Re: dumbing down the d argument...

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Dura

I have a cousin with MS that has been adding the D for 20 years, MY

gut feeling is that if you don't have huge inflammation of huge

amounts of damaged tissue that can create inflammation the D may be

king.My cousin just kept getting worse no matter how advanced his

supplementing attempts of many things were.I just found the D thing

amusing it seems to have overiden everything Ken was previously

doing due to his runins with the unamable group.Dura I still think

the inflammation and it's clamping is at the heart of our problems

and must be addressed before supplementing- if your calcium is being

leached out of your bones by inflammation, we really need to know

that the D at this point ain't going to do any harm.

> > > > I'd set it free.

> > > >

> > > > Yah know -if I were the list owner (Penny), - and beleive me

I'd

> > > > never, NEVER want that job- I'd tell the list to moderate

> > > > themselves. I think Penny just doesn't like to weild that

> > power

> > > of

> > > > control that some other moderators just love to exercise.

> > > >

> > > > People will either drop off the list- remain as lurkers, or

be

> > > driven

> > > > off by others that rise to the occassion to remind them

they're

> > > out

> > > > of bounds.

> > > >

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Tony,

Is your cousin treating a deficiency or just supplementing and hoping for the

best? I

think your mantra of " test test test " before treating applies equally in this

case....

Also, low D leaches calcium from bone to keep up serum calcium. Indeed, my

serum

calcium, usually a bit high, is down in the most recent measurement. This may

be

spurious so I'll withold a final judgement until further data...

Anyway no sense in supplementing if there isn't a deficiency... And treating

infection

isn't an either/or situation with supplementing to address measured

deficiencies. All

the abx in the world aren't going to be optimal if the body itself can respond

properly

to them if it isn't able to operate on all cylinders.

~DM

> > > > > I'd set it free.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yah know -if I were the list owner (Penny), - and beleive me

> I'd

> > > > > never, NEVER want that job- I'd tell the list to moderate

> > > > > themselves. I think Penny just doesn't like to weild that

> > > power

> > > > of

> > > > > control that some other moderators just love to exercise.

> > > > >

> > > > > People will either drop off the list- remain as lurkers, or

> be

> > > > driven

> > > > > off by others that rise to the occassion to remind them

> they're

> > > > out

> > > > > of bounds.

> > > > >

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DM

I agree, and that's why ABx and similar protocols can end up

backfiring on us, it's waht happened to me. This is along the lines

of what Ken has been demonstrating in his models too, and Rich in his

articles on glutathione.

It's only after reducing my inflammation and coagulation levels to

the extent I have achieved now, that's made me realise just to what

extent they were adversely affecting me along with previous seemingly

unrelated health and disability issues. Correcting the ion

channelopathy with balanced electrolyte salts has also enabled me to

progress further.

I have another non infection issue to address before I make any

decisions over long term and high dose ABx, otherwise I will just add

to my problems as before instead of making progress.

Infections and inflammation are undoubtedly making and keeping us

ill. But as some posters here have pointed out, we may have to

consider why they became such a problem in the first place, or the

wide ranging ramifications of them, when making decisions on how we

treat the various infections which may be involved.

Tansy

> > > Actually, what Ken said was that if you are

chronically/seriously

> > ill, check out your Vit

> > > D levels in addition to other things. Oftentimes, Vit D levels

> > are low and

> > > supplementation to normal levels can actually resolve many

> > symptoms. He also said

> > > that Vit D deficiency can occur in many disease states.

> > >

> > > Indeed, in the course of serious illness, not being out of

doors

> > (SUNSHINE) or having

> > > eating/nutrition issues can certainly lead to such a

deficiency.

> > And having such a

> > > deficiency can yield a variety of symptoms or worsen symptoms

> > original to the

> > > disease at hand.

> > >

> > > Not because I asked, or anything I read, but because I have

been

> > bed-bound for a

> > > very extended period of time and because I had severe

> > GI/malnutrition issues, my

> > > docs checked MANY of my vitamin levels. Along with other

> > deficiencies, D was

> > > among them (should be above 50 at least, mine was 8). Since

> > supplementation

> > > starting 2-3 weeks ago, the bone pain I'd been having has

> > diminshied dramatically. I

> > > and my docs simply assumed that the pain was part and parcel of

> > the disease I have.

> > > The response to supplementation suggests otherwise.

> > >

> > > And that is exactly the point that Ken has been making,

according

> > to my reading of

> > > his posts. To say otherwise is a gross oversimplification of

his

> > work.

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Dura

He told me he initially tested low in D and as well as everyone else

with MS according to him.

I find he is lucky that he has very quiet bugs and suffers no

allergy like symptoms.I also strongly believe soime things can only

be done when your so far along in the process. I eat lots of fruit

and veg at the moment becuase I need my anatomy to have high levels

of flavonoids, and all the benefits of repairing poorly perfused

tissue.This is something I couldn't even get near when violently ill.

So by all means supplement- but everything has a timing component

IMO.

Dura there's an interesting post on experimental about someone

needing to loose there feet because of a mono attack that lead to

muscle eating bacteria. I can associate with this because the arms

and legs have to come off to stop the infection killing in many

cases of long undiagnosed meningitis/sepsis.I feel this is also a

key to getting to understand that these ilnesses cause major damage

(undiagnosed) that doesn't go away with mild therapies.

> > > > > > I'd set it free.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yah know -if I were the list owner (Penny), - and

beleive me

> > I'd

> > > > > > never, NEVER want that job- I'd tell the list to

moderate

> > > > > > themselves. I think Penny just doesn't like to weild

that

> > > > power

> > > > > of

> > > > > > control that some other moderators just love to exercise.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > People will either drop off the list- remain as lurkers,

or

> > be

> > > > > driven

> > > > > > off by others that rise to the occassion to remind them

> > they're

> > > > > out

> > > > > > of bounds.

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Tansy, I'd be interested in knowing specifically what you've done to

reduce your inflammation and coagulation issues. Also, very interested

in knowing how you balanced your electrolytes.

thanks,

penny

" tansyap " <tansyap@y...> wrote:

>

> It's only after reducing my inflammation and coagulation levels to

> the extent I have achieved now, that's made me realise just to what

extent they were adversely affecting me along with previous seemingly

unrelated health and disability issues. Correcting the ion

channelopathy with balanced electrolyte salts has also enabled me to

progress further.

>