Re: The official word on Dark Field Microscopy in the U.S.

[Guest guest]

Okay, not trying to beat a dead horse, but basically the law says

that if you get reported for having a non-compliant lab, which would

be the case if you did not get govt. clearance for having a dark

field microscope on the premises, your medical practice can be

legally shut down. Of course, this would not apply to most research

facilities, because they already have that clearance. Doctor's

offices don't.

So if there's a doctor you really don't like, and he's got a scope,

all you have to do is report him to the state department of

laboratories and he could be out of business depending on how much

the state doesn't like him either. It's their call. I don't think

most doctors want to risk it, at least doctors who submit insurance

or medicare claims. Insurance companies would have no problem

putting such doctors out of business.

penny

> Excerpt from the previous link: (Admittedly, the guy's generally

> a...well, I might get sued if I say what I think...so let's just

> say, controversial.)

>

> In 2001, the HHS Office of the Inspector General issued a report

on

> regulation of " unestablished laboratory tests " that focused on

live

> blood cell analysis [9]. In 2004, the Centers for Medicare &

> Medicaid Services issued a special alert which stated that any

> facility performing live blood cell analysis must have CLIA

> certification for high-complexity testing [8]. Very few

> practitioners who do live blood cell analysis would have reason to

> seek laboratory certification; and if they did, I doubt that they

> would get permission. However, the states have jurisdiction over

> whether noncompliant laboratories are permitted to remain in

> business.

>

> If you encounter anyone who performs any type of live cell

analysis,

> please report this to your state department of laboratories and

send

> a copy of your notice to me at P.O. Box 1747, town, PA 18105.

[Guest guest]

I really hope lyme docs know this. If you know any doc, using live

cell microscopy, you should warn him. My doc didn't know anything

about it, and he practices both allopathic as well as " alternative "

forms of medicine (that are scientifically researched).

penny

> Okay, not trying to beat a dead horse, but basically the law says

> that if you get reported for having a non-compliant lab, which

would

> be the case if you did not get govt. clearance for having a dark

> field microscope on the premises, your medical practice can be

> legally shut down. Of course, this would not apply to most

research

> facilities, because they already have that clearance. Doctor's

> offices don't.

>

> So if there's a doctor you really don't like, and he's got a

scope,

> all you have to do is report him to the state department of

> laboratories and he could be out of business depending on how much

> the state doesn't like him either. It's their call. I don't think

> most doctors want to risk it, at least doctors who submit

insurance

> or medicare claims. Insurance companies would have no problem

> putting such doctors out of business.

>

> penny

>

[Guest guest]

The group I go (went?) to does it as research. I signed clearances to

be a research subject in order to have the analysis done.

My 3rd-yr med school friend here at UVA is so busy she comes by to get

me from the library so I can talk to her while she walks to her car,

otherwise I'd never see her. I dont think she ever sees anyone but her

boyfriend for above 10 minutes. And after that kind of intensive study

the gov is gonna tell her what kind of microscope illumination is

kosher? Far out.

Then again, whats even more incredible is that all that schooling

doesnt make more doctors sharper, more self-reliant, and more

evidential. I think for one thing they just have way too much to try

to learn...

> I really hope lyme docs know this. If you know any doc, using live

> cell microscopy, you should warn him. My doc didn't know anything

> about it, and he practices both allopathic as well as " alternative "

> forms of medicine (that are scientifically researched).

>

> penny

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah, and wait until she does her residency, where for 2 years

they'll make her see several hundred patients a day even when she

hasn't slept in 72 hours. It's the medical establishment's form of

extended boot camp. Military style brainwashing under extreme

duress. They survive by doing, not thinking. The ones who DO survive

do everything they've been told. :-(

penny

p.s. glad your docs have that lab clearance.

" " <usenethod@y...> wrote:

> My 3rd-yr med school friend here at UVA is so busy she comes by to

get

> me from the library so I can talk to her while she walks to her

car,

> otherwise I'd never see her. I dont think she ever sees anyone but

her

> boyfriend for above 10 minutes. And after that kind of intensive

study

> the gov is gonna tell her what kind of microscope illumination is

> kosher? Far out.

>

> Then again, whats even more incredible is that all that schooling

> doesnt make more doctors sharper, more self-reliant, and more

> evidential. I think for one thing they just have way too much to

try

> to learn...

>

>

[Guest guest]

Penny

I suppose this places the medicare medicard people in the loop of

loopy diagnosis. I know here in aus it's out of pocket and no-ones

jumping up and down since it's not interferring in the system of

providing health care.

> > Excerpt from the previous link: (Admittedly, the guy's generally

> > a...well, I might get sued if I say what I think...so let's just

> > say, controversial.)

> >

> > In 2001, the HHS Office of the Inspector General issued a report

> on

> > regulation of " unestablished laboratory tests " that focused on

> live

> > blood cell analysis [9]. In 2004, the Centers for Medicare &

> > Medicaid Services issued a special alert which stated that any

> > facility performing live blood cell analysis must have CLIA

> > certification for high-complexity testing [8]. Very few

> > practitioners who do live blood cell analysis would have reason

to

> > seek laboratory certification; and if they did, I doubt that

they

> > would get permission. However, the states have jurisdiction over

> > whether noncompliant laboratories are permitted to remain in

> > business.

> >

> > If you encounter anyone who performs any type of live cell

> analysis,

> > please report this to your state department of laboratories and

> send

> > a copy of your notice to me at P.O. Box 1747, town, PA

18105.

[Guest guest]

That seems to be a recent directive.

So... what does this mean for all the " Have DF Microscope will

Travel " Bradford reps.????? They're alittle traveling non-compliant

lab then.

People my age on this list - who are familiar with ALT therapies for

the past 30 years - may know as I do, that The Robt. Bradford of the

DF microspcoy fame is the SAME man that was pushing peach pits

(laetrile) in the 1970's when he was a much younger man. He had to

move his opeation to Mexico then....

I know there are alot of glowing reports about Bradford.. but

my direct personal experience with one of his Docs and her microscope

was a joke.

It soured me on this whole traveling show.

Someone desperate for a dx would have beleived anything she said.

I remain unconvinced the Bradford REPS know what the hell they're

doing. I question the standards that have to be met to " graduate "

from Bradford's program.

Barb

> > Excerpt from the previous link: (Admittedly, the guy's generally

> > a...well, I might get sued if I say what I think...so let's just

> > say, controversial.)

> >

> > In 2001, the HHS Office of the Inspector General issued a report

> on

> > regulation of " unestablished laboratory tests " that focused on

> live

> > blood cell analysis [9]. In 2004, the Centers for Medicare &

> > Medicaid Services issued a special alert which stated that any

> > facility performing live blood cell analysis must have CLIA

> > certification for high-complexity testing [8]. Very few

> > practitioners who do live blood cell analysis would have reason

to

> > seek laboratory certification; and if they did, I doubt that they

> > would get permission. However, the states have jurisdiction over

> > whether noncompliant laboratories are permitted to remain in

> > business.

> >

> > If you encounter anyone who performs any type of live cell

> analysis,

> > please report this to your state department of laboratories and

> send

> > a copy of your notice to me at P.O. Box 1747, town, PA 18105.

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I went to that mexican clinic that Bradford used to be

involved with (he sold out) and apparently, Bradford himself is a

very unhealthy guy on constant i.v. abx? Something like that, I may

have the details wrong, so please don't quote me.

The clinic definitely wasn't doing any peach pit stuff but had for

some time been doing a kind of bleach i.v. which is what actually

interested me a great deal. However, they were charging a lot for

something that should be relatively cheap (because they knew

everyone in the U.S. is afraid to use the treatment for fear of that

famous HSS scrutiny).

When I got there to talk about the bleach i.v.s, they were actually

much more excited about another therapy. They had once again

switched their focus to very expensive stem cell injections. As a

matter of fact, while I was there, a woman arrived (on private jet)

for her second, $10,000 stem cell injection. Bleach i.v.s were passe

(at least as a money maker). :-)

I don't know much at all about the latriele fiasco or how the clinic

was involved, but I do know there's some evidence to support both

the bleach i.v.s and the stem cell injections. There's a well known,

yet controversial, CFS doc in L.A. who flies to Europe to get stem

cell stuff for " research " . He's also sick, and he's REALLY into it.

This clinic also had a live cell microscope on the premises, and it

was pretty funny, as their pronouncements were actually completely

contradictory (two different docs looked at the slides without

knowing the other doc did) not to mention, I was there with Dr.

Odell, who at the time (this was before his death) had his own dark

field microscope.

penny

> That seems to be a recent directive.

>

> So... what does this mean for all the " Have DF Microscope will

> Travel " Bradford reps.????? They're alittle traveling non-

compliant

> lab then.

>

> People my age on this list - who are familiar with ALT therapies

for

> the past 30 years - may know as I do, that The Robt. Bradford of

the

> DF microspcoy fame is the SAME man that was pushing peach pits

> (laetrile) in the 1970's when he was a much younger man. He had

to

> move his opeation to Mexico then....

>

> I know there are alot of glowing reports about Bradford.. but

> my direct personal experience with one of his Docs and her

microscope

> was a joke.

> It soured me on this whole traveling show.

> Someone desperate for a dx would have beleived anything she said.

>

> I remain unconvinced the Bradford REPS know what the hell they're

> doing. I question the standards that have to be met to " graduate "

> from Bradford's program.

>

> Barb

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Barb,

> ...Robt. Bradford of the DF microspcoy fame is the SAME man that was

> pushing peach pits (laetrile) in the 1970's when he was a much younger

> man.

No! You're kidding!

It took years before most people were convinced that laetrile was

worthless, and I'll bet there are still people around, even on this

list, who think it will cure cancer. (I'm sure you can guess the rest

of what I'm thinking.)

Sue ,

Upstate New York

[Guest guest]

My hyperbaric doc, whose family got lyme, and who trained herself in

microscopy, says Bradford is total crap. She tried it and thinks its

worthless.

> > > Excerpt from the previous link: (Admittedly, the guy's

generally

> > > a...well, I might get sued if I say what I think...so let's

just

> > > say, controversial.)

> > >

> > > In 2001, the HHS Office of the Inspector General issued a

report

> > on

> > > regulation of " unestablished laboratory tests " that focused on

> > live

> > > blood cell analysis [9]. In 2004, the Centers for Medicare &

> > > Medicaid Services issued a special alert which stated that any

> > > facility performing live blood cell analysis must have CLIA

> > > certification for high-complexity testing [8]. Very few

> > > practitioners who do live blood cell analysis would have reason

> to

> > > seek laboratory certification; and if they did, I doubt that

they

> > > would get permission. However, the states have jurisdiction

over

> > > whether noncompliant laboratories are permitted to remain in

> > > business.

> > >

> > > If you encounter anyone who performs any type of live cell

> > analysis,

> > > please report this to your state department of laboratories and

> > send

> > > a copy of your notice to me at P.O. Box 1747, town, PA

18105.