2 ?s- Cod Liver Oil and Lactose Intolerance

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Dear Lynne,

Mucus may be a cleansing reaction of your body-- not necessarily bad. A small

amount of kefir, even 1/4 cup every day might be good to try for awhile.

Cod liver oil is great stuff and has made a very positive change in my health

and well-being. I take it in capsules, Radiant Life has the best brand.

Willa

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--- thegrail@... wrote:

> I have read that goats' milk does not have lactose,

> but I don't know

> if that's true - ?

All milk has lactose, in varying amounts. I know some

people have an easier time with goat's milk, but it's

different from cow's milk in several ways (percentages

of lactose, casein, fat, and size of fat globules), so

it's hard to know why exactly it's better for them.

Are you sure it's the lactose you have trouble with?

I think in the process of fermenting a milk product,

much of the lactose is converted to lactic acid (hence

the sour taste), but I don't know if all of it is.

Maybe it's one of the other components of milk your

body reacts to. People I know who are lactose

intolerant have severe digestive upset from dairy

products, not mucous. I used to have a minor problem

with upper-respiratory mucous associated with

pasteurized milk and cheese, but don't have that

happen with raw dairy.

Aubin

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<<I have two questions - 1. Is anyone else taking Cod Liver Oil? Have

you noticed any positive effects?

and 2. About Lactose Intolerance - I am severly lactose intolerant

and have been off all milk and cheese for years. After discovering

the wonderful world of Sally's book and fermented milk products, I

thought I'd give it another try. I have tried Piima and real kefir

(not powdered starter but real kefir grains.) I used raw Claravale

milk when I could get it, and organic Straus when I couldn't. For a

few days, I was able to drink it and I loved it, and it felt really

healthy for me. But then, alas, my nose started up and then it got

really bad. I was only having 1/2 cup kefir and occassional Piima in

very small amounts, by the way, for less than a week.

I have read that goats' milk does not have lactose, but I don't know

if that's true - ? I've tried goat milk yogurt but I doubt that it

was raw, but it also caused mucus. Has anyone else been able to

overcome lactose intolerance? Any suggestions?

Even coconut milk seems to cause mucus for me, which doesn't make any

sense !

I have now switched my kefir grains to water, so I should be able to

benefit from that, but I sure wanted the milk.??>>

Lynne,

1) I've been taking Cod LV oil for about 2 years and discoloration of the

skin on my forehead has gone away. There's definately an adrenal and liver

function impact w/Cod liver oil.

2) You may be lactose intolerant, but the real issue is whether you're

ALLERGIC to dairy PROTEIN. Once allergic to bovine protein, it's unlikely

you'll be able to reverse this sensitivity. I have heard other practitioners

say they could do this, but after referring patients to them, the results

have not been there at all. It's a real loss to be allergic to dairy, and

there are things you can do to make up for it. For starters, all traditional

peoples that didn't do dairy did bone broth soups. Lastly, lactose

intolerance dosen't usually reverse itself but is easily addressed by doing

well fermented whole dairy and taking lactase enzymes when needed. Again,

it's the protein allergy that's the real limitation. Perhaps 40% of the

country shares your fate in this regard, mostly due to antibiotic use from

otitis media and other issues. All of which could, of course, be elegantly

dealth with through proper diet.

3) Hmmmm, are you using a good brand of coconut milk? With what have you

combined it?

Ken Morehead, MSOM L.Ac. DOM DAONB

Durham

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Hi Willa,

Yes, I got my cod liver capsules from Radiant Life, they are amazing.

I find that I take the pill and actually feel my uterus sort of ache -

I know the cod liver oil is supposed to be good for fertility. It

also seems to warm me up.

I wish the mucus response was a " cleansing " - but it starts up, then

gets worse and worse, then I'm blowing my nose all day, then I start

to feel flu-like, etc., and it just never ends, for months - its very

exhausting. That can't be good - and even small amounts of milk seem

to set it off. That's why I was hoping fermented milk like kefir

would be different. I'm still making the kefir and storing it in the

fridge, but I took 1/2 my grains and started making kefir water too,

so I'll at least get the probiotics for my bowel, which is the main

reason I wanted to try it.

Thanks for your thoughts, Lynne

> Dear Lynne,

>

> Mucus may be a cleansing reaction of your body-- not necessarily

bad. A small

> amount of kefir, even 1/4 cup every day might be good to try for

awhile.

>

> Cod liver oil is great stuff and has made a very positive change in

my health

> and well-being. I take it in capsules, Radiant Life has the best

brand.

>

> Willa

[Guest guest]

Hell Aubin,

You know, you've just set off a light bulb in my thinking here - when

I started the kefir, I used raw milk to reconstitute the grains, and

then for the first week, I used raw for my drink. Then, the store ran

out of raw and I had to purchase organic milk - very good quality,

but not raw. Maybe that's when my nose started up again - ! Because I

was able to drink it for a about a week and I'm wondering if it was

when I switched to the non-raw that my troubles began. I'm going to

try the raw again and see if that's it. If so - yeah, Aubin! (You

still get a yeah, even if that's not the problem, by the way.)

And no, I am not sure its the lactose - I just know other folks who

can't eat dairy cause they get excess mucus production as well. I'm

making a leap here - all I know is that eating cheeses or milks

always caused excess mucus. But maybe the raw kefir ... I'll give it

a try.

Lynne

>

> > I have read that goats' milk does not have lactose,

> > but I don't know

> > if that's true - ?

>

> All milk has lactose, in varying amounts. I know some

> people have an easier time with goat's milk, but it's

> different from cow's milk in several ways (percentages

> of lactose, casein, fat, and size of fat globules), so

> it's hard to know why exactly it's better for them.

> Are you sure it's the lactose you have trouble with?

> I think in the process of fermenting a milk product,

> much of the lactose is converted to lactic acid (hence

> the sour taste), but I don't know if all of it is.

> Maybe it's one of the other components of milk your

> body reacts to. People I know who are lactose

> intolerant have severe digestive upset from dairy

> products, not mucous. I used to have a minor problem

> with upper-respiratory mucous associated with

> pasteurized milk and cheese, but don't have that

> happen with raw dairy.

>

> Aubin

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I finally read a long article by the author of The Milk Book

s - never pasturized again! Wow, what a story. I got 2

quarts of raw and am trying the raw again tomorrow, with my kefir.

His article made raw milk sound so great, I may try it " straight. "

Were you able to get raw goat milk? That's supposed to be extremely

healing - Bernard Jensen has a book on goat milk I'm about to read.

>

> > Then, the store ran

> > out of raw and I had to purchase organic milk - very good quality,

> > but not raw. Maybe that's when my nose started up again - !

Because I

> > was able to drink it for a about a week and I'm wondering if it

was

> > when I switched to the non-raw that my troubles began.

> >

> > And no, I am not sure its the lactose - I just know other folks

who

> > can't eat dairy cause they get excess mucus production as well.

I'm

> > making a leap here - all I know is that eating cheeses or milks

> > always caused excess mucus. But maybe the raw kefir ... I'll give

it

> > a try.

> >

> > Lynne

>

> Hi Lynne:

>

> It's a well known fact that pasteurized dairy products increase

mucus

> production. When my kids were little, that the first thing I was

told to

> remove from their diet if they had any type of cold or ear

infection.

>

> I have similar symptoms, it's called " allergic rhinitis " , causing

post-nasal

> drip, and there were times where I almost couldn't breathe it would

get so

> bad, especially in the winter. I no longer use any pasteurized

milk unless

> in baking, and then only whole organic. I unfortunately cannot get

raw

> easily. The one time I did, I traveled two hours one way, and the

price was

> prohibitive. Fifteen dollars a gallon with the cream, ten

without! I can't

> do that. But, oh, I was so good! And, the mucus did not

increase. I can

> get goats milk at six dollars a gallon about an hour away from

here. But, it

> is not the same as cows milk. If you have access to raw, try it,

you may be

> able to tolerate it. Just stay away from any of the pasteurized

stuff,

> you'll be a lot happier.

>

> Shalom!

> Carol in SE Illinois

[Guest guest]

Hi Ken,

What is " otitis media " ? You may have noticed that I realized that the

mucus started when I switched from raw milk for my kefir, to organic

but pasturized. I'm back giving raw a try.

RE: coconut milk - I use the only kind I've been able to find, which

is canned Thai Kitchen coconut milk. I searched on the net for

organic, but all I found was Virgin Coconut Oil from the

pines, which is quite good. Do you know of a source for good

coconut milk? It may be once, my nose started up, anything was

bothering it. I've got it back under control and we'll see how it

goes. Thanks for your thoughts. Lynne

> <<I have two questions - 1. Is anyone else taking Cod Liver Oil?

Have

> you noticed any positive effects?

> and 2. About Lactose Intolerance - I am severly lactose intolerant

> and have been off all milk and cheese for years. After discovering

> the wonderful world of Sally's book and fermented milk products, I

> thought I'd give it another try. I have tried Piima and real kefir

> (not powdered starter but real kefir grains.) I used raw Claravale

> milk when I could get it, and organic Straus when I couldn't. For a

> few days, I was able to drink it and I loved it, and it felt really

> healthy for me. But then, alas, my nose started up and then it got

> really bad. I was only having 1/2 cup kefir and occassional Piima

in

> very small amounts, by the way, for less than a week.

>

> I have read that goats' milk does not have lactose, but I don't

know

> if that's true - ? I've tried goat milk yogurt but I doubt that it

> was raw, but it also caused mucus. Has anyone else been able to

> overcome lactose intolerance? Any suggestions?

> Even coconut milk seems to cause mucus for me, which doesn't make

any

> sense !

> I have now switched my kefir grains to water, so I should be able

to

> benefit from that, but I sure wanted the milk.??>>

>

> Lynne,

> 1) I've been taking Cod LV oil for about 2 years and discoloration

of the

> skin on my forehead has gone away. There's definately an adrenal

and liver

> function impact w/Cod liver oil.

> 2) You may be lactose intolerant, but the real issue is whether

you're

> ALLERGIC to dairy PROTEIN. Once allergic to bovine protein, it's

unlikely

> you'll be able to reverse this sensitivity. I have heard other

practitioners

> say they could do this, but after referring patients to them, the

results

> have not been there at all. It's a real loss to be allergic to

dairy, and

> there are things you can do to make up for it. For starters, all

traditional

> peoples that didn't do dairy did bone broth soups. Lastly, lactose

> intolerance dosen't usually reverse itself but is easily addressed

by doing

> well fermented whole dairy and taking lactase enzymes when needed.

Again,

> it's the protein allergy that's the real limitation. Perhaps 40% of

the

> country shares your fate in this regard, mostly due to antibiotic

use from

> otitis media and other issues. All of which could, of course, be

elegantly

> dealth with through proper diet.

> 3) Hmmmm, are you using a good brand of coconut milk? With what

have you

> combined it?

> Ken Morehead, MSOM L.Ac. DOM DAONB

> Durham