Re: Microelectricity to kill pathogens

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I'm just curious is this anything like a TENS unit? Can a tens unit be used. I have one perscribed for shoulder pain. Mariedrgaftop <drgaftop@...> wrote: I have been zapping for a while, and as I previously said, I KNOW I herxed hard the first time I zapped-got nauseated and toxic flushed (like the feeling when you take niacin, except with poison), and had similiar (though on a lesser degree) results since. But, lately I feel I have been in a zapping rut. I have been a member of this group for a long time, but never tried the "Godzilla"./I started zapping with the Godzilla last week. I am not herxing systemically (as in whole body sick), probably

because my health is fairly improved right now, but it has brought on a lot of the same herx pain abx does (to sinus, ear, eye region), but greatly magnified. Also, it seems my jaw joint is gaining elasticity. This thing is so easy to make and parts only cost me about $13. I am using it more like a zapper than trying to add current to my veins. I don't believe current will run the veins like a car will a curving highway. I think current in the body will go from point a to point b through tissue, vessels, bone to a certain extent (it is therefore important to move the contacts around). So I modified the contacts. Instead of the cloth and thread contacts, I used 4 alligator clips, two attached to the battery, and two attached to 1" by two inches long copper tube found at the plumbing section at home depot. I flattened the tube until the sides were about 1/4" away from touching (easier to attack alligator clips). I tear long

pieces of paper towels and wrap them around the copper tubes and wet them. I make sure the paper towels also cover the alligator clips. The trick is to spread the current out. You don't want a small area of metal touching the skin, as it will burn the skin if concentrated at a small area.Here's an interesting write up on electromedicine:http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2003/06/19/electricity_the_mother_of_all_medicine.htm

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Yeah

you can use a tens. If it works it's capable of stopping the quorum

sensing cycle bacteria use to harmonously pulverise you.Anything

that's positive in it's response with your symptoms- can keep the

bacteria quiet- is good..I feel steroids and environmental

situautions and a few other drugs as well as eating a certain way

can keep the bugs quiet and you improving.The key is to have a fully

healed and reduced bug anatomy, one that responds to triggers from

environemnt(allergens) ain't a good body....

> I have been zapping for a while, and as I previously said, I

KNOW I

> herxed hard the first time I zapped-got nauseated and toxic

flushed

> (like the feeling when you take niacin, except with poison), and

had

> similiar (though on a lesser degree) results since. But, lately I

> feel I have been in a zapping rut. I have been a member of this

group

> for a long time, but never tried the " Godzilla " .

> /

> I started zapping with the Godzilla last week. I am not herxing

> systemically (as in whole body sick), probably because my health

is

> fairly improved right now, but it has brought on a lot of the same

> herx pain abx does (to sinus, ear, eye region), but greatly

> magnified. Also, it seems my jaw joint is gaining elasticity. This

> thing is so easy to make and parts only cost me about $13. I am

using

> it more like a zapper than trying to add current to my veins. I

don't

> believe current will run the veins like a car will a curving

highway.

> I think current in the body will go from point a to point b

through

> tissue, vessels, bone to a certain extent (it is therefore

important

> to move the contacts around). So I modified the contacts. Instead

of

> the cloth and thread contacts, I used 4 alligator clips, two

attached

> to the battery, and two attached to 1 " by two inches long copper

tube

> found at the plumbing section at home depot. I flattened the tube

> until the sides were about 1/4 " away from touching (easier to

attack

> alligator clips). I tear long pieces of paper towels and wrap them

> around the copper tubes and wet them. I make sure the paper towels

> also cover the alligator clips. The trick is to spread the current

> out. You don't want a small area of metal touching the skin, as it

> will burn the skin if concentrated at a small area.

>

> Here's an interesting write up on electromedicine:

>

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2003/06/19/electricity_the_moth

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> r_of_all_medicine.htm

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I gather this means-yes, the TENS can help. Yeah. I am going to use it more. What kind of diet do you recommend to keep the bugs quiet. Is keeping them quiet the same as killing them? I want them GONE. Mariedumbaussie2000 <dumbaussie2000@...> wrote: Yeahyou can use a tens. If it works it's capable of stopping the quorum sensing cycle bacteria use to harmonously pulverise you.Anything that's positive in it's response with your symptoms- can keep the bacteria quiet- is good..I feel steroids and environmental situautions and a few other drugs as well as eating a certain way can keep the bugs quiet and you improving.The key is to have a fully healed and reduced bug anatomy, one that responds to triggers from environemnt(allergens) ain't a

good body....> I have been zapping for a while, and as I previously said, I KNOW I > herxed hard the first time I zapped-got nauseated and toxic flushed > (like the feeling when you take niacin, except with poison), and had > similiar (though on a lesser degree) results since. But, lately I > feel I have been in a zapping rut. I have been a member of this group > for a long time, but never tried the "Godzilla".> /> I started zapping

with the Godzilla last week. I am not herxing > systemically (as in whole body sick), probably because my health is > fairly improved right now, but it has brought on a lot of the same > herx pain abx does (to sinus, ear, eye region), but greatly > magnified. Also, it seems my jaw joint is gaining elasticity. This > thing is so easy to make and parts only cost me about $13. I am using > it more like a zapper than trying to add current to my veins. I don't > believe current will run the veins like a car will a curving highway. > I think current in the body will go from point a to point b through > tissue, vessels, bone to a certain extent (it is therefore important > to move the contacts around). So I modified the contacts. Instead of > the cloth and thread contacts, I used 4 alligator clips, two attached > to the battery, and two attached to 1" by two inches long

copper tube > found at the plumbing section at home depot. I flattened the tube > until the sides were about 1/4" away from touching (easier to attack > alligator clips). I tear long pieces of paper towels and wrap them > around the copper tubes and wet them. I make sure the paper towels > also cover the alligator clips. The trick is to spread the current > out. You don't want a small area of metal touching the skin, as it > will burn the skin if concentrated at a small area.> > Here's an interesting write up on electromedicine:> http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2003/06/19/electricity_the_mothe> r_of_all_medicine.htm> > > > > >

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I'm not familiar with the TENS unit.

> I have been zapping for a while, and as I previously said, I KNOW

I

> herxed hard the first time I zapped-got nauseated and toxic flushed

> (like the feeling when you take niacin, except with poison), and

had

> similiar (though on a lesser degree) results since. But, lately I

> feel I have been in a zapping rut. I have been a member of this

group

> for a long time, but never tried the " Godzilla " .

> /

> I started zapping with the Godzilla last week. I am not herxing

> systemically (as in whole body sick), probably because my health is

> fairly improved right now, but it has brought on a lot of the same

> herx pain abx does (to sinus, ear, eye region), but greatly

> magnified. Also, it seems my jaw joint is gaining elasticity. This

> thing is so easy to make and parts only cost me about $13. I am

using

> it more like a zapper than trying to add current to my veins. I

don't

> believe current will run the veins like a car will a curving

highway.

> I think current in the body will go from point a to point b through

> tissue, vessels, bone to a certain extent (it is therefore

important

> to move the contacts around). So I modified the contacts. Instead

of

> the cloth and thread contacts, I used 4 alligator clips, two

attached

> to the battery, and two attached to 1 " by two inches long copper

tube

> found at the plumbing section at home depot. I flattened the tube

> until the sides were about 1/4 " away from touching (easier to

attack

> alligator clips). I tear long pieces of paper towels and wrap them

> around the copper tubes and wet them. I make sure the paper towels

> also cover the alligator clips. The trick is to spread the current

> out. You don't want a small area of metal touching the skin, as it

> will burn the skin if concentrated at a small area.

>

> Here's an interesting write up on electromedicine:

>

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2003/06/19/electricity_the_mothe

> r_of_all_medicine.htm

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>

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Just guessing- 1 trillion bacteria don't go away by waving a magic

wand you gotta use the science and watch them not grow in petri

dishes.

Diet is a personal thing, I would look carefully at anything that

possably stops the slime network that just fills your body full of

sludge-I think the group in florida, some fibromyalgia lady that

controls this has helpfull information.It's also an ilness of low

level inflammation thru your pelvic organs that can also benefit

from strict eating regimes- I believe weight loss may make a huge

difference as the fat seems to store the toxins.The problem I have

with people is they feel that a breakfast cereal that goes snap

crackle and pop is enough to fix things. This ilness to me is on par

with major burn patients and should be treated in a similar fashion.

> > I have been zapping for a while, and as I previously said, I

> KNOW I

> > herxed hard the first time I zapped-got nauseated and toxic

> flushed

> > (like the feeling when you take niacin, except with poison), and

> had

> > similiar (though on a lesser degree) results since. But, lately

I

> > feel I have been in a zapping rut. I have been a member of this

> group

> > for a long time, but never tried the " Godzilla " .

> > /

> > I started zapping with the Godzilla last week. I am not herxing

> > systemically (as in whole body sick), probably because my health

> is

> > fairly improved right now, but it has brought on a lot of the

same

> > herx pain abx does (to sinus, ear, eye region), but greatly

> > magnified. Also, it seems my jaw joint is gaining elasticity.

This

> > thing is so easy to make and parts only cost me about $13. I am

> using

> > it more like a zapper than trying to add current to my veins. I

> don't

> > believe current will run the veins like a car will a curving

> highway.

> > I think current in the body will go from point a to point b

> through

> > tissue, vessels, bone to a certain extent (it is therefore

> important

> > to move the contacts around). So I modified the contacts.

Instead

> of

> > the cloth and thread contacts, I used 4 alligator clips, two

> attached

> > to the battery, and two attached to 1 " by two inches long copper

> tube

> > found at the plumbing section at home depot. I flattened the

tube

> > until the sides were about 1/4 " away from touching (easier to

> attack

> > alligator clips). I tear long pieces of paper towels and wrap

them

> > around the copper tubes and wet them. I make sure the paper

towels

> > also cover the alligator clips. The trick is to spread the

current

> > out. You don't want a small area of metal touching the skin, as

it

> > will burn the skin if concentrated at a small area.

> >

> > Here's an interesting write up on electromedicine:

> >

>

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2003/06/19/electricity_the_moth

> e

> > r_of_all_medicine.htm

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Is keeping them quiet the same as killing them? I want them GONE.

It's not the same as killing them but the fact they are quiet and

you possably healed a certain section of anatomy makes it a positive.

They are hearty and have wormed there way deep into your body/brain

wherever they want they go.

tony

> > I have been zapping for a while, and as I previously said, I

> KNOW I

> > herxed hard the first time I zapped-got nauseated and toxic

> flushed

> > (like the feeling when you take niacin, except with poison), and

> had

> > similiar (though on a lesser degree) results since. But, lately

I

> > feel I have been in a zapping rut. I have been a member of this

> group

> > for a long time, but never tried the " Godzilla " .

> > /

> > I started zapping with the Godzilla last week. I am not herxing

> > systemically (as in whole body sick), probably because my health

> is

> > fairly improved right now, but it has brought on a lot of the

same

> > herx pain abx does (to sinus, ear, eye region), but greatly

> > magnified. Also, it seems my jaw joint is gaining elasticity.

This

> > thing is so easy to make and parts only cost me about $13. I am

> using

> > it more like a zapper than trying to add current to my veins. I

> don't

> > believe current will run the veins like a car will a curving

> highway.

> > I think current in the body will go from point a to point b

> through

> > tissue, vessels, bone to a certain extent (it is therefore

> important

> > to move the contacts around). So I modified the contacts.

Instead

> of

> > the cloth and thread contacts, I used 4 alligator clips, two

> attached

> > to the battery, and two attached to 1 " by two inches long copper

> tube

> > found at the plumbing section at home depot. I flattened the

tube

> > until the sides were about 1/4 " away from touching (easier to

> attack

> > alligator clips). I tear long pieces of paper towels and wrap

them

> > around the copper tubes and wet them. I make sure the paper

towels

> > also cover the alligator clips. The trick is to spread the

current

> > out. You don't want a small area of metal touching the skin, as

it

> > will burn the skin if concentrated at a small area.

> >

> > Here's an interesting write up on electromedicine:

> >

>

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2003/06/19/electricity_the_moth

> e

> > r_of_all_medicine.htm

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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TENS stands for Transcutaneous Electric Nerve Stimulator. Pads with wires connected to the unit deliver a small amount of electricity to the skin. It is used for pain. I was perscribed one for a rotator cuff tear. It is very helpful. Since it is delivering an electrical current I wonder if it has an affect on infections such as the RIFE machine. Mariedrgaftop <drgaftop@...> wrote: I'm not familiar with the TENS unit.> I have been zapping for a while, and as I

previously said, I KNOW I > herxed hard the first time I zapped-got nauseated and toxic flushed > (like the feeling when you take niacin, except with poison), and had > similiar (though on a lesser degree) results since. But, lately I > feel I have been in a zapping rut. I have been a member of this group > for a long time, but never tried the "Godzilla".> /> I started zapping with the Godzilla last week. I am not herxing > systemically (as in whole body sick), probably because my health is > fairly improved right now, but it has brought on a lot of the same > herx pain abx does (to sinus, ear, eye region), but greatly > magnified. Also, it seems my jaw joint is gaining elasticity. This > thing is so easy to make and parts only cost me about $13. I

am using > it more like a zapper than trying to add current to my veins. I don't > believe current will run the veins like a car will a curving highway. > I think current in the body will go from point a to point b through > tissue, vessels, bone to a certain extent (it is therefore important > to move the contacts around). So I modified the contacts. Instead of > the cloth and thread contacts, I used 4 alligator clips, two attached > to the battery, and two attached to 1" by two inches long copper tube > found at the plumbing section at home depot. I flattened the tube > until the sides were about 1/4" away from touching (easier to attack > alligator clips). I tear long pieces of paper towels and wrap them > around the copper tubes and wet them. I make sure the paper towels > also cover the alligator clips. The trick is to spread the current > out. You don't

want a small area of metal touching the skin, as it > will burn the skin if concentrated at a small area.> > Here's an interesting write up on electromedicine:> http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2003/06/19/electricity_the_mothe> r_of_all_medicine.htm> > > > > >

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I am also doing multiple antibiotic therapy. I agree that the big guns have to be used and I appreciate that you take it very seriously. I think I eat a pretty healthy diet. Well-I do slip but have avoided sugar completely and dairy also. Mariedumbaussie2000 <dumbaussie2000@...> wrote: Just guessing- 1 trillion bacteria don't go away by waving a magic wand you gotta use the science and watch them not grow in petri dishes.Diet is a personal thing, I would look carefully at anything that possably stops the slime network that just fills your body full of sludge-I think the group in florida, some fibromyalgia lady that controls this has helpfull information.It's also an ilness of low level inflammation thru your pelvic organs that can also benefit from strict eating regimes- I believe

weight loss may make a huge difference as the fat seems to store the toxins.The problem I have with people is they feel that a breakfast cereal that goes snap crackle and pop is enough to fix things. This ilness to me is on par with major burn patients and should be treated in a similar fashion.> > I have been zapping for a while, and as I previously said, I > KNOW I > > herxed hard the first time I zapped-got nauseated

and toxic > flushed > > (like the feeling when you take niacin, except with poison), and > had > > similiar (though on a lesser degree) results since. But, lately I > > feel I have been in a zapping rut. I have been a member of this > group > > for a long time, but never tried the "Godzilla".> > /> > I started zapping with the Godzilla last week. I am not herxing > > systemically (as in whole body sick), probably because my health > is > > fairly improved right now, but it has brought on a lot of the same > > herx pain abx does (to sinus, ear, eye region), but greatly > > magnified. Also, it seems my jaw joint is gaining elasticity. This > > thing is so easy to make and parts only cost me about

$13. I am > using > > it more like a zapper than trying to add current to my veins. I > don't > > believe current will run the veins like a car will a curving > highway. > > I think current in the body will go from point a to point b > through > > tissue, vessels, bone to a certain extent (it is therefore > important > > to move the contacts around). So I modified the contacts. Instead > of > > the cloth and thread contacts, I used 4 alligator clips, two > attached > > to the battery, and two attached to 1" by two inches long copper > tube > > found at the plumbing section at home depot. I flattened the tube > > until the sides were about 1/4" away from touching (easier to > attack > > alligator clips). I tear long pieces of paper towels and wrap them > > around the copper tubes and wet them. I make

sure the paper towels > > also cover the alligator clips. The trick is to spread the current > > out. You don't want a small area of metal touching the skin, as it > > will burn the skin if concentrated at a small area.> > > > Here's an interesting write up on electromedicine:> > > http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2003/06/19/electricity_the_moth> e> > r_of_all_medicine.htm> > > > > > > > > > > >

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I understand it reduces joint pain. I wonder if this occurs because

of an affect on microorganisms in the joints? Maybe temporarily

disabling them? Maybe even killing some?

> > I have been zapping for a while, and as I previously said, I

KNOW

> I

> > herxed hard the first time I zapped-got nauseated and toxic

flushed

> > (like the feeling when you take niacin, except with poison), and

> had

> > similiar (though on a lesser degree) results since. But, lately

I

> > feel I have been in a zapping rut. I have been a member of this

> group

> > for a long time, but never tried the " Godzilla " .

> > /

> > I started zapping with the Godzilla last week. I am not herxing

> > systemically (as in whole body sick), probably because my health

is

> > fairly improved right now, but it has brought on a lot of the

same

> > herx pain abx does (to sinus, ear, eye region), but greatly

> > magnified. Also, it seems my jaw joint is gaining elasticity.

This

> > thing is so easy to make and parts only cost me about $13. I am

> using

> > it more like a zapper than trying to add current to my veins. I

> don't

> > believe current will run the veins like a car will a curving

> highway.

> > I think current in the body will go from point a to point b

through

> > tissue, vessels, bone to a certain extent (it is therefore

> important

> > to move the contacts around). So I modified the contacts.

Instead

> of

> > the cloth and thread contacts, I used 4 alligator clips, two

> attached

> > to the battery, and two attached to 1 " by two inches long copper

> tube

> > found at the plumbing section at home depot. I flattened the

tube

> > until the sides were about 1/4 " away from touching (easier to

> attack

> > alligator clips). I tear long pieces of paper towels and wrap

them

> > around the copper tubes and wet them. I make sure the paper

towels

> > also cover the alligator clips. The trick is to spread the

current

> > out. You don't want a small area of metal touching the skin, as

it

> > will burn the skin if concentrated at a small area.

> >

> > Here's an interesting write up on electromedicine:

> >

>

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2003/06/19/electricity_the_moth

e

> > r_of_all_medicine.htm

> >

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In the literature that came with the unit they say that they think it disconnects the pain receptors (something like that). However it did say they don't know exactly how or why it works and it doesn't work for everyone. Mmmm, maybe only works for those with some infection in the joint. Works for me. Mariedrgaftop <drgaftop@...> wrote: I understand it reduces joint pain. I wonder if this occurs because of an affect on microorganisms in the joints? Maybe temporarily disabling them? Maybe even killing some? > > I have been zapping for a while, and as I previously said, I KNOW > I > > herxed hard the first time I zapped-got nauseated and toxic flushed > > (like the feeling when you take niacin, except with poison), and

> had > > similiar (though on a lesser degree) results since. But, lately I > > feel I have been in a zapping rut. I have been a member of this > group > > for a long time, but never tried the "Godzilla".> > /> > I started zapping with the Godzilla last week. I am not herxing > > systemically (as in whole body sick), probably because my health is > > fairly improved right now, but it has brought on a lot of the same > > herx pain abx does (to sinus, ear, eye region), but greatly > > magnified. Also, it seems my jaw joint is gaining elasticity. This > > thing is so easy to make and parts only cost me about $13. I am > using > > it more like a zapper than trying to add current to my veins. I >

don't > > believe current will run the veins like a car will a curving > highway. > > I think current in the body will go from point a to point b through > > tissue, vessels, bone to a certain extent (it is therefore > important > > to move the contacts around). So I modified the contacts. Instead > of > > the cloth and thread contacts, I used 4 alligator clips, two > attached > > to the battery, and two attached to 1" by two inches long copper > tube > > found at the plumbing section at home depot. I flattened the tube > > until the sides were about 1/4" away from touching (easier to > attack > > alligator clips). I tear long pieces of paper towels and wrap them > > around the copper tubes and wet them. I make sure the paper towels > > also cover the alligator clips. The trick is to spread the current

> > out. You don't want a small area of metal touching the skin, as it > > will burn the skin if concentrated at a small area.> > > > Here's an interesting write up on electromedicine:> > > http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2003/06/19/electricity_the_mothe> > r_of_all_medicine.htm> > > > > > > > > > > >