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I also think that a valid hypothesis is for dual infections or even

more. There is the complexity of the host MHC, immune system

function, nutritional status that interplay with multiple infective

agents mainifesting as MS, ALS, Lyme, RA, AI, CFIDS/FM,

Alzheimers..... Each pathogenic genome having it's own unique

mechanism for coexisting with the host. When the host immune system

has multiple pathogenic defenses active comtemporaneously, a syndrome

manifests. That's why you can find Candida, EBV, Borellia, Babisisa,

Cpn, Staph, mycoplasma and God knows what else in the same sick host.

And these little bastards are all talking, or sharing plasmids and

other genetic information and tending to their own piece of the real

estate. Good luck trying to prove the Koch hypothesis, it's too

complex of an interaction. As for binary antibiotic therapy, the

approach needs more play and fine tuning from the ID community. I

like the idea of throwing a block on protein synthesis and cell wall

synthesis at the same time or whatever else works. However, when you

take out the bad, you have to put back the good and they do a pretty

good job of defending their terf with their own biochemical warfare.

Unfortunately, I have found it easier to introduce anerobes to my

septic system then it is to find the proper flora for myself.

>

> I just noticed 2 things. One, rifampin and zith were used in this

> study. Isnt rifampin one of the most immunotropic of all abx?

Perhaps

> that is an empty dogma... I dont have time to chase it down just now.

>

> Two, rifampin is inactive against all spirochetes. Insofar as

evidence

> stands today, spiros are as important in MS as Cpn is, and I think

> dual infection could be the rule. With respect to any spirochetal

> contribution to their illnesses, these subjects were on azithromycin

> monotherapy. It would have been preferable to use two drugs active

> against borrelia, if possible.

>

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" I like the idea of throwing a block on protein synthesis and cell wall

synthesis at the same time "

Yes I do too , so I take Zithromax & Terbinafine [Lamisil] it works very

well ..I take 250mg Lamisil for two days then nothing for three days

alongside I take 250 Zith every four days, It's not a predicable outcome so

its guesswork what's happening.... Lamisil works against the fungal cell

wall and zith [they guess] as below ...It's Early days but so far so

very very good ...

TreatmentUpdate 87

Amphotericin B and azithromycin for aspergillosis?

Created on: 1998 May 24

Last Modified on: 1999 August 11

Hosein SR

1998 May

Volume 10 Issue 3

Some people with AIDS develop a fungal infection of the lungs called

aspergillosis. This disease is not easy to treat and only some people

recover when treated with itraconazole. New approaches are clearly needed.

Researchers in Florida have been conducting laboratory experiments with the

fungus that causes aspergillosis and various drugs. They found that exposure

to amphotericin B (AmB) damaged the fungus. When they used a combination of

the antibiotic azithromycin (Zithromax) and AmB then there was even greater

anti-fungal activity.

Apparently azithromycin stops the fungus from building proteins that it

needs to survive. By itself, azithromycin had no antifungal activity. The

next step, according to the researchers, is to test the combination for

safety and effectiveness in animals with aspergillosis.

REFERENCES:

1. Nguyen MH, Clancy CJ, Yu YC and AS. Potentiation of antifungal

activity of amphotericin B by azithromycin against aspergillus species.

European Journal of Clinical Microbiology and Infectious Diseases

1997;16:846-848.

[infections] Dual infections

I also think that a valid hypothesis is for dual infections or even

more. There is the complexity of the host MHC, immune system

function, nutritional status that interplay with multiple infective

agents mainifesting as MS, ALS, Lyme, RA, AI, CFIDS/FM,

Alzheimers..... Each pathogenic genome having it's own unique

mechanism for coexisting with the host. When the host immune system

has multiple pathogenic defenses active comtemporaneously, a syndrome

manifests. That's why you can find Candida, EBV, Borellia, Babisisa,

Cpn, Staph, mycoplasma and God knows what else in the same sick host.

And these little bastards are all talking, or sharing plasmids and

other genetic information and tending to their own piece of the real

estate. Good luck trying to prove the Koch hypothesis, it's too

complex of an interaction. As for binary antibiotic therapy, the

approach needs more play and fine tuning from the ID community. I

like the idea of throwing a block on protein synthesis and cell wall

synthesis at the same time or whatever else works. However, when you

take out the bad, you have to put back the good and they do a pretty

good job of defending their terf with their own biochemical warfare.

Unfortunately, I have found it easier to introduce anerobes to my

septic system then it is to find the proper flora for myself.

>

> I just noticed 2 things. One, rifampin and zith were used in this

> study. Isnt rifampin one of the most immunotropic of all abx?

Perhaps

> that is an empty dogma... I dont have time to chase it down just now.

>

> Two, rifampin is inactive against all spirochetes. Insofar as

evidence

> stands today, spiros are as important in MS as Cpn is, and I think

> dual infection could be the rule. With respect to any spirochetal

> contribution to their illnesses, these subjects were on azithromycin

> monotherapy. It would have been preferable to use two drugs active

> against borrelia, if possible.

>

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