > > > if you wanna go > > > the serious route of lyme diagnosis and treatment, > > > BUT don't be > > > surprised that if your blood is no longer swirming > > > you still maybe > > > sick to the OPPURTUNISTIC PATHOGENS that bought > > > there time to get > > > there pound of your flesh. > > > > > > rest snipped to cut length > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 My logic is bizarre? These are the listed capabilities and side effects by the manufacturer of a drug designed to treat fungal infections. No? I haven't read your website in depth. I don't know who Cranton is. If you want to try to explain what I'm "missing", I"m listening, but you can't just say something and that automatically makes it true. I need some kind of persuasive evidence. My questions are reasonable. penny Jaep <Jaep@...> wrote: Penny , the medical profession do not recognise yeast infections , do not recognise gut dysbiosis ..How the hell can they claim its not effective when they do not recognise the main use for it ..Trust in Cranton ..Your logic is bizarre..your missing everything ..sorry ,thats the way it is ... [infections] Re: asks> > for help> > > > ?KAte> > Pseudonomads is a gram negative that's highly> > resistant and almost> > alway's culturable in the autoimmune groups.I like> > the idea of> > getting into darkfioeld and looking at your blood> > if you wanna go> > the serious route of lyme diagnosis and treatment,> > BUT don't be> > surprised that if your blood is no longer swirming> > you still maybe> > sick to the OPPURTUNISTIC PATHOGENS that bought> > there time to get> > there pound of your flesh.> > > > rest snipped to cut length> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 Tony, so if amph b does get beyond the gut, then that means it can be toxic to the kidneys. Again, I'm not asserting that it's not worth the risk, but it can't be defended as non-toxic because it's non systemic and at the same time say it IS systemic. As you know, Nystatin has never worked for me the way it did for you, unfortunately. Maybe my gut dysbiosis isn't as bad as yours? I am worried about my kidneys after what happened at the hospital last time. penny dumbaussie2000 <dumbaussie2000@...> wrote: PAulWe spent many months discussing how we have disbiosis of the gut, which to me means everything you eat just about ends up in your bloodstream. The nystatin for me was a huge relief from severe brain fog- it was like a miracle so I found it hard to accept the NON SYSTEMIC nature of the drug.I also didn't think that in 1956 when they possably done the studies could they have been sure that nystatin didn't distribute systemically to attack an infection that IMO DISSEMINATED.> > >> > > I just left the docs a few hours ago and they> > > demanded I go in the hospital (I refused) stating> > > I have a lung infection and am allergic to any> > > oral antibiotics etc etc. I am currently on> > > bactroban irrigation and she thinks I may have> > > aspirated this into my lungs. My peak flows are> > > bad, about 100 way worse than red zone. Can I put> > > bactroban in the nebulizer versus this albuterol> > > or on top of?> > >> > >> > >> > > From:infections > > > [mailto:infections ]> > > On Behalf Of julie levitt> > > Sent:Wednesday, May 10, 2006 4:02 PM> > > To:jkemail2004-opps@;> > > infections > > > Subject:RE: [infections] MSRA> > > positive, opportunitistic pathogens,> > >> > >> > > I am MSRA positive consistently in every culture> > > taken for past 4 years including c-sec incision,> > > numerous central lines and other incisions for> > > example to repair a pneumothorax and in nasal,> > > eye, and respiratory cultures. I am resistant to> > > most every antibiotic now. At this moment, I am> > > now starting my 7> > >> > > th> > > week on Bactrobahn nasal irrigation to clear some> > > of this.> > >> > > At my last hospitalization due to gram negative> > > staph and other infection of my inborne catheter> > > removed during my hospital stay, I was given> > > vancomycin for 5 days. I still test gram negative> > > and doctors simply don't care. I will spike a> > > fever of 102-103 every 2 weeks or so, start> > > coughing up putrid color stuff and then fever dies> > > down and I at least on the surface appear to be> > > better. Infectious disease docs seem unconcerned> > > except to label my room when I am hospitalized due> > > to exacerbations of diagnosed multiple sclerosis> > > and so forth.> > >> > > I saw your post and I am allergic to penicillin> > > not to mention my staph cultures demonstrate being> > > resistant to penicillin, methicillin and others. I> > > am also diagnosed with fibromyalgia and an unusual> > > autoimmune disorder known as Behcet's which is> > > believed to have turned into Neuro-Behcet's along> > > with the progressive relapsing form of Multiple> > > Sclerosis. I believe this all stems from viral and> > > inflammatory problems which began in my childhood.> > >> > > I assume I acquired the MRSA during my c-section> > > in 2001 but I do not known exactly. It was not> > > mentioned until that time.> > >> > >> > > From:infections > > > [mailto:infections ]> > > On Behalf Of dumbaussie2000> > > Sent:Wednesday, May 10, 2006 2:45 AM> > > To:infections > > > Subject:[infections] Re: asks> > > for help> > >> > > ?KAte> > > Pseudonomads is a gram negative that's highly> > > resistant and almost> > > alway's culturable in the autoimmune groups.I like> > > the idea of> > > getting into darkfioeld and looking at your blood> > > if you wanna go> > > the serious route of lyme diagnosis and treatment,> > > BUT don't be> > > surprised that if your blood is no longer swirming> > > you still maybe> > > sick to the OPPURTUNISTIC PATHOGENS that bought> > > there time to get> > > there pound of your flesh.> > >> > > rest snipped to cut length> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 Penny I think your 100% right to be concerned about the possible side effects of Amp B, especially of kidney problems associated with potassium loss during amp b. I think all of these drugs can and do cause side effects, and in our circumstances where we are effectively pushing the direction of our own treatments, given our lack of experience and knowledge we need to be extremly careful and watchful for side effects. bleu On 13 May 2006, at 03:13, Penny Houle wrote: > Tony, so if amph b does get beyond the gut, then that means it can be > toxic to the kidneys. Again, I'm not asserting that it's not worth the > risk, but it can't be defended as non-toxic because it's non systemic > and at the same time say it IS systemic. >  > As you know, Nystatin has never worked for me the way it did for you, > unfortunately. Maybe my gut dysbiosis isn't as bad as yours? >  > I am worried about my kidneys after what happened at the hospital last > time. >  > penny > > > dumbaussie2000 <dumbaussie2000@...> wrote: >> PAul >> We spent many months discussing how we have disbiosis of the gut, >> which to me means everything you eat just about ends up in your >> bloodstream. The nystatin for me was a huge relief from severe brain >> fog- it was like a miracle so I found it hard to accept the NON >> SYSTEMIC nature of the drug.I also didn't think that in 1956 when >> they possably done the studies could they have been sure that >> nystatin didn't distribute systemically to attack an infection that >> IMO DISSEMINATED. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >        > > >> >        > > I just left the docs a few hours ago and they >> >        > > demanded I go in the hospital (I refused) stating >> >        > > I have a lung infection and am allergic to any >> >        > > oral antibiotics etc etc. I am currently on >> >        > > bactroban irrigation and she thinks I may have >> >        > > aspirated this into my lungs. My peak flows are >> >        > > bad, about 100 way worse than red zone. Can I put >> >        > > bactroban in the nebulizer versus this albuterol >> >        > > or on top of? >> >        > > >> >        > > >> >        > > >> >        > > From:infections >> >        > > [mailto:infections ] >> >        > > On Behalf Of julie levitt >> >        > > Sent:Wednesday, May 10, 2006 4:02 PM >> >        > > To:jkemail2004-opps@; >> >        > > infections >> >        > > Subject:RE: [infections] MSRA >> >        > > positive, opportunitistic pathogens, >> >        > > >> >        > > >> >        > > I am MSRA positive consistently in every culture >> >        > > taken for past 4 years including c-sec incision, >> >        > > numerous central lines and other incisions for >> >        > > example to repair a pneumothorax and in nasal, >> >        > > eye, and respiratory cultures. I am resistant to >> >        > > most every antibiotic now. At this moment, I am >> >        > > now starting my 7 >> >        > > >> >        > > th >> >        > > week on Bactrobahn nasal irrigation to clear some >> >        > > of this. >> >        > > >> >        > > At my last hospitalization due to gram negative >> >        > > staph and other infection of my inborne catheter >> >        > > removed during my hospital stay, I was given >> >        > > vancomycin for 5 days. I still test gram negative >> >        > > and doctors simply don't care. I will spike a >> >        > > fever of 102-103 every 2 weeks or so, start >> >        > > coughing up putrid color stuff and then fever dies >> >        > > down and I at least on the surface appear to be >> >        > > better. Infectious disease docs seem unconcerned >> >        > > except to label my room when I am hospitalized due >> >        > > to exacerbations of diagnosed multiple sclerosis >> >        > > and so forth. >> >        > > >> >        > > I saw your post and I am allergic to penicillin >> >        > > not to mention my staph cultures demonstrate being >> >        > > resistant to penicillin, methicillin and others. I >> >        > > am also diagnosed with fibromyalgia and an unusual >> >        > > autoimmune disorder known as Behcet's which is >> >        > > believed to have turned into Neuro-Behcet's along >> >        > > with the progressive relapsing form of Multiple >> >        > > Sclerosis. I believe this all stems from viral and >> >        > > inflammatory problems which began in my childhood. >> >        > > >> >        > > I assume I acquired the MRSA during my c-section >> >        > > in 2001 but I do not known exactly. It was not >> >        > > mentioned until that time. >> >        > > >> >        > > >> >        > > From:infections >> >        > > [mailto:infections ] >> >        > > On Behalf Of dumbaussie2000 >> >        > > Sent:Wednesday, May 10, 2006 2:45 AM >> >        > > To:infections >> >        > > Subject:[infections] Re: asks >> >        > > for help >> >        > > >> >        > > ?KAte >> >        > > Pseudonomads is a gram negative that's highly >> >        > > resistant and almost >> >        > > alway's culturable in the autoimmune groups.I like >> >        > > the idea of >> >        > > getting into darkfioeld and looking at your blood >> >        > > if you wanna go >> >        > > the serious route of lyme diagnosis and treatment, >> >        > > BUT don't be >> >        > > surprised that if your blood is no longer swirming >> >        > > you still maybe >> >        > > sick to the OPPURTUNISTIC PATHOGENS that bought >> >        > > there time to get >> >        > > there pound of your flesh. >> >        > > >> >        > > rest snipped to cut length >> >        > > >> >        > > >> >        > > >> >        > > >> >        > > >> >        > > >> >        > > >> >        > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 Penny your missing the point....Amph b is non toxic taken orally .it doesn't get beyond the gut .MEDICAL FACT ...Dr Cranton or the highly prestigious Aspergillus diseases site would not ,could not, print the fact if it were otherwise . The implications of someone taking oral Amph b then experiencing massive side effects after reading the info is tantamount to them surrendering zillions in cash via the courts .. " So what you're saying is that the non absorbed amph b IS effective despite the manufacturer's findings to the contrary?" They [mainstream medicine] do not accept Candida infections as a fact. So the main would be beneficiaries of the drug do not get a chance to try it. Except Dr Cranton & the like who specialise in yeast infections they prescribe it to their patients with great effect ..Not to mention Bleu ,myself and many more self-treaters who also attest to the effectiveness of the drug . "I can buy that it's working in some way but if people are getting such relief, then what happens to the systemic fungal theory? It seems perhaps something else is going on other than a simple fungal clearing of the gut? How do you explain a gut-only drug being so effective despite the drug company's opinions refuting that. How can it possibly clear systemic fungal infections? As I have reputedly stated in the past ,the seat of infection is in the gut , the fact that a non systemic drug has great effect [Nysatin also is non systemic] is a sure-fire indication that all in the gut is not well ..It makes the argument .."simple fungal clearing of the gut" that's nonsense, once the BALANCE is changed ,shifted to favour fungi then your in trouble ,its far from simple to restore what's considered to be normal gut flora ..Read my site .. [infections] Re: asks> > for help> > > > ?KAte> > Pseudonomads is a gram negative that's highly> > resistant and almost> > alway's culturable in the autoimmune groups.I like> > the idea of> > getting into darkfioeld and looking at your blood> > if you wanna go> > the serious route of lyme diagnosis and treatment,> > BUT don't be> > surprised that if your blood is no longer swirming> > you still maybe> > sick to the OPPURTUNISTIC PATHOGENS that bought> > there time to get> > there pound of your flesh.> > > > rest snipped to cut length> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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