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What do you mean it came back " positive " but they don't know what for?

They should know what it's positive for, and treat accordingly with

the proper abx (one the bacteria is sensitive to). If the pain in your

finger doesn't get better soon, you need them to switch antibiotics,

based either on the cultures they already got but failed to tell you

about, or on new cultures.

Infections can be missed. The fact they did a bone biopsy, means they

think there's a good chance of osteomyelitis. Don't let them shrug

their shoulders after one test. If the Clarythrimycin's going to work,

it should work fairly quickly. If it doesn't, they need to react

quickly.

Stay on them.

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It came back positive for an infection --- they just don't know what

type.

They did indeed think that the bone had an infection, and at one

time, I had three doctors in the room with me -- all very

concerned. I am seeing two orthopaedic doctors and one Infection

Specialist.

The Infection Specialist is guessing around 3 to 4 weeks for

Clairthomycin to start working. I have been on it since the

Saturday before Easter.

>

> What do you mean it came back " positive " but they don't know what

for?

>

> They should know what it's positive for, and treat accordingly

with

> the proper abx (one the bacteria is sensitive to). If the pain in

your

> finger doesn't get better soon, you need them to switch

antibiotics,

> based either on the cultures they already got but failed to tell

you

> about, or on new cultures.

>

> Infections can be missed. The fact they did a bone biopsy, means

they

> think there's a good chance of osteomyelitis. Don't let them shrug

> their shoulders after one test. If the Clarythrimycin's going to

work,

> it should work fairly quickly. If it doesn't, they need to react

> quickly.

>

> Stay on them.

>

> penny

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The choice of clarithromycin for a bone infection goes against the

grain of anti infective guidelines.Bone infections are treated with

aggresive drugs vancomycin or gentamicin/kanamycin/tobramycin/ plus

a penicillin/cephalsporin as a dual therapy approach, clarithromycin

is good for someone who gets a sinus infection/lung infection

yesterday and they are treating immediately.It's a soft tissue drug

more than a bone penetrating drug which is also the same problem

faced using cipro/ levafloxacin.

The problem with his clarithromycin approach is that he doesn't rely

on drugs to get the job done he hopes the surgery that will be

offered in the future after this failure will get the job done.

> >

> > What do you mean it came back " positive " but they don't know

what

> for?

> >

> > They should know what it's positive for, and treat accordingly

> with

> > the proper abx (one the bacteria is sensitive to). If the pain

in

> your

> > finger doesn't get better soon, you need them to switch

> antibiotics,

> > based either on the cultures they already got but failed to tell

> you

> > about, or on new cultures.

> >

> > Infections can be missed. The fact they did a bone biopsy, means

> they

> > think there's a good chance of osteomyelitis. Don't let them

shrug

> > their shoulders after one test. If the Clarythrimycin's going to

> work,

> > it should work fairly quickly. If it doesn't, they need to react

> > quickly.

> >

> > Stay on them.

> >

> > penny

> >

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I don't have a bone infection -- it is a tissue infection that they

think is mycobacterium ... something.

Are you implying that he is hoping that he will have to do

surgery?? He told me that surgery is going to be his last resort --

that maybe adding antibiotics or switching meds might come next --

after a few weeks.

>

>

> The choice of clarithromycin for a bone infection goes against the

> grain of anti infective guidelines.Bone infections are treated

with

> aggresive drugs vancomycin or gentamicin/kanamycin/tobramycin/

plus

> a penicillin/cephalsporin as a dual therapy approach,

clarithromycin

> is good for someone who gets a sinus infection/lung infection

> yesterday and they are treating immediately.It's a soft tissue

drug

> more than a bone penetrating drug which is also the same problem

> faced using cipro/ levafloxacin.

> The problem with his clarithromycin approach is that he doesn't

rely

> on drugs to get the job done he hopes the surgery that will be

> offered in the future after this failure will get the job done.

>

>

>

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A tissue infection is possible. Tissue infections can spread to

bone. I'm just surprised he did a bone biopsy at this stage if he

didn't suspect a bone infection. Let's hope it's still just in the

tissue and you start seeing results quickly. If not, he should

switch antibiotics. A few weeks seems odd to me. Infections usually

respond rapidly to the right antibiotic.

Please remember that docs don't like dealing with these kinds of

infections. They're difficult and costly to treat. Don't let him try

to get away with anything less than the best treatment possible.

Do your research, so you understand everything.

penny

> >

> >

> > The choice of clarithromycin for a bone infection goes against

the

> > grain of anti infective guidelines.Bone infections are treated

> with

> > aggresive drugs vancomycin or gentamicin/kanamycin/tobramycin/

> plus

> > a penicillin/cephalsporin as a dual therapy approach,

> clarithromycin

> > is good for someone who gets a sinus infection/lung infection

> > yesterday and they are treating immediately.It's a soft tissue

> drug

> > more than a bone penetrating drug which is also the same problem

> > faced using cipro/ levafloxacin.

> > The problem with his clarithromycin approach is that he doesn't

> rely

> > on drugs to get the job done he hopes the surgery that will be

> > offered in the future after this failure will get the job done.

> >

> >

> >

>

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This makes no sense, " it came back positive for infection, they just

don't know what type " . Then how do they know there's an infection?

Other than observation, and perhaps elevated CRP and SED, the only

other way to identify it is by culturing the sample they took and

seeing how pathogenic (toxic) it is by how abx resistant it is. They

should be able to know what kind of bug it is, unless it's some new

strain they've never seen before. And that's highly unlikely. You'd

be in the medical journals and they should tell you this. Telling

you they can't identify the infection is a big red flag, either

they're not telling you what they know, they're covering something

up, or they're idiots. Doesn't sound like the latter.

It makes no sense that they have not identified the bug and have you

on clarithrimycin. I'd ask them specifically which tests they did to

identify the organism and ask for copies of those tests for your

records. You should always get copies of all lab work. It's your

right. Perhaps they're guessing and haven't actually tested your

orgnisms, although why they took a bone biopsy is beyond me. Perhaps

they messed up the sample and didn't get any results? They need to

be forthcoming with you.

penny

>

> It came back positive for an infection --- they just don't know

what

> type.

>

> They did indeed think that the bone had an infection, and at one

> time, I had three doctors in the room with me -- all very

> concerned. I am seeing two orthopaedic doctors and one Infection

> Specialist.

>

> The Infection Specialist is guessing around 3 to 4 weeks for

> Clairthomycin to start working. I have been on it since the

> Saturday before Easter.

>

>

>

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Maybe I confused you.... the Bone Biopsy was negative for infection,

cancer, or tumors.

The tissue biopsy showed some sort of infection. It has been sent

to Duke University where they said a culture test is being done --

and it sometimes takes three weeks for results.

>

> ,

>

> This makes no sense, " it came back positive for infection, they

just

> don't know what type " . Then how do they know there's an infection?

> Other than observation, and perhaps elevated CRP and SED, the only

> other way to identify it is by culturing the sample they took and

> seeing how pathogenic (toxic) it is by how abx resistant it is.

They

> should be able to know what kind of bug it is, unless it's some

new

> strain they've never seen before. And that's highly unlikely.

You'd

> be in the medical journals and they should tell you this. Telling

> you they can't identify the infection is a big red flag, either

> they're not telling you what they know, they're covering something

> up, or they're idiots. Doesn't sound like the latter.

>

> It makes no sense that they have not identified the bug and have

you

> on clarithrimycin. I'd ask them specifically which tests they did

to

> identify the organism and ask for copies of those tests for your

> records. You should always get copies of all lab work. It's your

> right. Perhaps they're guessing and haven't actually tested your

> orgnisms, although why they took a bone biopsy is beyond me.

Perhaps

> they messed up the sample and didn't get any results? They need to

> be forthcoming with you.

>

> penny

>

>

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The reason they did the bone biopsy was because the bone

appeared " washed out " on the x-rays.

As far as cost, I have excellent health insurance and money is

really no issue here.

>

> A tissue infection is possible. Tissue infections can spread to

> bone. I'm just surprised he did a bone biopsy at this stage if he

> didn't suspect a bone infection. Let's hope it's still just in the

> tissue and you start seeing results quickly. If not, he should

> switch antibiotics. A few weeks seems odd to me. Infections

usually

> respond rapidly to the right antibiotic.

>

>

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I hate to even think it but you could be totally right about the doc

waiting for surgery. I've had ENT after ENT and oral surgeon after

oral surgeon who were not in the least bit interested in trying to

treat or even identify my sinus/jaw organisms. They just want to

cut. That's the reality of surgeons. Treating bone infections is

extremely expensive. Surgery is cheaper. Debridement (removal of

necrotic/infected bone) is probably necessary, if it really is a

bone infection. But you need to have all the information for good

follow up care. What you don't want is a doctor who just says, we

can't identify/treat the bug, so we have to remove the finger. God,

this pisses me off.

Hopefully, the i.d. doc is independent enough to keep the surgeon in

line.

If not, needs to get at least a second opinion before

letting anyone remove that finger.

penny

> >

> > It came back positive for an infection --- they just don't know

> what

> > type.

> >

> > They did indeed think that the bone had an infection, and at one

> > time, I had three doctors in the room with me -- all very

> > concerned. I am seeing two orthopaedic doctors and one

Infection

> > Specialist.

> >

> > The Infection Specialist is guessing around 3 to 4 weeks for

> > Clairthomycin to start working. I have been on it since the

> > Saturday before Easter.

> >

> >

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That's the problem. Your insurance company doesn't like paying for

this kind of treatment. They could care less about you.

It can easily cost $100,000.00 to treat your little infected finger

if they do it right. It's a whole lot easier to cut if off.

Keep yourself on guard.

penny

> >

> > A tissue infection is possible. Tissue infections can spread to

> > bone. I'm just surprised he did a bone biopsy at this stage if

he

> > didn't suspect a bone infection. Let's hope it's still just in

the

> > tissue and you start seeing results quickly. If not, he should

> > switch antibiotics. A few weeks seems odd to me. Infections

> usually

> > respond rapidly to the right antibiotic.

> >

> >

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Okay, that makes a lot more sense. Also, just because the bone

biopsy was negative, doesn't 100% prove it. They can be missed. But

that's good news so far.

penny

> >

> > ,

> >

> > This makes no sense, " it came back positive for infection, they

> just

> > don't know what type " . Then how do they know there's an

infection?

> > Other than observation, and perhaps elevated CRP and SED, the

only

> > other way to identify it is by culturing the sample they took

and

> > seeing how pathogenic (toxic) it is by how abx resistant it is.

> They

> > should be able to know what kind of bug it is, unless it's some

> new

> > strain they've never seen before. And that's highly unlikely.

> You'd

> > be in the medical journals and they should tell you this.

Telling

> > you they can't identify the infection is a big red flag, either

> > they're not telling you what they know, they're covering

something

> > up, or they're idiots. Doesn't sound like the latter.

> >

> > It makes no sense that they have not identified the bug and have

> you

> > on clarithrimycin. I'd ask them specifically which tests they

did

> to

> > identify the organism and ask for copies of those tests for your

> > records. You should always get copies of all lab work. It's your

> > right. Perhaps they're guessing and haven't actually tested your

> > orgnisms, although why they took a bone biopsy is beyond me.

> Perhaps

> > they messed up the sample and didn't get any results? They need

to

> > be forthcoming with you.

> >

> > penny

> >

> >

>

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Seriously, do some pubmed searches on infections and treatment.

Almost every single study you read will talk about the cost factor.

Doctors know that they have to keep costs as low as possible to

appease the insurance companies. This does NOT apply only to HMO's.

Treating infection is difficult and very costly. That's a big reason

why the entire medical community has its head in the sand. It's also

why pharmaceutical companies are continously creating more abx.

Although, recently, there's been a reduction of abx research,

because the drugs can't keep up with the bugs. It costs a lot of

money to create new abx and lately they don't last very long before

the bugs beat em.

Do not blindly trust. You have to educate yourself here. It's vital.

penny

> > >

> > > A tissue infection is possible. Tissue infections can spread

to

> > > bone. I'm just surprised he did a bone biopsy at this stage if

> he

> > > didn't suspect a bone infection. Let's hope it's still just in

> the

> > > tissue and you start seeing results quickly. If not, he should

> > > switch antibiotics. A few weeks seems odd to me. Infections

> > usually

> > > respond rapidly to the right antibiotic.

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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