Re: babesia--another thought, TOny

[Guest guest]

You know maybe the outcome doesn't fit right.I did see something

interesting on hook worms and the way the body set up an allergy like

response when they tried to attach to the intestinal wall.I just don't

know Jill. I feel that if your doing the right tricks you just move

forward, and you have to know what the RIGHT DOSE and DURATION should

be.These ilnesses are hard but if your body isn't badly battered your

a shoe in to get well easier.What are your full blood counts looking

like since you got ill.

I would also come up with a good opener on the pathology chick. Just

basically ask her for a tip to get a good sample. Your basically just

trying to open up the highway for future travel.

Then she can just gather a few of your smears and possably look

carefully at the other odds and ends like howell jolly , you gotta use

some guile to get yourself up and running.

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> By the way, for chronic babesia probably the best treatment would be

> exchange transfusion and then aggressive treatment with about 3

drugs

> at once.

> Honestly.

>

[Guest guest]

Jill

Just another thought was everything that is done by PCR on patients

all over the forums seem to respond badly to the treatment that was

encouraged ---If you know what I mean.

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> By the way, for chronic babesia probably the best treatment would be

> exchange transfusion and then aggressive treatment with about 3

drugs

> at once.

> Honestly.

>

[Guest guest]

Jill:

As far as I know RBC exchange is only done to save someone's life

(acute Babs) and you can bet they see them in a smear at this point

(they're probably 3% infected).

How is your RBC profile?

Tony:

And yes it does seem like most people used 3 drugs over long periods

of time for Babs (at great expense) and they still complain of

symptoms after that. Either their symptoms aren't from Babs - OR the

drugs are woefully inadequate.

-- In infections , " dumbaussie2000 "

<dumbaussie2000@y...> wrote:

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> Jill

> Just another thought was everything that is done by PCR on patients

> all over the forums seem to respond badly to the treatment that was

> encouraged ---If you know what I mean.

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> > By the way, for chronic babesia probably the best treatment would

be

> > exchange transfusion and then aggressive treatment with about 3

> drugs

> > at once.

> > Honestly.

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[Guest guest]

Detroit? Tony how long have you lived in Australia because you have

all the mannerisms...

Anyway...I should've saved and posted that dog study...sorry I

didn't. Poor dog had bartonella, thats all they thought he had and he

was so sick and immune suppressed and abx would not cure him, 5

months of repeated courses. Then they discovered babesia, and treated

with imodocarb (sp?) and he got well, totally well.

They went back to look at his saved blood smears and there was no

obvious babesia until it showed up.

Now Tony you can make what you want of this but I find these

tickborne illnesses really really eerie and weird, I know you think

I'm reaching for conspiracy theories but I do think some of them were

bioweaponized and then escaped into the wild, so the soup we have

today is more virulent. I know that is not necessary to explain

things, its just my belief from all I've read. Yes evolution alone

could've done it.

Anyway, Nick once said two patients voluinteered for bone

marrow draws and tho they had 1-2% in circulating blood cells, they

had 20% in bone marrow (babs). I'm paraphrasing a long ago phone

conversation so don't hold me to it. Perhaps some of these TBD's nest

in places we don't test and still make us sick as DOGS!

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> > By the way, for chronic babesia probably the best treatment would

be

> > exchange transfusion and then aggressive treatment with about 3

> drugs

> > at once.

> > Honestly.

> >

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[Guest guest]

You're right, Barb.

I'm just saying what I think--like Tony says dialysis would be good

to rid chronically infected of toxins. It aint' gonna happen and

neither will exchange transfusion BUT for those lymies we see on

lymenet on months and months of antimalarials and relapsing off them

adn back onto them...fricken YEARS of treatment, I think exchange

transfusion and a few aggressive weeks of treatment would be kinder.

Exchange transfusion will essentially put you back into " acute "

infection status.

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> > > By the way, for chronic babesia probably the best treatment

would

> be

> > > exchange transfusion and then aggressive treatment with about 3

> > drugs

> > > at once.

> > > Honestly.

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[Guest guest]

Jill

I'm a keen observer of man and ilness, we have enough exposure to

reality medical shows and reality ilnesses and how debilitating they

are.My belief system was claer as daylight when first struck down-

'I had candida'-my response to nystatin and feeling better than

cured told me you are absolutely 110% a fungal person.Then the diet

went back to normal and the nystatin stopped too early and whamo on

my ass again.One day while sitting suffering extreme neck stiffness

and headache I tried amoxacillin which just happened to be in the

cupborad- well what do you now it works unbelievably well and the

augmentin I had been given didn't do squat earlier in the ilness.

(which had twice as much amoxacillin).

So I really need to understand what I " M FIGHTING and if I'm to

beleive what I'm fighting is making me unwell it should go down to

nystatin.Well it'a all in the sinuses I'm afraid and the red blood

cells-staph epi-nystatin sensitive-pseudonomas also responded to

nystatin.Here I have some pretty compelling evidence.Actually the

culture plates shown in the photo's section are of someone that is

strongly positive for lyme and all the bells and whistles of tick

ilness(grows em).The long lyme treatments and chasing the tick

ilness angle has landed him nowhere recently he has discovered

massive amounts of necrosis in his fascial bones.I think he has

gained a huge new respect for what you can get your hands on and

what is invisable.I think Barb is a classic example of someone

taking up the inflammation and infection angle very cleanly and

succeeding.If you have inflammation and in that region you have a

mutated pathogen as opposed to a normal flora you have to respect

that 'what is there' is capable of fighting for it's space and is

also capable of crippling you.

I actually freak out when people get a report that says they only

find one species of bacteria- it's because it fought best and

is 'king of the hill'. (now pathogen)

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> > > By the way, for chronic babesia probably the best treatment

would

> be

> > > exchange transfusion and then aggressive treatment with about

3

> > drugs

> > > at once.

> > > Honestly.

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