Re: The organism is very small not large!!

[Guest guest]

The Spirochete is very small not large at all. What kind of Microscope are you looking through? It is very difficult to see if grown out and stained with Acrodean Orange much less on a drop of blood. What is your background? Mine is in Laboratory Education with a heavy concentration in Microbiology. Prof. Carol

a message dated 11/17/05 10:24:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, dumbaussie2000@... writes:

JillThis whole thread is on antibody response and bands? You gotta get your labs to stop bullshitting you guys with these useless tests. The oraganism is the size of a freight train in microbiology.Something that shows up clearly under fresh blood microscopy should NOT BE EXPLORED ANY OTHER WAY, your all involved in a crap shoot with Igenex and the other labs. The live cell microscopy can monitor your bugs there response to certain antimicrobials- juts the bells and whistles anyone needs to get on the right track to healing.Why do all the roads lead knowhere with the lyme preachers.Please change the way your getting diagnosed, this thing is almost visable to the human eye under a magnifing glass.You gotta get away from preaching the literature and get into preaching the healing.The other big thing is everyone that attaches strongly to lyme is just ignoring the 20 other symptoms that are gnawing away at them.

[Guest guest]

Prof. Carol

Nice to meet you again. I just have a normal biological scope. My

problme is that spiro's span 4 red blood cells in size, streps and

staphs are 50 to 100 times smaller than a red blood cell.Borrelia

swimming alongside red blood cells AIN'T SMALL.I am big on

autoimmune disease and infection and believe nothing else, but the

amount of poor science to get someone a positive lyme- remember most

here can't even buy a positive for the love of money.How can anyone

claim a huge victory with this type of pathetic science.

My background is ignore the way you've been taught and just go about

scanning the patient for ACTUAL BUGS.The blood culture is my

favourite if your in my neck of the woods, I wan't to know what

grows from your blood.Otherwise I wan't to scan you looking for

toxin producing organisms.

My many books on microbiology show borrelia species to be parasitic

in size???Didn't they opriginally want to label it a parasite???What

harmfull aspect does the borrelia display in it's armary???.Staphs,

streps dump there toxins ?What do borrelia do to harm there hosts?

Where is the correct drug treatments ???What are you doing? When I

was an absolute dumb ass sick patient I knew my only way forward is

with the CORRECT DRUGS- all I do is test my pathogens for correct

drug protocols???What's wrong with your teams- " we can see it " but

we can place it in a test tube with some amoxacillin to see if it

goes away and doesn't come back.Proffesor please get onto your

researchers and change the pattern of behaviour- people are dyeing

out there.

>

> The Spirochete is very small not large at all. What kind of

Microscope are

> you looking through? It is very difficult to see if grown out and

stained with

> Acrodean Orange much less on a drop of blood. What is your

background? Mine is

> in Laboratory Education with a heavy concentration in

Microbiology. Prof. Carol

>

>

>

>

>

> a message dated 11/17/05 10:24:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> dumbaussie2000@y... writes:

> Jill

> This whole thread is on antibody response and bands? You gotta get

> your labs to stop bullshitting you guys with these useless tests.

> The oraganism is the size of a freight train in

> microbiology.Something that shows up clearly under fresh blood

> microscopy should NOT BE EXPLORED ANY OTHER WAY, your all involved

> in a crap shoot with Igenex and the other labs. The live cell

> microscopy can monitor your bugs there response to certain

> antimicrobials- juts the bells and whistles anyone needs to get on

> the right track to healing.Why do all the roads lead knowhere with

> the lyme preachers.Please change the way your getting diagnosed,

> this thing is almost visable to the human eye under a magnifing

> glass.You gotta get away from preaching the literature and get

into

> preaching the healing.

> The other big thing is everyone that attaches strongly to lyme is

> just ignoring the 20 other symptoms that are gnawing away at them.

>

[Guest guest]

Carol:

I think Tony meant that it's LONG as compared to other bacteria.

But since it doesn't much live in the blood- and I think the Bradford

Method (from my experience with it - is less than desirable) I agree

with you completely.. Since no one IDs (even Bowen) what they see in

the blood - there's LOTS of mistakes.

At least if you have a reference lab (Igenex) or a diagnostic lab

(MDL) do a blot- you can be pretty sure the antibody is the molecular

weight they say it is.

Barb

>

> The Spirochete is very small not large at all. What kind of

Microscope are

> you looking through? It is very difficult to see if grown out and

stained with

> Acrodean Orange much less on a drop of blood. What is your

background? Mine is

> in Laboratory Education with a heavy concentration in Microbiology.

Prof. Carol

>

>

>

>

>

> a message dated 11/17/05 10:24:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> dumbaussie2000@y... writes:

> Jill

> This whole thread is on antibody response and bands? You gotta get

> your labs to stop bullshitting you guys with these useless tests.

> The oraganism is the size of a freight train in

> microbiology.Something that shows up clearly under fresh blood

> microscopy should NOT BE EXPLORED ANY OTHER WAY, your all involved

> in a crap shoot with Igenex and the other labs. The live cell

> microscopy can monitor your bugs there response to certain

> antimicrobials- juts the bells and whistles anyone needs to get on

> the right track to healing.Why do all the roads lead knowhere with

> the lyme preachers.Please change the way your getting diagnosed,

> this thing is almost visable to the human eye under a magnifing

> glass.You gotta get away from preaching the literature and get into

> preaching the healing.

> The other big thing is everyone that attaches strongly to lyme is

> just ignoring the 20 other symptoms that are gnawing away at them.

>

[Guest guest]

Tony, borrelia makes folks sick in much the same way syphilis does--

though I don't want to be too strict about the comparison as

borrelia's genome is far larger and more complex.

It likes collagen matrices. Not to say it won't be found in blood

sometimes but, all the literature indicates it prefers tissue. It

would be better to do a tissue biopsy to look for it.

This is not necessarily an either/or situation. As I said, there are

many different catastrophic events that initiate the cascade toward

chronic infection, borrelia, and tickborne coinfections, are a huge

one here, in endemic areas anyway. But once you've got an immune

system struggling under the weight of that, you surely could get

staph and strep and all kinds of crap taking advantage.

Why do we have to " fight " over it. You're doing good work and you

reach out to help people. It isn't an either-or, dude. Unfortunately

all these bugs can cause trouble.

>

> Prof. Carol

> Nice to meet you again. I just have a normal biological scope. My

> problme is that spiro's span 4 red blood cells in size, streps and

> staphs are 50 to 100 times smaller than a red blood cell.Borrelia

> swimming alongside red blood cells AIN'T SMALL.I am big on

> autoimmune disease and infection and believe nothing else, but the

> amount of poor science to get someone a positive lyme- remember

most

> here can't even buy a positive for the love of money.How can anyone

> claim a huge victory with this type of pathetic science.

> My background is ignore the way you've been taught and just go

about

> scanning the patient for ACTUAL BUGS.The blood culture is my

> favourite if your in my neck of the woods, I wan't to know what

> grows from your blood.Otherwise I wan't to scan you looking for

> toxin producing organisms.

> My many books on microbiology show borrelia species to be parasitic

> in size???Didn't they opriginally want to label it a parasite???

What

> harmfull aspect does the borrelia display in it's armary???.Staphs,

> streps dump there toxins ?What do borrelia do to harm there hosts?

> Where is the correct drug treatments ???What are you doing? When I

> was an absolute dumb ass sick patient I knew my only way forward is

> with the CORRECT DRUGS- all I do is test my pathogens for correct

> drug protocols???What's wrong with your teams- " we can see it " but

> we can place it in a test tube with some amoxacillin to see if it

> goes away and doesn't come back.Proffesor please get onto your

> researchers and change the pattern of behaviour- people are dyeing

> out there.

>

> --- In infections , EJFISCH@a...

wrote:

> >

> > The Spirochete is very small not large at all. What kind of

> Microscope are

> > you looking through? It is very difficult to see if grown out and

> stained with

> > Acrodean Orange much less on a drop of blood. What is your

> background? Mine is

> > in Laboratory Education with a heavy concentration in

> Microbiology. Prof. Carol

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > a message dated 11/17/05 10:24:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > dumbaussie2000@y... writes:

> > Jill

> > This whole thread is on antibody response and bands? You gotta

get

> > your labs to stop bullshitting you guys with these useless tests.

> > The oraganism is the size of a freight train in

> > microbiology.Something that shows up clearly under fresh blood

> > microscopy should NOT BE EXPLORED ANY OTHER WAY, your all

involved

> > in a crap shoot with Igenex and the other labs. The live cell

> > microscopy can monitor your bugs there response to certain

> > antimicrobials- juts the bells and whistles anyone needs to get

on

> > the right track to healing.Why do all the roads lead knowhere

with

> > the lyme preachers.Please change the way your getting diagnosed,

> > this thing is almost visable to the human eye under a magnifing

> > glass.You gotta get away from preaching the literature and get

> into

> > preaching the healing.

> > The other big thing is everyone that attaches strongly to lyme is

> > just ignoring the 20 other symptoms that are gnawing away at them.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

---Hi

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seawater was used in the past to treat it successfully.

Sunny thoughts,

Wallace

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on the raw lesions.

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symptoms for facial eczema. Do not have any apprehension to apply

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slight visual complication that can happen with children having

facial eczema.

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Broncho-pneumonia of the nursling is an affection for which the

Marine Treatment seems fail; but seawater remains an interesting

adjunctive remedy, particularly when the child is dehydrated by

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specific treatment to the Marine Treatment. This cannot be explained

in these pages; but after one year of experience, I cannot remain

silent on the remarkable success rate that the Marine Treatment has

given me. Neither can one deny the fantastic effect that seawater has

with children with broncho-pneumonia. When we see that the children

continue feeding, even with fever, despite the most pessimistic

clinical signs and finally heal without any significant loss of

weight.

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I think that, in the near future, it will be possible to show what

immense services that seawater can provide to patients that are

afflicted with diseases of the nervous system. Today, it would be

premature to talk about definite assertions such as to define the

limits of action that seawater might have in the vast domain of neuro-

pathology. But it is possible to already state a few general facts,

even if somewhat disconnected.

In all meningitis cases, seawater is certainly capable of favorable

action. First of all, seawater upholds the patient's strength, his

appetite, his general state. One assists, by injecting the tubercular

meningitis patients with such unexpected results that, in general,

happen where one would have predicted with certitude a continual and

intense loss of weight. The child succumbs to the nervous

debilitation, among the usual signs, but without losing any weight,

without stopping to feed himself as long as swallowing is possible

[this sentence is convoluted in French and possibly inadequately

rendered in the English language by the translator - sorry]. One can

image what kind of help can be provided for all the non-tubercular

meningitis patients where one can add to a specific or general

infection medication an adjunctive therapeutic agent with such power.

But there is more. The Marine Action is not limited to an eutrophic

effect. Seawater has neurotrophic properties that are quite evident

if one judges by the good effects that are obtained with adults in

cases of neuralgia, neuritis and paralysis, as well as with sciatic

neuralgia (Jarricot), with alcoholic neuritis (Plantiel), with

children of all ages having enuresis [involuntary discharge of urine]

(Plantier, Jarricot), and even with all those stubborn cases on which

all kinds of other treatment had been tried.

In this way, we also see seawater proving itself with favorable

action in cases of infantile paralysis where one can sometimes see a

unilateral action, or at least a predominance that is attested by the

circumferential measurement of the atrophied member and the return of

mobility in those cases where function seems to be compromized

forever. I can cite results of the same kind that were obtained with

familiar amyotrophia, myatonia and chorea. I know of no

contraindication that would prompt one to abstain [from using this

treatment] due to scepticism.

And finally, how can one doubt the efficacy of this seawater action

on the nervous system when one observes with one's own eyes, and in a

relatively short time, the head of a nursling modify itself;

hydrocephalia, for instance, to become more moderate; isocephalia

cede to a shaping of the face; the entire head to stop swelling while

the height continues to augment; or, by contrast, a microcephalia

with a prognostic of death to improve; the brain to develop and, at

the same time, the intelligence to awaken, speech to appear, and the

whole psychic life to blossom?

In infections , " jill1313 "

<jenbooks13@h...> wrote:

>

> Tony, borrelia makes folks sick in much the same way syphilis does--

> though I don't want to be too strict about the comparison as

> borrelia's genome is far larger and more complex.

>

> It likes collagen matrices. Not to say it won't be found in blood

> sometimes but, all the literature indicates it prefers tissue. It

> would be better to do a tissue biopsy to look for it.

>

> This is not necessarily an either/or situation. As I said, there

are

> many different catastrophic events that initiate the cascade toward

> chronic infection, borrelia, and tickborne coinfections, are a huge

> one here, in endemic areas anyway. But once you've got an immune

> system struggling under the weight of that, you surely could get

> staph and strep and all kinds of crap taking advantage.

>

> Why do we have to " fight " over it. You're doing good work and you

> reach out to help people. It isn't an either-or, dude.

Unfortunately

> all these bugs can cause trouble.

>

>

> > >

> > > The Spirochete is very small not large at all. What kind of

> > Microscope are

> > > you looking through? It is very difficult to see if grown out

and

> > stained with

> > > Acrodean Orange much less on a drop of blood. What is your

> > background? Mine is

> > > in Laboratory Education with a heavy concentration in

> > Microbiology. Prof. Carol

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > a message dated 11/17/05 10:24:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > > dumbaussie2000@y... writes:

> > > Jill

> > > This whole thread is on antibody response and bands? You gotta

> get

> > > your labs to stop bullshitting you guys with these useless

tests.

> > > The oraganism is the size of a freight train in

> > > microbiology.Something that shows up clearly under fresh blood

> > > microscopy should NOT BE EXPLORED ANY OTHER WAY, your all

> involved

> > > in a crap shoot with Igenex and the other labs. The live cell

> > > microscopy can monitor your bugs there response to certain

> > > antimicrobials- juts the bells and whistles anyone needs to get

> on

> > > the right track to healing.Why do all the roads lead knowhere

> with

> > > the lyme preachers.Please change the way your getting

diagnosed,

> > > this thing is almost visable to the human eye under a magnifing

> > > glass.You gotta get away from preaching the literature and get

> > into

> > > preaching the healing.

> > > The other big thing is everyone that attaches strongly to lyme

is

> > > just ignoring the 20 other symptoms that are gnawing away at

them.

> > >

> >

>