Re: Followup--hubby's trip to the urologist

[Guest guest]

Hey Dave - When I started my TRT a month and a half ago, I believe

my TOTAL, not FREE " T " level was at 84 with a range starting at

290!!! My doctor was going to have me see an endocrinologist(sp?)

but in the small island I live on, only one flies over here once a

month for one day and not a whole heck of a lot can or does get

accomplished unless I flew to HIM every time and that's out of the

question because my insurance doesn't cover " elective " medical

treatment air fare, they would if I had to be flown there due to an

emergency (medi-vaced).

Since my level was over 200 points or whatever lower than the low

normal range, my doc started me on IM injections of 200mg/ml every

two weeks.

So far the effects have been GREAT! I've gone from 20mgs of Celexa

to 5mgs and will stop taking it all together next wednesday. So with

THAT out of my system and my testosterone levels being brought up

to " snuff " , I'm constantly bugging my wife for lovemaking, LOL!

Which is great because she is stressing about me not being able to

bring in an income due to other chronic problems and I have to apply

for SSDI soon....

I haven't had another " T " test yet but am scheduled for a blood

glucose test (for some reason) on July 6th and then perhaps I'll

find out what my " T " is then.

After almost 10 years of having to 'force' myself to be interested

in sex in any way shape or form, it's GREAT to have a libido that

reminds me of when I was in my mid 20's! Honest.

When I get any results from a test of any kind, you can be sure I'll

post the results here. OK?

Aloha for now,

Wayne

I

thought

> > I'd give you guys an update about my husband's first trip to the

> > urologist yesterday. You might recall he was on Prozac for

about

> 2-

> > 3 years (short time off of it last year) with at first minimal

> side

> > effects of delayed ejaculation and then steadily worsening side

> > effects of sporadic ED and then almost constant ED. He tapered

> off

> > the Prozac and things got better for a short time, then rapidly

> > worse. This also coincided with a whole host of other outside

> > stressors: a job that was slowly killing him with stress,

> terrible

> > financial difficulties and some issues with one of our kids, not

> to

> > mention some ongoing issues with our marriage. Things are good

> > between us and have been for the most part, but we went through

a

> > very rocky period from 2001 to last summer. Job loss,

depression,

> > feelings of resentment on both sides--too much to even get

into.

> > Through all this, amazingly, loss of libido (his) was

> > > never an issue. Mine was another story--which compounded the

> > problem.

> > >

> > > He left the nuthouse job a few weeks ago, started getting

> > regular sleep and going back to the gym on a regular basis lo

and

> > behold and his equipment began to function again, though still

> very

> > sporadic and not at a level he considered close to the days when

> it

> > worked on demand the way it should (his words). However, it was

> > better than ZERO, which was what it had been before. He still

was

> > feeling awful about it.

> > >

> > > Anyway, he had already been to our primary doc who ran a

full

> > battery of tests on him and came away with nothing except a

blood

> > test to repeat for low testosterone. This was when he was first

> > tapering off the Prozac. He went back for a repeat blood test

> (post

> > Prozac ) and it was normal.

> > >

> > > So the urologist did an even more thorough workup and

> pronounced

> > him absolutely healthy and in great shape. He said that as far

as

> > he could see, his issues were most likely psychological and not

> > physiological. They talked about what the doc termed " the death

> > spiral " which basically sounded like performance anxiety to me--

> > where he fails once and dwells on it, then it happens again and

he

> > starts to panic. Maybe things work once or twice but he's

fearful

> > the entire time and then he has another failure and he starts

into

> > the spiral downhill.

> > >

> > > He gave my husband some Levitra samples--which I have mixed

> > feelings about. He has taken Levitra before (while on Prozac)

with

> > good results, but if it is psychological, I " m afraid he will

> become

> > dependent (psychologically) on these pills to perform. I " ve

tried

> > to tell him that I just want us to be us and that whatever

> happens,

> > we can still have a rip-roaring good time in bed. In fact, when

> he

> > does have an erection, it's in some weird way a let-down because

> > we're so focused on doing something with it before it goes away,

> > that all foreplay is immediately suspended! But then again,

maybe

> a

> > string of successes with the Levitra will be a boost for his

> > confidence? In the past, a 1/4 to 1/2 of a 10 mg tablet worked

> > fine. But of course, in his zestful quest for success, he took

> the

> > entire tablet last night. Geez, those things are expensive and

> > insurance doesn't cover them! I want to hoard them not just

blow

> > through them!

> > >

> > > I didn't go with my husband yesterday, but if I had, I might

> > have asked this doc about the whole theory of SSRI's and

permanent

> > or ongoing side effects.

> > >

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

> > > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from

your

> > PC and save big.

> > >

> > > This group is for support, discussion, or educational purposes

> > only. It does not provide psychiatric or medical care. All

> > medications and supplements should be taken under a doctor's

> > supervision.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I'm really happy for you Wayne. It's great that you are able to get your life back together! When they first discovered your testosterone levels were low, did they immediately suggest TRT? And how low were they? I ask because hubby's first blood test showed low T and that was when he was still on Prozac (and had just made the decision to wean off). He went back for a retest about 2 weeks later and T was "normal". But I can't remember if we were told what the number was and I don't know what "normal" is. His libido has NEVER been in question--he has one of the most overactive libidos I know--even when he was on Prozac, Wellbutrin, Trazodone, etc. (He's still on Wellbutrin and Klonopin) Even when he was suffering from mind-numbing, bone crushing depression (which I'm starting to see rearing its ugly head again from this last round of job loss...), he had a strong libido. So I guess I never questioned

that his testosterone levels might be less than normal.Wayne Birdie wrote: Aloha Yupitsme!Your last sentence on your last post says more than your whole posts put together!!!!!!The MIND is an amazing organ. The debate whether orgasm happens in the brain or the sex organs is STILL raging today!!! (Personally, I think it's both.) I can only speak for myself and as a person who was on Celexa for 18months (a year and a half), Morphine since March of 1997, I had forgotten just how much I LOVED love making and so did my wife!Fortunately for me, I can do everything without taking anything except for the TRT due to less than low "T". Once I started getting my "T" levels back, not only were erections "on demand", libido is through the roof, the quality of

erections AND my ejaculations are back to what they were 20 years ago! I remember when I had no interest in the sexual side of life but was still concerned about my "plumbing" and of course to make sure it worked, I'd mastubate. Well, instead of good quality/good volume of semen, it looked like someone blew their nose in a tissue that had a bad sinus condition!!!!!!!! LOL! Seriously!Now I'm back to the point where, well, foreplay can go as long as we want it to (which in the beginning wasn't long!), and being intimate again has improved the quality of our 27 year marriage and all 'round life. I had NO IDEA...no, scratch that...I had FORGOTTEN just how much the closness and intimacy meant to both me and my wife. Ironically, the two of us have talked a lot about this topic this week. We feel like we are almost "getting to know each other again".I wish you and your hubby well and may those headaches disappear

soon! Plus, when will the insurance companies wake up and start covering ED meds??? You know why??? Because if they did, men wouldn't have to purchase anti-d's and other meds in their place! It always boils down to $$$ with them. Don't THINK so much!!! :-)Aloha,Wayne I thought I'd give you guys an update about my husband's first trip to the urologist yesterday. You might recall he was on Prozac for about 2-3 years (short time off of it last year) with at first minimal side effects of delayed ejaculation and then steadily worsening side effects of sporadic ED and then almost constant ED. He tapered off the Prozac and things got better for a short time, then rapidly worse. This also coincided with a whole host of other outside stressors: a job that was slowly killing him with stress, terrible financial difficulties and some issues with one of our kids, not to mention some ongoing issues with our marriage. Things are good between us and have

been for the most part, but we went through a very rocky period from 2001 to last summer. Job loss, depression, feelings of resentment on both sides--too much to even get into. Through all this, amazingly, loss of libido (his) was> never an issue. Mine was another story--which compounded the problem.> > He left the nuthouse job a few weeks ago, started getting regular sleep and going back to the gym on a regular basis lo and behold and his equipment began to function again, though still very sporadic and not at a level he considered close to the days when it worked on demand the way it should (his words). However, it was better than ZERO, which was what it had been before. He still was feeling awful about it. > > Anyway, he had already been to our primary doc who ran a full battery of tests on him and came away with

nothing except a blood test to repeat for low testosterone. This was when he was first tapering off the Prozac. He went back for a repeat blood test (post Prozac ) and it was normal. > > So the urologist did an even more thorough workup and pronounced him absolutely healthy and in great shape. He said that as far as he could see, his issues were most likely psychological and not physiological. They talked about what the doc termed "the death spiral" which basically sounded like performance anxiety to me--where he fails once and dwells on it, then it happens again and he starts to panic. Maybe things work once or twice but he's fearful the entire time and then he has another failure and he starts into the spiral downhill. > > He gave my husband some Levitra samples--which I have mixed feelings about. He has

taken Levitra before (while on Prozac) with good results, but if it is psychological, I"m afraid he will become dependent (psychologically) on these pills to perform. I"ve tried to tell him that I just want us to be us and that whatever happens, we can still have a rip-roaring good time in bed. In fact, when he does have an erection, it's in some weird way a let-down because we're so focused on doing something with it before it goes away, that all foreplay is immediately suspended! But then again, maybe a string of successes with the Levitra will be a boost for his confidence? In the past, a 1/4 to 1/2 of a 10 mg tablet worked fine. But of course, in his zestful quest for success, he took the entire tablet last night. Geez, those things are expensive and insurance doesn't cover them! I want to hoard them not just blow through them! > > I

didn't go with my husband yesterday, but if I had, I might have asked this doc about the whole theory of SSRI's and permanent or ongoing side effects.> > > ---------------------------------> New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. > > This group is for support, discussion, or educational purposes only. It does not provide psychiatric or medical care. All medications and supplements should be taken under a doctor's supervision. > > > >

[Guest guest]

Strong libido could be from Wellbutrin.

I'm really happy for you Wayne. It's great that you are able to get your life back together! When they first discovered your testosterone levels were low, did they immediately suggest TRT? And how low were they? I ask because hubby's first blood test showed low T and that was when he was still on Prozac (and had just made the decision to wean off). He went back for a retest about 2 weeks later and T was " normal " . But I can't remember if we were told what the number was and I don't know what " normal " is. His libido has NEVER been in question--he has one of the most overactive libidos I know--even when he was on Prozac, Wellbutrin, Trazodone, etc. (He's still on Wellbutrin and Klonopin) Even when he was suffering from mind-numbing, bone crushing depression (which I'm starting to see rearing its ugly head again from this last round of job loss...), he had a strong libido. So I guess I never questioned

that his testosterone levels might be less than normal.

[Guest guest]

Hey Steve! - What do you mean by " PE " ? Do you mean, " penile

enlargement " ? If so, that ain't gonna happen! It may SEEM like it

does if the quality of your erections improves. But in reality,

NOTHING make ones penis enlarge. Even surgery doesn't. If anyone

claims surgey does, then they mean it made the penis longer, not

bigger. So what you wind up with through surgery is a long skinny

penis. I'll take a solid average penis with slight above

average 'girth' anyday. Thank you very much! LOL!

Aloha for now,

Wayne

> >

> > Possibly, but his libido has been that way for the past 20 years

I've

> > known him and he's only been on the Wellbutrin for about 2!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Premature Ejaculation. :-)

Hey Steve! - What do you mean by " PE " ? Do you mean, " penile

enlargement " ? If so, that ain't gonna happen! It may SEEM like it

does if the quality of your erections improves. But in reality,

NOTHING make ones penis enlarge. Even surgery doesn't. If anyone

claims surgey does, then they mean it made the penis longer, not

bigger. So what you wind up with through surgery is a long skinny

penis. I'll take a solid average penis with slight above

average 'girth' anyday. Thank you very much! LOL!

Aloha for now,

Wayne

[Guest guest]

He's on Wellbutrin, Klonopin, Adderall (diagnosed last year as ADD). No more Prozac. PE was never an issue before Prozac and certainly not an issue while on it. In fact, just the opposite! That is one issue that's resolved itself since he's been off the Prozac though. It's funny (not really) how all "they" tell you about potential side effects of SSRIs is possible effect on libido. I had no idea until recently that PE and ED were issues as well.Steve wrote: Wellbutrin in my case, increased my libido significantly, did not help on ED or PE. I wonder how he would do if he is off Wellbutrin. What medication he is on right now? Possibly, but his libido has been that way for the past 20 years I've known him and he's only been on the Wellbutrin for about 2!

Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.