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Sue-

I understand your concern about too many drugs to

detox. But the critical thing is whether the drugs

she's taking are getting at everything. In the Cpn

protocols, Flagyl/Tini is pulsed, usually for 5 days

every 3-4 weeks. I have never heard of anyone having

peripheral neuropathy problems used like this, and

Stratton uses it on a continuous basis for up to a

year without any concerns.

Without it, as a following email said, the cryptic

form (in Cpn) or the cystic form (in Lyme's) just

stays as a reservoir for reinfection. Even more, in

Cpn, the energy of the mitochondria is clearly drained

off by the cryptic form and rebounds when it's killed.

Take a look at the www.cpnhelp.org site for more.

Jim

Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:00:20 -0000

From: " jill1313 " <jenbooks13@...>

Subject: Sue Re: dtr

Flagyl is a tough drug and can cause permanent

neuropathy. Already,

looking at her regimen, I feel they're throwing too

many drugs at her

at once. She has to detox ALL those drugs.

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Jim, I know several people who got totally well from lyme just taking

amoxicillin and a few other orals for years and they never used

flagyl. I think it is a little bit dangerous to insist on flagyl or

tini over the internet to someone just because ne fellow, Stratton,

uses it for what he believes is chlamydia p.

>

> Sue-

> I understand your concern about too many drugs to

> detox. But the critical thing is whether the drugs

> she's taking are getting at everything. In the Cpn

> protocols, Flagyl/Tini is pulsed, usually for 5 days

> every 3-4 weeks. I have never heard of anyone having

> peripheral neuropathy problems used like this, and

> Stratton uses it on a continuous basis for up to a

> year without any concerns.

> Without it, as a following email said, the cryptic

> form (in Cpn) or the cystic form (in Lyme's) just

> stays as a reservoir for reinfection. Even more, in

> Cpn, the energy of the mitochondria is clearly drained

> off by the cryptic form and rebounds when it's killed.

> Take a look at the www.cpnhelp.org site for more.

> Jim

>

> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:00:20 -0000

> From: " jill1313 " <jenbooks13@h...>

> Subject: Sue Re: dtr

>

> Flagyl is a tough drug and can cause permanent

> neuropathy. Already,

> looking at her regimen, I feel they're throwing too

> many drugs at her

> at once. She has to detox ALL those drugs.

>

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Looking only at positives or at any other type of selected sample

isnt informative. Several people have gotten totally well from CFS

without using any strong treatment of any kind, but we all agree its

very unlikely for a given person.

Amoxicillin has caused many humans to die of anaphylactic shock. Abx

have all got risks, its when you quantify the risks that youre

getting somewhere. What percentage of people have penicillin

anaphylaxis? What percentage of people get nitroimidazole neuropathy,

and what percentage of those had it remain permanently after stopping

nitroimidazoles?

<jenbooks13@h...> wrote:

>

> Jim, I know several people who got totally well from lyme just

taking

> amoxicillin and a few other orals for years and they never used

> flagyl. I think it is a little bit dangerous to insist on flagyl or

> tini over the internet to someone just because ne fellow, Stratton,

> uses it for what he believes is chlamydia p.

>

>

> >

> > Sue-

> > I understand your concern about too many drugs to

> > detox. But the critical thing is whether the drugs

> > she's taking are getting at everything. In the Cpn

> > protocols, Flagyl/Tini is pulsed, usually for 5 days

> > every 3-4 weeks. I have never heard of anyone having

> > peripheral neuropathy problems used like this, and

> > Stratton uses it on a continuous basis for up to a

> > year without any concerns.

> > Without it, as a following email said, the cryptic

> > form (in Cpn) or the cystic form (in Lyme's) just

> > stays as a reservoir for reinfection. Even more, in

> > Cpn, the energy of the mitochondria is clearly drained

> > off by the cryptic form and rebounds when it's killed.

> > Take a look at the www.cpnhelp.org site for more.

> > Jim

> >

> > Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:00:20 -0000

> > From: " jill1313 " <jenbooks13@h...>

> > Subject: Sue Re: dtr

> >

> > Flagyl is a tough drug and can cause permanent

> > neuropathy. Already,

> > looking at her regimen, I feel they're throwing too

> > many drugs at her

> > at once. She has to detox ALL those drugs.

> >

>

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Duh what?

" Many humans " have died from anyphylactic shock from amoxicillin?

Want to give me some #'s and citations.

Its considered one of the least toxic abx. Not saying anyone else

should take it but PLEASE, its well known that flagyl can cause

permanent nerve damage.

> > >

> > > Sue-

> > > I understand your concern about too many drugs to

> > > detox. But the critical thing is whether the drugs

> > > she's taking are getting at everything. In the Cpn

> > > protocols, Flagyl/Tini is pulsed, usually for 5 days

> > > every 3-4 weeks. I have never heard of anyone having

> > > peripheral neuropathy problems used like this, and

> > > Stratton uses it on a continuous basis for up to a

> > > year without any concerns.

> > > Without it, as a following email said, the cryptic

> > > form (in Cpn) or the cystic form (in Lyme's) just

> > > stays as a reservoir for reinfection. Even more, in

> > > Cpn, the energy of the mitochondria is clearly drained

> > > off by the cryptic form and rebounds when it's killed.

> > > Take a look at the www.cpnhelp.org site for more.

> > > Jim

> > >

> > > Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:00:20 -0000

> > > From: " jill1313 " <jenbooks13@h...>

> > > Subject: Sue Re: dtr

> > >

> > > Flagyl is a tough drug and can cause permanent

> > > neuropathy. Already,

> > > looking at her regimen, I feel they're throwing too

> > > many drugs at her

> > > at once. She has to detox ALL those drugs.

> > >

> >

>

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Well, SUPPOSEDLY that's why we have Drs. tracking our cases.

So anaphalytic shock can be avoided- blood/serum consentrations of

drugs can be tracked - (but rarely are). SO can toxic symptoms- which

rerely are either... almost everything is called a herx- when (as you

all know) I have a problem with calling everything a herx.

No 2 people are exactly the same - and I think since some people can

die from a hornet sting- some can die of (TRUE) shock from abx (but

if many do- you don't hear about it).

Amoxy is the drug choise for children, because of it's safety record-

but it should be noted that children (and the ELDERY - for those over

60 or so) respond differently to the " adult " dosage of drugs- so the

dose is adjusted for them - something no one every really talks about

here. And probably why LLMDs won't treat anyone under 18 (Do they

have an OLD limit too??)

I never took a fluroquinolone. But I took a ton of Hydroxychoroquine

which has the parent molecular structure from which the " fluros " were

designed... it's the 4-flouro molecule that's the problem (Hydroxy

lacks it).

It's chemistry folks- our drugs and our bodies, and the metabolism of

everything that goes into the moouth (or liver).

Barb

> > > >

> > > > Sue-

> > > > I understand your concern about too many drugs to

> > > > detox. But the critical thing is whether the drugs

> > > > she's taking are getting at everything. In the Cpn

> > > > protocols, Flagyl/Tini is pulsed, usually for 5 days

> > > > every 3-4 weeks. I have never heard of anyone having

> > > > peripheral neuropathy problems used like this, and

> > > > Stratton uses it on a continuous basis for up to a

> > > > year without any concerns.

> > > > Without it, as a following email said, the cryptic

> > > > form (in Cpn) or the cystic form (in Lyme's) just

> > > > stays as a reservoir for reinfection. Even more, in

> > > > Cpn, the energy of the mitochondria is clearly drained

> > > > off by the cryptic form and rebounds when it's killed.

> > > > Take a look at the www.cpnhelp.org site for more.

> > > > Jim

> > > >

> > > > Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:00:20 -0000

> > > > From: " jill1313 " <jenbooks13@h...>

> > > > Subject: Sue Re: dtr

> > > >

> > > > Flagyl is a tough drug and can cause permanent

> > > > neuropathy. Already,

> > > > looking at her regimen, I feel they're throwing too

> > > > many drugs at her

> > > > at once. She has to detox ALL those drugs.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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On Wednesday, November 23, 2005, at 05:27 PM, Barb Peck wrote:

> No 2 people are  exactly the same - and I think since some people can

> die from a hornet sting- some can die of (TRUE) shock from abx (but

> if many do- you don't hear about it).

My daughter has a swollen and infected leg from a supposed spider bite.

She's on Cephalexin and Benadryl and Ibuprofen. Very healthy kid but

apparently sensitive to whatever was in the spider saliva.

> I never took a fluroquinolone.  But I took a ton of Hydroxychoroquine

> which has the parent molecular structure from which the " fluros " were

> designed... it's the 4-flouro molecule that's the problem (Hydroxy

> lacks it).

I'm still not convinced it's the 4-flouro molecule that's the problem,

since that doesn't explain the people who have trouble with Samento. As

you know, I'm not sure I can take Plaquenil either. But I know I got

instant tendon problems from Samento.

- Kate

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I think it always comes down to individual metabolism.

Cats Claw (Samento) is an unregulated substance- so every manufacturer

will be different. It's 'similar' enough in molecular structure to

the family of drugs so that it MAY cause problems in some people.

I have read that the 4-fluoro molecules are the problem with the side

effects- but I have not been able to raise any references with a

quick search. SO the jury's out.

The same goes for Hydroxychloroquine- while I can take alot of it,

but I know of some people that can't take it at all.

I had a TREMENDOUS problem with Zith (caused biliary sludge & liver

pain in a short time) while others can take it daily for months.

There's alot of drugs out there.

There's no need to take anything anyone feels affects them adversely.

Barb

>

> > No 2 people are  exactly the same - and I think since some people

can

> > die from a hornet sting- some can die of (TRUE) shock from abx

(but

> > if many do- you don't hear about it).

>

> My daughter has a swollen and infected leg from a supposed spider

bite.

> She's on Cephalexin and Benadryl and Ibuprofen. Very healthy kid

but

> apparently sensitive to whatever was in the spider saliva.

>

> > I never took a fluroquinolone.  But I took a ton of

Hydroxychoroquine

> > which has the parent molecular structure from which the " fluros "

were

> > designed... it's the 4-flouro molecule that's the problem (Hydroxy

> > lacks it).

>

> I'm still not convinced it's the 4-flouro molecule that's the

problem,

> since that doesn't explain the people who have trouble with

Samento. As

> you know, I'm not sure I can take Plaquenil either. But I know I

got

> instant tendon problems from Samento.

>

> - Kate

>

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