Re: Training For Power

[Guest guest]

I find that you can actually throw the weight at the end of the

weightlifting power snatch by throwing the weight over and behind.

Obviously clear the platform behind you and practice throwing the weight

back so that you finish the pull by letting go.

At the end of the clean pull when you have pulled the weight as hard as

you can, the point at which you jump under the bar although you do not

let go the movement feels ballistic as you do not slow the movement down

at all. Is this correct is this ballistic even though you don't' let go

of the bar?

Regards

Nick Tatalias

Johannesburg

South Africa

Kenny Croxdale wrote:

>>>Working with bands and/or chains is a good method. I use it. However,

it does not provide the same training effect as ballistic movements

(movements in which a body or object becomes airborne, a projectile), I

use ballistic methods as well.

Attaching bands and/or chains to the bar increases the resistance of the

bar as it ascends. Thus, attaching bands and/or chains will cause some

deceleration of the bar. The amount of deceleration dependent load of

the bands and/chains.

The concern of throwing the bar can be minimized. Exercises like the

bench press can be performed in a Machine. Articles such as

" Plyometric Bench Press Training for More Strength and Power " have

touched on the use of the Machine for this purpose.

Free weight movements such as jump squats and clean jumps pose no real

safety problem.

For power to be fully developed bands and/or chains as well as ballistic

movements need to be employed in one training program at some point.

Both of these method provide an effective training effect.<<<<

Damien Chiappini wrote:

<<<You might want to try compensatory acceleration training with bands

or chains.

You will not have to worry about deceleration as the band or chain will

compensate for this at the end of the range of motion. Much safer than

throwing

a barbell in the air while benching.>>>

[Guest guest]

Nick,

I wouldn't recommend letting go of the bar - its dangerous and accomplishes

nothing! By physically letting go of the bar after the pull in the snatch makes

it no more ballistic than when you snatch while holding onto the bar because

deceleration is caused not by you, but by gravity.

I won't try to explain right now but let the group know if it doesn't make

sense,

Gareth Simons,

Winnipeg, Canada,

Ex. SA

Nick Tatalias wrote:

<<<I find that you can actually throw the weight at the end of the

weightlifting power snatch by throwing the weight over and behind.

Obviously clear the platform behind you and practice throwing the weight

back so that you finish the pull by letting go.

At the end of the clean pull when you have pulled the weight as hard as

you can, the point at which you jump under the bar although you do not

let go the movement feels ballistic as you do not slow the movement down

at all. Is this correct is this ballistic even though you don't' let go

of the bar?>>>

[Guest guest]

Vasili eyev performed snatch throws in his training. There are some

pictures of him floading around showing it, as well as some other unique method

he used in his training.

Any type of throwing movement carries some danger with it. However, there are

also some benefifts, as well.

Deceleration of the bar does have to do with gravity. That is why ballistic

movements are limited to the use of loads of 10-40% of 1RM for most movements.

Loads heavier than that, due to gravity, cause the bar to decelerate to the

point of not being able to make the movement ballistic.

Throws in the snatch can develop power through a much fuller range of the

movement. My concern would be the bar and the platform.

Kenny Croxdale

Orange, CA

Gareth Simons wrote:

" " I wouldn't recommend letting go of the bar - its dangerous and accomplishes

nothing! By physically letting go of the bar after the pull in the snatch makes

it no more ballistic than when you snatch while holding onto the bar because

deceleration is caused not by you, but by gravity.

I won't try to explain right now but let the group know if it doesn't make

sense. " "

Nick Tatalias wrote:

<<<I find that you can actually throw the weight at the end of the

weightlifting power snatch by throwing the weight over and behind.

Obviously clear the platform behind you and practice throwing the weight

back so that you finish the pull by letting go.

At the end of the clean pull when you have pulled the weight as hard as

you can, the point at which you jump under the bar although you do not

let go the movement feels ballistic as you do not slow the movement down

at all. Is this correct is this ballistic even though you don't' let go

of the bar?>>>