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I planted 1000 trees 2

1/2 years ago in northern Wisconsin on the peninsula. I will dedicate a little grove to Tony. Here’s some of the babies at 5 feet high already! They

are red pines, jack pines and white spruces. In the background is a bench my

dad made for contemplation.

I will plant a pink flowering crab in my

front yard too, come spring.

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I wished I had a yard to plant

one...maybe I can just adopt one . We

live in a condo close to a national park with thousands of trees.

love jerry

So send a picture of you with one of those trees. Or send a picture of

you thinking about a tree.

Harper

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What a beautiful view of your trees and daffodills,

1,000 trees, you have a forest!! , thank you for

sending this gorgeous picture, it encourages me so

much as I know it will Tony.

Love,

Ruth

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> I planted 1000 trees 2 1/2 years ago in northern

> Wisconsin on the

> peninsula. I will dedicate a little grove to Tony.

> Here's some of the

> babies at 5 feet high already! They are red pines,

> jack pines and white

> spruces. In the background is a bench my dad made

> for contemplation.

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> I will plant a pink flowering crab in my front yard

> too, come spring.

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> In a message dated 2/12/03 12:45:45 AM Pacific

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> I wished I had a yard to plant one...maybe I can

> just adopt one . We

> live in a condo close to a national park with

> thousands of trees.

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> love jerry

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> So send a picture of you with one of those trees.

> Or send a picture of

> you thinking about a tree.

> Harper

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Gee thanks! Ruth you have made my day!

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> live in a condo close to a national park with

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> love jerry

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> So send a picture of you with one of those trees.

> Or send a picture of

> you thinking about a tree.

> Harper

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And here's the IV dose- fairly low I'd say.

But this is for IV not oral.

Barb

Efficacy of allicin, the reactive molecule of garlic, in inhibiting

Aspergillus spp. in vitro, and in a murine model of disseminated

aspergillosis

Yona Shadkchan1, Einav Shemesh1, Mirelman2, Talia Miron2,

Aharon Rabinkov2, Meir Wilchek2 and Nir Osherov1,*

1 Sackler School of Medicine, Tel-Aviv University, Tel-Aviv, Israel;

2 Department of Biological Chemistry, Weizmann Institute of Science,

Rehovot, Israel

Received 30 December 2003; returned 24 January 2004; revised 4

February 2004; accepted 8 February 2004

Objectives: The evaluation of allicin, the biologically active

compound responsible for the antimicrobial activities of freshly

crushed garlic cloves, in inhibiting Aspergillus spp. in vitro and in

a murine model of disseminated aspergillosis.

Methods: Pure allicin was prepared by reacting synthetic alliin with

a stabilized preparation of the garlic enzyme alliinase. We tested

the in vitro efficacy of pure allicin against 31 clinical isolates of

Aspergillus spp. using a microdilution broth method and following the

NCCLS guidelines (document M-38P). Subsequently, the in vivo efficacy

of allicin was tested in immunocompetent mice infected intravenously

(iv) with Aspergillus fumigatus conidia. Allicin (5 mg/kg body

weight) was administered iv once daily for 5 days post-infection or

orally (po) (9 mg/kg body weight) for 5 days pre-infection and 10

days post-infection. No ill effects were observed in allicin-treated

uninfected mice.

Results: The in vitro MICs and MFCs of allicin were between 8 and 32

mg/L, indicating that allicin in its pure form may be an effective

fungicide in vitro. Time–kill studies indicate that allicin exerts

its fungicidal activity within 2–12 h of administration in vitro.

Allicin treatment significantly prolonged survival of infected mice

(P < 0.01) from mean survival time (MST) = 7.7 days in untreated mice

to MST = 21.3 and 13.9 days for allicin iv and po treated mice,

respectively. Allicin iv treatment led to a significant (P < 0.001)

10-fold reduction in fungal burden in A. fumigatus infected mice as

evaluated by quantitative fungal cultures of kidney tissue samples.

Conclusions: These favourable results, despite the short half-life of

this compound in vivo, support further studies of controlled

sustained release or more prolonged administration of allicin as a

treatment for aspergillosis.

Keywords: antifungal treatment, susceptibility testing, mouse models

* Correspondence address. Department of Human Microbiology, Sackler

School of Medicine, Tel-Aviv University, Ramat-Aviv 69978, Tel-Aviv,

Israel. Tel: +972-3-640-9599; Fax: +972-3-640

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Yes, Wilchek has done great work on allicin.

They make it there, tho. It's highly unstable. I just don't know how

one could create a stable drug out of that.

Wilchek loves allicin .

I'd like to talk to him sometime.

But I believe allitridi may be more stable. Allicin breaks down into

compounds like ajoene and allitridi in the body.

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Jill

It's articles like this that scare me. I know from many tests that

garlic/garlic capsules and the like don't exhibit antimicrobial

action.I wouldn't tell anyone not to take garlic or it's supplements-

but just don't buy the spiel.Actually a story comes to mind of a

friend of mine(there's a song in that), this dude would attack

everything with garlic he was MR. Garlic.The most incredable thing

occured to my buddy last year he got the biggest infection in the

world- 'meningitis'.I'm just waiting for him to be diagnosed

autoimmune, but he's been lucky no-one gave him abox of antibiotics

to tip him over the edge.So someone that used extensive amounts of

garlic develops the biggest infection in the world???? Also I have a

problem with your use of the word neuro borrelisis. The

microbiologists here in aus call your staph epi producing beta

haemolysis a neurotoxin. So if your nervous system is being buzzed,

as many have, the bacteria with the smoking gun is hard to push

aside.I tend to come around to believeing what I see, as the murder

weapon in autimmmune ilness isn't hiding from anyone.DEHYDRATION,

SCAR TISSUE are at the heart of the recovery process.

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Tony, just curious, but what do you think of the history of syphilis,

especially when it was epidemic?

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I think the history and treatment options chosen still suffer much

stupidity- even today.I know a few examples of syphilis patioents

with late stage that get no drugs. They are absolute wankers to

believe that a few pills that don't fix- are the right treatment

regime. They then offer NOTHING.I comne from the school of 'have a

problem' regardless of what anyone thinks keep working on it- KEEP

IMPROVING IT.I try and get you to put into place this attitude so

that your on track to improvement.Unfortunately holistic rears it's

ugly head in many people's line of thought and you spend a lifetime

beleiving non truths and half truths.

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What I meant was, do you think syphilis was indeed a scourge--a

serious infection that disabled and killed many?

If so, spirochetes can do that, borrelia being one with a far more

complex genome and more tricks up its sleeve.

Which doesn't mean staph can't do it too of course!

And others.

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Jill

The whole of science and medicine is telling you they smell a rat

with the diagnosis of lyme. I smell a rat with the diagnosis of

mycoplasma. Again I place my focus on TOXINS- TOXINS- TOXINS.You

know jill I feel that just the colour of your plasma when spun down

should tell the turkey's in the lab that your a very toxic person.I

know what a good staph epi should look like crawling all over your

body.As a matter of fact I picked up a small colony from someone

suffering ankylising spondylitis.The fact that this dude was a

statue and you could clearly see his disease- made me wan't to learn

more. This guy does not have fatigue he is just stiff as a board and

needed 2 hip replacments to enable movement.This autoimmune dude

DOES NOT HAVE A STAPH EPI PROBLEM his is NON TOXIC in that

department so I move along, NO PSEUDONOMADS SO I MOVE ALONG.This is

the way science works, I come from a problem solving background and

neeed to keep looking along the circuit till I find the break, the

most likely candidate is sometimes more than one problem so if

addressing one isn't cutting it you need more information.So I don't

have a problem with your tick chases but a lot of people are going

to end up with egg all over there face when it comes to the crunch.

I think andy wright was trying to prove without a doubt how everyone

has these spiro's swimming everywhere -I " M STILL WAITING FOR THE

JURY TO COME IN.Tarello came along and did the clean science and

unfortuantely he was dealing with pets which responded beautifully

to therapy and tend to get the type of pathogen that stays true to

the drug of choice that made it harder for the same success with

human strains.

I would also rather tarello treated me than andy wright. I think

samento is still possably his favourite drug, while the other is

trying to remove the parasites off my red cells.

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Barb

Your supporting some poor scientific medicine?I tell you these

studies should be read between the lines..People are actually going

to sit back and believe there antimicrobial of choice allicin is

killing bacteria and fungus. I honestly went the whole hog with

INFECTIONS and teamed my ass up with a senior microbiologist one of

our cities best just so that I can get away from being lead like

this ...My friend(reltive almost) had garlic in his shoes and made

desserts with garlic he had garlic on everything- AND THE GUY

DEVELOPED THE BIGGEST INFECTION IN THE WORLD 'MENINGITIS'..This is

like the blind leading the blind when you throw this up in good

faith.I do believe in some of the literature but when it hasn't got

a clue what's wrong with anyone- you have to learn to respect it the

same way-IT HASN " T GOT A CLUE.

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Just another thing I went into the kitchen and noticed my stale

garlic is growing penicillium.(green fungus)

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Read it again Tony..

I wasn't supporting anything - just reporting the dose

Barb

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Tony, I talked to the mycology pathologist in Adelaide for an hour

yesterday. No doubt that IV allitridi works, and well, in chronic

fungal infections.

It is volatile, you break open the ampule, it degrades within minutes.

It's hard to test these garlic compounds, on your pretty red agar

plates. They degrade very quickly. Not that garlic isn't a healthy

food, but eating garlic won't work.

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jill

Your banking your autoimmune life- and many there childrens and

grandchildrens on strange therapy.I'm sorry but with our disease

unless your going to go the tough grunt drug choices your just going

to sit in I feel like crap land.There's no way that a drug that goes

in like a pussy is going to cut these autoimmune ilness microbes

down. From my own experience the harder I pushed the more success I

had, I appreciate the monster within like no-one else.

I also should mention the first lymie that I showed his agar plates

on this forum. The guy is black and green in his fascial bones

what do you recommend????????????????

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Jill

Where are the people in the hospital system that refused the

mycology drugs and opted for the garlic drugs that are cured??????I

just hate this crap fed to the vulneravble of this world. The first

lymie sent me what I think was IV allicin it was also claimed to

kill everything. I feel it has it's biggest impact---- on your

wallet.

Sorry I just don't buy fiction since becoming ill, I just wanted the

facts mam--period...........I actually had enough sense to keep

doing cultures of the blood, unlike anyone anywhere else in these

forums.I needed to have facts on what I'm attacking and all the drug

choices and antimicrobial resistances fitted with what was in my

blood.You just can't have this much commonsense when your ill and

have no idea about anything- you then attach to a group. For me it

was what is causing me this painfull arthritis that makes it

impossable for me to drive my own car?yet when given amoxacillin

your feeling almost human again??

tony

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Why is it either/or?

Do you think this pathologist is an idiot? He's been doing this his

whole life and he's doing flow cytometry studies on allitridi on the

side. They've used it successfully IV in mainland China for 20 years,

NOT for bacteria, but for fungi.

Is there a problem with this? You think I should not even look into

it even tho I have fungal issues and don't handle diflucan well (feel

much more energetic on it but my liver protests)

Does it have to be an all or nothing, use tons of antibiotics to

fight what is on my hair or in my spit, and leave it at that?

I really don't see why it has to be an either/or, Tony. I just don't

get it. If anybody gets interested in any other approach than the one

that works for you, you nix it. You nix lyme as inconsequential, you

scoff at this work on allitridi even if published. I'm not saying the

guy you mentioned doesn't have a rotting jaw. I'm not recommending

anything to him and don't even know him and don't know what he should

do except have most of the rotted jaw removed safely and treat with

IV abx and hyperbaric oxygen.

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When I took 3 grams of amoxy a day it ameliorated my lyme symptoms--

buzzing, neuropathic pain, it also helped my bladder. It also so

exhausted me and wiped me out from fungal issues that by the end of 2

weeks I could barely get out of bed. I *have* to deal with my fungal

issues and by god I will, and that's that. I have a similar attitude

to you in my own way. I'll take my care into my own hands, as best I

can, knowing my own body. I won't criticize your way but I'm about

ready to stop posting about what I'm doing or what I find ineresting,

even if people migh benefit, because Tony, in spite of how generous

and well meaning you are, I'm god-da**ed tired of you attacking every

information post I put out here. I'm just tired of it and don't have

the energy. I respond immediately to diflucan with significantly more

energy but my liver cannot handle it. And now I've got an extraction

site problem that is serious and I think its from her stitching and

whatever she introduced into my mouth during the procedure that the

stitches became a nice multiplying site for. That's my gut feeling as

other extractions have been completely routine and drained and healed

on their own.

That's it, No more I don't need the stress of having to resopnd to

attack after attack about anything except huge doses of antibiotics

for staph epi.

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Jill

I put up 2 samples of lyme patients in the last month.The first

dude was doing I believe IV garlic as his antimicrobial because he

bought that story hook line and sinker.My problem is there will be

many that will sit on that as an antimicrobial for 2 years and get

worse- they also loose the window of oppurtunity often to reach a

decent recovery platform- I just think it's this that drove me to be

a little anxious with blanket statements.I mean I have read and do

see people doing it as the whole hog therapy.

I also understand the difficulty of killing microbes in general.

These things are hearty critters and don't die due to mouthwash nor

do they go down to many supposedly antimicrobial substances.Once you

have the enemy in your possesion and throw everything and the

kitchen sink at them you just want to share facts and debunk

myths.Colloidal silver is a decent antimicrobial when mixed

correctly. I support it- just feel that it doesn't have the grunt to

get into a scar tissue site and kill bugs it's good for soft targets.

Jill don't get upset with me I just want people to sit around doing

stuff that as a combination of many things all achieve a positive

result.How would you also feel if you just saw the biggest garlic

user around keel over with meningitis the biggest infection

around????I mean wouldn't you go on a forum and blast away at the

story as the facts can be a little different.Admittedly I have not

used it on candida nor aspergillis which I had with my latest

samples.My other problem was that the best fungus relief for me came

from cipro which I really needed to get my hands around why this was

so.

tony

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It's okay Tony. I know how much you want to help and try to help, I'm

mostly just very upset that as HARD as I tried to handle this tooth

situation PERFECTLY it got messed up. I am just sometimes beside

myself with how harmful and bad medical care is. You can try and try

and try to do the right thing and they'll screw it up. As Barb has

sardonically commented on. Reminds me as I said of that person on

lymenet, her son has lyme, and Dr. J who is the best lyme

pediatrician in the U.S., sees she has a nonhealing weeping ulcer of

2.5 years duration that no dermatologist has been able to help her

with, so he just takes a swab, cultures it, finds strep pyrogenes and

puts her on augmentin.

Now he's a kids doc, a lyme kids doc, and she's the mom with lyme and

he helped her out to be nice.

Now tell me, no other doc she went to for 30 months could do that?

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Jill

That's why I worked out exactly how and when and why to use my own

doctor.The guy drags his feet across the room when in his practise.

if you move in and out of his office sweetly and don't overwhelm him

you'll chip away and get everything you want.BUT DON " T TRY AND SELL

HIM MYCOPLASMA STORIES with therapies that don't work he won't have

a bar of that.On occasion I want him to read 10 words of some study

as opposed to 10 pages that people present there doctors.This just

doesn't happen- they don't read anything outside that one minute

window while in there with him.People say to me this is

impossable.... you have to believe it can and is done if your plans

are well layed out. I also highly recommend a female doctor to

anyone having difficulties, they can be absolute gems when trying to

get you diagnosed.

tony

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Yeah I see your point- but just felt that if barb is buying that

literature many others look up to you as there hero and could be

influenced into doing that as there antimicrobial of choice.. I just

don't really think people should be doing something for long periods

that doesn't help.I'll just have to stake my reputation and say

(every other post) - garlic and it's by products ain't going to help

anyone fight any type of infection... period.I also strongly feel

there's no-one walking the planet due to fighting an infection with

garlic, if the infection was a killer type organism.

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Tony:

I really never just buy into anything. I have formed my opinions

about the abx/supplements (my Doc and I chose) to take for my chronic

illness after HUNDREDS of hrs researching metabolism and

chemical classes after I tested PCR positive for Lyme.

I had done many many ALT therapies prior to that, and while I

think many of them helped, they didn't do the job on the pathogens

the way abx did.

I agree with you that some natural substances (like garlic)

aren't going to cure anyone- but some natural substances can bolsetr

the immune system- and here we are again at the immune system- the

bug gun.

J consistantly posts excellent stuff about the GI track and

it's inhabitants - which is where immunity starts.. and can start to

go awry. And I've learned alot from him... We have to have some of

these systems in order IN ORDER for the abx to work if they're orals.

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Yeah Barb that's great. I'm big on believeing the gut has to be in

balance before anything positive and healthy happens.I also think

it's great if you took garlic to help your blood profile as I'm sure

this is another of our big challenges. just trying not to send

anyone away stuck doing garlic as there antimicrobial was my

mission. I obviously failed according to the heavy feedback.

I also appreciate your long and heavy research into all the

supplements especially the ibuprofen long haul therapy.

But to finish of I don't really jump up and down telling people to

take a particular antibiotic- I'm more into people learning about

there issues curved spines, bad skeletons/joints, cysts in bones

around joints.Just basically taking stock of the ins and outs to

determine that maybe 100 mg of minocyline a day is more suited to a

skin blemish.I would rather they have a grasp of what someone

carrying the equivalent amount of infection needs to do.

tony

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Thanks for the vote Barb , this may start to sound like a mutual

appreciation society but it's got to be said... your a star ..Your cured,

enough said ..spleenless utterly ill for years, doctors that were working

against you not for you ..and you came through it , worked it out for

yourself ...so just to say your posts are very valuable & appreciated keep

em coming ..

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Tony:

I really never just buy into anything. I have formed my opinions

about the abx/supplements (my Doc and I chose) to take for my chronic

illness after HUNDREDS of hrs researching metabolism and

chemical classes after I tested PCR positive for Lyme.

I had done many many ALT therapies prior to that, and while I

think many of them helped, they didn't do the job on the pathogens

the way abx did.

I agree with you that some natural substances (like garlic)

aren't going to cure anyone- but some natural substances can bolsetr

the immune system- and here we are again at the immune system- the

bug gun.

J consistantly posts excellent stuff about the GI track and

it's inhabitants - which is where immunity starts.. and can start to

go awry. And I've learned alot from him... We have to have some of

these systems in order IN ORDER for the abx to work if they're orals.

Barb

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