Re: Doctor tells me ssri’s do not have permanent side effects!

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This is pretty common. Print out some of the files from this group's website and/or find another doctor? My husband is having the same issue. Things have improved slightly over time, but certainly not back to full recovery and at the rate (4-6 weeks) as the doctor promised. When my husband mentioned this to the doctor, he acted as though he were surprised that the Prozac could still be affecting him.coryajc wrote: Doctor tells me ssri's do not have permanent side effects! So as predicted the doctor flat out dismissed the idea of the prozaccausing my impotence as he told me ssri's do not have permanent sideeffects. And has given me a prescription of viagra! So what should I do?

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What about showing him last Saturday's Guardian in

which Glaxo Kline admit Seroxat may make people

suicidal and have sent letters to all Uk doctors. For

a start.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/medicine/story/0,,1773935,00.html

If they admit it themselves, considering they have all

the right riends in the right places (editors of top

medical journals get big salaries from the

pharmaceutical inductry!), it must be pretty blatantly

evident.

I wonder whether suicide would, according to your

doctor come under the heading " negative side effect " ?

Admitted, the effect may not be permanent ...

(sarcasm).

You can also show him some of the publications Vornan

has put on here.

I know doctors, on average, are pretty hard headed

(stupid), but if they choose to ignore published and

widely accepted evidence, they are not fot for their

job. You can tell them this and report the incident to

the (medical) OMBUDSMAN.

I think St wort is still a bit better. St. 's

wort outsells Prozac 25 to 1, showing that doctors and

patients there understand that the herbal remedy works

as well as the synthetic ones for mild to moderate

depression

(http://www.medicalndx.com/viewazon_item.asp?item=0743200624).

I think on the continent of northern Europe medical

professioners are a bit more enlightened, on the

whole.

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He did however mention that from the result of my recent blood test a

result relative to my metabolism was very borderline so i have to have

some more blood tests in 4 weeks!!! so thats another fucking month!

The doctors dont take me seriously id guess due to my age, and my

history. Im sure they knowledge the problem exists im just not sure

they give a fuck about fixing it.

Meaning im going to have to really know what im talking about, and

keep forcing them to help me!

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It does not provide psychiatric or medical care. All medications and

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[Guest guest]

I'd show him the LAtimes article and the case studies paper that was

published. I don't think any doctor can outright dismiss this problem

anymore if stuff like this keeps coming out.

The thing that bugs me is the doctors I've seen say they see this

problem " all the time " in people with a history of anxiety/depression

and psychiatric med use, which tells me that they don't really

understand what I'm talking about. Interestingly the only two doctors

who haven't said that, and were totally surprised to hear it, were

the two psychiatrists I've seen.

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> The thing that bugs me is the doctors I've seen say

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> problem " all the time " in people with a history of

> anxiety/depression

well it is becomeing well established, now, after 15

years of reports, that people with minor work or

girl-friend/boy-friend problems (NOT DEPRESSED) may

become suicidal as a result of SSRI's; see my previous

posting

> and psychiatric med use, which tells me that they

> don't really

> understand what I'm talking about.

well they have their wife and kids and mortgage that

they are interested in. that's why its good to mention

something like an ombudsman, a bit a threat (to their

mortgage), plus they are not that bright , i.e.

struggling (on the whole)

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> only two doctors

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> the two psychiatrists I've seen.

good. they have

1. a better trainin not just a training as carpenter

(for the body)

2. better social skills

3. a wider interest (unless they are the pill

prescribing medics who have been to lazy to train

themselves properly)

good guys to stay in contact with.

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JR wrote: Interestingly the> only two doctors > who haven't said that, and were totally surprised to> hear it, were > the two psychiatrists I've seen. good. they have 1. a better trainin not just a training as carpenter(for the body)2. better social skills3. a wider interest (unless they are the pillprescribing medics who have been to lazy to trainthemselves properly)good guys to stay in contact with. Hmmmm..........interesting. The psychiatrist my husband sees said he was "surprised" he could still be suffering from Prozac side effects 10 weeks past discontinuing it. He's got a followup appointment this week and I'm printing out some of these articles for him to take with him.

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Change your Dr. If he/she is not willing to have an open mind, and just go by what has been reported by Pharmaceutical, then you need another Dr. I had to change a few. Some said, Serotonin level high and then low, no other changes and flat out said I was crazy thinking SSRI could cause this. Others said, they have not heard and were not expert on this. Pass me to others. It was interesting they are not expert on SSRI and its effect, but felt free to prescribe it.

Doctor tells me ssri's do not have permanent side effects!

So as predicted the doctor flat out dismissed the idea of the prozac

causing my impotence as he told me ssri's do not have permanent side

effects. And has given me a prescription of viagra!

So what should I do?

This group is for support, discussion, or educational purposes only. It does not provide psychiatric or medical care. All medications and supplements should be taken under a doctor's supervision.

[Guest guest]

I think it is possible to convince doctors in a rational manner that

this problem is real and does in fact exist. I've been able to

convince two. Vornan's paper and the subsequent article in the LA

Times should help.

Of course there are those who won't listen regardless. In that case

you need to switch ASAP. It is an uphill battle, but as word

spreads, it will gradually make things easier.

Luther

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> > So as predicted the doctor flat out dismissed the idea of the

prozac

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side

> > effects. And has given me a prescription of viagra!

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> > So what should I do?

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[Guest guest]

Well, keeping in mind this worlds social environment, today, does tend

to call one to be politically correct in order to be functionally

persuasive.

So keeping in line with this thought, I would like to digress, and as

a first act of persuasion, recommend taking Vornan's article;

" Persistent sexual side effects after quitting SSRIs.pdf " ,

( http://tny.se/1N9 )

to the your doctors office to convey to his intellectial and

professional abilities.

Of course if this doesn't work, well, there is still my previous

suggestion as a consideration.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks again for the input Wayne.

We need to hear from each other, unfortunately, by this group to

express our personal frustrations with SSRI's and the course of

actions we are taking to remedy this situation.

Together we can find hope.

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> > > So what should I do?

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[Guest guest]

Vornan's new SSRI article on Persistent sexual side

effects, shrunk, again. The first one I shrunk didn't work

http://tny.se/1Nk

Good work Vornan.

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[Guest guest]

Right on. Apologies for the previous posting, I know

your frustration. Take care.

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> Well, keeping in mind this worlds social

> environment, today, does tend

> to call one to be politically correct in order to be

> functionally

> persuasive.

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> So keeping in line with this thought, I would like

> to digress, and as

> a first act of persuasion, recommend taking Vornan's

> article;

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> " Persistent sexual side effects after quitting

> SSRIs.pdf " ,

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> ( http://tny.se/1N9 )

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> to the your doctors office to convey to his

> intellectial and

> professional abilities.

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> Of course if this doesn't work, well, there is still

> my previous

> suggestion as a consideration.

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> > > > So as predicted the doctor flat out dismissed

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> > > idea of the prozac

> > > > causing my impotence as he told me ssri's do

> not

> > > have permanent side

> > > > effects. And has given me a prescription of

> > > viagra!

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> > > > So what should I do?

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[Guest guest]

Much appreciated everyone, chances are though if his this ignorant

toward the possibility even after showing him the paperwork,

progressing forward will still be an issue.

What tests do I need to force? What key things should he be looking for?

P.s The gun idea whilst appealing just isn't going to happen as I'm in

the uk.

[Guest guest]

1. Go to a different doctor in the same practice;

suggest to get a second opinion with another doctor.

Yopu can also ask for transfer to another practice

(you will have to give a reason).

2. Ask for contact details of the overseeing NHS

authority because you want to file a complaint about

unprofessional behaviour. They will say that they only

follow government guidelines ( " befehl ist befehl "

during the second world war!) and in fact UK doctors

are to a large extent indeed pieces of furniture,

rather than independently thinking people.

3. You can still complain about such behaviour, first

with the NHS.

4. You can also call " NHS-direct " and ask for their

opinion, and their advice (I always tell them directly

that I think my GPs are pieces of furniture and I can

underpin it.

5. Lastly you can contact the NHS Ombudsman. He is

independent and you can file a complaint

6. If nothings legally etc. helps, and they really

behave like that and ignore you as an individual in

your own right, I am sure that in the end, you can go

to the European court in Strassbourg. They are there

to protect individuals, even against their own

government, if need be.

But I think some paperwork should wake them up. Take

the Guardian thing about suicide of last Saturday and

the article in Psychotherapy and Psychosomatics. You

can, of course also contact a newspaper, and say that

you want to stay annonymous, which I presume you do.

In that case I would contact a reputable one, such as

the Guardian, who has already demonstrated an

interest, rather then the gossipy " News of the

World " , " The Sun " or " The Mirror " (who, moreover, may

well be on the side of big business).

Success, JR

--- coryajc wrote:

> Much appreciated everyone, chances are though if his

> this ignorant

> toward the possibility even after showing him the

> paperwork,

> progressing forward will still be an issue.

> What tests do I need to force? What key things

> should he be looking for?

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