Re: Not knocking anyone for looking for answers!!

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I'm not knocking anyone for looking for answers or at least I don't mean to. You bet people are dyeing out there. I'm in very poor shape as is my husband three of my children and 3 of my grandchildren. I have been disabled for 12 years from a profession that I dearly loved.

I like you try to fit the pieces of the puzzle together. One scientist may find a piece of the puzzle, another finds a piece and instead of sharing they have a tendency to want to believe they have the whole answer. Unfortunately no one does at this point. and with the government cover up regarding TBI's, it makes it even harder to have decent studies on the subject. I have seen the Spirochete under various circumstances with Matman and JoAnne Whitaker. I am on the board of Bowen and do what I can to help out which is not what I would like to be able to do as I'm very sick myself. It took me 5 years to get one Dx which was Lyme. I got positives from IGenex, BBI and Bowen. Each year we find a different organism in this Tick soup, many of I believe have been biologically attenuated for Germ Warfare and that is one reason we don't get the help we need. No one in the government wants to admit they played with these bugs. Our country as well as Canada, Britain, Japan, China, The former Soviet Union and others are all guilty of this terrible travesty.

Don't take it personal. We all need to come up with theories and test them out.... So many of us finally got a Lyme or TBI dx thanks to our own research not the medical community. I am originally from Michigan and now live in Florida where there is a big struggle to get this disease acknowledged in this state. Hopefully working together, sharing info and fighting the fight together will eventually get us somewhere and yes, all the time, people are dyeing from complications of these diseases.... Prof. Carol

In a message dated 11/18/05 7:22:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, dumbaussie2000@... writes:

Prof. CarolNice to meet you again. I just have a normal biological scope. My problme is that spiro's span 4 red blood cells in size, streps and staphs are 50 to 100 times smaller than a red blood cell.Borrelia swimming alongside red blood cells AIN'T SMALL.I am big on autoimmune disease and infection and believe nothing else, but the amount of poor science to get someone a positive lyme- remember most here can't even buy a positive for the love of money.How can anyone claim a huge victory with this type of pathetic science.My background is ignore the way you've been taught and just go about scanning the patient for ACTUAL BUGS.The blood culture is my favourite if your in my neck of the woods, I wan't to know what grows from your blood.Otherwise I wan't to scan you looking for toxin producing organisms.My many books on microbiology show borrelia species to be parasitic in size???Didn't they opriginally want to label it a parasite???What harmfull aspect does the borrelia display in it's armary???.Staphs, streps dump there toxins ?What do borrelia do to harm there hosts? Where is the correct drug treatments ???What are you doing? When I was an absolute dumb ass sick patient I knew my only way forward is with the CORRECT DRUGS- all I do is test my pathogens for correct drug protocols???What's wrong with your teams- "we can see it" but we can place it in a test tube with some amoxacillin to see if it goes away and doesn't come back.Proffesor please get onto your researchers and change the pattern of behaviour- people are dyeing out there.>> The Spirochete is very small not large at all. What kind of Microscope are > you looking through? It is very difficult to see if grown out and stained with > Acrodean Orange much less on a drop of blood. What is your background? Mine is > in Laboratory Education with a heavy concentration in Microbiology. Prof. Carol> > > > > > a message dated 11/17/05 10:24:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, > dumbaussie2000@y... writes:> Jill> This whole thread is on antibody response and bands? You gotta get > your labs to stop bullshitting you guys with these useless tests. > The oraganism is the size of a freight train in > microbiology.Something that shows up clearly under fresh blood > microscopy should NOT BE EXPLORED ANY OTHER WAY, your all involved > in a crap shoot with Igenex and the other labs. The live cell > microscopy can monitor your bugs there response to certain > antimicrobials- juts the bells and whistles anyone needs to get on > the right track to healing.Why do all the roads lead knowhere with > the lyme preachers.Please change the way your getting diagnosed, > this thing is almost visable to the human eye under a magnifing > glass.You gotta get away from preaching the literature and get into > preaching the healing.> The other big thing is everyone that attaches strongly to lyme is > just ignoring the 20 other symptoms that are gnawing away at them.>

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Proffesor CArol

Send me a hair sample in the mail and lick your stamps and i'll try

and introduce you to staph epidermis 'beta haemolysis'. This toxin

has all the tricks to make pain and fatigue.

I just did 2 samples of lyme patients on this site and they went

down like a lead balloon. I don't know what you have I just study

your bacterial flora. pseudonomads aueriganosa also dominated both

samples.So you have 2 full blown lymies and they both display these

organisms that cover every square inch of there body with the

ability to craete disease.

You see CArol I'm not upset but the way the system works is SCREWED,

your not allowed to be creative, you couldn't for egs. throw your

spirochetes into a test tube and plaster them with disolved

amocxacillin- THIS IS FROWNED UPON IN YOUR PROFFESION?????That's why

I just don't know enough about correct procedure, I'm being shown

some tricks by a vet and many by a great microbiologist, whom I may

add I alway's got to place some nystatin in the sample in a similar

fashion that I would use and she was fine with that.

You know carol there's a lot of facts and also plenty of fiction out

there- it's just depressing that many people just sit back and do

the fiction for a couple of years thinking they are doing positive

things.Personally I tend to stear away from most of this, I would

get back to the core issues, often with these diseases below the

surface everything is a mess ...there's no such thing as

everything's alright- when opened up many are so diseased.

tony

>

> I'm not knocking anyone for looking for answers or at least I

don't mean to.

> You bet people are dyeing out there. I'm in very poor shape as is

my husband

> three of my children and 3 of my grandchildren. I have been

disabled for 12

> years from a profession that I dearly loved.

>

> I like you try to fit the pieces of the puzzle together. One

scientist may

> find a piece of the puzzle, another finds a piece and instead of

sharing they

> have a tendency to want to believe they have the whole answer.

Unfortunately no

> one does at this point. and with the government cover up regarding

TBI's, it

> makes it even harder to have decent studies on the subject. I have

seen the

> Spirochete under various circumstances with Matman and JoAnne

Whitaker. I

> am on the board of Bowen and do what I can to help out which is

not what I

> would like to be able to do as I'm very sick myself. It took me 5

years to get one

> Dx which was Lyme. I got positives from IGenex, BBI and Bowen.

Each year we

> find a different organism in this Tick soup, many of I believe

have been

> biologically attenuated for Germ Warfare and that is one reason we

don't get the

> help we need. No one in the government wants to admit they played

with these

> bugs. Our country as well as Canada, Britain, Japan, China, The

former Soviet

> Union and others are all guilty of this terrible travesty.

>

> Don't take it personal. We all need to come up with theories and

test them

> out.... So many of us finally got a Lyme or TBI dx thanks to our

own research

> not the medical community. I am originally from Michigan and now

live in

> Florida where there is a big struggle to get this disease

acknowledged in this

> state. Hopefully working together, sharing info and fighting the

fight together

> will eventually get us somewhere and yes, all the time, people are

dyeing from

> complications of these diseases.... Prof. Carol

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 11/18/05 7:22:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> dumbaussie2000@y... writes:

> Prof. Carol

> Nice to meet you again. I just have a normal biological scope. My

> problme is that spiro's span 4 red blood cells in size, streps and

> staphs are 50 to 100 times smaller than a red blood cell.Borrelia

> swimming alongside red blood cells AIN'T SMALL.I am big on

> autoimmune disease and infection and believe nothing else, but the

> amount of poor science to get someone a positive lyme- remember

most

> here can't even buy a positive for the love of money.How can

anyone

> claim a huge victory with this type of pathetic science.

> My background is ignore the way you've been taught and just go

about

> scanning the patient for ACTUAL BUGS.The blood culture is my

> favourite if your in my neck of the woods, I wan't to know what

> grows from your blood.Otherwise I wan't to scan you looking for

> toxin producing organisms.

> My many books on microbiology show borrelia species to be

parasitic

> in size???Didn't they opriginally want to label it a parasite???

What

> harmfull aspect does the borrelia display in it's

armary???.Staphs,

> streps dump there toxins ?What do borrelia do to harm there hosts?

> Where is the correct drug treatments ???What are you doing? When I

> was an absolute dumb ass sick patient I knew my only way forward

is

> with the CORRECT DRUGS- all I do is test my pathogens for correct

> drug protocols???What's wrong with your teams- " we can see it " but

> we can place it in a test tube with some amoxacillin to see if it

> goes away and doesn't come back.Proffesor please get onto your

> researchers and change the pattern of behaviour- people are dyeing

> out there.

>

> --- In infections , EJFISCH@a...

wrote:

> >

> > The Spirochete is very small not large at all. What kind of

> Microscope are

> > you looking through? It is very difficult to see if grown out

and

> stained with

> > Acrodean Orange much less on a drop of blood. What is your

> background? Mine is

> > in Laboratory Education with a heavy concentration in

> Microbiology. Prof. Carol

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > a message dated 11/17/05 10:24:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > dumbaussie2000@y... writes:

> > Jill

> > This whole thread is on antibody response and bands? You gotta

get

> > your labs to stop bullshitting you guys with these useless

tests.

> > The oraganism is the size of a freight train in

> > microbiology.Something that shows up clearly under fresh blood

> > microscopy should NOT BE EXPLORED ANY OTHER WAY, your all

involved

> > in a crap shoot with Igenex and the other labs. The live cell

> > microscopy can monitor your bugs there response to certain

> > antimicrobials- juts the bells and whistles anyone needs to get

on

> > the right track to healing.Why do all the roads lead knowhere

with

> > the lyme preachers.Please change the way your getting diagnosed,

> > this thing is almost visable to the human eye under a magnifing

> > glass.You gotta get away from preaching the literature and get

> into

> > preaching the healing.

> > The other big thing is everyone that attaches strongly to lyme

is

> > just ignoring the 20 other symptoms that are gnawing away at

them.

> >

>