autism - cfs increase

[Guest guest]

So give us a clue; what is it? I'll bet it's a chemical in plastics or

something.

- Kate

On Saturday, December 31, 2005, at 06:13 AM, Jaep wrote:

> Autism is increasing exponentially, 1 in 150 are now affected ,There

> aren’t

> 1-150 adults suffering with autistic symptoms amongst us now so The

> cause

> must be environmental  G depletion is very much a symptom of an

> underlying

> condition ....I'm putting together a article on Autism that I hope

> makes

> sense of the condition , its turning into a bit of a saga ..

[Guest guest]

Hang on Kate .it's a big subject, It's not one thing but a series of events that collectively add up to the autistic condition ..sorry for the clock & dagger , but I would rather finish the article with the relevant references so you can view it complete , its a puzzle solved I hope ...

Here,s the first couple of chapters ,

Autism is increasing exponentially.

The incidence has risen from 1-2400 in the 1960s to 1-150 children now in 2005, it is now considered to be an epidemic

The explosive growth tells us that the often quoted reasons namely “misdiagnosis” in the past and “genetic factors” for the increase in the diagnosis of Autism cannot

be correct… There aren’t 1-150 adults suffering with autistic symptoms amongst us now. . Genetic factors in any condition/disease are progressive over many

years and just would not be a factor in any explosive growth in any condition. These facts tell us that quite emphatically the cause is environmental.

Hygiene Hypothesis

The prevailing opinion on the cause of the downward spiralling of health in rich western societies is attributed childhood mollycoddling as

dictated by the “Hygiene Hypothesis”.

In the late 1990s, Dr.a Von Mutius, a health researcher, compared the rates of allergies and asthma in East and West Germany. Her

hypothesis was that children growing up in the poorer, dirtier, and generally less healthful cities of East Germany would suffer more from allergy

and asthma than youngsters in West Germany, with its cleaner and more modern environment. What was found was exactly the opposite'' of

her hypothesis. Children in the polluted areas of East Germany had lower allergic reactions and fewer cases of asthma than children in the

West. What was going on?

"The Hygiene Hypothesis," states that children who are around numerous other children or animals early in life are exposed to more microbes ,

and their immune systems develop more tolerance as for instance for the irritants that cause asthma. Poorer areas, more microbes better

immune system , less illness.

The hypothesis is deeply flawed. We all live in a soup of microbes, There is no point in trying to hide from bacteria , for they are on and around

you always, in numbers you cant conceive of. If you totalled up all the biomass of the planet..microbes would account for at least 80% of all there

is .About one microbe in a thousand is a pathogen, Because we are cleaver enough to produce and use antibiotics and disinfectants , it’s easy

to convince ourselves that we have banished bacteria to the fringes of existence. Don’t you believe it.

The notion that wiping down a few surfaces with disinfectant will reduce the amount of microbes we are in contact with to the extent that it will

make us much less susceptible to infection is ridiculous.

Children rich or poor have pets; those pets have plenty of microbes, children group together at school where infections are soon spread. Not

all mothers are fastidious in cleaning the home some are downright unclean. We will never defeat microbes by eradication . The answer to infection is to harness microbes to work for us

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of KateSent: 31 December 2005 17:47infections Subject: [infections] autism - cfs increaseSo give us a clue; what is it? I'll bet it's a chemical in plastics or something.- KateOn Saturday, December 31, 2005, at 06:13 AM, Jaep wrote:

Autism is increasing exponentially, 1 in 150 are now affected ,There aren’t1-150 adults suffering with autistic symptoms amongst us now so The causemust be environmental G depletion is very much a symptom of an underlyingcondition ....I'm putting together a article on Autism that I hope makessense of the condition , its turning into a bit of a saga ..

[Guest guest]

I'm not so fast to dispense with the hygeine hypothesis. Sure, as you

note, an only child may have about the same total contact with external

bacteria as a child who is the youngest of ten children. But how many

of those bacteria are capable of infection (whether pathogenic or no)?

What percentage of them are just defenseless snacks for phagocytes? It

may be that an exposure doesnt have much effect in conditioning the

immune system, unless it results in an infection - perhaps small and

brief, and also perhaps asymptomatic. It could be that most

such " conditioning " infections involve obligate parasites which are not

readily acquired except thru close human contact.

Which also brings up viruses. I very vaguely recall reading that they

arent considered able to survive long at all in the environment, with

the exception of poxviruses. Hence, cohabitation or close contact with

humans probably greatly facilitates their acquisition.

But, as far as the impact of hygeine on something like Crohns disease,

if my vague recollection is accurate, the prevalance difference in

people with vs people without siblings is something like a factor of 2.

Not exactly massive. Tho children certainly do have contacts other than

their siblings, one might still expect to see a bigger factor there if

the Crohns epidemic has in fact really sprouted from near nothing as

the whipworm guy asserts, and if hygeine changes are in fact really the

chief culprit in the epidemic.

[Guest guest]

Yes , some interesting stuff on immunity , here in the uk it's clear that

the much heralded pandemic of mad cow disease is just not going to

happen..the white coats now say we have all developed immunity against

it...And take farm kids ..accoding to the HH they should be as fit as fleas

but although they are a little healthier they have still have plenty of

" modern ailments " including asthma ...Also it's been noted that the

wealthier the family the sicker the kids are ..on the school run very often

the swankiest car contains the sickest kids.

And then there's the Amish community. The Amish live drastically different

lifestyles

compared to most, with their back to nature lifestyle there is virtually no

asthma or autism.. It’s true they shun most of the modern conveniences most

would think of as essential, disinfectants, pesticides, antibiotics as

growth promoters etc, etc.

But it’s no coincidence that Amish communities do not vaccinate their

children or use antibiotics on the same grand scale as in other societies,

in particular rich western societies. Anyway a happy & healthy new year to

you aand all ..

[infections] Re: autism - cfs increase

I'm not so fast to dispense with the hygeine hypothesis. Sure, as you

note, an only child may have about the same total contact with external

bacteria as a child who is the youngest of ten children. But how many

of those bacteria are capable of infection (whether pathogenic or no)?

What percentage of them are just defenseless snacks for phagocytes? It

may be that an exposure doesnt have much effect in conditioning the

immune system, unless it results in an infection - perhaps small and

brief, and also perhaps asymptomatic. It could be that most

such " conditioning " infections involve obligate parasites which are not

readily acquired except thru close human contact.

Which also brings up viruses. I very vaguely recall reading that they

arent considered able to survive long at all in the environment, with

the exception of poxviruses. Hence, cohabitation or close contact with

humans probably greatly facilitates their acquisition.

But, as far as the impact of hygeine on something like Crohns disease,

if my vague recollection is accurate, the prevalance difference in

people with vs people without siblings is something like a factor of 2.

Not exactly massive. Tho children certainly do have contacts other than

their siblings, one might still expect to see a bigger factor there if

the Crohns epidemic has in fact really sprouted from near nothing as

the whipworm guy asserts, and if hygeine changes are in fact really the

chief culprit in the epidemic.