Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 >Just thought you people that place a lot of emphasis on natural >stories may rethink the hype taught when you see that on 2 occasions>allicin/garlic fail to exhibit any antimicrobial properties. Tony, What does this mean? Could you use straight language? Did you try to press fresh garlic onto your plates? What happened? And who are the "you people that place a lot of emphasis on natural stories"? Nelly [infections] allicin test Just thought you people that place a lot of emphasis on natural stories may rethink the hype taught when you see that on 2 occasions allicin/garlic fail to exhibit any antimicrobial properties.The excitement again from this sample is the potential to help this patient greatly with colchicin an arthritis(gout) medicine.I have also on occasion been told off for really pushing the envelope with people and there claims-on blood thinning agents?I mean you just can't afford to sit thru sometimes expensive therapies for no gain and dud promises.As I said to one smart ass doctor BUDDY!! DON"T WORRY, I"LL GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS...WHILE POINTING VERY AGGRESIVELY IN HIS DIRECTION.tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Nelly look in he photos' section and notice how useless the slice of garlic was.no inhabition zone.It's this type of testing that doesn't stack up and is preached as gospel(it kills bacteria and fungus) all over the forums. that annoys me.GArlic for me when I broke open the capsules or given the top allicin, even tried crushed, now a slice - hasn't done squat.This is why I get off side with you people when I harp about please supply some facts about products instaed of making poor blanket claims.There's this lady that come onto the fibromyalgia forum that swore colchicin is the best drug she had ever used and it kept her cured. On the staph sample and this pseudonomads sample the colchicine for this person has been an awesome drug. So again go to the photo and pay close attention to the garlic versus mr. pseudonmads the bacteria not only doesn't have a problem, it seems slightly more prolific around the nutrients of the garlic. > > >Just thought you people that place a lot of emphasis on natural > >stories may rethink the hype taught when you see that on 2 occasions > >allicin/garlic fail to exhibit any antimicrobial properties. > > Tony, > > What does this mean? Could you use straight language? Did you try to press fresh garlic onto your plates? What happened? > > And who are the " you people that place a lot of emphasis on natural stories " ? > > Nelly > [infections] allicin test > > > Just thought you people that place a lot of emphasis on natural > stories may rethink the hype taught when you see that on 2 occasions > allicin/garlic fail to exhibit any antimicrobial properties.The > excitement again from this sample is the potential to help this > patient greatly with colchicin an arthritis(gout) medicine. > I have also on occasion been told off for really pushing the envelope > with people and there claims-on blood thinning agents? > I mean you just can't afford to sit thru sometimes expensive therapies > for no gain and dud promises.As I said to one smart ass doctor BUDDY!! > DON " T WORRY, I " LL GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS...WHILE POINTING VERY > AGGRESIVELY IN HIS DIRECTION. > tony > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Tony, Can you answer this simple question: did you crush a fresh clove of garlic until you got a drop of liquid, and is that what you dropped on top of one of your bacterial growth? I do not understand what the slice of garlic sitting in the middle of the plate means. You need to crush the garlic to get the allicin released. Please, no emotive judgemental raves about "you people who buy all the natural crap"!!!! I do NOT buy any "natural crap"!!! There is no difference between drugs and "natural crap" it's all chemical substances and some are effective and others are not. That's what we are all trying to decide on. And you do not know me, and you know zilcth about what I think, so get off you soap box and try and answer straight questions, if you can. Nelly [infections] allicin test> > > Just thought you people that place a lot of emphasis on natural > stories may rethink the hype taught when you see that on 2 occasions > allicin/garlic fail to exhibit any antimicrobial properties.The > excitement again from this sample is the potential to help this > patient greatly with colchicin an arthritis(gout) medicine.> I have also on occasion been told off for really pushing the envelope > with people and there claims-on blood thinning agents?> I mean you just can't afford to sit thru sometimes expensive therapies > for no gain and dud promises.As I said to one smart ass doctor BUDDY!! > DON"T WORRY, I"LL GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS...WHILE POINTING VERY > AGGRESIVELY IN HIS DIRECTION.> tony> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Hey Nelly, he probably means me and he's been very good to me. I wanted him to test the allicin so I sent him some. I'm not pleased at the lack of inhibition....considering they're touting it for MRSA at professional meetings. I have to figure this out. It sure TASTES like fresh garlic. And certainly from the Weizzman institute et al, there is tons of evidence that the allicin molecule is potent. > > > > >Just thought you people that place a lot of emphasis on natural > > >stories may rethink the hype taught when you see that on 2 > occasions > > >allicin/garlic fail to exhibit any antimicrobial properties. > > > > Tony, > > > > What does this mean? Could you use straight language? Did you try > to press fresh garlic onto your plates? What happened? > > > > And who are the " you people that place a lot of emphasis on > natural stories " ? > > > > Nelly > > [infections] allicin test > > > > > > Just thought you people that place a lot of emphasis on natural > > stories may rethink the hype taught when you see that on 2 > occasions > > allicin/garlic fail to exhibit any antimicrobial properties.The > > excitement again from this sample is the potential to help this > > patient greatly with colchicin an arthritis(gout) medicine. > > I have also on occasion been told off for really pushing the > envelope > > with people and there claims-on blood thinning agents? > > I mean you just can't afford to sit thru sometimes expensive > therapies > > for no gain and dud promises.As I said to one smart ass doctor > BUDDY!! > > DON " T WORRY, I " LL GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS...WHILE POINTING > VERY > > AGGRESIVELY IN HIS DIRECTION. > > tony > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Nelly The slice of garlic would disperse allicin into it's surroundings in the agar. Agar like muller hinton is designed to allow substances to disperse farther and wider than most others. I also recall an incident wherby you got pissed at me because on experimental I wanted more sceince on tumeric (I believe). I try and make a point that sitting there talking CRAP(not you in general) isn't helping people, you need facts.Remember drugs turn from helpfull to useless very easily, this information is very valuable when often your attempts are measured in years- not days or weeks. I being a bit of a smart ass generally like people to get a very solid understanding of there own poroblems and how they tie into the big picture of ill health. If you have a hole in the bucket YOU MUST REPAIR THE HOLE BEFORE YOU CAN DO ANYTHING SUCCESSFULLY.I mean people are still talking infrared sauna's and every second post is about glutathione depletion. Take a step back and look at what your mission is- you glutathione may be something that needs doing after you attack the hole in the bucket. But for me it's just while your carrying high inflammation in your blood you could whistle dixie and your not going to fix anything with supplements.anyways the garlic has been tested buy me on at least 6 occasions in liquid form , as allicin, as a slice, as crushed and whatever other way -IT DFISPLAYS NO ANTIBACTERIAL ACTIONS. It may help the blood which is another important feature-other's actually carry organisms like tumeric which may turn on the production of white cells. tony > > > > >Just thought you people that place a lot of emphasis on natural > > >stories may rethink the hype taught when you see that on 2 > occasions > > >allicin/garlic fail to exhibit any antimicrobial properties. > > > > Tony, > > > > What does this mean? Could you use straight language? Did you try > to press fresh garlic onto your plates? What happened? > > > > And who are the " you people that place a lot of emphasis on > natural stories " ? > > > > Nelly > > [infections] allicin test > > > > > > Just thought you people that place a lot of emphasis on natural > > stories may rethink the hype taught when you see that on 2 > occasions > > allicin/garlic fail to exhibit any antimicrobial properties.The > > excitement again from this sample is the potential to help this > > patient greatly with colchicin an arthritis(gout) medicine. > > I have also on occasion been told off for really pushing the > envelope > > with people and there claims-on blood thinning agents? > > I mean you just can't afford to sit thru sometimes expensive > therapies > > for no gain and dud promises.As I said to one smart ass doctor > BUDDY!! > > DON " T WORRY, I " LL GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS...WHILE POINTING > VERY > > AGGRESIVELY IN HIS DIRECTION. > > tony > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Greetings, I can appreciate your antimicrobaial investigations of these various substances and sharing on this forum. Is there the possibility that a metabolite of Allicin is the active antimicrobial form. I agree with your thought on immune enhancement from tumeric or it's active component curcumin which has been shown to suppress NFKB. More attention should be paid to the status of one's immune response and finding methods of appropriate immune enhancement or suppression. I'd be interested in any studies in this area. > > > > > > >Just thought you people that place a lot of emphasis on > natural > > > >stories may rethink the hype taught when you see that on 2 > > occasions > > > >allicin/garlic fail to exhibit any antimicrobial properties. > > > > > > Tony, > > > > > > What does this mean? Could you use straight language? Did you > try > > to press fresh garlic onto your plates? What happened? > > > > > > And who are the " you people that place a lot of emphasis on > > natural stories " ? > > > > > > Nelly > > > [infections] allicin test > > > > > > > > > Just thought you people that place a lot of emphasis on > natural > > > stories may rethink the hype taught when you see that on 2 > > occasions > > > allicin/garlic fail to exhibit any antimicrobial > properties.The > > > excitement again from this sample is the potential to help > this > > > patient greatly with colchicin an arthritis(gout) medicine. > > > I have also on occasion been told off for really pushing > the > > envelope > > > with people and there claims-on blood thinning agents? > > > I mean you just can't afford to sit thru sometimes expensive > > therapies > > > for no gain and dud promises.As I said to one smart ass > doctor > > BUDDY!! > > > DON " T WORRY, I " LL GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS...WHILE POINTING > > VERY > > > AGGRESIVELY IN HIS DIRECTION. > > > tony > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Allicin is active but highly unstable. Orally its broken down by digestive juices. Allitridi one of its breakdown products is less potent but is antimicoribal and also a good antifungal. Ajoene another breakdown product is what Tony is talking about as a good blood thinner and lowers cholesterol. Traditionally allicin can only be stabilized in the lab and kept at very low temps. This company, the allicin I sent him, claims to have patented a method to stabilize it but either the sample had gone bad from not being refrigerated and being sent 12,000 miles or it's not potent in which case the studies are a fake? or a mystery i don't know. cutting garlic and putting it on the agar might not be that good as the allicin really is so highly unstable it breaks down quickly. > > > > > > > > >Just thought you people that place a lot of emphasis on > > natural > > > > >stories may rethink the hype taught when you see that on 2 > > > occasions > > > > >allicin/garlic fail to exhibit any antimicrobial properties. > > > > > > > > Tony, > > > > > > > > What does this mean? Could you use straight language? Did > you > > try > > > to press fresh garlic onto your plates? What happened? > > > > > > > > And who are the " you people that place a lot of emphasis on > > > natural stories " ? > > > > > > > > Nelly > > > > [infections] allicin test > > > > > > > > > > > > Just thought you people that place a lot of emphasis on > > natural > > > > stories may rethink the hype taught when you see that on 2 > > > occasions > > > > allicin/garlic fail to exhibit any antimicrobial > > properties.The > > > > excitement again from this sample is the potential to help > > this > > > > patient greatly with colchicin an arthritis(gout) medicine. > > > > I have also on occasion been told off for really pushing > > the > > > envelope > > > > with people and there claims-on blood thinning agents? > > > > I mean you just can't afford to sit thru sometimes > expensive > > > therapies > > > > for no gain and dud promises.As I said to one smart ass > > doctor > > > BUDDY!! > > > > DON " T WORRY, I " LL GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS...WHILE > POINTING > > > VERY > > > > AGGRESIVELY IN HIS DIRECTION. > > > > tony > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 Jill The thing is that I have tried a few different approaches to try and get a result from garlic.What your being taught is just FICTION IMO.No one on the planet is still walking it having used garlic to ward off a huge monstrous infection, BUT many have survived infection by being offered better nutrition.This is very evident of tuberculosis sufferers throughout europe, before antibiotics. > > > > > > > > > > >Just thought you people that place a lot of emphasis on > > > natural > > > > > >stories may rethink the hype taught when you see that on 2 > > > > occasions > > > > > >allicin/garlic fail to exhibit any antimicrobial > properties. > > > > > > > > > > Tony, > > > > > > > > > > What does this mean? Could you use straight language? Did > > you > > > try > > > > to press fresh garlic onto your plates? What happened? > > > > > > > > > > And who are the " you people that place a lot of emphasis on > > > > natural stories " ? > > > > > > > > > > Nelly > > > > > [infections] allicin test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just thought you people that place a lot of emphasis on > > > natural > > > > > stories may rethink the hype taught when you see that on > 2 > > > > occasions > > > > > allicin/garlic fail to exhibit any antimicrobial > > > properties.The > > > > > excitement again from this sample is the potential to > help > > > this > > > > > patient greatly with colchicin an arthritis(gout) > medicine. > > > > > I have also on occasion been told off for really pushing > > > the > > > > envelope > > > > > with people and there claims-on blood thinning agents? > > > > > I mean you just can't afford to sit thru sometimes > > expensive > > > > therapies > > > > > for no gain and dud promises.As I said to one smart ass > > > doctor > > > > BUDDY!! > > > > > DON " T WORRY, I " LL GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS...WHILE > > POINTING > > > > VERY > > > > > AGGRESIVELY IN HIS DIRECTION. > > > > > tony > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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