Lactic acid bacteria

[Guest guest]

hi Jim and all -

> The bacteria strains listed in the post by natposte #56628 are the

> most prevalent strains of this type bacteria in the gut. The product

> that I've been suggesting (I think Dr. Cheney used to suggest it

> until he moved on to Primal Defense) is Flora Source. For the price

> this is, IMO, the best value for your dollar. The FS and PD,

> comparing labels, seems to be very similar products. PD promotes

> that their product contains soil based organisms but from what I've

> read the only bacteria that will take up residency in the colon are

> bacteria of human origin. So acidophilus from a cow will thrive in a

> cows gut but not do so well in a human gut. (This is what I've read.

> If anyone knows otherwise I'd like to hear.)

here's otherwise - PD is the *only* probiotic that had any positive effect on

me. It was recommended highly by my doc (even though I was pretty skeptical)

who has other patients that seemed to be resistant to garden variety probiotics,

and I know at least a couple other people on this list who've had the same

experience.

Judith

> Some people may have enough bacteria in their gut that they can

> revive the population by making the environment friendly for its

> survival. Most people with CFS/FMS have an alkaline colon

> environment. These bacteria like a slightly acidic environment. The

> name of one of the bacteria, acidophilus, means acid loving.

>

> Supplementing alone may provide some benefit, but if the environment

> is not corrected, the bacteria cannot take up residency. You've got

> to feed the bacteria in the gut too. They live off the undigestable

> fiber in the diet and lactose. The later is one reason for including

> sweet dairy whey in the daily diet.

>

> The whole approach that I've been suggesting and that people are

> seeing positive results includes feeding the bacteria w/ Sweet Dairy

> Whey, and supplementing with a good probiotic. The other parts of

> the program are designed to hydrate the body, increase metabolism,

> restore mineral deficiencies, and detox the body.

>

> All the best,

> Jim

>

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> > Hi Al,

> >

> > Any idea where you can buy lactic acid bacteria? Steve

> >

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> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Judith and Jim.

What we have here may be the pleasant situation where you are both

right. According to a Primal Defense ad one of the jobs the soil

organisms do is help reestablish the proper PH in the intestine.

So it sounds to me that Jim and the Primal Defense people are

attempting to do the same thing through different methods.

Tom

[Guest guest]

Just looking up LAB, The majority of our gut flora should be LAB ..as you

see anong other things it sets the ph levels in the stomach .I have read

that some take vinegar in particular apple cider vinegar to try & set the

scene as it were to encourage production of LAB ..the results were mixed as

I recall ..

Lactic acid bacteria

A group of bacteria that ferment carbohydrates in the presence or absence

of oxygen with lactic acid as a major end-product.

http://www.lactospore.com/back.htm

Experiments on fermented milk products have revealed that lactic cultures

require B- vitamins for their metabolic activities. However, some lactic

cultures synthesize B-vitamins16. Friend et al. reported that the B-vitamin

content of fermented milk products was a function of species as well as the

strain of lactic acid bacteria used in their manufacture. Similarly,

vitamins are synthesized by the lactic cultures in the gut microflora, in

symbiosis with other flora.

It has been observed that the diet of the host influences the nature and

levels of beneficial intestinal microflora, such as lactobacilli. The

presence of dietary fructooligosaccharides was found to enhance the

healthful effects of intestinal lactic acid bacteria. These compounds, found

naturally in foods such as onion, edible burdock and wheat, are effectively

employed as non-nutritive sweeteners (Neosugar, Meiologo). They have the

advantage of being indigestible by humans and farm animals, rendering them

valuable in dietetic products. They are, however, selectively utilized by

intestinal lactic acid bacteria, especially bifidobacteria, thereby

enhancing the healthful effects of these beneficial intestinal flora.

LAB have antifungal properties

http://diss-epsilon.slu.se/archive/00000802/

Interaction of lactic acid bacteria with the gut immune system.

Perdigon G, Maldonado Galdeano C, Valdez JC, Medici M.

Catedra de Inmunologia, Instituto de Microbiologia, Facultad de Bioquimica,

Quimica y Farmacia, Universidad Nacional de Tucuman, Argentina.

perdigon@...

Health claims of lactic acid bacteria (LAB) used in functional foods and

pharmaceutical preparations are based on the capacity of these

microorganisms to stimulate the host immune system. In this study, the

antigenic effect of LAB (Lactobacillus acidophilus, Lactobacillus casei,

Lactobacillus delbrueckii ssp. bulgaricus and Streptococcus thermophilus) on

the gut immune system of BALB/c mice was evaluated. A dose-dependent

increase of the Bcl2 protein was observed with all LAB assayed. Furthermore,

the analysis of cytokine-producing cells in the lamina propria of gut showed

that TNFalpha and INFgamma values, determined in macrophages cultured from

Peyer patches, were enhanced for all the LAB assayed. An important increase

of interleukins IL-10 and IL-4 was observed mainly in mice fed with

Lactobacillus delbrueckii ssp. bulgaricus or Lactobacillus casei, while a

significant induction of IL-2 and IL-12 was only observed with L.

acidophilus (P<0.01). These effects were dose dependent. The role of

produced cytokines in the balance Th1/Th2 was determined by a systemic

antibody response against parenterally injected ovoalbumin. L. casei, L.

delbrueckii ssp. bulgaricus and L. acidophilus enhanced the IgG1 response

favouring Th2 balance, while L. acidophilus also increased the IgG2a

response inducing Th1 balance. S. thermophilus did not influence the balance

Th1/Th2. Our studies showed that lactic acid bacteria induce distinct

mucosal cytokine profiles showing different adjuvant capacity among them.

Thus, selection of probiotic strain with immunological properties must be

well defined to influence cytokine expression that favour the claimed immune

response.

PMID: 12556943 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Biocell. 2000 Dec;24(3):223-32. Related Articles, Links

Gut mucosal immunostimulation by lactic acid bacteria.

Vitini E, Alvarez S, Medina M, Medici M, de Budeguer MV, Perdigon G.

Catedra Inmunologia, Instituto de Microbiologia, Facultad de Bioquimica,

Quimica y Farmacia, Universidad Nacional de Tucuman, Argentina.

The beneficial properties of lactic acid bacteria (LAB) on human health have

been frequently demonstrated. The interaction of LAB with the lymphoid cells

associated to the gut to activate the mucosal immune system and the

mechanisms by which they can exert an adjuvant effect is still unclear, as

well as if this property is common for all the LAB. We studied the influence

of the oral administration of different geneous of LAB such as Lactobacillus

casei, L. acidophilus, L. rhamnosus, L. delbrueckii subsp. bulgaricus, L.

plantarum, Lactococcus lactis and Streptococcus thermophilus. We determined

if the LAB assayed were able to stimulate the specific, the non-specific

immune response (inflammatory response), or both. We demonstrated that all

the bacteria assayed were able to increase the number of IgA producing cells

associated to the lamina propria of small intestine. This effect was dose

dependent. The increase in IgA+ producing cells was not always correlated

with an increase in the CD4+ T cell number, indicating that some LAB assayed

only induced clonal expansion of B cells triggered to produce IgA. Most of

them, induced an increase in the number of cells involved in the

inflammatory immune response. CD8+ T cell were diminished or not affected,

with exception of L. plantarum that induced an increase at low dose. This

fact would mean that LAB are unable to induce cytotoxicity mechanisms. We

demonstrated the importance in the selection of LAB to be used as gut

mucosal adjuvant. The different behaviours observed among them on the gut

mucosal immune response, specially those that induce inflammatory immune

response, show that not all the LAB can be used as oral adjuvant and that

the beneficial effect of them can not generalized to genous or specie. The

immunoadjuvant capacity would be a property of the strain assayed.

PMID: 11201658 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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