Re: Barb- Ibuprofen for blood thinning?

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Ibuprofen does thin the blood - but not as much as aspirin does.

it competes for some of the same receptors as aspirin- and will block

apsirin if they're taken too close together

Ibuprofen also interacts with alot of other meds (like blood pressure

meds) -

Here's a reference site:

http://www.uic.edu/pharmacy/services/di/ibuprofen.htm

I took ibuprofen because I tried ALL the NSAIDS (even prescription)

and it worked the best for me for headache and general pain. I had

constant head aches- and migrating burning pains. It lies right in the

middle of the scale for COX 1 and 2 inhibition - there are

stronger and weaker COX 2 inhibitors- but they did not give me the pain

releif ibuprofen did.

The latest research on it is even better than when I was researching it

in 2002 to make sure I couold combine it with my abx...(I'd been using

it for years prior to my abx therapy anyway- and it hadn't eaten a hole

in my gut- nor did it ruin my kidneys.) And I knew ibuprofen could be

mised with Hydroxychloroquine (as it's done in RA patients)

So for me- it did it all.

Helpfull to retart Alzheimers:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=16195368 & query_hl=1

And it has some antimicrobial properties:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=15909927 & query_hl=7

And ibuprofen is symergystic with fluconazole

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=16115827 & query_hl=9

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> Barb

> Do you think that Ibuprofen will thin blood as aspirin is supposed to?

> What did you feel ibuprofen most helped with?I alway's viewd these

> agent's as helpfull to any cause if they killed pain.I noticed KEn

> would do 4 aspirins at a time throughout the corse of the day similar

> in nature to your ibuprofen attempts.

>

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Very interesting. Ian Lipkin says he suspects motrin (ibuprofen) will

be the preferred drug (over tylenol) to recommend to moms when they

have a flu--in order to protect the baby. I'm assuming that therefore

they think fever is not damaging so much as cytokines.

I'll keep ibuprofen in mind if I get bladder flareup again. I

normally don't take any painkillers. I think its been many years

since I did.

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> > Barb

> > Do you think that Ibuprofen will thin blood as aspirin is

supposed to?

> > What did you feel ibuprofen most helped with?I alway's viewd

these

> > agent's as helpfull to any cause if they killed pain.I noticed

KEn

> > would do 4 aspirins at a time throughout the corse of the day

similar

> > in nature to your ibuprofen attempts.

> >

>

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Barb

I was so pissed when it stopped working for my sore shins when I was

playing soccer on the weekend- over 35's league.I got about 4 to 5

weeks using it only on sunday and then no relief.I also believe the

problem with the gut is actually part of the whole picture of ill

health (stomach inflammation) rather than an ibuprofen caused ill.

I also think high dose aspirin like Ken did occasionally is in the

same league.

I hate Vit C because it runs thru me... But that's the problem that

also needs tacklin. Using the vit C intro's crap to my immune

system which dumps thru diarreah. The only problem would be to keep

the hydration going which is the salt in the salt/ C thing.

But the most important aspects of this ill health is the heart-it's

ability to pump thru all the body to keep it oxygenated and hydrated.

I suppose keeping the whole picture in perspective and sort of

knowing what your goals are seems important to me.

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> > Barb

> > Do you think that Ibuprofen will thin blood as aspirin is

supposed to?

> > What did you feel ibuprofen most helped with?I alway's viewd

these

> > agent's as helpfull to any cause if they killed pain.I noticed

KEn

> > would do 4 aspirins at a time throughout the corse of the day

similar

> > in nature to your ibuprofen attempts.

> >

>

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Thanks for the post Barb, here's what i have on Ibuprofen & co

Taking Ibuprofen has a duel effect ..reducing inflammation & works as an Antifungal

Antifungal activity of ibuprofen alone and in combination with fluconazole against Candida species.Pina-Vaz C, Sansonetty F, Rodrigues AG, ez-De-Oliveira J, Fonseca AF, Mardh PA.Department of Microbiology, Porto School of Medicine, University of Porto, Portugal. micfam@...Ibuprofen, a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug, exhibited antimicrobial activity against Candida albicans and non-albicans strains. At 10 mg/ml, ibuprofen showed a rapid cidal activity against exponential growth phase C. albicans, accompanied by rapid and extensive leakage of intracellular K+, permeation to propidium iodide, lysis of spheroplasts and severe membrane ultrastructural alterations. These results indicate that the killing of Candida cells is due to direct damage to the cytoplasmic membrane. At 5 mg/ml, ibuprofen inhibited growth; however, it did not kill the yeasts and did not directly affect the cytoplasmic membrane. Evaluation of yeast metabolic vitality with the fluorescent probe FUN-1 showed that growth inhibition induced by the fungistatic drug concentration was due to metabolic alterations. The combination of ibuprofen with fluconazole resulted in synergic activity with eight of the 12 Candida strains studied, including four of the five fluconazole-resistant strains. The MICs of fluconazole for the fluconazole-resistant strains decreased 2-128-fold when the drug was associated with ibuprofen. When in combination with fluconazole, MICs for ibuprofen decreased by up to 64-fold for all the 12 strains studied. These results point to the practicability of using ibuprofen, alone or in combination with azoles, in the treatment of candidosis, particularly when applied topically, taking advantage of the drug's antifungal and anti-inflammatory properties.PMID: 10966233 see also PMID: 15679664 , PMID: 10952582 , PMID: 11128557 sodium salicylate

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of Barb PeckSent: 12 October 2005 03:35infections Subject: [infections] Re: Barb- Ibuprofen for blood thinning?Ibuprofen does thin the blood - but not as much as aspirin does.it competes for some of the same receptors as aspirin- and will block apsirin if they're taken too close togetherIbuprofen also interacts with alot of other meds (like blood pressure meds) - Here's a reference site:http://www.uic.edu/pharmacy/services/di/ibuprofen.htmI took ibuprofen because I tried ALL the NSAIDS (even prescription)and it worked the best for me for headache and general pain. I had constant head aches- and migrating burning pains. It lies right in the middle of the scale for COX 1 and 2 inhibition - there arestronger and weaker COX 2 inhibitors- but they did not give me the pain releif ibuprofen did. The latest research on it is even better than when I was researching it in 2002 to make sure I couold combine it with my abx...(I'd been using it for years prior to my abx therapy anyway- and it hadn't eaten a hole in my gut- nor did it ruin my kidneys.) And I knew ibuprofen could be mised with Hydroxychloroquine (as it's done in RA patients)So for me- it did it all.Helpfull to retart Alzheimers:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=16195368 & query_hl=1And it has some antimicrobial properties:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=15909927 & query_hl=7And ibuprofen is symergystic with fluconazolehttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=16115827 & query_hl=9>> Barb> Do you think that Ibuprofen will thin blood as aspirin is supposed to?> What did you feel ibuprofen most helped with?I alway's viewd these > agent's as helpfull to any cause if they killed pain.I noticed KEn > would do 4 aspirins at a time throughout the corse of the day similar > in nature to your ibuprofen attempts.>

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If vit C runs right thru you and ibuprofen stopped working- is it

possible you're just not absorbing it?

I agree with J, that the gut has to be addressed simultaneously

with everything else- and that's hard sometimes when taking abx

and/or if there's multiple problems- which there always seems to be.

Almost everyone who's chronically inflammed seems to have some sort

of gut issues-

Barb

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> > > Barb

> > > Do you think that Ibuprofen will thin blood as aspirin is

> supposed to?

> > > What did you feel ibuprofen most helped with?I alway's viewd

> these

> > > agent's as helpfull to any cause if they killed pain.I noticed

> KEn

> > > would do 4 aspirins at a time throughout the corse of the day

> similar

> > > in nature to your ibuprofen attempts.

> > >

> >

>

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What about Naproxen?

penny

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> Ibuprofen does thin the blood - but not as much as aspirin does.

> it competes for some of the same receptors as aspirin- and will

block

> apsirin if they're taken too close together

>