Jill

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Jill ,Interesting term " tamper with nature " Too true ..But isn't it a case

of nature tampering with us ! Our IS's are downgraded, evaded so stressed

out that we don't muster enough components of our IS to give a credible

fight. The Anergy we display to infection is profound ..all in all no

contest, the pathogens have us for a meal ticket.

So whats next ..big time antibiotics ? Kill the infection! well no, some do

well on high dose abx's but the majority don't, it's well documented that

high dose abx in most cases do not cure, We hope that blocking the

inflammatory response with ARB's allowing the IS to work unhindered as it

were plus abx's will do the trick but it's far from a certainty.

While i take your point that these drugs are not to be taken lightly We also

need to evaluate every treatment plan.... possible risks against possible

benefits ..I put the argument that we cannot afford to ignore any possible

beneficial therapy .we are just not in a bargaining position ... " I would

rather kill the infection than tamper with nature " is just not an option at

the moment.

On the drugs you quote it's clear that using ARB's to control inflammation

would be far more effective than Remicaid . And Tysabri was one fatality &

one possible complication in 8,000 patients Those patients being extremely

ill with MS.

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hmn/W00/mu_10.html

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I wouldn't disagree with your analogy with TB at all....or with abx therapy based on TB lines ..it's just that we have "extra's" compromised gut flora is a real monkey on your back ...I wouldn't contemplate any risky therapy abx or immune boosting unless I had my full compliment of LAB on board...Just throwing drugs mindlessly at the problem is nuts ...judging when your not mindless is the trick.. How to access therapy to restore normal gut flora is vitally important .Unfortunately one doctor in the UK who was worth approaching is no longer taking patients ,

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of dumbaussie2000Sent: 27 September 2005 18:40infections Subject: [infections] Re: JillThe treatment of infections in autoimmune is poorly performed.Remember that big infections need smart therapy. Tuberculosis is treated aggressively and somewhat monitored for a couple of years.They often start with three and even four drugs in the beginning.To me the eye opener for us is that we often have a bigger infection than tuberculsosis, (tb isn't as debilitating). You then look thru the chaemotherapy (antibiotics treatments) and find an article which sums up why we don't have it right when they use 12 grams a day of tetracycline for the tb organism.I don't recommend anyone try this, but I think in desperation with resistant treatmnent they have thrown this in to the mix.So if we want to feel better it seems we can achieve it sometimes with our chaemotherapy- but! doing a protocol that is designed to get the job done is another story.> > Jill ,Interesting term "tamper with nature" Too true ..But isn't it a case> of nature tampering with us ! Our IS's are downgraded, evaded so stressed> out that we don't muster enough components of our IS to give a credible> fight. The Anergy we display to infection is profound ..all in all no> contest, the pathogens have us for a meal ticket.> > So whats next ..big time antibiotics ? Kill the infection! well no, some do> well on high dose abx's but the majority don't, it's well documented that> high dose abx in most cases do not cure, We hope that blocking the> inflammatory response with ARB's allowing the IS to work unhindered as it> were plus abx's will do the trick but it's far from a certainty.> While i take your point that these drugs are not to be taken lightly We also> need to evaluate every treatment plan.... possible risks against possible> benefits ..I put the argument that we cannot afford to ignore any possible> beneficial therapy .we are just not in a bargaining position ... "I would> rather kill the infection than tamper with nature" is just not an option at> the moment.> > > > > On the drugs you quote it's clear that using ARB's to control inflammation> would be far more effective than Remicaid . And Tysabri was one fatality & > one possible complication in 8,000 patients Those patients being extremely> ill with MS.> > http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hmn/W00/mu_10.html> > > > > --> No virus found in this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.> Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.7/112 - Release Date: 26/09/2005