Re: Nano bacteria & Calcification

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Oddly enough, this happened to me for quite a few months on low-dose

abx, but then when I increased my abx to a more normal amount (even

while still on same protocol) it stopped happening. It hasn't been a

problem while I have been on Ketek and Tini. But could just be

coincidence. Who knows.

- Kate

On Tuesday, October 18, 2005, at 02:23 PM, Jaep wrote:

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>   This association has answered a question for me , the production of

> calcium on my teeth at gum level has gone into hyper drive , I can & do

> break off great chunks of calcium with a paper clip ..the stuff grows

> back

> within a week or so ..All is revealed when you throw nano bac into the

> equation ...I know Penny experiences the same problem ..The question

> is what

> to do about it

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I know in my case that occurred during a hormonal swing or change

and came on very suddingly- and no about of mouth care seemed to help.

I was going to the dentist every 6 weeks and having my teeth

cleaned -

After about 6 months of this (which was abmormal for me) I started

using bioavaiable topical progesterone - problem solved. I hardly

even got any plaque of any kind after that.

Barb

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> This association has answered a question for me , the production

of

> calcium on my teeth at gum level has gone into hyper drive , I can

& do

> break off great chunks of calcium with a paper clip ..the stuff

grows back

> within a week or so ..All is revealed when you throw nano bac into

the

> equation ...I know Penny experiences the same problem ..The

question is what

> to do about it ..chelating by enzymes is one way but that treatment

is in

> it's infancy ..I'm still trying to evaluate the situation ,

calcification

> .. is it a major piece of the jigsaw? sounds it to me .. What does

the team

> think ...

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That's interesting Barb, cant even begin to figure what's going on .more researching I think .. ..Thanks for that Library site BTW about three months at least reading in that

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of Barb PeckSent: 18 October 2005 19:59infections Subject: [infections] Re: Nano bacteria & CalcificationI know in my case that occurred during a hormonal swing or changeand came on very suddingly- and no about of mouth care seemed to help. I was going to the dentist every 6 weeks and having my teeth cleaned - After about 6 months of this (which was abmormal for me) I started using bioavaiable topical progesterone - problem solved. I hardly even got any plaque of any kind after that.Barb>> > This association has answered a question for me , the production of> calcium on my teeth at gum level has gone into hyper drive , I can & do> break off great chunks of calcium with a paper clip ..the stuff grows back> within a week or so ..All is revealed when you throw nano bac into the> equation ...I know Penny experiences the same problem ..The question is what> to do about it ..chelating by enzymes is one way but that treatment is in> it's infancy ..I'm still trying to evaluate the situation , calcification> .. is it a major piece of the jigsaw? sounds it to me .. What does the team> think ...> > > > > > > http://www.calcify.com/> --> No virus found in this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.> Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.2/140 - Release Date: 18/10/2005>

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I alway's thought there's got to be a consequence for pain and

inflammation and I feel this is one of them. I would try and save

the slime in your throat for a couple of weeks- I feel it hardens

and calcifies.

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>

> This association has answered a question for me , the production

of

> calcium on my teeth at gum level has gone into hyper drive , I can

& do

> break off great chunks of calcium with a paper clip ..the stuff

grows back

> within a week or so ..All is revealed when you throw nano bac into

the

> equation ...I know Penny experiences the same problem ..The

question is what

> to do about it ..chelating by enzymes is one way but that

treatment is in

> it's infancy ..I'm still trying to evaluate the situation ,

calcification

> .. is it a major piece of the jigsaw? sounds it to me .. What does

the team

> think ...

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> http://www.calcify.com/

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> No virus found in this outgoing message.

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> Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.2/140 - Release Date:

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Do a search on Oral Microbiology

Start here:

http://www.dentistry.adelaide.edu.au/microbiology/protemics.html

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> > This association has answered a question for me , the

production

> of

> > calcium on my teeth at gum level has gone into hyper drive , I

can

> & do

> > break off great chunks of calcium with a paper clip ..the stuff

> grows back

> > within a week or so ..All is revealed when you throw nano bac

into

> the

> > equation ...I know Penny experiences the same problem ..The

> question is what

> > to do about it ..chelating by enzymes is one way but that

> treatment is in

> > it's infancy ..I'm still trying to evaluate the situation ,

> calcification

> > .. is it a major piece of the jigsaw? sounds it to me .. What

does

> the team

> > think ...

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The bacteria may make the saliva more acidic...leading to plaque, is

my guess.

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> > This association has answered a question for me , the

production

> of

> > calcium on my teeth at gum level has gone into hyper drive , I

can

> & do

> > break off great chunks of calcium with a paper clip ..the stuff

> grows back

> > within a week or so ..All is revealed when you throw nano bac

into

> the

> > equation ...I know Penny experiences the same problem ..The

> question is what

> > to do about it ..chelating by enzymes is one way but that

> treatment is in

> > it's infancy ..I'm still trying to evaluate the situation ,

> calcification

> > .. is it a major piece of the jigsaw? sounds it to me .. What

does

> the team

> > think ...

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> > http://www.calcify.com/

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There is a chance it's more than a chemical process, this catches the eye, nano bac using calcium .So do NB control the process of calcium production as yet another survival strategy? & Tony I don't have slime in my throat the Lamisil sorted that years ago..

The researchers had observed, through an electron microscope, nanobacteria particles building shells of calcium phosphate around themselves. They began to investigate whether such particles played a role in causing kidney stones, which are also made of calcium compounds. Sure enough, at the center of several stones was a nanobacteria particle.

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,66861,00.html

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of jill1313Sent: 19 October 2005 01:46infections Subject: [infections] Re: Nano bacteria & CalcificationThe bacteria may make the saliva more acidic...leading to plaque, is my guess.> >> > > > This association has answered a question for me , the production > of> > calcium on my teeth at gum level has gone into hyper drive , I can > & do> > break off great chunks of calcium with a paper clip ..the stuff > grows back> > within a week or so ..All is revealed when you throw nano bac into > the> > equation ...I know Penny experiences the same problem ..The > question is what> > to do about it ..chelating by enzymes is one way but that > treatment is in> > it's infancy ..I'm still trying to evaluate the situation , > calcification> > .. is it a major piece of the jigsaw? sounds it to me .. What does > the team> > think ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.calcify.com/> > --> > No virus found in this outgoing message.> > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.> > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.2/140 - Release Date: > 18/10/2005> >>

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There has to be consequences of inflammation and robbing an

inflammed region of calcium sounds very feasable.I don't know if it

can be placed at the feet of nano bacteria when all inflammed

regions alway's yield pathogens or oppurtunists. Actually are plague

formations based on calcium deposits?

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> production

> > of

> > > calcium on my teeth at gum level has gone into hyper drive ,

I

> can

> > & do

> > > break off great chunks of calcium with a paper clip ..the

stuff

> > grows back

> > > within a week or so ..All is revealed when you throw nano bac

> into

> > the

> > > equation ...I know Penny experiences the same problem ..The

> > question is what

> > > to do about it ..chelating by enzymes is one way but that

> > treatment is in

> > > it's infancy ..I'm still trying to evaluate the situation ,

> > calcification

> > > .. is it a major piece of the jigsaw? sounds it to me .. What

> does

> > the team

> > > think ...

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> > > http://www.calcify.com/

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Date:

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I think they are Tony, thats a good point.

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> > > >

> > > > This association has answered a question for me , the

> > production

> > > of

> > > > calcium on my teeth at gum level has gone into hyper

drive ,

> I

> > can

> > > & do

> > > > break off great chunks of calcium with a paper clip ..the

> stuff

> > > grows back

> > > > within a week or so ..All is revealed when you throw nano

bac

> > into

> > > the

> > > > equation ...I know Penny experiences the same problem ..The

> > > question is what

> > > > to do about it ..chelating by enzymes is one way but that

> > > treatment is in

> > > > it's infancy ..I'm still trying to evaluate the situation ,

> > > calcification

> > > > .. is it a major piece of the jigsaw? sounds it to me ..

What

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I'm not sure if I follow your shall I say convoluted post ...." there has to be consequences to inflammation " yes with you so far ....the rest up to the question ????

This hypothesis is a very educated guess if you ask me ...they think NB are directly involved in the formation of calcium ...Well who is better qualified to confirm this than us ? The question now is how calcified are we , how much are the aching joints, tendonitis, poor blood flow due to calcification ..?

In our earlier studies, we have assessed a unique agent, nanobacteria (NB), in kidney stones and hypothesized that NB have an active role in calcium phosphate-carbonate deposition in kidney.

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/links/doi/10.1111/j.1523-1755.2005.67105.x/abs/

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of dumbaussie2000Sent: 19 October 2005 11:02infections Subject: [infections] Re: Nano bacteria & CalcificationThere has to be consequences of inflammation and robbing an inflammed region of calcium sounds very feasable.I don't know if it can be placed at the feet of nano bacteria when all inflammed regions alway's yield pathogens or oppurtunists. Actually are plague formations based on calcium deposits?> > >> > >> > > This association has answered a question for me , the> production> > of> > > calcium on my teeth at gum level has gone into hyper drive , I> can> > & do> > > break off great chunks of calcium with a paper clip ..the stuff> > grows back> > > within a week or so ..All is revealed when you throw nano bac> into> > the> > > equation ...I know Penny experiences the same problem ..The> > question is what> > > to do about it ..chelating by enzymes is one way but that> > treatment is in> > > it's infancy ..I'm still trying to evaluate the situation ,> > calcification> > > .. is it a major piece of the jigsaw? sounds it to me .. What> does> > the team> > > think ...> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > http://www.calcify.com/> > > --> > > No virus found in this outgoing message.> > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.> > > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.2/140 - Release Date:> > 18/10/2005> > >> >> > > > > > >

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I'm not sure if I follow your shall I say convoluted post ...." there has to be consequences to inflammation " yes with you so far ....the rest up to the question ????

This hypothesis is a very educated guess if you ask me ...they think NB are directly involved in the formation of calcium in the kidney...Well who is better qualified to confirm this than us ? The question now is how calcified are we , how much are the aching joints, tendonitis, poor blood flow due to calcification ..?

In our earlier studies, we have assessed a unique agent, nanobacteria (NB), in kidney stones and hypothesized that NB have an active role in calcium phosphate-carbonate deposition in kidney.

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/links/doi/10.1111/j.1523-1755.2005.67105.x/abs/

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of dumbaussie2000Sent: 19 October 2005 11:02infections Subject: [infections] Re: Nano bacteria & CalcificationThere has to be consequences of inflammation and robbing an inflammed region of calcium sounds very feasable.I don't know if it can be placed at the feet of nano bacteria when all inflammed regions alway's yield pathogens or oppurtunists. Actually are plague formations based on calcium deposits?> > >> > >> > > This association has answered a question for me , the> production> > of> > > calcium on my teeth at gum level has gone into hyper drive , I> can> > & do> > > break off great chunks of calcium with a paper clip ..the stuff> > grows back> > > within a week or so ..All is revealed when you throw nano bac> into> > the> > > equation ...I know Penny experiences the same problem ..The> > question is what> > > to do about it ..chelating by enzymes is one way but that> > treatment is in> > > it's infancy ..I'm still trying to evaluate the situation ,> > calcification> > > .. is it a major piece of the jigsaw? sounds it to me .. What> does> > the team> > > think ...> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > http://www.calcify.com/> > > --> > > No virus found in this outgoing message.> > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.> > > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.2/140 - Release Date:> > 18/10/2005> > >> >> > > > > > >

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I often go the whole picture- in my why is it so scenario's.So I

have understood nano bacteria and your need to break down it's shell

then kill it with doxy and whatever. I was just thinking out load,

how plague formations in brains and spines and everything else

associated around having inflammation ties in- I basically don't

think nano bac is front line MR. Inflammation, I just think the

whole host of pathogens in the viscinity of inflammtion are more

than likeley to start inflammation/ calcification cycles.Even the

aspergillis in the photos is no lame duck.

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> > > > This association has answered a question for me , the

> > production

> > > of

> > > > calcium on my teeth at gum level has gone into hyper

drive ,

> I

> > can

> > > & do

> > > > break off great chunks of calcium with a paper clip ..the

> stuff

> > > grows back

> > > > within a week or so ..All is revealed when you throw

nano bac

> > into

> > > the

> > > > equation ...I know Penny experiences the same

problem ..The

> > > question is what

> > > > to do about it ..chelating by enzymes is one way but that

> > > treatment is in

> > > > it's infancy ..I'm still trying to evaluate the

situation ,

> > > calcification

> > > > .. is it a major piece of the jigsaw? sounds it to me ..

What

> > does

> > > the team

> > > > think ...

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> > > > http://www.calcify.com/

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Yes , I agree , well mostly, we know that so called western illnesses are infection based ..this new info on NB gives us an insight into the overall picture...It's clear to me that Antifungal are very effective against NB, especially Lamisil ..Don't know why ..the azoles are effective against spiros supposedly through the p450 pathway but??? Lamisil has a different mode of action? However they both work against the cell wall with fungi! so anyone have any thoughts, ?

Fungal link offers TB hope

Drugs used to treat fungal infections might also prove useful against tuberculosis, according to scientists in Britain.

They have found a genetic similarity between the TB bacterium and fungi, which they believe makes the bacterium vulnerable to these drugs. Tuberculosis kills two million people each year, a figure that is rapidly rising in parts of the world where Aids is widespread.

Drugs are available, but they are gradually becoming less effective as the bacterium becomes resistant to them.

So there is an urgent need for new lines of treatment.

Now, researchers at the University of Wales in Aberystwyth say they have found one.

Genome breakthrough

The key was an international research project which sequenced the TB genome - work conducted at the Wellcome Trust's Sanger Centre, Cambridge, UK, and at the Institute Pasteur, Paris, France.

When the Aberystwyth researchers examined the sequence, they discovered that TB contains a gene that is also found in the kinds of fungi which infect humans.

There are already anti-fungal drugs called azoles, which work by blocking this gene.

The researchers tried giving these drugs to a close relative of TB in the laboratory, and found that they killed it.

Price problem

They are now starting experiments with TB itself.

If the drugs do work here, the researchers will have found a completely new way of attacking this tough bacterium.

And as azoles are already widely used, far fewer safety trials will be needed than with new drugs.

The problem area could be price - several of these drugs are still under patent, and according to the World Health Organisation, even those which are not are still priced too highly for the poorest parts of the world.

Terbinafine: mode of action and properties of the squalene epoxidase inhibition.Ryder NS.Sandoz Research Institute, Vienna, Austria.Terbinafine (Lamisil) has primarily fungicidal action against many fungi as a result of its specific mechanism of squalene epoxidase inhibition. Treated fungi accumulate squalene while becoming deficient in ergosterol, an essential component of fungal cell membranes. The cidal action is closely associated with the development of high intracellular squalene concentrations, which are believed to interfere with fungal membrane function and cell wall synthesis. In the case of Candida albicans, growth inhibition with terbinafine appears to result from the ergosterol deficiency. The filamentous form of this fungus is more susceptible than the yeast form. Measurement of ergosterol biosynthesis by incorporation of radiolabelled precursors indicates a correlation between inhibition of growth and ergosterol biosynthesis in a range of pathogenic fungi. Terbinafine is a potent non-competitive inhibitor of squalene epoxidase from Candida (Ki = 30 nM). In contrast, inhibition of rat liver squalene epoxidase only occurs at higher drug concentrations (Ki = 77 microM), and is competitive with squalene. Thus, terbinafine has no effect on cholesterol biosynthesis in vivo. Squalene epoxidase is not an enzyme of the cytochrome P-450 type, thereby avoiding potential inhibition of this class of enzymes.Publication Types:

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-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of dumbaussie2000Sent: 20 October 2005 04:36infections Subject: [infections] Re: Nano bacteria & CalcificationI often go the whole picture- in my why is it so scenario's.So I have understood nano bacteria and your need to break down it's shell then kill it with doxy and whatever. I was just thinking out load, how plague formations in brains and spines and everything else associated around having inflammation ties in- I basically don't think nano bac is front line MR. Inflammation, I just think the whole host of pathogens in the viscinity of inflammtion are more than likeley to start inflammation/ calcification cycles.Even the aspergillis in the photos is no lame duck.> > > >> > > >> > > > This association has answered a question for me , the> > production> > > of> > > > calcium on my teeth at gum level has gone into hyper drive ,> I> > can> > > & do> > > > break off great chunks of calcium with a paper clip ..the> stuff> > > grows back> > > > within a week or so ..All is revealed when you throw nano bac> > into> > > the> > > > equation ...I know Penny experiences the same problem ..The> > > question is what> > > > to do about it ..chelating by enzymes is one way but that> > > treatment is in> > > > it's infancy ..I'm still trying to evaluate the situation ,> > > calcification> > > > .. is it a major piece of the jigsaw? sounds it to me .. What> > does> > > the team> > > > think ...> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > http://www.calcify.com/> > > > --> > > > No virus found in this outgoing message.> > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.> > > > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.2/140 - Release> Date:> > > 18/10/2005> > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

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Makes me want to go out and buy some lamisil for a bit of a play.

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> > > > > This association has answered a question for me ,

the

> > > production

> > > > of

> > > > > calcium on my teeth at gum level has gone into hyper

> drive ,

> > I

> > > can

> > > > & do

> > > > > break off great chunks of calcium with a paper

clip ..the

> > stuff

> > > > grows back

> > > > > within a week or so ..All is revealed when you throw

> nano bac

> > > into

> > > > the

> > > > > equation ...I know Penny experiences the same

> problem ..The

> > > > question is what

> > > > > to do about it ..chelating by enzymes is one way but

that

> > > > treatment is in

> > > > > it's infancy ..I'm still trying to evaluate the

> situation ,

> > > > calcification

> > > > > .. is it a major piece of the jigsaw? sounds it to

me ..

> What

> > > does

> > > > the team

> > > > > think ...

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> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.calcify.com/

> > > > > --

> > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message.

> > > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.

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Release

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Tony, I " d love to see inhibition zones of all the antifungals on your

plates.

Was talking with my lovely holistic doc yesterday and mentioned to

her that when I tried the diflucan there was too much dieoff

(headaches, liver aches, nausea) and she said why not take sporonox

liquid, you can start with one drop a day. So I just ordered it and

paid out of pocket (since she's not my HMO doc). It has all kinds of

gross inactive ingredients in it (sorbitol, saccharin, propleyne

glycol) but no sugar, so that's good. I can't take stuff with sugar.

And I would rather they not mask the taste with crap. But in any

case, this may be a solution, to start slow, for fungal issues I have.

Anyway, as one major researcher into allicin told me, lamisil is

essnetial the allyl (molecule in allicin) but made much bigger. And

that makes it LESS effective than the allyl itself would be.

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> > > > > > This association has answered a question for me ,

> the

> > > > production

> > > > > of

> > > > > > calcium on my teeth at gum level has gone into hyper

> > drive ,

> > > I

> > > > can

> > > > > & do

> > > > > > break off great chunks of calcium with a paper

> clip ..the

> > > stuff

> > > > > grows back

> > > > > > within a week or so ..All is revealed when you throw

> > nano bac

> > > > into

> > > > > the

> > > > > > equation ...I know Penny experiences the same

> > problem ..The

> > > > > question is what

> > > > > > to do about it ..chelating by enzymes is one way

but

> that

> > > > > treatment is in

> > > > > > it's infancy ..I'm still trying to evaluate the

> > situation ,

> > > > > calcification

> > > > > > .. is it a major piece of the jigsaw? sounds it to

> me ..

> > What

> > > > does

> > > > > the team

> > > > > > think ...

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> > > > > > http://www.calcify.com/

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Jill

Some of teh crap that's fed up as antibacterial is just that- CRAP.I

sort of got away from alternative medicine stuffs because I found I

go in with nuclear weapons and have a hard time with an infection

that's turning everything to mush and necrosis.

There's a few points in an infection that help. One is not meeting

it's nutrition.Yet giving the body nutrition it needs to make new

cells and function ( a hard act). Secondly NOt meeting it's

environmentl requirements. then thirdly treatinmg it with

appropriate therapy.The alternative stuff gets someone feeling

better if they for egs. avoid sugar and take some supplements. The

bigger picture though is never addressed properly.

tony

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me ,

> > the

> > > > > production

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > calcium on my teeth at gum level has gone into

hyper

> > > drive ,

> > > > I

> > > > > can

> > > > > > & do

> > > > > > > break off great chunks of calcium with a paper

> > clip ..the

> > > > stuff

> > > > > > grows back

> > > > > > > within a week or so ..All is revealed when you

throw

> > > nano bac

> > > > > into

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > equation ...I know Penny experiences the same

> > > problem ..The

> > > > > > question is what

> > > > > > > to do about it ..chelating by enzymes is one way

> but

> > that

> > > > > > treatment is in

> > > > > > > it's infancy ..I'm still trying to evaluate the

> > > situation ,

> > > > > > calcification

> > > > > > > .. is it a major piece of the jigsaw? sounds it

to

> > me ..

> > > What

> > > > > does

> > > > > > the team

> > > > > > > think ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://www.calcify.com/

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[Guest guest]

Sporonox is not alt med, Tony...its a prescription antifungal that is

stronger in solution than in capsule, but since it's solution I can

start slow. I'm keeping my fingers crossed! I can't have so much

dieoff that I am unable to work (at least, not at the moment).

You're right about starving it but they tend to like things we

like . Low carb helps tho.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This association has answered a question for

> me ,

> > > the

> > > > > > production

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > calcium on my teeth at gum level has gone into

> hyper

> > > > drive ,

> > > > > I

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > & do

> > > > > > > > break off great chunks of calcium with a paper

> > > clip ..the

> > > > > stuff

> > > > > > > grows back

> > > > > > > > within a week or so ..All is revealed when you

> throw

> > > > nano bac

> > > > > > into

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > equation ...I know Penny experiences the same

> > > > problem ..The

> > > > > > > question is what

> > > > > > > > to do about it ..chelating by enzymes is one

way

> > but

> > > that

> > > > > > > treatment is in

> > > > > > > > it's infancy ..I'm still trying to evaluate the

> > > > situation ,

> > > > > > > calcification

> > > > > > > > .. is it a major piece of the jigsaw? sounds it

> to

> > > me ..

> > > > What

> > > > > > does

> > > > > > > the team

> > > > > > > > think ...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > http://www.calcify.com/

> > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message.

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267.12.2/140 -

>

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[Guest guest]

I have sporonox. Blue and pink capsules I think.-

-- In infections , " jill1313 "

<jenbooks13@h...> wrote:

>

> Sporonox is not alt med, Tony...its a prescription antifungal that

is

> stronger in solution than in capsule, but since it's solution I

can

> start slow. I'm keeping my fingers crossed! I can't have so much

> dieoff that I am unable to work (at least, not at the moment).

>

> You're right about starving it but they tend to like things we

> like . Low carb helps tho.

>

>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This association has answered a question

for

> > me ,

> > > > the

> > > > > > > production

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > calcium on my teeth at gum level has gone

into

> > hyper

> > > > > drive ,

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > & do

> > > > > > > > > break off great chunks of calcium with a

paper

> > > > clip ..the

> > > > > > stuff

> > > > > > > > grows back

> > > > > > > > > within a week or so ..All is revealed when

you

> > throw

> > > > > nano bac

> > > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > equation ...I know Penny experiences the same

> > > > > problem ..The

> > > > > > > > question is what

> > > > > > > > > to do about it ..chelating by enzymes is one

> way

> > > but

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > treatment is in

> > > > > > > > > it's infancy ..I'm still trying to evaluate

the

> > > > > situation ,

> > > > > > > > calcification

> > > > > > > > > .. is it a major piece of the jigsaw? sounds

it

> > to

> > > > me ..

> > > > > What

> > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > the team

> > > > > > > > > think ...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > http://www.calcify.com/

> > > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message.

> > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.

> > > > > > > > > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database:

> 267.12.2/140 -

> >

> > > > Release

> > > > > > Date:

> > > > > > > > 18/10/2005

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[Guest guest]

Maybe so, it comes in capsules and in liquid. Have you tried testing

the inhibition zone of the capsules on bacteria I'm just curious.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This association has answered a question

> for

> > > me ,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > production

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > calcium on my teeth at gum level has gone

> into

> > > hyper

> > > > > > drive ,

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > & do

> > > > > > > > > > break off great chunks of calcium with a

> paper

> > > > > clip ..the

> > > > > > > stuff

> > > > > > > > > grows back

> > > > > > > > > > within a week or so ..All is revealed when

> you

> > > throw

> > > > > > nano bac

> > > > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > equation ...I know Penny experiences the

same

> > > > > > problem ..The

> > > > > > > > > question is what

> > > > > > > > > > to do about it ..chelating by enzymes is

one

> > way

> > > > but

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > treatment is in

> > > > > > > > > > it's infancy ..I'm still trying to evaluate

> the

> > > > > > situation ,

> > > > > > > > > calcification

> > > > > > > > > > .. is it a major piece of the jigsaw?

sounds

> it

> > > to

> > > > > me ..

> > > > > > What

> > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > the team

> > > > > > > > > > think ...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > http://www.calcify.com/

> > > > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message.

> > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.

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> > 267.12.2/140 -

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[Guest guest]

Yes I wasn't rapped in sporinox- but just for you jill we'll give it

another go on the tick boys organisms.-And you can see the pic which

is a bonus- instead of listeneing to crappola.

-- In infections , " jill1313 "

<jenbooks13@h...> wrote:

>

> Maybe so, it comes in capsules and in liquid. Have you tried

testing

> the inhibition zone of the capsules on bacteria I'm just curious.

>

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This association has answered a

question

> > for

> > > > me ,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > production

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > calcium on my teeth at gum level has

gone

> > into

> > > > hyper

> > > > > > > drive ,

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > & do

> > > > > > > > > > > break off great chunks of calcium with a

> > paper

> > > > > > clip ..the

> > > > > > > > stuff

> > > > > > > > > > grows back

> > > > > > > > > > > within a week or so ..All is revealed

when

> > you

> > > > throw

> > > > > > > nano bac

> > > > > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > equation ...I know Penny experiences the

> same

> > > > > > > problem ..The

> > > > > > > > > > question is what

> > > > > > > > > > > to do about it ..chelating by enzymes is

> one

> > > way

> > > > > but

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > treatment is in

> > > > > > > > > > > it's infancy ..I'm still trying to

evaluate

> > the

> > > > > > > situation ,

> > > > > > > > > > calcification

> > > > > > > > > > > .. is it a major piece of the jigsaw?

> sounds

> > it

> > > > to

> > > > > > me ..

> > > > > > > What

> > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > the team

> > > > > > > > > > > think ...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.calcify.com/

> > > > > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message.

> > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.

> > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database:

> > > 267.12.2/140 -

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[Guest guest]

Cool Tony, thanx. BTW I have some allicin, stabilized really strong,

and I am going to try and get some allitridi. It would be REALLY

interesting to me if I could send you a bit of both, probably global

priority mail so it gets there fairly quickly, and have you test what

it inhibits. Are you interested? The literature on it is pretty

encouraging--on both of them, allitridi better as an antifungal,

allicin as an antimicrobial. The problem with getting good uptake is

that stomach acids will break most of it down, so hey, its good for

gut problems, but not systemic infections (in current form).

Let me know...maybe I'll email you privately.

>

> Yes I wasn't rapped in sporinox- but just for you jill we'll give it

> another go on the tick boys organisms.-And you can see the pic which

> is a bonus- instead of listeneing to crappola.

[Guest guest]

Jill

There's something I really loath and you just put your finger on it,

people making claims.Send a small sample of both regular mail and I

will give them a run but don't be surprised if antibacterial and

antifungal just remain words in the dictionary.

Actually brings to mind an interesting read on Dr. Marshall of

helicobacter fame. He like me believed if something is giving relief

it must have an antibacterial action and an exciting moment for him

was when he discovered bismuth kills bacteria.I also did this test

and felt exactly the same way if something is working in an ilness

IT CLEARLY MUST HAVE ANTIBACTERIAL PROPERTIES. Although I must add

getting your blood thin and changing the environments bacteria

favour are very good as well.

> >

> > Yes I wasn't rapped in sporinox- but just for you jill we'll

give it

> > another go on the tick boys organisms.-And you can see the pic

which

> > is a bonus- instead of listeneing to crappola.

>

[Guest guest]

Tony I'll email you privately as I know I had your addy once but not

sure where it is.

Funny about bismuth--its antispirochetal to some extent...in about

month 2 of my lyme infection I had a craving for pepto bismol.

> > >

> > > Yes I wasn't rapped in sporinox- but just for you jill we'll

> give it

> > > another go on the tick boys organisms.-And you can see the pic

> which

> > > is a bonus- instead of listeneing to crappola.

> >

>