Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 This disease is interesting because its supposed to be an autoimmune disease caused by cross-reactivity of B-cells against Strep pyogenes antigens. (I dont know what the evidence for that causition is.) The interesting thing is that it resolves. I dont know if anyone has ever tried to explain why it resolves and other possibly-autoimmune diseases such as MS fail to resolve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 how can they make thatstatement. rheumatic fever often leads to rheumatic heart disease which is something that doesn't resolve, it chisels years off your life expectantsy.these must be the researchers/scientists with the seeing eye dogs that make these statements.(rich's buddies) > > This disease is interesting because its supposed to be an autoimmune > disease caused by cross-reactivity of B-cells against Strep pyogenes > antigens. (I dont know what the evidence for that causition is.) > > The interesting thing is that it resolves. I dont know if anyone has > ever tried to explain why it resolves and other possibly-autoimmune > diseases such as MS fail to resolve. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 > how can they make thatstatement. rheumatic fever often leads to > rheumatic heart disease which is something that doesn't resolve, it > chisels years off your life expectantsy. But, if you believe this source, it sounds like the problem might be damage rather than ongoing inflammation: " In approximately 75% of cases, the acute attack lasts only 6 weeks. Ninety percent of cases resolve in 12 weeks or less. Fewer than 5% of patients have symptoms that persist for 6 months or more. " [...] " Prognosis: Sequelae are limited to the heart and are dependent upon the severity of the carditis during the acute attack. " http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic509.htm I wonder what happens in the nonresolving cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Well, it depends on when the damage is done. Do you know for sure that it gets worse after the acute manifestation of the disease? One of my uncles died as a young man from the heart damage he sustained as a child from rheumatic fever. On the other hand, I think my Dad had it too, and he is one of the healthiest 78 year olds around. Strong! - Kate On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 09:57 PM, dumbaussie2000 wrote: > how can they make thatstatement. rheumatic fever often leads to > rheumatic heart disease which is something that doesn't resolve, it > chisels years off your life expectantsy.these must be the > researchers/scientists with the seeing eye dogs that make these > statements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 eric i was just responding to what truly happens and what they claim happens.the scientific community are way off target when i read what they claim about us.there's also this no pathogen chase that really pisses me off. a srep pyogenes in your throat is going to take advantage of every oppurtunity presented to it. > > > > how can they make thatstatement. rheumatic fever often leads to > > rheumatic heart disease which is something that doesn't resolve, it > > chisels years off your life expectantsy. > > But, if you believe this source, it sounds like the problem might be > damage rather than ongoing inflammation: > > " In approximately 75% of cases, the acute attack lasts only 6 weeks. > Ninety percent of cases resolve in 12 weeks or less. Fewer than 5% of > patients have symptoms that persist for 6 months or more. " > > [...] > > " Prognosis: Sequelae are limited to the heart and are dependent upon > the severity of the carditis during the acute attack. " > > http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic509.htm > > I wonder what happens in the nonresolving cases. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 Yeah, emedicine.com doesnt exactly fully settle the issue for me. I can imagine what they probably say about CFS. > eric > i was just responding to what truly happens and what they claim > happens.the scientific community are way off target when i read what > they claim about us.there's also this no pathogen chase that really > pisses me off. a srep pyogenes in your throat is going to take > advantage of every oppurtunity presented to it. > > > how can they make thatstatement. rheumatic fever often leads to > > > rheumatic heart disease which is something that doesn't resolve, > it > > > chisels years off your life expectantsy. > > But, if you believe this source, it sounds like the problem might > be > > damage rather than ongoing inflammation: > > > > " In approximately 75% of cases, the acute attack lasts only 6 > weeks. > > Ninety percent of cases resolve in 12 weeks or less. Fewer than 5% > of > > patients have symptoms that persist for 6 months or more. " > > > > [...] > > > > " Prognosis: Sequelae are limited to the heart and are dependent > upon > > the severity of the carditis during the acute attack. " > > > > http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic509.htm > > > > I wonder what happens in the nonresolving cases. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 My mom had rheumatic fever in her early teens and that is when the RA started. Of course this was during the depression, but her uncle was her doctor and he said they were directly related. , Joy <jhoorm01@...> wrote: > > I had this twice as a child. I was wondering if anyone else with RA has had this > and that maybe they are linked somehow. My rheumatologist said she didn't think > so but I was just wondering.... > > > Joy > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Visit Joy's Homepage and Reading Room! > http://jhoormann-ivil.tripod.com > Come see My Dog Salsa! > http://www.geocities.com/jhoorm01/Salsa.html > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 I had it as a kid. Ended up with a heart murmer, or however it is spelled. Rose On Nov 14, 2006, at 9:32 PM, Joy wrote: > I had this twice as a child. I was wondering if anyone else with RA > has had this > and that maybe they are linked somehow. My rheumatologist said she > didn't think > so but I was just wondering.... > > Joy > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Visit Joy's Homepage and Reading Room! > http://jhoormann-ivil.tripod.com > Come see My Dog Salsa! > http://www.geocities.com/jhoorm01/Salsa.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Hi Rose Well I just remember how my joints ached so bad and thought how similar I feel now with RA except without the high fevers. I also have a heart murmur and mitral valve prolapse. Joy Rose <rmmcg@...> wrote: I had it as a kid. Ended up with a heart murmer, or however it is spelled. Rose On Nov 14, 2006, at 9:32 PM, Joy wrote: > I had this twice as a child. I was wondering if anyone else with RA > has had this > and that maybe they are linked somehow. My rheumatologist said she > didn't think > so but I was just wondering.... > > Joy > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Visit Joy's Homepage and Reading Room! > http://jhoormann-ivil.tripod.com > Come see My Dog Salsa! > http://www.geocities.com/jhoorm01/Salsa.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 You are right, about the aching joints. Though I was only 8 when I was dx with rheumatic fever and dx with RA when I was 58, so I easily forget how I felt then. But the joint pains and the fatigue are very simular. Rose On Nov 15, 2006, at 12:42 PM, Joy wrote: > Hi Rose > Well I just remember how my joints ached so bad and thought how > similar > I feel now with RA except without the high fevers. I also have a > heart murmur and > mitral valve prolapse. > Joy > > Rose <rmmcg@...> wrote: > I had it as a kid. Ended up with a heart murmer, or however it is > spelled. > > Rose > On Nov 14, 2006, at 9:32 PM, Joy wrote: > > > I had this twice as a child. I was wondering if anyone else with RA > > has had this > > and that maybe they are linked somehow. My rheumatologist said she > > didn't think > > so but I was just wondering.... > > > > Joy > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Visit Joy's Homepage and Reading Room! > > http://jhoormann-ivil.tripod.com > > Come see My Dog Salsa! > > http://www.geocities.com/jhoorm01/Salsa.html > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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