Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Hi, . I, too, find the work of Prof. Harry very interesting. Concerning what he has published, he does have a hypothesis paper published about HIV and AIDS, and he has also personally published several little books. I have read the one on HIV and AIDS, and I think he is right about that. His hypothesis is that the HIV virus produces full-blown AIDS by depleting the host's body of selenium and three of the amino acids: cysteine, tryptophan and glutamine. It does this by coding for the production of a type of glutathione peroxidase, which uses these substances. He has put together supplements containing these nutrients, and has been testing them in Africa. The initial results have been quite promising. This treatment does not kill the HIV virus, but puts it into latency. Prof. has also suggested that CFS involves this same mechanism. I have corresponded with him some about this. Of the pathogens often found in PWCs, Babesia and coxsackie B3 do code for glutathione peroxidase, but as far as I can tell, the herpes family viruses (such as EBV, CMV, and HHV-6) do not. So, while this mechanism may be involved in some cases of CFS, I don't think it is the dominant mechanism, at least in the U.S. cases. As you probably recall, my hypothesis for CFS involves glutathione depletion. Cysteine is usually the rate-limiting amino acid for making glutathione, so I can see a tie-in between Harry 's mechanism and glutathione depletion, for those cases in which a glutathione-peroxidase producing pathogen is present. Rich > > Dear > As one interested in this link between CFS and autism (though I first made > the association between CFS and ADHD) I have followed the work of Harold > with some interest.me Home Page http://www.hdfoster.com/. As a > medical geographer he seems to have some good ideas but has published > nothing specific . > Regards > Windsor > RE: [infections] Re: high pulse rate > > > > > > Rich, thanks for your input , I hope I'm not riling you ,but it's clear > that > > the rise in the incidence of autism & CFS are linked , they are in fact > one > > in the same condition ..or at least the same mechanism is at work ...Its > the > > reason that DAN treatments are at least partially effective with CFS .. > > Autism is increasing exponentially, 1 in 150 are now affected ,There > aren't > > 1-150 adults suffering with autistic symptoms amongst us now so The cause > > must be environmental G depletion is very much a symptom of an underlying > > condition ....I'm putting together a article on Autism that I hope makes > > sense of the condition , its turning into a bit of a saga .. I would > > appreciate your thoughts when it's finished .. > > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Hi, . No, you're certainly not riling me. In fact, you're stimulating me! I agree with you on most of what you've said here. Since I attended the DAN! conference in Long Beach at the end of October and have read most of the book by Pangborn and Baker, " Autism: Effective Biochemical Treatments, " (http://www.autismresearchinstitute.com for $30 U.S.) I have become even more convinced that the biochemistry behind autism and that behind many cases of CFS is the same. I think that the prominent additional brain-related symptoms that are characteristic of autism result from the fact that the onset of autism occurs early in life, before the brain has fully developed. I think that the drop in methylation capacity and in glutathione levels is responsible for the interruption of proper brain development in autism. However, the rest of the symptom complex looks very similar between autism and CFS, and I think that's because these symptoms in both cases result from depletion of the important substances in the sulfur metabolism (SAMe, cysteine, glutathione, taurine and sulfate). When a block occurs in the methylation cycle, all these can go down. On the list, I have been suggesting to PWCs for the past two months that they consider using the DAN! treatments in CFS. Several have started this, and early results sound promising, but I think we have to wait for a while yet to be sure. I will look forward to reading your article. I'm very hopeful about this connection between autism and CFS and about being able to take advantage of the progress that the DAN! project people have achieved in autism to help those with CFS as well. Rich > > > > > > > > > > Network Blitz > > > > > > > > > > Why is my pulse rate so high? My blood pressure is > normal. > > > Resting > > > > in bed > > > > > last night my pulse was 77, which is very good for me. > First > > > thing > > > > this > > > > > morning before getting out of bed it was 90, then I > stood up > > and > > > > took my > > > > > pulse, it was 104. Yikes. Any thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > (I have CFS, IBS, food intolerances, sinus problems, > sleep > > > apnea, > > > > adrenal > > > > > fatigue) > > > > > > > > > > Ann > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 On Tuesday, January 3, 2006, at 01:46 PM, rvankonynen wrote: > Prof. has also suggested that CFS involves this same > mechanism. I have corresponded with him some about this. He seems very approachable. I shot him an email about Maltol and whether Maltitol would have the same negative effects. I had an answer within a few hours (not definitive, just a guess, but still, a response). The issue there is something about it allowing increased aluminum absorbtion, I think. I would have to read his Alzheimer's paper again. I just panicked because we eat Maltitol sweetened chocolate here as a way to avoid sugar but still eat chocolate. Maybe not a good idea. I dunno. Maybe okay if we supplement magnesium. He says Calcium too, which is hard for me to believe people have a deficiency in, but what do I know. - Kate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Hi , Yes it would be an incredible coincidence if we had two mysterious diseases on the rampage .....With both conditions [which are really one condition ] systems go down one after the other you name it endocrine , digestion ,Glutathione depletion , mitochondria function , immune function , it's the domino effect ...cascades of illness all triggered by chronic infection ...If I come across as arrogant it's because I feel arrogant ...I have the answer I'm sure of it...people who I respect and are well qualified to judge are nodding their heads with my article not shaking them ... I enjoy this melting pot type discussion What do you think of this info on AL acid ..its inline with my thinking that Glutathione is depleted when the body experiences high levels of oxidative stress.... as in infection ... http://www.advance-health.com/rlipoicacid.html [infections] Re: high pulse rate Hi, . No, you're certainly not riling me. In fact, you're stimulating me! I agree with you on most of what you've said here. Since I attended the DAN! conference in Long Beach at the end of October and have read most of the book by Pangborn and Baker, " Autism: Effective Biochemical Treatments, " (http://www.autismresearchinstitute.com for $30 U.S.) I have become even more convinced that the biochemistry behind autism and that behind many cases of CFS is the same. I think that the prominent additional brain-related symptoms that are characteristic of autism result from the fact that the onset of autism occurs early in life, before the brain has fully developed. I think that the drop in methylation capacity and in glutathione levels is responsible for the interruption of proper brain development in autism. However, the rest of the symptom complex looks very similar between autism and CFS, and I think that's because these symptoms in both cases result from depletion of the important substances in the sulfur metabolism (SAMe, cysteine, glutathione, taurine and sulfate). When a block occurs in the methylation cycle, all these can go down. On the list, I have been suggesting to PWCs for the past two months that they consider using the DAN! treatments in CFS. Several have started this, and early results sound promising, but I think we have to wait for a while yet to be sure. I will look forward to reading your article. I'm very hopeful about this connection between autism and CFS and about being able to take advantage of the progress that the DAN! project people have achieved in autism to help those with CFS as well. Rich > > > > > > > > > > Network Blitz > > > > > > > > > > Why is my pulse rate so high? My blood pressure is > normal. > > > Resting > > > > in bed > > > > > last night my pulse was 77, which is very good for me. > First > > > thing > > > > this > > > > > morning before getting out of bed it was 90, then I > stood up > > and > > > > took my > > > > > pulse, it was 104. Yikes. Any thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > (I have CFS, IBS, food intolerances, sinus problems, > sleep > > > apnea, > > > > adrenal > > > > > fatigue) > > > > > > > > > > Ann > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Dear Kate Try Lindt 85% cocoa chocolate, no sugar!!! Regards Windsor Re: [infections] Re: high pulse rate On Tuesday, January 3, 2006, at 01:46 PM, rvankonynen wrote: Prof. has also suggested that CFS involves this samemechanism. I have corresponded with him some about this.He seems very approachable. I shot him an email about Maltol and whether Maltitol would have the same negative effects. I had an answer within a few hours (not definitive, just a guess, but still, a response). The issue there is something about it allowing increased aluminum absorbtion, I think. I would have to read his Alzheimer's paper again. I just panicked because we eat Maltitol sweetened chocolate here as a way to avoid sugar but still eat chocolate. Maybe not a good idea. I dunno. Maybe okay if we supplement magnesium. He says Calcium too, which is hard for me to believe people have a deficiency in, but what do I know.- Kate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Dear I joined the local ADHD support group many years ago because I thought I could see the writing on the wall. The only fly in the ointment so far is thyroid function, choice of 600+ mcg T4 or 2-300 mcg T4 plus 40 mcg T3 for reasonable functioning. I noted that all the CFS sufferers I had close contact with showed strong ADHD symptoms. I also was interested to note that many had a fondness for codeine (including myself). Codeine seems to work by downregulating all sensory inputs, not only pain sensation .An outstanding factor in ADHD ( I am a card carrying member) is the inability to determine saliency of input. All sensory input is lacking relevance, perspective or appropriateness at some time or other. My sensory difficulties are primarily auditory, a landmark symptom in many autistic spectrum sufferers. Others who know me may disagree. Interesting that the syndrome of Generalised Resistance to Thyroid Hormone is relatively common in ADHD sufferers. Also , low body temperature is associated with the symptoms commonly expressed in CFS ( 's Cold Body Syndrome) Regards Windsor [infections] Re: high pulse rate > > > Hi, . > > No, you're certainly not riling me. In fact, you're stimulating > me! I agree with you on most of what you've said here. Since I > attended the DAN! conference in Long Beach at the end of October and > have read most of the book by Pangborn and Baker, " Autism: Effective > Biochemical Treatments, " (http://www.autismresearchinstitute.com > for $30 U.S.) I have become even more convinced that the > biochemistry behind autism and that behind many cases of CFS is the > same. I think that the prominent additional brain-related symptoms > that are characteristic of autism result from the fact that the > onset of autism occurs early in life, before the brain has fully > developed. I think that the drop in methylation capacity and in > glutathione levels is responsible for the interruption of proper > brain development in autism. However, the rest of the symptom > complex looks very similar between autism and CFS, and I think > that's because these symptoms in both cases result from depletion of > the important substances in the sulfur metabolism (SAMe, cysteine, > glutathione, taurine and sulfate). When a block occurs in the > methylation cycle, all these can go down. > > On the list, I have been suggesting to PWCs for > the past two months that they consider using the DAN! treatments in > CFS. Several have started this, and early results sound promising, > but I think we have to wait for a while yet to be sure. > > I will look forward to reading your article. I'm very hopeful about > this connection between autism and CFS and about being able to take > advantage of the progress that the DAN! project people have achieved > in autism to help those with CFS as well. > > Rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Network Blitz > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is my pulse rate so high? My blood pressure is > > normal. > > > > Resting > > > > > in bed > > > > > > last night my pulse was 77, which is very good for me. > > First > > > > thing > > > > > this > > > > > > morning before getting out of bed it was 90, then I > > stood up > > > and > > > > > took my > > > > > > pulse, it was 104. Yikes. Any thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > (I have CFS, IBS, food intolerances, sinus problems, > > sleep > > > > apnea, > > > > > adrenal > > > > > > fatigue) > > > > > > > > > > > > Ann > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Hi , thanks for the info , I wasn't aware that codeine was so widely used or had the properties you report .. I knew about hormone resistance but I don't know the exact cause, it looks like another function of our symbiotic relationship with microbes... & low body temp common to both ..well not surprised again . the inability to maintain a constant body temp is just another casualty of chronic infection ... Re: [infections] Re: high pulse rate Dear I joined the local ADHD support group many years ago because I thought I could see the writing on the wall. The only fly in the ointment so far is thyroid function, choice of 600+ mcg T4 or 2-300 mcg T4 plus 40 mcg T3 for reasonable functioning. I noted that all the CFS sufferers I had close contact with showed strong ADHD symptoms. I also was interested to note that many had a fondness for codeine (including myself). Codeine seems to work by downregulating all sensory inputs, not only pain sensation .An outstanding factor in ADHD ( I am a card carrying member) is the inability to determine saliency of input. All sensory input is lacking relevance, perspective or appropriateness at some time or other. My sensory difficulties are primarily auditory, a landmark symptom in many autistic spectrum sufferers. Others who know me may disagree. Interesting that the syndrome of Generalised Resistance to Thyroid Hormone is relatively common in ADHD sufferers. Also , low body temperature is associated with the symptoms commonly expressed in CFS ( 's Cold Body Syndrome) Regards Windsor [infections] Re: high pulse rate > > > Hi, . > > No, you're certainly not riling me. In fact, you're stimulating > me! I agree with you on most of what you've said here. Since I > attended the DAN! conference in Long Beach at the end of October and > have read most of the book by Pangborn and Baker, " Autism: Effective > Biochemical Treatments, " (http://www.autismresearchinstitute.com > for $30 U.S.) I have become even more convinced that the > biochemistry behind autism and that behind many cases of CFS is the > same. I think that the prominent additional brain-related symptoms > that are characteristic of autism result from the fact that the > onset of autism occurs early in life, before the brain has fully > developed. I think that the drop in methylation capacity and in > glutathione levels is responsible for the interruption of proper > brain development in autism. However, the rest of the symptom > complex looks very similar between autism and CFS, and I think > that's because these symptoms in both cases result from depletion of > the important substances in the sulfur metabolism (SAMe, cysteine, > glutathione, taurine and sulfate). When a block occurs in the > methylation cycle, all these can go down. > > On the list, I have been suggesting to PWCs for > the past two months that they consider using the DAN! treatments in > CFS. Several have started this, and early results sound promising, > but I think we have to wait for a while yet to be sure. > > I will look forward to reading your article. I'm very hopeful about > this connection between autism and CFS and about being able to take > advantage of the progress that the DAN! project people have achieved > in autism to help those with CFS as well. > > Rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Network Blitz > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is my pulse rate so high? My blood pressure is > > normal. > > > > Resting > > > > > in bed > > > > > > last night my pulse was 77, which is very good for me. > > First > > > > thing > > > > > this > > > > > > morning before getting out of bed it was 90, then I > > stood up > > > and > > > > > took my > > > > > > pulse, it was 104. Yikes. Any thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > (I have CFS, IBS, food intolerances, sinus problems, > > sleep > > > > apnea, > > > > > adrenal > > > > > > fatigue) > > > > > > > > > > > > Ann > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Dear When we find the cause of hormone resistance I will take great delight in ramming it up the noses of the local endocrinologists . IMHO they are a bunch oaf wankers. (Now is that a politically correct statement) Codeine along with many other opiates and opioids have a range of effects unremarked by the medical profession. In fact Jay Goldstein built his treatment regimens around the unremarked effects of medication. No wonder no one understood him. High dose of T4 has allowed me to cut back on pain meds so far so good. When I have sorted it out I will report. regards Windsor [infections] Re: high pulse rate > > > > > > Hi, . > > > > No, you're certainly not riling me. In fact, you're stimulating > > me! I agree with you on most of what you've said here. Since I > > attended the DAN! conference in Long Beach at the end of October and > > have read most of the book by Pangborn and Baker, " Autism: Effective > > Biochemical Treatments, " (http://www.autismresearchinstitute.com > > for $30 U.S.) I have become even more convinced that the > > biochemistry behind autism and that behind many cases of CFS is the > > same. I think that the prominent additional brain-related symptoms > > that are characteristic of autism result from the fact that the > > onset of autism occurs early in life, before the brain has fully > > developed. I think that the drop in methylation capacity and in > > glutathione levels is responsible for the interruption of proper > > brain development in autism. However, the rest of the symptom > > complex looks very similar between autism and CFS, and I think > > that's because these symptoms in both cases result from depletion of > > the important substances in the sulfur metabolism (SAMe, cysteine, > > glutathione, taurine and sulfate). When a block occurs in the > > methylation cycle, all these can go down. > > > > On the list, I have been suggesting to PWCs for > > the past two months that they consider using the DAN! treatments in > > CFS. Several have started this, and early results sound promising, > > but I think we have to wait for a while yet to be sure. > > > > I will look forward to reading your article. I'm very hopeful about > > this connection between autism and CFS and about being able to take > > advantage of the progress that the DAN! project people have achieved > > in autism to help those with CFS as well. > > > > Rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Network Blitz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is my pulse rate so high? My blood pressure is > > > normal. > > > > > Resting > > > > > > in bed > > > > > > > last night my pulse was 77, which is very good for me. > > > First > > > > > thing > > > > > > this > > > > > > > morning before getting out of bed it was 90, then I > > > stood up > > > > and > > > > > > took my > > > > > > > pulse, it was 104. Yikes. Any thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I have CFS, IBS, food intolerances, sinus problems, > > > sleep > > > > > apnea, > > > > > > adrenal > > > > > > > fatigue) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ann > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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