Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Tony: One thing I leaned about some classes of abx, and some types of bacteria... it's not ALWAYS high dose that kills them - with some bacteria, reaction time is more important (i.e. how long they're exposed to the drug). And the reasoning for combo drugs is good- one drug kills a few, but morphs the survivors into a variant- and the other drug class kills the variant, and drives the rest of the variants back to the classical form and hoping the whole time you aren't giving rise to genetic resistance. Barb > > > > Jill ,Interesting term " tamper with nature " Too true ..But isn't > it a case > > of nature tampering with us ! Our IS's are downgraded, evaded so > stressed > > out that we don't muster enough components of our IS to give a > credible > > fight. The Anergy we display to infection is profound ..all in all > no > > contest, the pathogens have us for a meal ticket. > > > > So whats next ..big time antibiotics ? Kill the infection! well > no, some do > > well on high dose abx's but the majority don't, it's well > documented that > > high dose abx in most cases do not cure, We hope that blocking the > > inflammatory response with ARB's allowing the IS to work > unhindered as it > > were plus abx's will do the trick but it's far from a certainty. > > While i take your point that these drugs are not to be taken > lightly We also > > need to evaluate every treatment plan.... possible risks against > possible > > benefits ..I put the argument that we cannot afford to ignore any > possible > > beneficial therapy .we are just not in a bargaining > position ... " I would > > rather kill the infection than tamper with nature " is just not an > option at > > the moment. > > > > > > > > > > On the drugs you quote it's clear that using ARB's to control > inflammation > > would be far more effective than Remicaid . And Tysabri was one > fatality & > > one possible complication in 8,000 patients Those patients being > extremely > > ill with MS. > > > > http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hmn/W00/mu_10.html > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.7/112 - Release Date: > 26/09/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Barb The whole thing needs some good science. I also believe that if your doing enough at the edge of a rot zone, infected with bacteria, the strength and duration may be overkill.This is why possably with true rheumatic disease there may be no help in increasing what is already adequate to improve the situation at hand.I think people having hip and knee replacements end up with something rotting coming out, so I would do the science on them possably to see what is more effective.Unfortuantely a lot of therapy attempted actually grows the infection time and time again that no-one is aware of.You'll actually observe most people on cfs forums DON " T LIKE ANTIBIOTICS because of this negativity-possably due to bad drug choice.I feel half got ill due to poor antibiotic choice, or possably even method of delivery putting things into the gut instead of the bloodstream may have created that toxic gut that never recovers.I suppose tjhis arguement is never going to bare fruit because of the complexety of each individual case of autoimmune. But to finish off, I would definatey be doing triple therapy and modify the drugs to suit the individual- I think you'll also notice the ;long term attempts here without that huge breakthru instead a holding pattern being more the norm that drive me to the conclusion of attacking from three sides to make sure the progress is strong and steady.Off course I have not given strengths required? tony B > > > > > > Jill ,Interesting term " tamper with nature " Too true ..But > isn't > > it a case > > > of nature tampering with us ! Our IS's are downgraded, evaded > so > > stressed > > > out that we don't muster enough components of our IS to give a > > credible > > > fight. The Anergy we display to infection is profound ..all in > all > > no > > > contest, the pathogens have us for a meal ticket. > > > > > > So whats next ..big time antibiotics ? Kill the infection! well > > no, some do > > > well on high dose abx's but the majority don't, it's well > > documented that > > > high dose abx in most cases do not cure, We hope that blocking the > > > inflammatory response with ARB's allowing the IS to work > > unhindered as it > > > were plus abx's will do the trick but it's far from a certainty. > > > While i take your point that these drugs are not to be taken > > lightly We also > > > need to evaluate every treatment plan.... possible risks against > > possible > > > benefits ..I put the argument that we cannot afford to ignore any > > possible > > > beneficial therapy .we are just not in a bargaining > > position ... " I would > > > rather kill the infection than tamper with nature " is just not an > > option at > > > the moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the drugs you quote it's clear that using ARB's to control > > inflammation > > > would be far more effective than Remicaid . And Tysabri was one > > fatality & > > > one possible complication in 8,000 patients Those patients being > > extremely > > > ill with MS. > > > > > > http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hmn/W00/mu_10.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.7/112 - Release Date: > > 26/09/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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