Re: Re: depression and CFS

[Guest guest]

Um, well, my knees don't swell anymore, so this doctor has never seen

them that way. They only did that for the first year I was sick. And

all my lab values are normal, except the white blood cell count kept

going low. Every time I mentioned that one, the doctor told me the same

story about how some people just normally have some abnormal values,

like he himself has low something or other and there's absolutely

nothing wrong with him. Or maybe I had a virus at the time (even though

I don't get viruses anymore.) Oh, and yah, I test positive for Lyme at

IGeneX but my doc believes that one even less than you do, Tony.

I went in there partly to try to get an H pylori test for my son, whose

digestive tract has hurt for years. Seeing as how people with

somatisation disorders demand lots of unreasonable tests, I can see I'm

not going to get far with that request. He headed it off at the pass

anyway by lecturing me and then telling me we were out of time. I

guess I should just accept that I'm making my son sick. Amazing how I

was able to make him sick so fast -- already by the time he was 9

months old. In fact, so much did I brainwash my son into thinking he

has Lyme disease, that his blood even started testing positive for it

at the same foreign lab!

- Kate

On Wednesday, January 11, 2006, at 08:43 PM, dumbaussie2000 wrote:

> Kate

> Sorry to chime in here. What you possably need is a major shift in

> diagnosis. Swelling in the knee's- blood thickness issues?heart

> disease issues?You need to get alternative diagnosis if your blood

> is a mess and your heart ain't pumping hard enough-90/50 bp.Then 

> you can point to these to set your doctor straight.

> I found it's important to have these variables that ain't pointing

> to perfect health in your charts so that your doctor can see that

> your not in the same range as many of his other patients.I just find

> you need to accumulate as many of these as possable to get A +

> help.A BP of 80/50, 90/50 in medicine is also diagnosable as heart

> infection- not!! everything's normal..

[Guest guest]

If he is suggesting that you are responsible for your son's illness I believe that fall under Munchausins by Proxy rather than somatization. A very serious accusation. People have had their children taken from them for this reason. I would take the advice of others here. You need to move on. Marie Barb Peck <egroups1bp@...> wrote: Kate:Nelly is giving you good advice.Because he thinks somehow you are in any way responsible for your son not feeling well - is cause enough in my mind to drop the guy becuase this indicates you ARE the problem. And I'd do in it in a careful way.Barb> > >

Kate,> > >My physician just told me that CFS patients are usually depressed before they get CFS and that's what the >literature says. I said that wasn't true. We are finally having a showdown about issues like this.> > Why bother? I personally wouldn't even dream of> > a) wasting time and energy talking to such a doctor,> > wasting time and energy reading any of the literature that claims to look into "CFS" especially studies that claim to look into the relationship btwn CFS and depression, or studies that have the word "somatisation" in them.> > I'm going to do a Tony on you and I'll say just one thing: MOVE

ON!> > Nelly>

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[Guest guest]

What's clarithromycin?

I'm also taking antidepressants, which I hate. I believe my one of my problems is allergies to some things I haven't pinpointed yet. Plus MCS, CFS, sleep apnea.

How do those of you with CFS explain the depression or deal with it? I don't think I'm that depressed, but my head is foggy, my energy low, stamina low. I take cortisol for adrenal support.

I'm afraid to come off the antidepressants because what if I really do need them? I know that when I start a new one, I feel better. But after a couple of years, it's hard to tell if I'm any better--because the CFS symptoms are so intrusive in my life. Know what I mean?

Thanks.

Ann

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of drgaftopSent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 3:03 PMinfections Subject: [infections] Re: depression and CFSI'll never forget how a year of depression began to melt away after my first several weeks on clarithromycin. I recall my wife's jubilance that I actually woke up, got up whistling. Funny how feeling a little better makes you have a lot less depression. I wonder, could a toxic system have anything to do with being depressed??? I took the rest of my amitrypilene/elavil and flushed it.What a farce.> > > > > Kate,> > > > > > >My physician just told me that CFS patients are usually > depressed > > > before they get CFS and that's what the >literature says. I said > that > > > wasn't true. We are finally having a showdown about issues like > this.> > > > > > Why bother? I personally wouldn't even dream of> > > > > > a) wasting time and energy talking to such a doctor,> > > > > > wasting time and energy reading any of the literature that > claims > > > to look into "CFS" especially studies that claim to look into > the > > > relationship btwn CFS and depression, or studies that have the > word > > > "somatisation" in them.> > > > > > I'm going to do a Tony on you and I'll say just one thing: MOVE > ON!> > > > > > Nelly> >>