Guest guest Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 Penny, how do you thinkj your jaw OM/ON started...with wisdom tooth extractions that may not have been necessary? I'm being told I need a crown now. I may try to get them to do a porcelain onlay instead....a quick google of crowns shows me they're just one step on the way to root canal. I was thinking I would ozonate some water at home and when I am at the dentists office and they pop off the temporary suddenly, oh my god, I'm getting my period, I have to go the bathroom, sorry! And go in their bathroom and swish ozone water all over my mouth lol, and then go back. They REALLY think that with their drills they can rid a tooth of bacteria by ridding it of visible decay? Once they start messing with your teeth as a kid--braces, amalgams...they've ruined them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 " jill1313 " <jenbooks13@h...> wrote: They REALLY think that with their drills they can rid a tooth of > bacteria by ridding it of visible decay? Once they start messing with your teeth as a kid--braces, amalgams...they've ruined them. I hear ya Jill. Very true. Everything about dentistry is wrong, except maybe pulling rotten teeth. But even that can be a problem. Eg. They say not pulling wisdom teeth is a bad thing, but pulling them can be bad too if they leave pockets of infection behind. The OM had been long under way by the time they took the wisdom teeth out. Remember, I had no noticeable problems with my teeth, but when I was trying to find some source of infection in my body I went to a few dentists/surgeons and the prognosis was that my wisdom teeth were impacted and should probably come out. So I went to a friend of the family who's a periodontist to get an opinion I felt I could trust, and as he was doing an inspection of each tooth, down below the gum line, making comments for his assistant to record, he came to the first wisdom tooth and yelled " pus " ! So my teeth were already oozing pus below the gum line at that point, but nothing visible during regular dentist visits. Certainly a condition completely outside my own awareness. Actually, I think my problems started years ago, and involves both the jaw and the sinuses. They feed back and forth at this point, and I can't say for sure which problem came first. But having pneumonia and bronchitis as a child, I'm strongly suspecting that c.pneumonia may have made me susceptible to other infections. I've had mild symptoms of a chronic infection most of my life, but some bad dental work probably pushed me over the edge into autoimmune land and cfs. The place in my jaw where I had the worst osteonecrosis and most dead bone removed, was the same place in my jaw where I had the most novacaine injections. I got talked into putting crowns (that I probably didn't need) on some childhood fillings (back then, I completely trusted dentists). The first set of crowns caused me pain all the time. The dentist eventually claimed that I was allergic to the adhesive and made an entire new set. It took over 2 years for them to get 4 crowns in my mouth that were even passable, and my bite, which wasn't great to begin with, was seriously screwed up. But the worst part was the trauma to my jaw. Because of all the injections and sessions with my mouth being pried open for hours, my jaw was ultra sensitive for a good long time after that experience, and has never been quite the same since. I developed TMJ from that whole experience, although wasn't aware I had it for many years to come. Even if the dentistry didn't cause my illness, I'm quite confident that it made it much worse. It was after that 2 year period of dental work gone wrong, that I then got a nasty sinus infection from a YMCA pool. The doc couldn't get rid of it and he didn't want me to do many abx so I toughed it out. That sinus infection came with daily, excruciating sinus headaches, which eventually stopped and the sinuses seemed to clear up on their own. But then, for the first time in my life, I suddenly began having migraines. No one ever looked at my sinuses, because I never had any typical sinus symptoms. Later on, during my OM investigations (after the removal of those wisdom teeth and my health deterioating badly), an oral surgeon looked at my ct scans and feaked because he said my sinuses were seriously diseased and no way he would operate on my jaw, until they were taken care of, because, he said, any extraction would break through to the sinuses and I'd then have a serious problem on my hands. He really had no idea how true that was. Or that I already HAD a serious problem on my hands. Since then it's been a long and discouraging road discovering how insidious, invisible and difficult this infection is. Also, how common it really is. My doctor started talking to his patients with chronic illness and the numbers who've also had dental problems is staggering. And then, when you think about the people who are oblivious to the rot in their heads (like I was) because they're asymptomatic, it gets really scary. It's scary when infection gets to places that can't regenerate easily, like bone. But bacteria loves bone, because it's so well hidden from the immune system there. It also loves organs and deep tissue and has a field day in the sinuses. Bacteria are very good at finding the best hiding places. Depressing thinking about it. But the good news is, I'm feeling really great right now, so there's hope. Can't believe it. My kids are shocked. I'm doing stuff again. I was out shopping with them for school clothes all day today, and acting totally hyper. At one point they were laughing and telling me I've gone goofy. I said no, let me introduce you to your mother! :-) penny --- In infections , > Penny, how do you thinkj your jaw OM/ON started...with wisdom tooth > extractions that may not have been necessary? > > I'm being told I need a crown now. I may try to get them to do a > porcelain onlay instead....a quick google of crowns shows me they're > just one step on the way to root canal. > > I was thinking I would ozonate some water at home and when I am at the > dentists office and they pop off the temporary suddenly, oh my god, > I'm getting my period, I have to go the bathroom, sorry! And go in > their bathroom and swish ozone water all over my mouth lol, and then > go back. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 This is scary. I really am going to try to get a porcelain onlay, not a crown. Using antibiotics plus hyperbaric sometimes gets into the bone... Penny, I emailed you privately but I'm not sure you got it. COuld you email me the name of the New Mexico doc who does the catscans? I sometiems go to New Mexico and I'd just like to have that reference. Email me at jenbooks13@..., Thanx. In any case, I'd love to have that name for future reference. > They REALLY think that with their drills they can rid a tooth of > > bacteria by ridding it of visible decay? Once they start messing > with your teeth as a kid--braces, amalgams...they've ruined them. > > > > I hear ya Jill. Very true. Everything about dentistry is wrong, > except maybe pulling rotten teeth. But even that can be a problem. > Eg. They say not pulling wisdom teeth is a bad thing, but pulling > them can be bad too if they leave pockets of infection behind. > > The OM had been long under way by the time they took the wisdom > teeth out. Remember, I had no noticeable problems with my teeth, but > when I was trying to find some source of infection in my body I went > to a few dentists/surgeons and the prognosis was that my wisdom > teeth were impacted and should probably come out. So I went to a > friend of the family who's a periodontist to get an opinion I felt I > could trust, and as he was doing an inspection of each tooth, down > below the gum line, making comments for his assistant to record, he > came to the first wisdom tooth and yelled " pus " ! So my teeth were > already oozing pus below the gum line at that point, but nothing > visible during regular dentist visits. Certainly a condition > completely outside my own awareness. > > Actually, I think my problems started years ago, and involves both > the jaw and the sinuses. They feed back and forth at this point, and > I can't say for sure which problem came first. But having pneumonia > and bronchitis as a child, I'm strongly suspecting that c.pneumonia > may have made me susceptible to other infections. I've had mild > symptoms of a chronic infection most of my life, but some bad dental > work probably pushed me over the edge into autoimmune land and cfs. > > The place in my jaw where I had the worst osteonecrosis and most > dead bone removed, was the same place in my jaw where I had the most > novacaine injections. I got talked into putting crowns (that I > probably didn't need) on some childhood fillings (back then, I > completely trusted dentists). The first set of crowns caused me pain > all the time. The dentist eventually claimed that I was allergic to > the adhesive and made an entire new set. It took over 2 years for > them to get 4 crowns in my mouth that were even passable, and my > bite, which wasn't great to begin with, was seriously screwed up. > But the worst part was the trauma to my jaw. Because of all the > injections and sessions with my mouth being pried open for hours, my > jaw was ultra sensitive for a good long time after that experience, > and has never been quite the same since. I developed TMJ from that > whole experience, although wasn't aware I had it for many years to > come. > > Even if the dentistry didn't cause my illness, I'm quite confident > that it made it much worse. It was after that 2 year period of > dental work gone wrong, that I then got a nasty sinus infection from > a YMCA pool. The doc couldn't get rid of it and he didn't want me to > do many abx so I toughed it out. That sinus infection came with > daily, excruciating sinus headaches, which eventually stopped and > the sinuses seemed to clear up on their own. But then, for the first > time in my life, I suddenly began having migraines. No one ever > looked at my sinuses, because I never had any typical sinus symptoms. > > Later on, during my OM investigations (after the removal of those > wisdom teeth and my health deterioating badly), an oral surgeon > looked at my ct scans and feaked because he said my sinuses were > seriously diseased and no way he would operate on my jaw, until they > were taken care of, because, he said, any extraction would break > through to the sinuses and I'd then have a serious problem on my > hands. He really had no idea how true that was. Or that I already > HAD a serious problem on my hands. > > Since then it's been a long and discouraging road discovering how > insidious, invisible and difficult this infection is. Also, how > common it really is. My doctor started talking to his patients with > chronic illness and the numbers who've also had dental problems is > staggering. And then, when you think about the people who are > oblivious to the rot in their heads (like I was) because they're > asymptomatic, it gets really scary. It's scary when infection gets > to places that can't regenerate easily, like bone. But bacteria > loves bone, because it's so well hidden from the immune system > there. It also loves organs and deep tissue and has a field day in > the sinuses. Bacteria are very good at finding the best hiding > places. > > Depressing thinking about it. But the good news is, I'm feeling > really great right now, so there's hope. Can't believe it. My kids > are shocked. I'm doing stuff again. I was out shopping with them for > school clothes all day today, and acting totally hyper. At one point > they were laughing and telling me I've gone goofy. I said no, let me > introduce you to your mother! :-) > > penny > > > --- In infections , > Penny, how do > you thinkj your jaw OM/ON started...with wisdom tooth > > extractions that may not have been necessary? > > > > I'm being told I need a crown now. I may try to get them to do a > > porcelain onlay instead....a quick google of crowns shows me > they're > > just one step on the way to root canal. > > > > I was thinking I would ozonate some water at home and when I am at > the > > dentists office and they pop off the temporary suddenly, oh my > god, > > I'm getting my period, I have to go the bathroom, sorry! And go in > > their bathroom and swish ozone water all over my mouth lol, and > then > > go back. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 Yes, HBOT is commonly prescribed after osteomyelitis surgery (of the foot or hip)...it should be a plus when it comes to any kind of dental surgery as well. For one thing it promotes more rapid healing. And getting more oxygen anywhere there are anaerobic bacteria is a good thing. penny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 Mine are procelain over gold. I paid a grand for my last crown. Barb > > They REALLY think that with their drills they can rid a tooth of > > > bacteria by ridding it of visible decay? Once they start messing > > with your teeth as a kid--braces, amalgams...they've ruined them. > > > > > > > > I hear ya Jill. Very true. Everything about dentistry is wrong, > > except maybe pulling rotten teeth. But even that can be a problem. > > Eg. They say not pulling wisdom teeth is a bad thing, but pulling > > them can be bad too if they leave pockets of infection behind. > > > > The OM had been long under way by the time they took the wisdom > > teeth out. Remember, I had no noticeable problems with my teeth, > but > > when I was trying to find some source of infection in my body I > went > > to a few dentists/surgeons and the prognosis was that my wisdom > > teeth were impacted and should probably come out. So I went to a > > friend of the family who's a periodontist to get an opinion I felt > I > > could trust, and as he was doing an inspection of each tooth, down > > below the gum line, making comments for his assistant to record, he > > came to the first wisdom tooth and yelled " pus " ! So my teeth were > > already oozing pus below the gum line at that point, but nothing > > visible during regular dentist visits. Certainly a condition > > completely outside my own awareness. > > > > Actually, I think my problems started years ago, and involves both > > the jaw and the sinuses. They feed back and forth at this point, > and > > I can't say for sure which problem came first. But having pneumonia > > and bronchitis as a child, I'm strongly suspecting that c.pneumonia > > may have made me susceptible to other infections. I've had mild > > symptoms of a chronic infection most of my life, but some bad > dental > > work probably pushed me over the edge into autoimmune land and cfs. > > > > The place in my jaw where I had the worst osteonecrosis and most > > dead bone removed, was the same place in my jaw where I had the > most > > novacaine injections. I got talked into putting crowns (that I > > probably didn't need) on some childhood fillings (back then, I > > completely trusted dentists). The first set of crowns caused me > pain > > all the time. The dentist eventually claimed that I was allergic to > > the adhesive and made an entire new set. It took over 2 years for > > them to get 4 crowns in my mouth that were even passable, and my > > bite, which wasn't great to begin with, was seriously screwed up. > > But the worst part was the trauma to my jaw. Because of all the > > injections and sessions with my mouth being pried open for hours, > my > > jaw was ultra sensitive for a good long time after that experience, > > and has never been quite the same since. I developed TMJ from that > > whole experience, although wasn't aware I had it for many years to > > come. > > > > Even if the dentistry didn't cause my illness, I'm quite confident > > that it made it much worse. It was after that 2 year period of > > dental work gone wrong, that I then got a nasty sinus infection > from > > a YMCA pool. The doc couldn't get rid of it and he didn't want me > to > > do many abx so I toughed it out. That sinus infection came with > > daily, excruciating sinus headaches, which eventually stopped and > > the sinuses seemed to clear up on their own. But then, for the > first > > time in my life, I suddenly began having migraines. No one ever > > looked at my sinuses, because I never had any typical sinus > symptoms. > > > > Later on, during my OM investigations (after the removal of those > > wisdom teeth and my health deterioating badly), an oral surgeon > > looked at my ct scans and feaked because he said my sinuses were > > seriously diseased and no way he would operate on my jaw, until > they > > were taken care of, because, he said, any extraction would break > > through to the sinuses and I'd then have a serious problem on my > > hands. He really had no idea how true that was. Or that I already > > HAD a serious problem on my hands. > > > > Since then it's been a long and discouraging road discovering how > > insidious, invisible and difficult this infection is. Also, how > > common it really is. My doctor started talking to his patients with > > chronic illness and the numbers who've also had dental problems is > > staggering. And then, when you think about the people who are > > oblivious to the rot in their heads (like I was) because they're > > asymptomatic, it gets really scary. It's scary when infection gets > > to places that can't regenerate easily, like bone. But bacteria > > loves bone, because it's so well hidden from the immune system > > there. It also loves organs and deep tissue and has a field day in > > the sinuses. Bacteria are very good at finding the best hiding > > places. > > > > Depressing thinking about it. But the good news is, I'm feeling > > really great right now, so there's hope. Can't believe it. My kids > > are shocked. I'm doing stuff again. I was out shopping with them > for > > school clothes all day today, and acting totally hyper. At one > point > > they were laughing and telling me I've gone goofy. I said no, let > me > > introduce you to your mother! :-) > > > > penny > > > > > > --- In infections , > Penny, how do > > you thinkj your jaw OM/ON started...with wisdom tooth > > > extractions that may not have been necessary? > > > > > > I'm being told I need a crown now. I may try to get them to do a > > > porcelain onlay instead....a quick google of crowns shows me > > they're > > > just one step on the way to root canal. > > > > > > I was thinking I would ozonate some water at home and when I am > at > > the > > > dentists office and they pop off the temporary suddenly, oh my > > god, > > > I'm getting my period, I have to go the bathroom, sorry! And go > in > > > their bathroom and swish ozone water all over my mouth lol, and > > then > > > go back. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 That's good Barb. A scam dentists used to commonly run was porcelain over nickel. It was super cheap for the dentist, and the patient never knew the difference, paying the big bucks for a " porcelain crown " . Nickel is not a good metal to have in your mouth. Mercury's big problem that many people are not aware is the fact that it continues to expand forever, and can cause microscopic cracks in your teeth, which become direct ports of access for bacteria into the dentin tubules, which stretch for miles. A tight fit's really important with crowns too, so that no bacteria can sneak in under the rim...easier said than done. If I had it to do over again, I never would have gotten those crowns. I never had an infected tooth until I got my first crown. If the tooth is beyond being filled, then I'd just pull it. At this point for me though, pulling is too risky. I'm getting scans done in the next couple months, and will have a better idea what I'm dealing with and how to approach it. Last thing I want to do is set myself back now. penny > Mine are procelain over gold. > I paid a grand for my last crown. > > Barb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 I won't let them perpetuate a scam on me, thats for sure. Lance, from whom I got my chamber, thought he'd had all hismercury fillings removed--and had explained to the dentist that he was doing it for his health--and the guy only removed the tops and filled with porcelain. So he had to redo them all 10 years later PLUS he'd done chelation while he still had the mercury but didn't know it. So one probably practically has to get them to sign something! An onlay would clearly be porcelain. > > Mine are procelain over gold. > > I paid a grand for my last crown. > > > > Barb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 I just did a gold one - in the back on a chewer tooth. I didn't do porcelain because the tooth gets much wear and I also have trouble with adhesives. My DDS is now lyme-literate because he spent two years with me having weekly visits cuz my teeth kept shifting after a gold bridge, too. The crown was $900. *S* > > > They REALLY think that with their drills they can rid a tooth of > > > > bacteria by ridding it of visible decay? Once they start > messing > > > with your teeth as a kid--braces, amalgams...they've ruined them. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hear ya Jill. Very true. Everything about dentistry is wrong, > > > except maybe pulling rotten teeth. But even that can be a > problem. > > > Eg. They say not pulling wisdom teeth is a bad thing, but pulling > > > them can be bad too if they leave pockets of infection behind. > > > > > > The OM had been long under way by the time they took the wisdom > > > teeth out. Remember, I had no noticeable problems with my teeth, > > but > > > when I was trying to find some source of infection in my body I > > went > > > to a few dentists/surgeons and the prognosis was that my wisdom > > > teeth were impacted and should probably come out. So I went to a > > > friend of the family who's a periodontist to get an opinion I > felt > > I > > > could trust, and as he was doing an inspection of each tooth, > down > > > below the gum line, making comments for his assistant to record, > he > > > came to the first wisdom tooth and yelled " pus " ! So my teeth were > > > already oozing pus below the gum line at that point, but nothing > > > visible during regular dentist visits. Certainly a condition > > > completely outside my own awareness. > > > > > > Actually, I think my problems started years ago, and involves > both > > > the jaw and the sinuses. They feed back and forth at this point, > > and > > > I can't say for sure which problem came first. But having > pneumonia > > > and bronchitis as a child, I'm strongly suspecting that > c.pneumonia > > > may have made me susceptible to other infections. I've had mild > > > symptoms of a chronic infection most of my life, but some bad > > dental > > > work probably pushed me over the edge into autoimmune land and > cfs. > > > > > > The place in my jaw where I had the worst osteonecrosis and most > > > dead bone removed, was the same place in my jaw where I had the > > most > > > novacaine injections. I got talked into putting crowns (that I > > > probably didn't need) on some childhood fillings (back then, I > > > completely trusted dentists). The first set of crowns caused me > > pain > > > all the time. The dentist eventually claimed that I was allergic > to > > > the adhesive and made an entire new set. It took over 2 years for > > > them to get 4 crowns in my mouth that were even passable, and my > > > bite, which wasn't great to begin with, was seriously screwed up. > > > But the worst part was the trauma to my jaw. Because of all the > > > injections and sessions with my mouth being pried open for hours, > > my > > > jaw was ultra sensitive for a good long time after that > experience, > > > and has never been quite the same since. I developed TMJ from > that > > > whole experience, although wasn't aware I had it for many years > to > > > come. > > > > > > Even if the dentistry didn't cause my illness, I'm quite > confident > > > that it made it much worse. It was after that 2 year period of > > > dental work gone wrong, that I then got a nasty sinus infection > > from > > > a YMCA pool. The doc couldn't get rid of it and he didn't want me > > to > > > do many abx so I toughed it out. That sinus infection came with > > > daily, excruciating sinus headaches, which eventually stopped and > > > the sinuses seemed to clear up on their own. But then, for the > > first > > > time in my life, I suddenly began having migraines. No one ever > > > looked at my sinuses, because I never had any typical sinus > > symptoms. > > > > > > Later on, during my OM investigations (after the removal of those > > > wisdom teeth and my health deterioating badly), an oral surgeon > > > looked at my ct scans and feaked because he said my sinuses were > > > seriously diseased and no way he would operate on my jaw, until > > they > > > were taken care of, because, he said, any extraction would break > > > through to the sinuses and I'd then have a serious problem on my > > > hands. He really had no idea how true that was. Or that I already > > > HAD a serious problem on my hands. > > > > > > Since then it's been a long and discouraging road discovering how > > > insidious, invisible and difficult this infection is. Also, how > > > common it really is. My doctor started talking to his patients > with > > > chronic illness and the numbers who've also had dental problems > is > > > staggering. And then, when you think about the people who are > > > oblivious to the rot in their heads (like I was) because they're > > > asymptomatic, it gets really scary. It's scary when infection > gets > > > to places that can't regenerate easily, like bone. But bacteria > > > loves bone, because it's so well hidden from the immune system > > > there. It also loves organs and deep tissue and has a field day > in > > > the sinuses. Bacteria are very good at finding the best hiding > > > places. > > > > > > Depressing thinking about it. But the good news is, I'm feeling > > > really great right now, so there's hope. Can't believe it. My > kids > > > are shocked. I'm doing stuff again. I was out shopping with them > > for > > > school clothes all day today, and acting totally hyper. At one > > point > > > they were laughing and telling me I've gone goofy. I said no, let > > me > > > introduce you to your mother! :-) > > > > > > penny > > > > > > > > > --- In infections , > Penny, how do > > > you thinkj your jaw OM/ON started...with wisdom tooth > > > > extractions that may not have been necessary? > > > > > > > > I'm being told I need a crown now. I may try to get them to do > a > > > > porcelain onlay instead....a quick google of crowns shows me > > > they're > > > > just one step on the way to root canal. > > > > > > > > I was thinking I would ozonate some water at home and when I am > > at > > > the > > > > dentists office and they pop off the temporary suddenly, oh my > > > god, > > > > I'm getting my period, I have to go the bathroom, sorry! And go > > in > > > > their bathroom and swish ozone water all over my mouth lol, and > > > then > > > > go back. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Yes- I should have added that if it's a molar - they don't use a porcelain overlay (just gold is what I'd opt for then). Barb > > > > They REALLY think that with their drills they can rid a tooth > of > > > > > bacteria by ridding it of visible decay? Once they start > > messing > > > > with your teeth as a kid--braces, amalgams...they've ruined > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hear ya Jill. Very true. Everything about dentistry is > wrong, > > > > except maybe pulling rotten teeth. But even that can be a > > problem. > > > > Eg. They say not pulling wisdom teeth is a bad thing, but > pulling > > > > them can be bad too if they leave pockets of infection behind. > > > > > > > > The OM had been long under way by the time they took the > wisdom > > > > teeth out. Remember, I had no noticeable problems with my > teeth, > > > but > > > > when I was trying to find some source of infection in my body > I > > > went > > > > to a few dentists/surgeons and the prognosis was that my > wisdom > > > > teeth were impacted and should probably come out. So I went to > a > > > > friend of the family who's a periodontist to get an opinion I > > felt > > > I > > > > could trust, and as he was doing an inspection of each tooth, > > down > > > > below the gum line, making comments for his assistant to > record, > > he > > > > came to the first wisdom tooth and yelled " pus " ! So my teeth > were > > > > already oozing pus below the gum line at that point, but > nothing > > > > visible during regular dentist visits. Certainly a condition > > > > completely outside my own awareness. > > > > > > > > Actually, I think my problems started years ago, and involves > > both > > > > the jaw and the sinuses. They feed back and forth at this > point, > > > and > > > > I can't say for sure which problem came first. But having > > pneumonia > > > > and bronchitis as a child, I'm strongly suspecting that > > c.pneumonia > > > > may have made me susceptible to other infections. I've had > mild > > > > symptoms of a chronic infection most of my life, but some bad > > > dental > > > > work probably pushed me over the edge into autoimmune land and > > cfs. > > > > > > > > The place in my jaw where I had the worst osteonecrosis and > most > > > > dead bone removed, was the same place in my jaw where I had > the > > > most > > > > novacaine injections. I got talked into putting crowns (that I > > > > probably didn't need) on some childhood fillings (back then, I > > > > completely trusted dentists). The first set of crowns caused > me > > > pain > > > > all the time. The dentist eventually claimed that I was > allergic > > to > > > > the adhesive and made an entire new set. It took over 2 years > for > > > > them to get 4 crowns in my mouth that were even passable, and > my > > > > bite, which wasn't great to begin with, was seriously screwed > up. > > > > But the worst part was the trauma to my jaw. Because of all > the > > > > injections and sessions with my mouth being pried open for > hours, > > > my > > > > jaw was ultra sensitive for a good long time after that > > experience, > > > > and has never been quite the same since. I developed TMJ from > > that > > > > whole experience, although wasn't aware I had it for many > years > > to > > > > come. > > > > > > > > Even if the dentistry didn't cause my illness, I'm quite > > confident > > > > that it made it much worse. It was after that 2 year period of > > > > dental work gone wrong, that I then got a nasty sinus > infection > > > from > > > > a YMCA pool. The doc couldn't get rid of it and he didn't want > me > > > to > > > > do many abx so I toughed it out. That sinus infection came > with > > > > daily, excruciating sinus headaches, which eventually stopped > and > > > > the sinuses seemed to clear up on their own. But then, for the > > > first > > > > time in my life, I suddenly began having migraines. No one > ever > > > > looked at my sinuses, because I never had any typical sinus > > > symptoms. > > > > > > > > Later on, during my OM investigations (after the removal of > those > > > > wisdom teeth and my health deterioating badly), an oral > surgeon > > > > looked at my ct scans and feaked because he said my sinuses > were > > > > seriously diseased and no way he would operate on my jaw, > until > > > they > > > > were taken care of, because, he said, any extraction would > break > > > > through to the sinuses and I'd then have a serious problem on > my > > > > hands. He really had no idea how true that was. Or that I > already > > > > HAD a serious problem on my hands. > > > > > > > > Since then it's been a long and discouraging road discovering > how > > > > insidious, invisible and difficult this infection is. Also, > how > > > > common it really is. My doctor started talking to his patients > > with > > > > chronic illness and the numbers who've also had dental > problems > > is > > > > staggering. And then, when you think about the people who are > > > > oblivious to the rot in their heads (like I was) because > they're > > > > asymptomatic, it gets really scary. It's scary when infection > > gets > > > > to places that can't regenerate easily, like bone. But > bacteria > > > > loves bone, because it's so well hidden from the immune system > > > > there. It also loves organs and deep tissue and has a field > day > > in > > > > the sinuses. Bacteria are very good at finding the best hiding > > > > places. > > > > > > > > Depressing thinking about it. But the good news is, I'm > feeling > > > > really great right now, so there's hope. Can't believe it. My > > kids > > > > are shocked. I'm doing stuff again. I was out shopping with > them > > > for > > > > school clothes all day today, and acting totally hyper. At one > > > point > > > > they were laughing and telling me I've gone goofy. I said no, > let > > > me > > > > introduce you to your mother! :-) > > > > > > > > penny > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In infections , > Penny, how > do > > > > you thinkj your jaw OM/ON started...with wisdom tooth > > > > > extractions that may not have been necessary? > > > > > > > > > > I'm being told I need a crown now. I may try to get them to > do > > a > > > > > porcelain onlay instead....a quick google of crowns shows me > > > > they're > > > > > just one step on the way to root canal. > > > > > > > > > > I was thinking I would ozonate some water at home and when I > am > > > at > > > > the > > > > > dentists office and they pop off the temporary suddenly, oh > my > > > > god, > > > > > I'm getting my period, I have to go the bathroom, sorry! And > go > > > in > > > > > their bathroom and swish ozone water all over my mouth lol, > and > > > > then > > > > > go back. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Sue My DDS is now lyme-literate because he spent two years with me having weekly visits cuz my teeth kept shifting after a gold bridge, too. This is real dental problems with real health outcomes IMO.Remeber we have friends that got sick after taking out there amalgams.I believe not respecting the oral bacteria causing decay is the more dangerous of the 2. tony > > > > They REALLY think that with their drills they can rid a tooth > of > > > > > bacteria by ridding it of visible decay? Once they start > > messing > > > > with your teeth as a kid--braces, amalgams...they've ruined > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hear ya Jill. Very true. Everything about dentistry is > wrong, > > > > except maybe pulling rotten teeth. But even that can be a > > problem. > > > > Eg. They say not pulling wisdom teeth is a bad thing, but > pulling > > > > them can be bad too if they leave pockets of infection behind. > > > > > > > > The OM had been long under way by the time they took the > wisdom > > > > teeth out. Remember, I had no noticeable problems with my > teeth, > > > but > > > > when I was trying to find some source of infection in my body > I > > > went > > > > to a few dentists/surgeons and the prognosis was that my > wisdom > > > > teeth were impacted and should probably come out. So I went to > a > > > > friend of the family who's a periodontist to get an opinion I > > felt > > > I > > > > could trust, and as he was doing an inspection of each tooth, > > down > > > > below the gum line, making comments for his assistant to > record, > > he > > > > came to the first wisdom tooth and yelled " pus " ! So my teeth > were > > > > already oozing pus below the gum line at that point, but > nothing > > > > visible during regular dentist visits. Certainly a condition > > > > completely outside my own awareness. > > > > > > > > Actually, I think my problems started years ago, and involves > > both > > > > the jaw and the sinuses. They feed back and forth at this > point, > > > and > > > > I can't say for sure which problem came first. But having > > pneumonia > > > > and bronchitis as a child, I'm strongly suspecting that > > c.pneumonia > > > > may have made me susceptible to other infections. I've had > mild > > > > symptoms of a chronic infection most of my life, but some bad > > > dental > > > > work probably pushed me over the edge into autoimmune land and > > cfs. > > > > > > > > The place in my jaw where I had the worst osteonecrosis and > most > > > > dead bone removed, was the same place in my jaw where I had > the > > > most > > > > novacaine injections. I got talked into putting crowns (that I > > > > probably didn't need) on some childhood fillings (back then, I > > > > completely trusted dentists). The first set of crowns caused > me > > > pain > > > > all the time. The dentist eventually claimed that I was > allergic > > to > > > > the adhesive and made an entire new set. It took over 2 years > for > > > > them to get 4 crowns in my mouth that were even passable, and > my > > > > bite, which wasn't great to begin with, was seriously screwed > up. > > > > But the worst part was the trauma to my jaw. Because of all > the > > > > injections and sessions with my mouth being pried open for > hours, > > > my > > > > jaw was ultra sensitive for a good long time after that > > experience, > > > > and has never been quite the same since. I developed TMJ from > > that > > > > whole experience, although wasn't aware I had it for many > years > > to > > > > come. > > > > > > > > Even if the dentistry didn't cause my illness, I'm quite > > confident > > > > that it made it much worse. It was after that 2 year period of > > > > dental work gone wrong, that I then got a nasty sinus > infection > > > from > > > > a YMCA pool. The doc couldn't get rid of it and he didn't want > me > > > to > > > > do many abx so I toughed it out. That sinus infection came > with > > > > daily, excruciating sinus headaches, which eventually stopped > and > > > > the sinuses seemed to clear up on their own. But then, for the > > > first > > > > time in my life, I suddenly began having migraines. No one > ever > > > > looked at my sinuses, because I never had any typical sinus > > > symptoms. > > > > > > > > Later on, during my OM investigations (after the removal of > those > > > > wisdom teeth and my health deterioating badly), an oral > surgeon > > > > looked at my ct scans and feaked because he said my sinuses > were > > > > seriously diseased and no way he would operate on my jaw, > until > > > they > > > > were taken care of, because, he said, any extraction would > break > > > > through to the sinuses and I'd then have a serious problem on > my > > > > hands. He really had no idea how true that was. Or that I > already > > > > HAD a serious problem on my hands. > > > > > > > > Since then it's been a long and discouraging road discovering > how > > > > insidious, invisible and difficult this infection is. Also, > how > > > > common it really is. My doctor started talking to his patients > > with > > > > chronic illness and the numbers who've also had dental > problems > > is > > > > staggering. And then, when you think about the people who are > > > > oblivious to the rot in their heads (like I was) because > they're > > > > asymptomatic, it gets really scary. It's scary when infection > > gets > > > > to places that can't regenerate easily, like bone. But > bacteria > > > > loves bone, because it's so well hidden from the immune system > > > > there. It also loves organs and deep tissue and has a field > day > > in > > > > the sinuses. Bacteria are very good at finding the best hiding > > > > places. > > > > > > > > Depressing thinking about it. But the good news is, I'm > feeling > > > > really great right now, so there's hope. Can't believe it. My > > kids > > > > are shocked. I'm doing stuff again. I was out shopping with > them > > > for > > > > school clothes all day today, and acting totally hyper. At one > > > point > > > > they were laughing and telling me I've gone goofy. I said no, > let > > > me > > > > introduce you to your mother! :-) > > > > > > > > penny > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In infections , > Penny, how > do > > > > you thinkj your jaw OM/ON started...with wisdom tooth > > > > > extractions that may not have been necessary? > > > > > > > > > > I'm being told I need a crown now. I may try to get them to > do > > a > > > > > porcelain onlay instead....a quick google of crowns shows me > > > > they're > > > > > just one step on the way to root canal. > > > > > > > > > > I was thinking I would ozonate some water at home and when I > am > > > at > > > > the > > > > > dentists office and they pop off the temporary suddenly, oh > my > > > > god, > > > > > I'm getting my period, I have to go the bathroom, sorry! And > go > > > in > > > > > their bathroom and swish ozone water all over my mouth lol, > and > > > > then > > > > > go back. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Hmmm. Then are they lying to me? They indicated I could get an all porcelain crown. Maybe there are new materials now adn they use the word porcelain but its something else that gets cured and is hard. From what I read this is possible. It *is* a molar. I'm going for a second opinion on Sept 29. > > > > > They REALLY think that with their drills they can rid a tooth > > of > > > > > > bacteria by ridding it of visible decay? Once they start > > > messing > > > > > with your teeth as a kid--braces, amalgams...they've ruined > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hear ya Jill. Very true. Everything about dentistry is > > wrong, > > > > > except maybe pulling rotten teeth. But even that can be a > > > problem. > > > > > Eg. They say not pulling wisdom teeth is a bad thing, but > > pulling > > > > > them can be bad too if they leave pockets of infection behind. > > > > > > > > > > The OM had been long under way by the time they took the > > wisdom > > > > > teeth out. Remember, I had no noticeable problems with my > > teeth, > > > > but > > > > > when I was trying to find some source of infection in my body > > I > > > > went > > > > > to a few dentists/surgeons and the prognosis was that my > > wisdom > > > > > teeth were impacted and should probably come out. So I went > to > > a > > > > > friend of the family who's a periodontist to get an opinion I > > > felt > > > > I > > > > > could trust, and as he was doing an inspection of each tooth, > > > down > > > > > below the gum line, making comments for his assistant to > > record, > > > he > > > > > came to the first wisdom tooth and yelled " pus " ! So my teeth > > were > > > > > already oozing pus below the gum line at that point, but > > nothing > > > > > visible during regular dentist visits. Certainly a condition > > > > > completely outside my own awareness. > > > > > > > > > > Actually, I think my problems started years ago, and involves > > > both > > > > > the jaw and the sinuses. They feed back and forth at this > > point, > > > > and > > > > > I can't say for sure which problem came first. But having > > > pneumonia > > > > > and bronchitis as a child, I'm strongly suspecting that > > > c.pneumonia > > > > > may have made me susceptible to other infections. I've had > > mild > > > > > symptoms of a chronic infection most of my life, but some bad > > > > dental > > > > > work probably pushed me over the edge into autoimmune land > and > > > cfs. > > > > > > > > > > The place in my jaw where I had the worst osteonecrosis and > > most > > > > > dead bone removed, was the same place in my jaw where I had > > the > > > > most > > > > > novacaine injections. I got talked into putting crowns (that > I > > > > > probably didn't need) on some childhood fillings (back then, > I > > > > > completely trusted dentists). The first set of crowns caused > > me > > > > pain > > > > > all the time. The dentist eventually claimed that I was > > allergic > > > to > > > > > the adhesive and made an entire new set. It took over 2 years > > for > > > > > them to get 4 crowns in my mouth that were even passable, and > > my > > > > > bite, which wasn't great to begin with, was seriously screwed > > up. > > > > > But the worst part was the trauma to my jaw. Because of all > > the > > > > > injections and sessions with my mouth being pried open for > > hours, > > > > my > > > > > jaw was ultra sensitive for a good long time after that > > > experience, > > > > > and has never been quite the same since. I developed TMJ from > > > that > > > > > whole experience, although wasn't aware I had it for many > > years > > > to > > > > > come. > > > > > > > > > > Even if the dentistry didn't cause my illness, I'm quite > > > confident > > > > > that it made it much worse. It was after that 2 year period > of > > > > > dental work gone wrong, that I then got a nasty sinus > > infection > > > > from > > > > > a YMCA pool. The doc couldn't get rid of it and he didn't > want > > me > > > > to > > > > > do many abx so I toughed it out. That sinus infection came > > with > > > > > daily, excruciating sinus headaches, which eventually stopped > > and > > > > > the sinuses seemed to clear up on their own. But then, for > the > > > > first > > > > > time in my life, I suddenly began having migraines. No one > > ever > > > > > looked at my sinuses, because I never had any typical sinus > > > > symptoms. > > > > > > > > > > Later on, during my OM investigations (after the removal of > > those > > > > > wisdom teeth and my health deterioating badly), an oral > > surgeon > > > > > looked at my ct scans and feaked because he said my sinuses > > were > > > > > seriously diseased and no way he would operate on my jaw, > > until > > > > they > > > > > were taken care of, because, he said, any extraction would > > break > > > > > through to the sinuses and I'd then have a serious problem on > > my > > > > > hands. He really had no idea how true that was. Or that I > > already > > > > > HAD a serious problem on my hands. > > > > > > > > > > Since then it's been a long and discouraging road discovering > > how > > > > > insidious, invisible and difficult this infection is. Also, > > how > > > > > common it really is. My doctor started talking to his > patients > > > with > > > > > chronic illness and the numbers who've also had dental > > problems > > > is > > > > > staggering. And then, when you think about the people who are > > > > > oblivious to the rot in their heads (like I was) because > > they're > > > > > asymptomatic, it gets really scary. It's scary when infection > > > gets > > > > > to places that can't regenerate easily, like bone. But > > bacteria > > > > > loves bone, because it's so well hidden from the immune > system > > > > > there. It also loves organs and deep tissue and has a field > > day > > > in > > > > > the sinuses. Bacteria are very good at finding the best > hiding > > > > > places. > > > > > > > > > > Depressing thinking about it. But the good news is, I'm > > feeling > > > > > really great right now, so there's hope. Can't believe it. My > > > kids > > > > > are shocked. I'm doing stuff again. I was out shopping with > > them > > > > for > > > > > school clothes all day today, and acting totally hyper. At > one > > > > point > > > > > they were laughing and telling me I've gone goofy. I said no, > > let > > > > me > > > > > introduce you to your mother! :-) > > > > > > > > > > penny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In infections , > Penny, > how > > do > > > > > you thinkj your jaw OM/ON started...with wisdom tooth > > > > > > extractions that may not have been necessary? > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm being told I need a crown now. I may try to get them to > > do > > > a > > > > > > porcelain onlay instead....a quick google of crowns shows > me > > > > > they're > > > > > > just one step on the way to root canal. > > > > > > > > > > > > I was thinking I would ozonate some water at home and when > I > > am > > > > at > > > > > the > > > > > > dentists office and they pop off the temporary suddenly, oh > > my > > > > > god, > > > > > > I'm getting my period, I have to go the bathroom, sorry! > And > > go > > > > in > > > > > > their bathroom and swish ozone water all over my mouth lol, > > and > > > > > then > > > > > > go back. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 My molar crowns are supposedly porcelain (but you can see metal peeking through on some of them. 3 of the 4 were done by the guy who hoodwinked me to begin with, so I may have nickel under there). Fortunatley, my metal testing looks okay (except aluminum). Ironically, the tooth that seems to be where the biggest problem is now, is the crown I had REDONE by a guy who was appalled at the previous work (they all say that about each other). I had the same problem with pain after getting the new crown. He said it was probably infected (not adhesives), and all he could do was a root canal. I said no thanks. All this malpractice and me just completely oblivious. The other slightly bothersome tooth for me now is next to one of the removed wisdom teeth sites. The infection definitely spread to the next tooth. I'd probably switch to Gold now, if I had a choice, but at this point, having the tooth pulled would be a strong contender. I'd have to weigh the risk. Whichever method minimizes the spread of infection would be the winner. Would need to analyze those scans to see how bad it looks. penny > > > > > > They REALLY think that with their drills they can rid a > tooth > > > of > > > > > > > bacteria by ridding it of visible decay? Once they start > > > > messing > > > > > > with your teeth as a kid--braces, amalgams...they've ruined > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hear ya Jill. Very true. Everything about dentistry is > > > wrong, > > > > > > except maybe pulling rotten teeth. But even that can be a > > > > problem. > > > > > > Eg. They say not pulling wisdom teeth is a bad thing, but > > > pulling > > > > > > them can be bad too if they leave pockets of infection > behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > The OM had been long under way by the time they took the > > > wisdom > > > > > > teeth out. Remember, I had no noticeable problems with my > > > teeth, > > > > > but > > > > > > when I was trying to find some source of infection in my > body > > > I > > > > > went > > > > > > to a few dentists/surgeons and the prognosis was that my > > > wisdom > > > > > > teeth were impacted and should probably come out. So I went > > to > > > a > > > > > > friend of the family who's a periodontist to get an opinion > I > > > > felt > > > > > I > > > > > > could trust, and as he was doing an inspection of each > tooth, > > > > down > > > > > > below the gum line, making comments for his assistant to > > > record, > > > > he > > > > > > came to the first wisdom tooth and yelled " pus " ! So my > teeth > > > were > > > > > > already oozing pus below the gum line at that point, but > > > nothing > > > > > > visible during regular dentist visits. Certainly a > condition > > > > > > completely outside my own awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, I think my problems started years ago, and > involves > > > > both > > > > > > the jaw and the sinuses. They feed back and forth at this > > > point, > > > > > and > > > > > > I can't say for sure which problem came first. But having > > > > pneumonia > > > > > > and bronchitis as a child, I'm strongly suspecting that > > > > c.pneumonia > > > > > > may have made me susceptible to other infections. I've had > > > mild > > > > > > symptoms of a chronic infection most of my life, but some > bad > > > > > dental > > > > > > work probably pushed me over the edge into autoimmune land > > and > > > > cfs. > > > > > > > > > > > > The place in my jaw where I had the worst osteonecrosis and > > > most > > > > > > dead bone removed, was the same place in my jaw where I had > > > the > > > > > most > > > > > > novacaine injections. I got talked into putting crowns > (that > > I > > > > > > probably didn't need) on some childhood fillings (back > then, > > I > > > > > > completely trusted dentists). The first set of crowns > caused > > > me > > > > > pain > > > > > > all the time. The dentist eventually claimed that I was > > > allergic > > > > to > > > > > > the adhesive and made an entire new set. It took over 2 > years > > > for > > > > > > them to get 4 crowns in my mouth that were even passable, > and > > > my > > > > > > bite, which wasn't great to begin with, was seriously > screwed > > > up. > > > > > > But the worst part was the trauma to my jaw. Because of all > > > the > > > > > > injections and sessions with my mouth being pried open for > > > hours, > > > > > my > > > > > > jaw was ultra sensitive for a good long time after that > > > > experience, > > > > > > and has never been quite the same since. I developed TMJ > from > > > > that > > > > > > whole experience, although wasn't aware I had it for many > > > years > > > > to > > > > > > come. > > > > > > > > > > > > Even if the dentistry didn't cause my illness, I'm quite > > > > confident > > > > > > that it made it much worse. It was after that 2 year period > > of > > > > > > dental work gone wrong, that I then got a nasty sinus > > > infection > > > > > from > > > > > > a YMCA pool. The doc couldn't get rid of it and he didn't > > want > > > me > > > > > to > > > > > > do many abx so I toughed it out. That sinus infection came > > > with > > > > > > daily, excruciating sinus headaches, which eventually > stopped > > > and > > > > > > the sinuses seemed to clear up on their own. But then, for > > the > > > > > first > > > > > > time in my life, I suddenly began having migraines. No one > > > ever > > > > > > looked at my sinuses, because I never had any typical sinus > > > > > symptoms. > > > > > > > > > > > > Later on, during my OM investigations (after the removal of > > > those > > > > > > wisdom teeth and my health deterioating badly), an oral > > > surgeon > > > > > > looked at my ct scans and feaked because he said my sinuses > > > were > > > > > > seriously diseased and no way he would operate on my jaw, > > > until > > > > > they > > > > > > were taken care of, because, he said, any extraction would > > > break > > > > > > through to the sinuses and I'd then have a serious problem > on > > > my > > > > > > hands. He really had no idea how true that was. Or that I > > > already > > > > > > HAD a serious problem on my hands. > > > > > > > > > > > > Since then it's been a long and discouraging road > discovering > > > how > > > > > > insidious, invisible and difficult this infection is. Also, > > > how > > > > > > common it really is. My doctor started talking to his > > patients > > > > with > > > > > > chronic illness and the numbers who've also had dental > > > problems > > > > is > > > > > > staggering. And then, when you think about the people who > are > > > > > > oblivious to the rot in their heads (like I was) because > > > they're > > > > > > asymptomatic, it gets really scary. It's scary when > infection > > > > gets > > > > > > to places that can't regenerate easily, like bone. But > > > bacteria > > > > > > loves bone, because it's so well hidden from the immune > > system > > > > > > there. It also loves organs and deep tissue and has a field > > > day > > > > in > > > > > > the sinuses. Bacteria are very good at finding the best > > hiding > > > > > > places. > > > > > > > > > > > > Depressing thinking about it. But the good news is, I'm > > > feeling > > > > > > really great right now, so there's hope. Can't believe it. > My > > > > kids > > > > > > are shocked. I'm doing stuff again. I was out shopping with > > > them > > > > > for > > > > > > school clothes all day today, and acting totally hyper. At > > one > > > > > point > > > > > > they were laughing and telling me I've gone goofy. I said > no, > > > let > > > > > me > > > > > > introduce you to your mother! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > penny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In infections , > Penny, > > how > > > do > > > > > > you thinkj your jaw OM/ON started...with wisdom tooth > > > > > > > extractions that may not have been necessary? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm being told I need a crown now. I may try to get them > to > > > do > > > > a > > > > > > > porcelain onlay instead....a quick google of crowns shows > > me > > > > > > they're > > > > > > > just one step on the way to root canal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was thinking I would ozonate some water at home and > when > > I > > > am > > > > > at > > > > > > the > > > > > > > dentists office and they pop off the temporary suddenly, > oh > > > my > > > > > > god, > > > > > > > I'm getting my period, I have to go the bathroom, sorry! > > And > > > go > > > > > in > > > > > > > their bathroom and swish ozone water all over my mouth > lol, > > > and > > > > > > then > > > > > > > go back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Jill A few months a ago I went into the country for a drive to pick up a massage chair(second hand). Anyways They were apparently selling the chair because the daughter in law they bought it for found it hard to get in and out of.The moral to the story is what happened to the daughter in law.Apparently she had had a stroke at age 27- immediately I had to ask, " what did she do in her mouth " oh she just had some teeth capped, was the reply.You gotta understand we have coagulation problems, this is a person who at age 27 took it a step further than simple coagulation...I shudder at the thought of doing things like what you girls are describing and not understanding the unacceptable risk to health these things can cause. Another beauty was a young girl in san franscisco a friend told us about, the girl was having her teeth manipulated and anyway's she had swelling in the brain, the doctors were ready to go in and open the skull- but some deep thinking by the mother saved the day, the girl had a wedge of some sort stuck between her teeth which was fitted at the last dental visit and once removed the brain swelling subsided. > > > > > > They REALLY think that with their drills they can rid a > tooth > > > of > > > > > > > bacteria by ridding it of visible decay? Once they start > > > > messing > > > > > > with your teeth as a kid--braces, amalgams...they've ruined > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hear ya Jill. Very true. Everything about dentistry is > > > wrong, > > > > > > except maybe pulling rotten teeth. But even that can be a > > > > problem. > > > > > > Eg. They say not pulling wisdom teeth is a bad thing, but > > > pulling > > > > > > them can be bad too if they leave pockets of infection > behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > The OM had been long under way by the time they took the > > > wisdom > > > > > > teeth out. Remember, I had no noticeable problems with my > > > teeth, > > > > > but > > > > > > when I was trying to find some source of infection in my > body > > > I > > > > > went > > > > > > to a few dentists/surgeons and the prognosis was that my > > > wisdom > > > > > > teeth were impacted and should probably come out. So I went > > to > > > a > > > > > > friend of the family who's a periodontist to get an opinion > I > > > > felt > > > > > I > > > > > > could trust, and as he was doing an inspection of each > tooth, > > > > down > > > > > > below the gum line, making comments for his assistant to > > > record, > > > > he > > > > > > came to the first wisdom tooth and yelled " pus " ! So my > teeth > > > were > > > > > > already oozing pus below the gum line at that point, but > > > nothing > > > > > > visible during regular dentist visits. Certainly a > condition > > > > > > completely outside my own awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, I think my problems started years ago, and > involves > > > > both > > > > > > the jaw and the sinuses. They feed back and forth at this > > > point, > > > > > and > > > > > > I can't say for sure which problem came first. But having > > > > pneumonia > > > > > > and bronchitis as a child, I'm strongly suspecting that > > > > c.pneumonia > > > > > > may have made me susceptible to other infections. I've had > > > mild > > > > > > symptoms of a chronic infection most of my life, but some > bad > > > > > dental > > > > > > work probably pushed me over the edge into autoimmune land > > and > > > > cfs. > > > > > > > > > > > > The place in my jaw where I had the worst osteonecrosis and > > > most > > > > > > dead bone removed, was the same place in my jaw where I had > > > the > > > > > most > > > > > > novacaine injections. I got talked into putting crowns > (that > > I > > > > > > probably didn't need) on some childhood fillings (back > then, > > I > > > > > > completely trusted dentists). The first set of crowns > caused > > > me > > > > > pain > > > > > > all the time. The dentist eventually claimed that I was > > > allergic > > > > to > > > > > > the adhesive and made an entire new set. It took over 2 > years > > > for > > > > > > them to get 4 crowns in my mouth that were even passable, > and > > > my > > > > > > bite, which wasn't great to begin with, was seriously > screwed > > > up. > > > > > > But the worst part was the trauma to my jaw. Because of all > > > the > > > > > > injections and sessions with my mouth being pried open for > > > hours, > > > > > my > > > > > > jaw was ultra sensitive for a good long time after that > > > > experience, > > > > > > and has never been quite the same since. I developed TMJ > from > > > > that > > > > > > whole experience, although wasn't aware I had it for many > > > years > > > > to > > > > > > come. > > > > > > > > > > > > Even if the dentistry didn't cause my illness, I'm quite > > > > confident > > > > > > that it made it much worse. It was after that 2 year period > > of > > > > > > dental work gone wrong, that I then got a nasty sinus > > > infection > > > > > from > > > > > > a YMCA pool. The doc couldn't get rid of it and he didn't > > want > > > me > > > > > to > > > > > > do many abx so I toughed it out. That sinus infection came > > > with > > > > > > daily, excruciating sinus headaches, which eventually > stopped > > > and > > > > > > the sinuses seemed to clear up on their own. But then, for > > the > > > > > first > > > > > > time in my life, I suddenly began having migraines. No one > > > ever > > > > > > looked at my sinuses, because I never had any typical sinus > > > > > symptoms. > > > > > > > > > > > > Later on, during my OM investigations (after the removal of > > > those > > > > > > wisdom teeth and my health deterioating badly), an oral > > > surgeon > > > > > > looked at my ct scans and feaked because he said my sinuses > > > were > > > > > > seriously diseased and no way he would operate on my jaw, > > > until > > > > > they > > > > > > were taken care of, because, he said, any extraction would > > > break > > > > > > through to the sinuses and I'd then have a serious problem > on > > > my > > > > > > hands. He really had no idea how true that was. Or that I > > > already > > > > > > HAD a serious problem on my hands. > > > > > > > > > > > > Since then it's been a long and discouraging road > discovering > > > how > > > > > > insidious, invisible and difficult this infection is. Also, > > > how > > > > > > common it really is. My doctor started talking to his > > patients > > > > with > > > > > > chronic illness and the numbers who've also had dental > > > problems > > > > is > > > > > > staggering. And then, when you think about the people who > are > > > > > > oblivious to the rot in their heads (like I was) because > > > they're > > > > > > asymptomatic, it gets really scary. It's scary when > infection > > > > gets > > > > > > to places that can't regenerate easily, like bone. But > > > bacteria > > > > > > loves bone, because it's so well hidden from the immune > > system > > > > > > there. It also loves organs and deep tissue and has a field > > > day > > > > in > > > > > > the sinuses. Bacteria are very good at finding the best > > hiding > > > > > > places. > > > > > > > > > > > > Depressing thinking about it. But the good news is, I'm > > > feeling > > > > > > really great right now, so there's hope. Can't believe it. > My > > > > kids > > > > > > are shocked. I'm doing stuff again. I was out shopping with > > > them > > > > > for > > > > > > school clothes all day today, and acting totally hyper. At > > one > > > > > point > > > > > > they were laughing and telling me I've gone goofy. I said > no, > > > let > > > > > me > > > > > > introduce you to your mother! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > penny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In infections , > Penny, > > how > > > do > > > > > > you thinkj your jaw OM/ON started...with wisdom tooth > > > > > > > extractions that may not have been necessary? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm being told I need a crown now. I may try to get them > to > > > do > > > > a > > > > > > > porcelain onlay instead....a quick google of crowns shows > > me > > > > > > they're > > > > > > > just one step on the way to root canal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was thinking I would ozonate some water at home and > when > > I > > > am > > > > > at > > > > > > the > > > > > > > dentists office and they pop off the temporary suddenly, > oh > > > my > > > > > > god, > > > > > > > I'm getting my period, I have to go the bathroom, sorry! > > And > > > go > > > > > in > > > > > > > their bathroom and swish ozone water all over my mouth > lol, > > > and > > > > > > then > > > > > > > go back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Tony--I am getting a second opinion Sep 29. If she can do a porcelain onlay I will pay out of pocket. Essentially that is a 3-sided filling but stronger because it is made and cured in a lab on its own. If she says a crown I will truly hesitate. Gudrun, on lymenet, has explained all about the teeth. I'm just not sure what I will do then. I might try ozone injections for instance. I hate dentists. Tell me this problem that is supposedly SO bad its near to needing a root canal was NOT THERE at all a year ago? They are totally inconsistent. Anyway I just did not trust this guy. I went there because they have a profi-jet and it makes your teeth look really white, its nice, and I drink a lot of very strong green tea so it can stain my teeth. But I just had an uneasy feeling he's in it for the $, trying to build the practice with the most expensive stuff possible. We'll see what my second opinion says--she's someone I trust and probably should've stuck with in spite of her not becing covered by my insurance. > > > > > > > They REALLY think that with their drills they can rid a > > tooth > > > > of > > > > > > > > bacteria by ridding it of visible decay? Once they > start > > > > > messing > > > > > > > with your teeth as a kid--braces, amalgams...they've > ruined > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hear ya Jill. Very true. Everything about dentistry is > > > > wrong, > > > > > > > except maybe pulling rotten teeth. But even that can be > a > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > Eg. They say not pulling wisdom teeth is a bad thing, > but > > > > pulling > > > > > > > them can be bad too if they leave pockets of infection > > behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The OM had been long under way by the time they took the > > > > wisdom > > > > > > > teeth out. Remember, I had no noticeable problems with > my > > > > teeth, > > > > > > but > > > > > > > when I was trying to find some source of infection in my > > body > > > > I > > > > > > went > > > > > > > to a few dentists/surgeons and the prognosis was that my > > > > wisdom > > > > > > > teeth were impacted and should probably come out. So I > went > > > to > > > > a > > > > > > > friend of the family who's a periodontist to get an > opinion > > I > > > > > felt > > > > > > I > > > > > > > could trust, and as he was doing an inspection of each > > tooth, > > > > > down > > > > > > > below the gum line, making comments for his assistant to > > > > record, > > > > > he > > > > > > > came to the first wisdom tooth and yelled " pus " ! So my > > teeth > > > > were > > > > > > > already oozing pus below the gum line at that point, but > > > > nothing > > > > > > > visible during regular dentist visits. Certainly a > > condition > > > > > > > completely outside my own awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, I think my problems started years ago, and > > involves > > > > > both > > > > > > > the jaw and the sinuses. They feed back and forth at > this > > > > point, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > I can't say for sure which problem came first. But > having > > > > > pneumonia > > > > > > > and bronchitis as a child, I'm strongly suspecting that > > > > > c.pneumonia > > > > > > > may have made me susceptible to other infections. I've > had > > > > mild > > > > > > > symptoms of a chronic infection most of my life, but > some > > bad > > > > > > dental > > > > > > > work probably pushed me over the edge into autoimmune > land > > > and > > > > > cfs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The place in my jaw where I had the worst osteonecrosis > and > > > > most > > > > > > > dead bone removed, was the same place in my jaw where I > had > > > > the > > > > > > most > > > > > > > novacaine injections. I got talked into putting crowns > > (that > > > I > > > > > > > probably didn't need) on some childhood fillings (back > > then, > > > I > > > > > > > completely trusted dentists). The first set of crowns > > caused > > > > me > > > > > > pain > > > > > > > all the time. The dentist eventually claimed that I was > > > > allergic > > > > > to > > > > > > > the adhesive and made an entire new set. It took over 2 > > years > > > > for > > > > > > > them to get 4 crowns in my mouth that were even > passable, > > and > > > > my > > > > > > > bite, which wasn't great to begin with, was seriously > > screwed > > > > up. > > > > > > > But the worst part was the trauma to my jaw. Because of > all > > > > the > > > > > > > injections and sessions with my mouth being pried open > for > > > > hours, > > > > > > my > > > > > > > jaw was ultra sensitive for a good long time after that > > > > > experience, > > > > > > > and has never been quite the same since. I developed TMJ > > from > > > > > that > > > > > > > whole experience, although wasn't aware I had it for > many > > > > years > > > > > to > > > > > > > come. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even if the dentistry didn't cause my illness, I'm quite > > > > > confident > > > > > > > that it made it much worse. It was after that 2 year > period > > > of > > > > > > > dental work gone wrong, that I then got a nasty sinus > > > > infection > > > > > > from > > > > > > > a YMCA pool. The doc couldn't get rid of it and he > didn't > > > want > > > > me > > > > > > to > > > > > > > do many abx so I toughed it out. That sinus infection > came > > > > with > > > > > > > daily, excruciating sinus headaches, which eventually > > stopped > > > > and > > > > > > > the sinuses seemed to clear up on their own. But then, > for > > > the > > > > > > first > > > > > > > time in my life, I suddenly began having migraines. No > one > > > > ever > > > > > > > looked at my sinuses, because I never had any typical > sinus > > > > > > symptoms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Later on, during my OM investigations (after the removal > of > > > > those > > > > > > > wisdom teeth and my health deterioating badly), an oral > > > > surgeon > > > > > > > looked at my ct scans and feaked because he said my > sinuses > > > > were > > > > > > > seriously diseased and no way he would operate on my > jaw, > > > > until > > > > > > they > > > > > > > were taken care of, because, he said, any extraction > would > > > > break > > > > > > > through to the sinuses and I'd then have a serious > problem > > on > > > > my > > > > > > > hands. He really had no idea how true that was. Or that > I > > > > already > > > > > > > HAD a serious problem on my hands. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since then it's been a long and discouraging road > > discovering > > > > how > > > > > > > insidious, invisible and difficult this infection is. > Also, > > > > how > > > > > > > common it really is. My doctor started talking to his > > > patients > > > > > with > > > > > > > chronic illness and the numbers who've also had dental > > > > problems > > > > > is > > > > > > > staggering. And then, when you think about the people > who > > are > > > > > > > oblivious to the rot in their heads (like I was) because > > > > they're > > > > > > > asymptomatic, it gets really scary. It's scary when > > infection > > > > > gets > > > > > > > to places that can't regenerate easily, like bone. But > > > > bacteria > > > > > > > loves bone, because it's so well hidden from the immune > > > system > > > > > > > there. It also loves organs and deep tissue and has a > field > > > > day > > > > > in > > > > > > > the sinuses. Bacteria are very good at finding the best > > > hiding > > > > > > > places. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Depressing thinking about it. But the good news is, I'm > > > > feeling > > > > > > > really great right now, so there's hope. Can't believe > it. > > My > > > > > kids > > > > > > > are shocked. I'm doing stuff again. I was out shopping > with > > > > them > > > > > > for > > > > > > > school clothes all day today, and acting totally hyper. > At > > > one > > > > > > point > > > > > > > they were laughing and telling me I've gone goofy. I > said > > no, > > > > let > > > > > > me > > > > > > > introduce you to your mother! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > penny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In infections , > > Penny, > > > how > > > > do > > > > > > > you thinkj your jaw OM/ON started...with wisdom tooth > > > > > > > > extractions that may not have been necessary? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm being told I need a crown now. I may try to get > them > > to > > > > do > > > > > a > > > > > > > > porcelain onlay instead....a quick google of crowns > shows > > > me > > > > > > > they're > > > > > > > > just one step on the way to root canal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was thinking I would ozonate some water at home and > > when > > > I > > > > am > > > > > > at > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > dentists office and they pop off the temporary > suddenly, > > oh > > > > my > > > > > > > god, > > > > > > > > I'm getting my period, I have to go the bathroom, > sorry! > > > And > > > > go > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > their bathroom and swish ozone water all over my mouth > > lol, > > > > and > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > go back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Jill There's no second opinions or any manipulations of any sort that I feel comfortable about.There manipulations are often an express ride to the bloodstream for any organisms IMO.The body will make your teeth black and green when somethings not right and you don't have an ounce of fatigue. They intervene and don't guarantee the work is best infectious practise, and your chasing your tail for life.I could never believe the stamina that people with shocking teeth and never visiting dentists displayed, as opposed to the spastic entrepreneur(myself) with the bucks to afford the best dentistry, had no get up and go regardless of the better physical conditioningand diet.The problem for me is the injections- wherever they are placed they create rotting below the surface and a constant disaster for the bloodstream. The amalgam fillings are myth busted in all the forums I visited. cracked teeth have given people years of fatigue as well. > > > > > > > > They REALLY think that with their drills they can rid a > > > tooth > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > bacteria by ridding it of visible decay? Once they > > start > > > > > > messing > > > > > > > > with your teeth as a kid--braces, amalgams...they've > > ruined > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hear ya Jill. Very true. Everything about dentistry > is > > > > > wrong, > > > > > > > > except maybe pulling rotten teeth. But even that can be > > a > > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > Eg. They say not pulling wisdom teeth is a bad thing, > > but > > > > > pulling > > > > > > > > them can be bad too if they leave pockets of infection > > > behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The OM had been long under way by the time they took > the > > > > > wisdom > > > > > > > > teeth out. Remember, I had no noticeable problems with > > my > > > > > teeth, > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > when I was trying to find some source of infection in > my > > > body > > > > > I > > > > > > > went > > > > > > > > to a few dentists/surgeons and the prognosis was that > my > > > > > wisdom > > > > > > > > teeth were impacted and should probably come out. So I > > went > > > > to > > > > > a > > > > > > > > friend of the family who's a periodontist to get an > > opinion > > > I > > > > > > felt > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > could trust, and as he was doing an inspection of each > > > tooth, > > > > > > down > > > > > > > > below the gum line, making comments for his assistant > to > > > > > record, > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > came to the first wisdom tooth and yelled " pus " ! So my > > > teeth > > > > > were > > > > > > > > already oozing pus below the gum line at that point, > but > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > > visible during regular dentist visits. Certainly a > > > condition > > > > > > > > completely outside my own awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, I think my problems started years ago, and > > > involves > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > the jaw and the sinuses. They feed back and forth at > > this > > > > > point, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > I can't say for sure which problem came first. But > > having > > > > > > pneumonia > > > > > > > > and bronchitis as a child, I'm strongly suspecting that > > > > > > c.pneumonia > > > > > > > > may have made me susceptible to other infections. I've > > had > > > > > mild > > > > > > > > symptoms of a chronic infection most of my life, but > > some > > > bad > > > > > > > dental > > > > > > > > work probably pushed me over the edge into autoimmune > > land > > > > and > > > > > > cfs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The place in my jaw where I had the worst osteonecrosis > > and > > > > > most > > > > > > > > dead bone removed, was the same place in my jaw where I > > had > > > > > the > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > novacaine injections. I got talked into putting crowns > > > (that > > > > I > > > > > > > > probably didn't need) on some childhood fillings (back > > > then, > > > > I > > > > > > > > completely trusted dentists). The first set of crowns > > > caused > > > > > me > > > > > > > pain > > > > > > > > all the time. The dentist eventually claimed that I was > > > > > allergic > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the adhesive and made an entire new set. It took over 2 > > > years > > > > > for > > > > > > > > them to get 4 crowns in my mouth that were even > > passable, > > > and > > > > > my > > > > > > > > bite, which wasn't great to begin with, was seriously > > > screwed > > > > > up. > > > > > > > > But the worst part was the trauma to my jaw. Because of > > all > > > > > the > > > > > > > > injections and sessions with my mouth being pried open > > for > > > > > hours, > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > jaw was ultra sensitive for a good long time after that > > > > > > experience, > > > > > > > > and has never been quite the same since. I developed > TMJ > > > from > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > whole experience, although wasn't aware I had it for > > many > > > > > years > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > come. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even if the dentistry didn't cause my illness, I'm > quite > > > > > > confident > > > > > > > > that it made it much worse. It was after that 2 year > > period > > > > of > > > > > > > > dental work gone wrong, that I then got a nasty sinus > > > > > infection > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > a YMCA pool. The doc couldn't get rid of it and he > > didn't > > > > want > > > > > me > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > do many abx so I toughed it out. That sinus infection > > came > > > > > with > > > > > > > > daily, excruciating sinus headaches, which eventually > > > stopped > > > > > and > > > > > > > > the sinuses seemed to clear up on their own. But then, > > for > > > > the > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > time in my life, I suddenly began having migraines. No > > one > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > looked at my sinuses, because I never had any typical > > sinus > > > > > > > symptoms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Later on, during my OM investigations (after the > removal > > of > > > > > those > > > > > > > > wisdom teeth and my health deterioating badly), an oral > > > > > surgeon > > > > > > > > looked at my ct scans and feaked because he said my > > sinuses > > > > > were > > > > > > > > seriously diseased and no way he would operate on my > > jaw, > > > > > until > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > were taken care of, because, he said, any extraction > > would > > > > > break > > > > > > > > through to the sinuses and I'd then have a serious > > problem > > > on > > > > > my > > > > > > > > hands. He really had no idea how true that was. Or that > > I > > > > > already > > > > > > > > HAD a serious problem on my hands. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since then it's been a long and discouraging road > > > discovering > > > > > how > > > > > > > > insidious, invisible and difficult this infection is. > > Also, > > > > > how > > > > > > > > common it really is. My doctor started talking to his > > > > patients > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > chronic illness and the numbers who've also had dental > > > > > problems > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > staggering. And then, when you think about the people > > who > > > are > > > > > > > > oblivious to the rot in their heads (like I was) > because > > > > > they're > > > > > > > > asymptomatic, it gets really scary. It's scary when > > > infection > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > to places that can't regenerate easily, like bone. But > > > > > bacteria > > > > > > > > loves bone, because it's so well hidden from the immune > > > > system > > > > > > > > there. It also loves organs and deep tissue and has a > > field > > > > > day > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the sinuses. Bacteria are very good at finding the best > > > > hiding > > > > > > > > places. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Depressing thinking about it. But the good news is, I'm > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > really great right now, so there's hope. Can't believe > > it. > > > My > > > > > > kids > > > > > > > > are shocked. I'm doing stuff again. I was out shopping > > with > > > > > them > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > school clothes all day today, and acting totally hyper. > > At > > > > one > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > they were laughing and telling me I've gone goofy. I > > said > > > no, > > > > > let > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > introduce you to your mother! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > penny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In infections , > > > Penny, > > > > how > > > > > do > > > > > > > > you thinkj your jaw OM/ON started...with wisdom tooth > > > > > > > > > extractions that may not have been necessary? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm being told I need a crown now. I may try to get > > them > > > to > > > > > do > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > porcelain onlay instead....a quick google of crowns > > shows > > > > me > > > > > > > > they're > > > > > > > > > just one step on the way to root canal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was thinking I would ozonate some water at home and > > > when > > > > I > > > > > am > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > dentists office and they pop off the temporary > > suddenly, > > > oh > > > > > my > > > > > > > > god, > > > > > > > > > I'm getting my period, I have to go the bathroom, > > sorry! > > > > And > > > > > go > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > their bathroom and swish ozone water all over my > mouth > > > lol, > > > > > and > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > go back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 SO are you saying pull it? Or maybe investigate ozone injections. Its also possible he's exaggerating. Who knows. > > > > > > > > > They REALLY think that with their drills they can > rid a > > > > tooth > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > bacteria by ridding it of visible decay? Once they > > > start > > > > > > > messing > > > > > > > > > with your teeth as a kid--braces, amalgams...they've > > > ruined > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hear ya Jill. Very true. Everything about > dentistry > > is > > > > > > wrong, > > > > > > > > > except maybe pulling rotten teeth. But even that can > be > > > a > > > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > Eg. They say not pulling wisdom teeth is a bad > thing, > > > but > > > > > > pulling > > > > > > > > > them can be bad too if they leave pockets of > infection > > > > behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The OM had been long under way by the time they took > > the > > > > > > wisdom > > > > > > > > > teeth out. Remember, I had no noticeable problems > with > > > my > > > > > > teeth, > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > when I was trying to find some source of infection > in > > my > > > > body > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > went > > > > > > > > > to a few dentists/surgeons and the prognosis was > that > > my > > > > > > wisdom > > > > > > > > > teeth were impacted and should probably come out. So > I > > > went > > > > > to > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > friend of the family who's a periodontist to get an > > > opinion > > > > I > > > > > > > felt > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > could trust, and as he was doing an inspection of > each > > > > tooth, > > > > > > > down > > > > > > > > > below the gum line, making comments for his > assistant > > to > > > > > > record, > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > came to the first wisdom tooth and yelled " pus " ! So > my > > > > teeth > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > already oozing pus below the gum line at that point, > > but > > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > > > visible during regular dentist visits. Certainly a > > > > condition > > > > > > > > > completely outside my own awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, I think my problems started years ago, and > > > > involves > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > the jaw and the sinuses. They feed back and forth at > > > this > > > > > > point, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > I can't say for sure which problem came first. But > > > having > > > > > > > pneumonia > > > > > > > > > and bronchitis as a child, I'm strongly suspecting > that > > > > > > > c.pneumonia > > > > > > > > > may have made me susceptible to other infections. > I've > > > had > > > > > > mild > > > > > > > > > symptoms of a chronic infection most of my life, but > > > some > > > > bad > > > > > > > > dental > > > > > > > > > work probably pushed me over the edge into > autoimmune > > > land > > > > > and > > > > > > > cfs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The place in my jaw where I had the worst > osteonecrosis > > > and > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > dead bone removed, was the same place in my jaw > where I > > > had > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > novacaine injections. I got talked into putting > crowns > > > > (that > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > probably didn't need) on some childhood fillings > (back > > > > then, > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > completely trusted dentists). The first set of > crowns > > > > caused > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > pain > > > > > > > > > all the time. The dentist eventually claimed that I > was > > > > > > allergic > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > the adhesive and made an entire new set. It took > over 2 > > > > years > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > them to get 4 crowns in my mouth that were even > > > passable, > > > > and > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > bite, which wasn't great to begin with, was > seriously > > > > screwed > > > > > > up. > > > > > > > > > But the worst part was the trauma to my jaw. Because > of > > > all > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > injections and sessions with my mouth being pried > open > > > for > > > > > > hours, > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > jaw was ultra sensitive for a good long time after > that > > > > > > > experience, > > > > > > > > > and has never been quite the same since. I developed > > TMJ > > > > from > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > whole experience, although wasn't aware I had it for > > > many > > > > > > years > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > come. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even if the dentistry didn't cause my illness, I'm > > quite > > > > > > > confident > > > > > > > > > that it made it much worse. It was after that 2 year > > > period > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > dental work gone wrong, that I then got a nasty > sinus > > > > > > infection > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > a YMCA pool. The doc couldn't get rid of it and he > > > didn't > > > > > want > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > do many abx so I toughed it out. That sinus > infection > > > came > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > daily, excruciating sinus headaches, which > eventually > > > > stopped > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > the sinuses seemed to clear up on their own. But > then, > > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > time in my life, I suddenly began having migraines. > No > > > one > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > > looked at my sinuses, because I never had any > typical > > > sinus > > > > > > > > symptoms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Later on, during my OM investigations (after the > > removal > > > of > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > wisdom teeth and my health deterioating badly), an > oral > > > > > > surgeon > > > > > > > > > looked at my ct scans and feaked because he said my > > > sinuses > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > seriously diseased and no way he would operate on my > > > jaw, > > > > > > until > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > were taken care of, because, he said, any extraction > > > would > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > through to the sinuses and I'd then have a serious > > > problem > > > > on > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > hands. He really had no idea how true that was. Or > that > > > I > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > HAD a serious problem on my hands. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since then it's been a long and discouraging road > > > > discovering > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > insidious, invisible and difficult this infection > is. > > > Also, > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > common it really is. My doctor started talking to > his > > > > > patients > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > chronic illness and the numbers who've also had > dental > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > staggering. And then, when you think about the > people > > > who > > > > are > > > > > > > > > oblivious to the rot in their heads (like I was) > > because > > > > > > they're > > > > > > > > > asymptomatic, it gets really scary. It's scary when > > > > infection > > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > > to places that can't regenerate easily, like bone. > But > > > > > > bacteria > > > > > > > > > loves bone, because it's so well hidden from the > immune > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > there. It also loves organs and deep tissue and has > a > > > field > > > > > > day > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the sinuses. Bacteria are very good at finding the > best > > > > > hiding > > > > > > > > > places. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Depressing thinking about it. But the good news is, > I'm > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > really great right now, so there's hope. Can't > believe > > > it. > > > > My > > > > > > > kids > > > > > > > > > are shocked. I'm doing stuff again. I was out > shopping > > > with > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > school clothes all day today, and acting totally > hyper. > > > At > > > > > one > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > they were laughing and telling me I've gone goofy. I > > > said > > > > no, > > > > > > let > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > introduce you to your mother! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > penny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In infections , > > > > Penny, > > > > > how > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > you thinkj your jaw OM/ON started...with wisdom > tooth > > > > > > > > > > extractions that may not have been necessary? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm being told I need a crown now. I may try to > get > > > them > > > > to > > > > > > do > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > porcelain onlay instead....a quick google of > crowns > > > shows > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > they're > > > > > > > > > > just one step on the way to root canal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was thinking I would ozonate some water at home > and > > > > when > > > > > I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > dentists office and they pop off the temporary > > > suddenly, > > > > oh > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > god, > > > > > > > > > > I'm getting my period, I have to go the bathroom, > > > sorry! > > > > > And > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > their bathroom and swish ozone water all over my > > mouth > > > > lol, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > go back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Jill The problem is hard to interpret when the damage has been done.If you had it just starting it's an easier call.My problem is that above the tooth past the roots you've got more problems often than the tooth itself when something has been brewing for ten years. tony > > > > > > > > > > They REALLY think that with their drills they can > > rid a > > > > > tooth > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > bacteria by ridding it of visible decay? Once > they > > > > start > > > > > > > > messing > > > > > > > > > > with your teeth as a kid--braces, > amalgams...they've > > > > ruined > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hear ya Jill. Very true. Everything about > > dentistry > > > is > > > > > > > wrong, > > > > > > > > > > except maybe pulling rotten teeth. But even that > can > > be > > > > a > > > > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > Eg. They say not pulling wisdom teeth is a bad > > thing, > > > > but > > > > > > > pulling > > > > > > > > > > them can be bad too if they leave pockets of > > infection > > > > > behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The OM had been long under way by the time they > took > > > the > > > > > > > wisdom > > > > > > > > > > teeth out. Remember, I had no noticeable problems > > with > > > > my > > > > > > > teeth, > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > when I was trying to find some source of infection > > in > > > my > > > > > body > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > went > > > > > > > > > > to a few dentists/surgeons and the prognosis was > > that > > > my > > > > > > > wisdom > > > > > > > > > > teeth were impacted and should probably come out. > So > > I > > > > went > > > > > > to > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > friend of the family who's a periodontist to get an > > > > opinion > > > > > I > > > > > > > > felt > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > could trust, and as he was doing an inspection of > > each > > > > > tooth, > > > > > > > > down > > > > > > > > > > below the gum line, making comments for his > > assistant > > > to > > > > > > > record, > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > came to the first wisdom tooth and yelled " pus " ! So > > my > > > > > teeth > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > > already oozing pus below the gum line at that > point, > > > but > > > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > > > > visible during regular dentist visits. Certainly a > > > > > condition > > > > > > > > > > completely outside my own awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, I think my problems started years ago, > and > > > > > involves > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > the jaw and the sinuses. They feed back and forth > at > > > > this > > > > > > > point, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > I can't say for sure which problem came first. But > > > > having > > > > > > > > pneumonia > > > > > > > > > > and bronchitis as a child, I'm strongly suspecting > > that > > > > > > > > c.pneumonia > > > > > > > > > > may have made me susceptible to other infections. > > I've > > > > had > > > > > > > mild > > > > > > > > > > symptoms of a chronic infection most of my life, > but > > > > some > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > dental > > > > > > > > > > work probably pushed me over the edge into > > autoimmune > > > > land > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > cfs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The place in my jaw where I had the worst > > osteonecrosis > > > > and > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > dead bone removed, was the same place in my jaw > > where I > > > > had > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > novacaine injections. I got talked into putting > > crowns > > > > > (that > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > probably didn't need) on some childhood fillings > > (back > > > > > then, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > completely trusted dentists). The first set of > > crowns > > > > > caused > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > pain > > > > > > > > > > all the time. The dentist eventually claimed that I > > was > > > > > > > allergic > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > the adhesive and made an entire new set. It took > > over 2 > > > > > years > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > them to get 4 crowns in my mouth that were even > > > > passable, > > > > > and > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > bite, which wasn't great to begin with, was > > seriously > > > > > screwed > > > > > > > up. > > > > > > > > > > But the worst part was the trauma to my jaw. > Because > > of > > > > all > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > injections and sessions with my mouth being pried > > open > > > > for > > > > > > > hours, > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > jaw was ultra sensitive for a good long time after > > that > > > > > > > > experience, > > > > > > > > > > and has never been quite the same since. I > developed > > > TMJ > > > > > from > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > whole experience, although wasn't aware I had it > for > > > > many > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > come. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even if the dentistry didn't cause my illness, I'm > > > quite > > > > > > > > confident > > > > > > > > > > that it made it much worse. It was after that 2 > year > > > > period > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > dental work gone wrong, that I then got a nasty > > sinus > > > > > > > infection > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > a YMCA pool. The doc couldn't get rid of it and he > > > > didn't > > > > > > want > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > do many abx so I toughed it out. That sinus > > infection > > > > came > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > daily, excruciating sinus headaches, which > > eventually > > > > > stopped > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > the sinuses seemed to clear up on their own. But > > then, > > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > time in my life, I suddenly began having migraines. > > No > > > > one > > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > > > looked at my sinuses, because I never had any > > typical > > > > sinus > > > > > > > > > symptoms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Later on, during my OM investigations (after the > > > removal > > > > of > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > wisdom teeth and my health deterioating badly), an > > oral > > > > > > > surgeon > > > > > > > > > > looked at my ct scans and feaked because he said my > > > > sinuses > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > > seriously diseased and no way he would operate on > my > > > > jaw, > > > > > > > until > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > were taken care of, because, he said, any > extraction > > > > would > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > through to the sinuses and I'd then have a serious > > > > problem > > > > > on > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > hands. He really had no idea how true that was. Or > > that > > > > I > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > HAD a serious problem on my hands. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since then it's been a long and discouraging road > > > > > discovering > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > insidious, invisible and difficult this infection > > is. > > > > Also, > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > common it really is. My doctor started talking to > > his > > > > > > patients > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > chronic illness and the numbers who've also had > > dental > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > staggering. And then, when you think about the > > people > > > > who > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > oblivious to the rot in their heads (like I was) > > > because > > > > > > > they're > > > > > > > > > > asymptomatic, it gets really scary. It's scary when > > > > > infection > > > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > > > to places that can't regenerate easily, like bone. > > But > > > > > > > bacteria > > > > > > > > > > loves bone, because it's so well hidden from the > > immune > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > there. It also loves organs and deep tissue and has > > a > > > > field > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > the sinuses. Bacteria are very good at finding the > > best > > > > > > hiding > > > > > > > > > > places. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Depressing thinking about it. But the good news is, > > I'm > > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > > really great right now, so there's hope. Can't > > believe > > > > it. > > > > > My > > > > > > > > kids > > > > > > > > > > are shocked. I'm doing stuff again. I was out > > shopping > > > > with > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > school clothes all day today, and acting totally > > hyper. > > > > At > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > they were laughing and telling me I've gone goofy. > I > > > > said > > > > > no, > > > > > > > let > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > introduce you to your mother! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > penny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In infections , > > > > > Penny, > > > > > > how > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > you thinkj your jaw OM/ON started...with wisdom > > tooth > > > > > > > > > > > extractions that may not have been necessary? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm being told I need a crown now. I may try to > > get > > > > them > > > > > to > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > porcelain onlay instead....a quick google of > > crowns > > > > shows > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > they're > > > > > > > > > > > just one step on the way to root canal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was thinking I would ozonate some water at home > > and > > > > > when > > > > > > I > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > dentists office and they pop off the temporary > > > > suddenly, > > > > > oh > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > god, > > > > > > > > > > > I'm getting my period, I have to go the bathroom, > > > > sorry! > > > > > > And > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > their bathroom and swish ozone water all over my > > > mouth > > > > > lol, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > go back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Jill Ozone injections ain't going to help sterilise your tooth.I don't know why you have such strong belief systems to some of this quackery.The bacteria that attack your teeth don't go down comfortably to bleaching let alon ozone. tony > > > > > > > > > > They REALLY think that with their drills they can > > rid a > > > > > tooth > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > bacteria by ridding it of visible decay? Once > they > > > > start > > > > > > > > messing > > > > > > > > > > with your teeth as a kid--braces, > amalgams...they've > > > > ruined > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hear ya Jill. Very true. Everything about > > dentistry > > > is > > > > > > > wrong, > > > > > > > > > > except maybe pulling rotten teeth. But even that > can > > be > > > > a > > > > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > Eg. They say not pulling wisdom teeth is a bad > > thing, > > > > but > > > > > > > pulling > > > > > > > > > > them can be bad too if they leave pockets of > > infection > > > > > behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The OM had been long under way by the time they > took > > > the > > > > > > > wisdom > > > > > > > > > > teeth out. Remember, I had no noticeable problems > > with > > > > my > > > > > > > teeth, > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > when I was trying to find some source of infection > > in > > > my > > > > > body > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > went > > > > > > > > > > to a few dentists/surgeons and the prognosis was > > that > > > my > > > > > > > wisdom > > > > > > > > > > teeth were impacted and should probably come out. > So > > I > > > > went > > > > > > to > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > friend of the family who's a periodontist to get an > > > > opinion > > > > > I > > > > > > > > felt > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > could trust, and as he was doing an inspection of > > each > > > > > tooth, > > > > > > > > down > > > > > > > > > > below the gum line, making comments for his > > assistant > > > to > > > > > > > record, > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > came to the first wisdom tooth and yelled " pus " ! So > > my > > > > > teeth > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > > already oozing pus below the gum line at that > point, > > > but > > > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > > > > visible during regular dentist visits. Certainly a > > > > > condition > > > > > > > > > > completely outside my own awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, I think my problems started years ago, > and > > > > > involves > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > the jaw and the sinuses. They feed back and forth > at > > > > this > > > > > > > point, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > I can't say for sure which problem came first. But > > > > having > > > > > > > > pneumonia > > > > > > > > > > and bronchitis as a child, I'm strongly suspecting > > that > > > > > > > > c.pneumonia > > > > > > > > > > may have made me susceptible to other infections. > > I've > > > > had > > > > > > > mild > > > > > > > > > > symptoms of a chronic infection most of my life, > but > > > > some > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > dental > > > > > > > > > > work probably pushed me over the edge into > > autoimmune > > > > land > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > cfs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The place in my jaw where I had the worst > > osteonecrosis > > > > and > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > dead bone removed, was the same place in my jaw > > where I > > > > had > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > novacaine injections. I got talked into putting > > crowns > > > > > (that > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > probably didn't need) on some childhood fillings > > (back > > > > > then, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > completely trusted dentists). The first set of > > crowns > > > > > caused > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > pain > > > > > > > > > > all the time. The dentist eventually claimed that I > > was > > > > > > > allergic > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > the adhesive and made an entire new set. It took > > over 2 > > > > > years > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > them to get 4 crowns in my mouth that were even > > > > passable, > > > > > and > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > bite, which wasn't great to begin with, was > > seriously > > > > > screwed > > > > > > > up. > > > > > > > > > > But the worst part was the trauma to my jaw. > Because > > of > > > > all > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > injections and sessions with my mouth being pried > > open > > > > for > > > > > > > hours, > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > jaw was ultra sensitive for a good long time after > > that > > > > > > > > experience, > > > > > > > > > > and has never been quite the same since. I > developed > > > TMJ > > > > > from > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > whole experience, although wasn't aware I had it > for > > > > many > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > come. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even if the dentistry didn't cause my illness, I'm > > > quite > > > > > > > > confident > > > > > > > > > > that it made it much worse. It was after that 2 > year > > > > period > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > dental work gone wrong, that I then got a nasty > > sinus > > > > > > > infection > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > a YMCA pool. The doc couldn't get rid of it and he > > > > didn't > > > > > > want > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > do many abx so I toughed it out. That sinus > > infection > > > > came > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > daily, excruciating sinus headaches, which > > eventually > > > > > stopped > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > the sinuses seemed to clear up on their own. But > > then, > > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > time in my life, I suddenly began having migraines. > > No > > > > one > > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > > > looked at my sinuses, because I never had any > > typical > > > > sinus > > > > > > > > > symptoms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Later on, during my OM investigations (after the > > > removal > > > > of > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > wisdom teeth and my health deterioating badly), an > > oral > > > > > > > surgeon > > > > > > > > > > looked at my ct scans and feaked because he said my > > > > sinuses > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > > seriously diseased and no way he would operate on > my > > > > jaw, > > > > > > > until > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > were taken care of, because, he said, any > extraction > > > > would > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > through to the sinuses and I'd then have a serious > > > > problem > > > > > on > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > hands. He really had no idea how true that was. Or > > that > > > > I > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > HAD a serious problem on my hands. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since then it's been a long and discouraging road > > > > > discovering > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > insidious, invisible and difficult this infection > > is. > > > > Also, > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > common it really is. My doctor started talking to > > his > > > > > > patients > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > chronic illness and the numbers who've also had > > dental > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > staggering. And then, when you think about the > > people > > > > who > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > oblivious to the rot in their heads (like I was) > > > because > > > > > > > they're > > > > > > > > > > asymptomatic, it gets really scary. It's scary when > > > > > infection > > > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > > > to places that can't regenerate easily, like bone. > > But > > > > > > > bacteria > > > > > > > > > > loves bone, because it's so well hidden from the > > immune > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > there. It also loves organs and deep tissue and has > > a > > > > field > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > the sinuses. Bacteria are very good at finding the > > best > > > > > > hiding > > > > > > > > > > places. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Depressing thinking about it. But the good news is, > > I'm > > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > > really great right now, so there's hope. Can't > > believe > > > > it. > > > > > My > > > > > > > > kids > > > > > > > > > > are shocked. I'm doing stuff again. I was out > > shopping > > > > with > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > school clothes all day today, and acting totally > > hyper. > > > > At > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > they were laughing and telling me I've gone goofy. > I > > > > said > > > > > no, > > > > > > > let > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > introduce you to your mother! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > penny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In infections , > > > > > Penny, > > > > > > how > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > you thinkj your jaw OM/ON started...with wisdom > > tooth > > > > > > > > > > > extractions that may not have been necessary? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm being told I need a crown now. I may try to > > get > > > > them > > > > > to > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > porcelain onlay instead....a quick google of > > crowns > > > > shows > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > they're > > > > > > > > > > > just one step on the way to root canal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was thinking I would ozonate some water at home > > and > > > > > when > > > > > > I > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > dentists office and they pop off the temporary > > > > suddenly, > > > > > oh > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > god, > > > > > > > > > > > I'm getting my period, I have to go the bathroom, > > > > sorry! > > > > > > And > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > their bathroom and swish ozone water all over my > > > mouth > > > > > lol, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > go back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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