Re: Interesting presentation on Vitamin D

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Something I didn't know but learned from this presentation is that

you can take a LOT of vitamin D all at once,and it will not be

wasted. It will ALL be used by the body to bring your blood levels

up. So you can take 7 doses a week and be done for the week, or even

more and be done for months at a time.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that the folks at mp.com may be

right in their view that we have a vitamin D dysregulation, but that

perhaps they've got it backwards.

We now know that the 1,25d test is not reliable, and we're seeing

more reports lately of benefits to pwc who are supplementing with D.

MY 25d tested low, despite living in a sunny clime (and this

presentation gives me a better idea why that is the case). I started

supplementing with D, but I'm going to increase my intake.

penny

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Penny

There's just something missing from both camps in my opinion.I have

a cousin with MS that's been throwing in the D like crazy for 20

years and it did nothing to alternate his disease progression.I

honestly feel the D angle is only important in a very functional

body.I'm sure someone carrying themselves supremely all there life

should supplement this -but the jury is still out as far as

autoimmune people go. I still think leave it alone for now- with

your group of therapies focused on other evils instead of this one.

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Tony, I don't know about that. I tested low in D and considering the

bone problem I've got in my jaw, I think regrowing some bone could

possibly be helped by increasing D. After my surgery for the

infection in my jaw which took a chunk of bone out where the wisdom

tooth was, the bone never filled back in as it should have. I still

have a big hole there in my jaw.

This is exactly what happened to Carolyn, remember? She's the one

who wrote the medical text book and is fanatically methodical in

recording all of her test results and analyzing them. She saw a big

increase in bone density after taking large amounts of D.

I'm also hearing how people's body temperatures are changing when on

D, etc. It may help fight inflammation, and that's why it's

converting to 1,25d so quickly. Getting used up. It's possible that

having our bodies 95% covered or more, and working indoors etc. that

we really could be deficient in d. Add an infection to the mix and

who knows what kind of dysregulation is going on?

The good news is, I don't think it's likely to hurt people, the way

we were all warned off of it. Obviously, everyone's mileage will

vary.

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Gosh, I am almost ready to take the stuff, after having followed the

deprivation course for months previously. So far I have just gone back

to voraciously eating eggs and salmon etc. -- and was gardening in the

sun during the summer, but not getting any sun these days....

- Kate

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Boy oh boy, that topic is so intriguing. I did love the bit of the

presentation when he explains it's role in determining the dna to

make a particular type of cell intsead of just running an ill

defined set of commands.But I still just don't know because I think

inflammation makes calcifications all over the body and not

necessarily the bone where it's needed.Are we going to feed this

other monster?

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The whole Vit D controversy that 'you know who' started will probably

take years to filter out what's true and what's not.

People in the northern latitudes can store enough vit D in their

tissues to last about 5 or 6 months of D deprivation - so the people

who are depriving themselves of all D (including sunlight) may not

see the effects for a long time- and if they are adverse - they'll

not know it's attributal to D deprivation... and there seems to be no

way of measuring the benefits of avoiding D (I'm not so sur the D

ratio thingy has been proven at all to mean anything).

So WHERE ARE the people getting better on the unmentionable protocol?

It's been over a year that the sites been up now - so there should be

plenty of people out there that can extoll the virtues of Benicar, D

deprivation and low dose abx...

Barb

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> Gosh, I am almost ready to take the stuff, after having followed

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> deprivation course for months previously. So far I have just gone

back

> to voraciously eating eggs and salmon etc. -- and was gardening in

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> sun during the summer, but not getting any sun these days....

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I don't know either. But I was inflammed internally (verified by

tissue Pathology during surgery) and was chronic for over 25 years.

I never had calcium out of range- and my last bone density tests

showed I was still ok for someone as post menopausal as I am (went

tru menopause at 38 and I'm 57 now) and don't need medication.

Interestingly, I went UP a tenth instead of progressively down a tenth

my last test... so post abx I'm apparently not losing bone at the

rate I was - need for data though, I'll get the heel scan every year

I guess for a while.

Barb

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Barb

Aren't all of them home herxing themselves back to good health.Oops

my left leg fell off -aussie bob reply's (not his real name)- it

must be a herx.

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> > Gosh, I am almost ready to take the stuff, after having followed

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> > deprivation course for months previously. So far I have just

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> > sun during the summer, but not getting any sun these days....

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Barb said-

But I was inflammed internally (verified by

tissue Pathology during surgery) and was chronic for over 25 years.

This is the other thing everyone else on our sister forum should

start to examine before running around like headless chooks blaming

everything and the kitchen blinds for causing cfs.Inflammation is

the KEY-glutathione supplementation till the cows come home ain't

going to fix inflammation.

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Pretty funny.

Yes- every one knows that if your on that protocol

everythings a herx.

It has muddied the waters between what is and what is not.

Barb

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> > > Gosh, I am almost ready to take the stuff, after having

followed

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> > > deprivation course for months previously. So far I have just

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> > back

> > > to voraciously eating eggs and salmon etc. -- and was gardening

> in

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> > > sun during the summer, but not getting any sun these days....

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Barb, that sums the protocol up so well! Benicar, D deprivation &

low dose abx.

Well, I suppose for me, 1 out of 3 ain't bad (pretty darn good in

fact) but what a joke to push that as a cure-all for everyone even

after it's quite obvious that not everyone thrives on it! If only it

were so easy.

One of my friends, who had numerous conversations with the creator

of said unmentionable protocol, was advised to just stick with the

protocol, despite her problems with it, and even though later scans

showed a major hole in the floor of her sinuses and maxilla, along

with major bone deterioration. The only abx that's holding this

infection at bay is I.V. Unisyn and major anti-fungals, and that's

only a stop gap until they can figure out some way to fix the

problem, which is basically that the infection is rotting her head.

She's finally consulting with plastic surgeons (oral surgeons and

ENTs are basically helpless), who seem to have the best grasp of how

to tackle the problem, but still no guarantees and a great deal of

risk.

So can you imagine if she had followed the advice she received to

stick with low dose minocyline and all her troubles would fall away.

Yeah, fall right into the grave.

This is what people don't understand. These infections can manifest

in numerous ways, preying on our weaknesses. When you're trying to

fix something, you've got to have more than one tool in your tool

box, or you're not going to get very far.

That's why I like people like Stratton who are flexible with

treatment and covering a lot of bases with their protocol. They seem

to have a much better grasp of infection in general.

I think everyone who focuses on one treatment or one diagnosis is

setting themselves up for failure, unless they get really lucky.

penny

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> > > > Gosh, I am almost ready to take the stuff, after having

> followed

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> > > > deprivation course for months previously. So far I have just

> > gone

> > > back

> > > > to voraciously eating eggs and salmon etc. -- and was

gardening

> > in

> > > the

> > > > sun during the summer, but not getting any sun these days....

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[Guest guest]

Well, that's a really good point. You've always got to wonder WHY

you're depleted in a particular nutrient. It may be a protective

mechanism in itself. hmmmmm. I'm going to keep experimenting with the

D for now. I've heard a number of good reports which makes this guinea

pig ready for another go-round. :-)

<dumbaussie2000@y...> wrote:

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> Boy oh boy, that topic is so intriguing. I did love the bit of the

> presentation when he explains it's role in determining the dna to

> make a particular type of cell intsead of just running an ill

> defined set of commands.But I still just don't know because I think

> inflammation makes calcifications all over the body and not

> necessarily the bone where it's needed.Are we going to feed this

> other monster?

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[Guest guest]

On Saturday, November 12, 2005, at 09:32 AM, Barb Peck wrote:

> So WHERE ARE the people getting better on the unmentionable protocol?

> It's been over a year that the sites been up now - so there should be

> plenty of people out there that can extoll the virtues of Benicar, D

> deprivation and low dose abx...

I noticed that the time period after which one should expect to see

significant improvement has been extended again.

- Kate

[Guest guest]

Kate

I noticed that the time period after which one should expect to see

> significant improvement has been extended again.

What by a millenium maybe.There's no way on this earth that a

protocol which JUST DOESN " T ADDRESS the size of the problem is going

to succeed.To me the guy is pissing on bushfires while fanning them.

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> > So WHERE ARE the people getting better on the unmentionable

protocol?

> > It's been over a year that the sites been up now - so there

should be

> > plenty of people out there that can extoll the virtues of

Benicar, D

> > deprivation and low dose abx...

>

> I noticed that the time period after which one should expect to

see

> significant improvement has been extended again.

>

> - Kate

>

[Guest guest]

Clearly the possibility that interruption of 1,25-d and ATR1

signalling will broadly render these diseases curable by abx can now

be excluded, by looking at the (scattered) observational data.

However, in the online community there are those who had used many

months of strong treatment in the past but enjoy greater success with

the _____ protocol. Joyce, and to a greater extent, Lonestar, and this

older pilot/farmer (both?) guy who posted once, come to mind. I

certainly may be missing some people. But they are few indeed compared

to the very large number who attempted the treatment.

> > So WHERE ARE the people getting better on the unmentionable

protocol?

> > It's been over a year that the sites been up now - so there should

be

> > plenty of people out there that can extoll the virtues of Benicar,

D

> > deprivation and low dose abx...

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> I noticed that the time period after which one should expect to see

> significant improvement has been extended again.

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> - Kate

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[Guest guest]

Yes, and there are many on the RA protocol, using low dose mino,

who seem to benefit greatly from the protocol, and many of those

people have numerous " autoimmune " issues as well.

There's just no black and white in these illness, which is the truth

that the ______ protocol refuses to acknowledge.

penny

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> Clearly the possibility that interruption of 1,25-d and ATR1

> signalling will broadly render these diseases curable by abx can

now

> be excluded, by looking at the (scattered) observational data.

>

> However, in the online community there are those who had used many

> months of strong treatment in the past but enjoy greater success

with

> the _____ protocol. Joyce, and to a greater extent, Lonestar, and

this

> older pilot/farmer (both?) guy who posted once, come to mind. I

> certainly may be missing some people. But they are few indeed

compared

> to the very large number who attempted the treatment.

>

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> > > So WHERE ARE the people getting better on the unmentionable

> protocol?

> > > It's been over a year that the sites been up now - so there

should

> be

> > > plenty of people out there that can extoll the virtues of

Benicar,

> D

> > > deprivation and low dose abx...

> >

> > I noticed that the time period after which one should expect to

see

> > significant improvement has been extended again.

> >

> > - Kate

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[Guest guest]

<dumbaussie2000@y...> wrote:

'Oops my left leg fell off' - aussie bob replies. (not his real name)-

'it must be a herx'.'

LOL!

Yeah, what was your first clue again?

[Guest guest]

It's somewhat exciting to read that Penny. I found that one chap

having only staph areus dominating his arthritic condition IMO would

jump ahead leaps and bounds on any minocycline protocol. The low

dose was possably aimed at the- highly responsive-adverse effects

group.The sad part was he was only interested in knocking out his

immune system with some whippy do new thing.

tony

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> > Clearly the possibility that interruption of 1,25-d and ATR1

> > signalling will broadly render these diseases curable by abx can

> now

> > be excluded, by looking at the (scattered) observational data.

> >

> > However, in the online community there are those who had used

many

> > months of strong treatment in the past but enjoy greater success

> with

> > the _____ protocol. Joyce, and to a greater extent, Lonestar,

and

> this

> > older pilot/farmer (both?) guy who posted once, come to mind. I

> > certainly may be missing some people. But they are few indeed

> compared

> > to the very large number who attempted the treatment.

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> > > > So WHERE ARE the people getting better on the unmentionable

> > protocol?

> > > > It's been over a year that the sites been up now - so there

> should

> > be

> > > > plenty of people out there that can extoll the virtues of

> Benicar,

> > D

> > > > deprivation and low dose abx...

> > >

> > > I noticed that the time period after which one should expect

to

> see

> > > significant improvement has been extended again.

> > >

> > > - Kate

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[Guest guest]

Yep, gotta watch out for the whippy doos.

:-)

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> It's somewhat exciting to read that Penny. I found that one chap

> having only staph areus dominating his arthritic condition IMO would

> jump ahead leaps and bounds on any minocycline protocol. The low

> dose was possably aimed at the- highly responsive-adverse effects

> group.The sad part was he was only interested in knocking out his

> immune system with some whippy do new thing.

> tony

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