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Is he still fixing them with arsenic?

I thought Penny's post was really informative, I emailed it to

myself. It obviously makes sense that pathogens that colonize you,

colonize most of you. So whatever you fin din your mouth or nose is

probably also in other parts of you such as blood or bone. Which is

why gingitivis and gum disease is associated with heart attack risk

etc.

> > Can you post more pictures???? That was fascinating

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Sue

that blood slide is of my own making about 3 years ago. What you can

observe is the red cells ain't healthy looking.If half the truckies

in america went on strike and the other half were driving defective

trucks over half the country would be defective and not function. The

disease causing agents in this case are those small coccal forms

(arrow things). Just to give you an idea of how big most species of

bacteria truly are-This size fits many thousands of species, if you

have bacillus bacteria they are the size of three of those round ones

joined together.

I decided to post this because I found it interesting that babesia is

similar in nature yet a whole lot bigger.

> > Can you post more pictures???? That was fascinating

>

> Yes Tony - post more plz - and... what are we looking at?

> Cheers,

> *S*

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Sue

I just realised! I have to be carefull when posting to you, you may

get me thrown off yet another forum.

> > Can you post more pictures???? That was fascinating

>

> Yes Tony - post more plz - and... what are we looking at?

> Cheers,

> *S*

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Tony, if I'm not mistaken Tarello has never published a series of

findings of the cocci in cfs patients (other than him and his wife).

Correct? Which is not to say he hasnt tried.

This statement by AW is therefore interesting:

" But anyway, I got Walter (Torello) to look at 78 peripheral blood

stains of my CDC defined CFS and ME patients. He came back and said 52

have got micrococci (either alone or as a co-infection), 33 have got

Babesia-like bodies, 10 have Ehrlichia, 1 Bartonella and 9 were

negative. So it sounds like a zoonotic infection really. The only

thing is that Babesia is puzzling. I only see 10% co-infected with

Babesia in the UK (by Bowen testing). And Borrelia looks like Babesia

on a stained film, so it's difficult to say which one it is. "

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Tony, what size are cocci usually, and do they evolve into different

forms or always into staphylcocci? YOu watched them evolve, in

diffeent lslides? Did you see smoe inside the cells and some outside?

I think babesia is bigger than malaria, right? I " d better go look at

some sizes. One person wrote me this:

In order for a red blood cell to " get past " the capillary

---------- ----------

(capillary space is illustrated as the " gap " between the dash lines

above)

the red blood cell must " bend over backwards "

Why???

because the red blood cell has a 7 micron diameter

and the capillary has a 3 micron diameter

so if each of the ---------- 10 dashes is 1 micron long

and the " space " between the dashes is = 3 units

each 1 micron

then you can see that the ------- (7 micron length)

will not fit between the available space in line 2 above.

Now return to the matrix of malaria images...

The " big " stuff inside the cells is the size of the gametocyte

and all bigger taht 3 microns

The small stuff is the size of 1 micron

babesia-like inclusions.

remember that babesia-inclusions are always small

and nver gametocyte-like big stuff.

Withthis model, which parasitizsed red blood cell is most likely to

get

" stuck " at the capillary 3 micron barrier?

> > > Can you post more pictures???? That was fascinating

> >

> > Yes Tony - post more plz - and... what are we looking at?

> > Cheers,

> > *S*

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Not on purpose luv... unless you bring up your Merc fillings,

then -I- might get tossed. *-)

Cheers,

*S*

> > > Can you post more pictures???? That was fascinating

> >

> > Yes Tony - post more plz - and... what are we looking at?

> > Cheers,

> > *S*

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Tony:

Do you have your own teeth?

Barb

> > > > > > > > > > They REALLY think that with their drills they can

> > rid a

> > > > > tooth

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > bacteria by ridding it of visible decay? Once

> they

> > > > start

> > > > > > > > messing

> > > > > > > > > > with your teeth as a kid--braces,

> amalgams...they've

> > > > ruined

> > > > > > > them.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I hear ya Jill. Very true. Everything about

> > dentistry

> > > is

> > > > > > > wrong,

> > > > > > > > > > except maybe pulling rotten teeth. But even that

> can

> > be

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > problem.

> > > > > > > > > > Eg. They say not pulling wisdom teeth is a bad

> > thing,

> > > > but

> > > > > > > pulling

> > > > > > > > > > them can be bad too if they leave pockets of

> > infection

> > > > > behind.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The OM had been long under way by the time they

> took

> > > the

> > > > > > > wisdom

> > > > > > > > > > teeth out. Remember, I had no noticeable problems

> > with

> > > > my

> > > > > > > teeth,

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > when I was trying to find some source of

infection

> > in

> > > my

> > > > > body

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > went

> > > > > > > > > > to a few dentists/surgeons and the prognosis was

> > that

> > > my

> > > > > > > wisdom

> > > > > > > > > > teeth were impacted and should probably come out.

> So

> > I

> > > > went

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > friend of the family who's a periodontist to get

an

> > > > opinion

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > felt

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > could trust, and as he was doing an inspection of

> > each

> > > > > tooth,

> > > > > > > > down

> > > > > > > > > > below the gum line, making comments for his

> > assistant

> > > to

> > > > > > > record,

> > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > came to the first wisdom tooth and yelled " pus " !

So

> > my

> > > > > teeth

> > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > already oozing pus below the gum line at that

> point,

> > > but

> > > > > > > nothing

> > > > > > > > > > visible during regular dentist visits. Certainly

a

> > > > > condition

> > > > > > > > > > completely outside my own awareness.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Actually, I think my problems started years ago,

> and

> > > > > involves

> > > > > > > > both

> > > > > > > > > > the jaw and the sinuses. They feed back and forth

> at

> > > > this

> > > > > > > point,

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > I can't say for sure which problem came first.

But

> > > > having

> > > > > > > > pneumonia

> > > > > > > > > > and bronchitis as a child, I'm strongly

suspecting

> > that

> > > > > > > > c.pneumonia

> > > > > > > > > > may have made me susceptible to other infections.

> > I've

> > > > had

> > > > > > > mild

> > > > > > > > > > symptoms of a chronic infection most of my life,

> but

> > > > some

> > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > > dental

> > > > > > > > > > work probably pushed me over the edge into

> > autoimmune

> > > > land

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > cfs.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The place in my jaw where I had the worst

> > osteonecrosis

> > > > and

> > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > > > dead bone removed, was the same place in my jaw

> > where I

> > > > had

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > > > novacaine injections. I got talked into putting

> > crowns

> > > > > (that

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > probably didn't need) on some childhood fillings

> > (back

> > > > > then,

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > completely trusted dentists). The first set of

> > crowns

> > > > > caused

> > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > pain

> > > > > > > > > > all the time. The dentist eventually claimed that

I

> > was

> > > > > > > allergic

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > the adhesive and made an entire new set. It took

> > over 2

> > > > > years

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > them to get 4 crowns in my mouth that were even

> > > > passable,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > bite, which wasn't great to begin with, was

> > seriously

> > > > > screwed

> > > > > > > up.

> > > > > > > > > > But the worst part was the trauma to my jaw.

> Because

> > of

> > > > all

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > injections and sessions with my mouth being pried

> > open

> > > > for

> > > > > > > hours,

> > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > jaw was ultra sensitive for a good long time

after

> > that

> > > > > > > > experience,

> > > > > > > > > > and has never been quite the same since. I

> developed

> > > TMJ

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > whole experience, although wasn't aware I had it

> for

> > > > many

> > > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > come.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Even if the dentistry didn't cause my illness,

I'm

> > > quite

> > > > > > > > confident

> > > > > > > > > > that it made it much worse. It was after that 2

> year

> > > > period

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > dental work gone wrong, that I then got a nasty

> > sinus

> > > > > > > infection

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > a YMCA pool. The doc couldn't get rid of it and

he

> > > > didn't

> > > > > > want

> > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > do many abx so I toughed it out. That sinus

> > infection

> > > > came

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > daily, excruciating sinus headaches, which

> > eventually

> > > > > stopped

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > the sinuses seemed to clear up on their own. But

> > then,

> > > > for

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > time in my life, I suddenly began having

migraines.

> > No

> > > > one

> > > > > > > ever

> > > > > > > > > > looked at my sinuses, because I never had any

> > typical

> > > > sinus

> > > > > > > > > symptoms.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Later on, during my OM investigations (after the

> > > removal

> > > > of

> > > > > > > those

> > > > > > > > > > wisdom teeth and my health deterioating badly),

an

> > oral

> > > > > > > surgeon

> > > > > > > > > > looked at my ct scans and feaked because he said

my

> > > > sinuses

> > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > seriously diseased and no way he would operate on

> my

> > > > jaw,

> > > > > > > until

> > > > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > > were taken care of, because, he said, any

> extraction

> > > > would

> > > > > > > break

> > > > > > > > > > through to the sinuses and I'd then have a

serious

> > > > problem

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > hands. He really had no idea how true that was.

Or

> > that

> > > > I

> > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > > HAD a serious problem on my hands.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Since then it's been a long and discouraging road

> > > > > discovering

> > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > insidious, invisible and difficult this infection

> > is.

> > > > Also,

> > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > common it really is. My doctor started talking to

> > his

> > > > > > patients

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > chronic illness and the numbers who've also had

> > dental

> > > > > > > problems

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > staggering. And then, when you think about the

> > people

> > > > who

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > oblivious to the rot in their heads (like I was)

> > > because

> > > > > > > they're

> > > > > > > > > > asymptomatic, it gets really scary. It's scary

when

> > > > > infection

> > > > > > > > gets

> > > > > > > > > > to places that can't regenerate easily, like

bone.

> > But

> > > > > > > bacteria

> > > > > > > > > > loves bone, because it's so well hidden from the

> > immune

> > > > > > system

> > > > > > > > > > there. It also loves organs and deep tissue and

has

> > a

> > > > field

> > > > > > > day

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > the sinuses. Bacteria are very good at finding

the

> > best

> > > > > > hiding

> > > > > > > > > > places.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Depressing thinking about it. But the good news

is,

> > I'm

> > > > > > > feeling

> > > > > > > > > > really great right now, so there's hope. Can't

> > believe

> > > > it.

> > > > > My

> > > > > > > > kids

> > > > > > > > > > are shocked. I'm doing stuff again. I was out

> > shopping

> > > > with

> > > > > > > them

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > school clothes all day today, and acting totally

> > hyper.

> > > > At

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > point

> > > > > > > > > > they were laughing and telling me I've gone

goofy.

> I

> > > > said

> > > > > no,

> > > > > > > let

> > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > introduce you to your mother! :-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > penny

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In infections ,

>

> > > > Penny,

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > you thinkj your jaw OM/ON started...with wisdom

> > tooth

> > > > > > > > > > > extractions that may not have been necessary?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I'm being told I need a crown now. I may try to

> > get

> > > > them

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > porcelain onlay instead....a quick google of

> > crowns

> > > > shows

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > they're

> > > > > > > > > > > just one step on the way to root canal.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I was thinking I would ozonate some water at

home

> > and

> > > > > when

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > dentists office and they pop off the temporary

> > > > suddenly,

> > > > > oh

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > god,

> > > > > > > > > > > I'm getting my period, I have to go the

bathroom,

> > > > sorry!

> > > > > > And

> > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > their bathroom and swish ozone water all over

my

> > > mouth

> > > > > lol,

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > > go back.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

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Yeah

I took about 8 out when I realised how deep cavities and root canals

were just a source of systemic infection. I eat and have no problems

with all my rear teeth removed. Often you hear people worrying about

a tooth being pulled because it's going to do some bull to the bite

and whatever else they throw up.

The problem when you become compromised is removing the tooth is as

hard as keeping it, if you get in early the removal may see a 100%

healing- later on anything even dry sockets and the like are the

norm.There's no longer a good advise scenario unfortunately.

> > > > > > > > > > > They REALLY think that with their drills they

can

> > > rid a

> > > > > > tooth

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > bacteria by ridding it of visible decay?

Once

> > they

> > > > > start

> > > > > > > > > messing

> > > > > > > > > > > with your teeth as a kid--braces,

> > amalgams...they've

> > > > > ruined

> > > > > > > > them.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I hear ya Jill. Very true. Everything about

> > > dentistry

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > wrong,

> > > > > > > > > > > except maybe pulling rotten teeth. But even

that

> > can

> > > be

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > problem.

> > > > > > > > > > > Eg. They say not pulling wisdom teeth is a bad

> > > thing,

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > > pulling

> > > > > > > > > > > them can be bad too if they leave pockets of

> > > infection

> > > > > > behind.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The OM had been long under way by the time

they

> > took

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > wisdom

> > > > > > > > > > > teeth out. Remember, I had no noticeable

problems

> > > with

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > > teeth,

> > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > when I was trying to find some source of

> infection

> > > in

> > > > my

> > > > > > body

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > went

> > > > > > > > > > > to a few dentists/surgeons and the prognosis

was

> > > that

> > > > my

> > > > > > > > wisdom

> > > > > > > > > > > teeth were impacted and should probably come

out.

> > So

> > > I

> > > > > went

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > friend of the family who's a periodontist to

get

> an

> > > > > opinion

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > felt

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > could trust, and as he was doing an inspection

of

> > > each

> > > > > > tooth,

> > > > > > > > > down

> > > > > > > > > > > below the gum line, making comments for his

> > > assistant

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > record,

> > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > came to the first wisdom tooth and

yelled " pus " !

> So

> > > my

> > > > > > teeth

> > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > already oozing pus below the gum line at that

> > point,

> > > > but

> > > > > > > > nothing

> > > > > > > > > > > visible during regular dentist visits.

Certainly

> a

> > > > > > condition

> > > > > > > > > > > completely outside my own awareness.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Actually, I think my problems started years

ago,

> > and

> > > > > > involves

> > > > > > > > > both

> > > > > > > > > > > the jaw and the sinuses. They feed back and

forth

> > at

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > point,

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > I can't say for sure which problem came first.

> But

> > > > > having

> > > > > > > > > pneumonia

> > > > > > > > > > > and bronchitis as a child, I'm strongly

> suspecting

> > > that

> > > > > > > > > c.pneumonia

> > > > > > > > > > > may have made me susceptible to other

infections.

> > > I've

> > > > > had

> > > > > > > > mild

> > > > > > > > > > > symptoms of a chronic infection most of my

life,

> > but

> > > > > some

> > > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > > > dental

> > > > > > > > > > > work probably pushed me over the edge into

> > > autoimmune

> > > > > land

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > cfs.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The place in my jaw where I had the worst

> > > osteonecrosis

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > > > > dead bone removed, was the same place in my

jaw

> > > where I

> > > > > had

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > > > > novacaine injections. I got talked into

putting

> > > crowns

> > > > > > (that

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > probably didn't need) on some childhood

fillings

> > > (back

> > > > > > then,

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > completely trusted dentists). The first set of

> > > crowns

> > > > > > caused

> > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > pain

> > > > > > > > > > > all the time. The dentist eventually claimed

that

> I

> > > was

> > > > > > > > allergic

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > the adhesive and made an entire new set. It

took

> > > over 2

> > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > them to get 4 crowns in my mouth that were

even

> > > > > passable,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > bite, which wasn't great to begin with, was

> > > seriously

> > > > > > screwed

> > > > > > > > up.

> > > > > > > > > > > But the worst part was the trauma to my jaw.

> > Because

> > > of

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > injections and sessions with my mouth being

pried

> > > open

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > hours,

> > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > jaw was ultra sensitive for a good long time

> after

> > > that

> > > > > > > > > experience,

> > > > > > > > > > > and has never been quite the same since. I

> > developed

> > > > TMJ

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > whole experience, although wasn't aware I had

it

> > for

> > > > > many

> > > > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > come.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Even if the dentistry didn't cause my illness,

> I'm

> > > > quite

> > > > > > > > > confident

> > > > > > > > > > > that it made it much worse. It was after that

2

> > year

> > > > > period

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > dental work gone wrong, that I then got a

nasty

> > > sinus

> > > > > > > > infection

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > a YMCA pool. The doc couldn't get rid of it

and

> he

> > > > > didn't

> > > > > > > want

> > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > do many abx so I toughed it out. That sinus

> > > infection

> > > > > came

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > daily, excruciating sinus headaches, which

> > > eventually

> > > > > > stopped

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > the sinuses seemed to clear up on their own.

But

> > > then,

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > time in my life, I suddenly began having

> migraines.

> > > No

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > > ever

> > > > > > > > > > > looked at my sinuses, because I never had any

> > > typical

> > > > > sinus

> > > > > > > > > > symptoms.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Later on, during my OM investigations (after

the

> > > > removal

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > those

> > > > > > > > > > > wisdom teeth and my health deterioating

badly),

> an

> > > oral

> > > > > > > > surgeon

> > > > > > > > > > > looked at my ct scans and feaked because he

said

> my

> > > > > sinuses

> > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > seriously diseased and no way he would operate

on

> > my

> > > > > jaw,

> > > > > > > > until

> > > > > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > > > were taken care of, because, he said, any

> > extraction

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > > break

> > > > > > > > > > > through to the sinuses and I'd then have a

> serious

> > > > > problem

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > hands. He really had no idea how true that

was.

> Or

> > > that

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > > > HAD a serious problem on my hands.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Since then it's been a long and discouraging

road

> > > > > > discovering

> > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > insidious, invisible and difficult this

infection

> > > is.

> > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > common it really is. My doctor started talking

to

> > > his

> > > > > > > patients

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > chronic illness and the numbers who've also

had

> > > dental

> > > > > > > > problems

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > staggering. And then, when you think about the

> > > people

> > > > > who

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > oblivious to the rot in their heads (like I

was)

> > > > because

> > > > > > > > they're

> > > > > > > > > > > asymptomatic, it gets really scary. It's scary

> when

> > > > > > infection

> > > > > > > > > gets

> > > > > > > > > > > to places that can't regenerate easily, like

> bone.

> > > But

> > > > > > > > bacteria

> > > > > > > > > > > loves bone, because it's so well hidden from

the

> > > immune

> > > > > > > system

> > > > > > > > > > > there. It also loves organs and deep tissue

and

> has

> > > a

> > > > > field

> > > > > > > > day

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > the sinuses. Bacteria are very good at finding

> the

> > > best

> > > > > > > hiding

> > > > > > > > > > > places.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Depressing thinking about it. But the good

news

> is,

> > > I'm

> > > > > > > > feeling

> > > > > > > > > > > really great right now, so there's hope. Can't

> > > believe

> > > > > it.

> > > > > > My

> > > > > > > > > kids

> > > > > > > > > > > are shocked. I'm doing stuff again. I was out

> > > shopping

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > them

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > school clothes all day today, and acting

totally

> > > hyper.

> > > > > At

> > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > point

> > > > > > > > > > > they were laughing and telling me I've gone

> goofy.

> > I

> > > > > said

> > > > > > no,

> > > > > > > > let

> > > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > > introduce you to your mother! :-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > penny

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

infections ,

> >

> > > > > Penny,

> > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > you thinkj your jaw OM/ON started...with

wisdom

> > > tooth

> > > > > > > > > > > > extractions that may not have been necessary?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I'm being told I need a crown now. I may try

to

> > > get

> > > > > them

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > porcelain onlay instead....a quick google of

> > > crowns

> > > > > shows

> > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > > they're

> > > > > > > > > > > > just one step on the way to root canal.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I was thinking I would ozonate some water at

> home

> > > and

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > dentists office and they pop off the

temporary

> > > > > suddenly,

> > > > > > oh

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > god,

> > > > > > > > > > > > I'm getting my period, I have to go the

> bathroom,

> > > > > sorry!

> > > > > > > And

> > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > their bathroom and swish ozone water all

over

> my

> > > > mouth

> > > > > > lol,

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > > > go back.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

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