Re: Nelly & Faecal probiotics

[Guest guest]

>No i'm not activly doing anything towards fecal probiotics .For a start I dont think the captuals will be >effective ...I think maybe live cultures are the way to go .....

>Processing the bacteria making it into a capsule form will almost certainly compromise that coat ..

,

So, let's sum this up: you were just telling me to follow some healthy looking human specimen and ...eat his/her poo-poo ?)) The way doggies and piggies do? )

You start, , then I'll see what I decide!!

Nelly

Resembling human faecal flora is missing the point.....If we accept that faecal transfers are effective because they carry the all important recognition protein ...that protein marks out the bacteria as self [how else can host microbes remain unmolested by the IS] Then it's essential that the protein is preserved.Processing the bacteria making it into a capsule form will almost certainly compromise that coat ...As FP do multiply in the gut can we then assume the recognition protein is imparted to the multiplying microbes.

I was hoping to get a doctor interested , get some testing underway , but as yet no success ..

[Guest guest]

Actually Nelly I don't think I told you to do anything..I just put the information to the team for discussion ..Your emotive assessment & sarcasm is unhelpful..I'm surprised ...It's clear your bankrupt in answers to your considerable health problems .. Give me credible arguments that question the therapy ..don't tell me that poo-poo is horrible ..

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of Nelly PointisSent: 29 September 2005 23:23infections Subject: Re: [infections] Nelly & Faecal probiotics

>No i'm not activly doing anything towards fecal probiotics .For a start I dont think the captuals will be >effective ...I think maybe live cultures are the way to go .....

>Processing the bacteria making it into a capsule form will almost certainly compromise that coat ..

,

So, let's sum this up: you were just telling me to follow some healthy looking human specimen and ...eat his/her poo-poo ?)) The way doggies and piggies do? )

You start, , then I'll see what I decide!!

Nelly

Resembling human faecal flora is missing the point.....If we accept that faecal transfers are effective because they carry the all important recognition protein ...that protein marks out the bacteria as self [how else can host microbes remain unmolested by the IS] Then it's essential that the protein is preserved.Processing the bacteria making it into a capsule form will almost certainly compromise that coat ...As FP do multiply in the gut can we then assume the recognition protein is imparted to the multiplying microbes.

I was hoping to get a doctor interested , get some testing underway , but as yet no success ..

[Guest guest]

,

I have no objective objections to that fecal therapy, apart from the obvious ones that I'd want to be sure not to give myself something worse than what I already have (I would feel the same about a blood transfusion, I don't even want to do IV Immunoglobulin for the same reasons) The rest, is just making light of things, not trying to be helpful, sorry.

Other point, just like it is not possible for me in the real world to just waltz into my doctor's sugery and demand to have this or that done, even less so at the pathology lab, I don't think that fecal therapy is available outside of some research circles (ironic that it may be to me that it should be Tom Borody that seems so keen on it these days-in fact I did a medline search on him and I see that I must've seen him just a couple of years too early, as he got interested in the occult infectious nature of things just a few years after I was seeing him )

Thanks for your thoughts and ideas, even if you don't like my "emotive ways".

Nelly

RE: [infections] Nelly & Faecal probiotics

Actually Nelly I don't think I told you to do anything..I just put the information to the team for discussion ..Your emotive assessment & sarcasm is unhelpful..I'm surprised ...It's clear your bankrupt in answers to your considerable health problems .. Give me credible arguments that question the therapy ..don't tell me that poo-poo is horrible ..

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of Nelly PointisSent: 29 September 2005 23:23infections Subject: Re: [infections] Nelly & Faecal probiotics

>No i'm not activly doing anything towards fecal probiotics .For a start I dont think the captuals will be >effective ...I think maybe live cultures are the way to go .....

>Processing the bacteria making it into a capsule form will almost certainly compromise that coat ..

,

So, let's sum this up: you were just telling me to follow some healthy looking human specimen and ...eat his/her poo-poo ?)) The way doggies and piggies do? )

You start, , then I'll see what I decide!!

Nelly

Resembling human faecal flora is missing the point.....If we accept that faecal transfers are effective because they carry the all important recognition protein ...that protein marks out the bacteria as self [how else can host microbes remain unmolested by the IS] Then it's essential that the protein is preserved.Processing the bacteria making it into a capsule form will almost certainly compromise that coat ...As FP do multiply in the gut can we then assume the recognition protein is imparted to the multiplying microbes.

I was hoping to get a doctor interested , get some testing underway , but as yet no success ..

[Guest guest]

, is it really warranted to say to someone who has suffered as

much as Nelly and tried as hard to regain her health that " it's clear

your bankrupt in answers to your considerable health problems. " That

kind of mean-ness is uncalled for to anybody who is suffering, and

still making valiant efforts to research and learn and get better,

and just because people on this list are not leaping to try fecal

implantation is not necessarily a bad thing. It might not make any

difference and for all you know it could be harmful. Questions have

been raised about sbo's for instance, and whether or not they help

some and harm others. ANd you're not even trying this yourself so why

are you so gung ho on it?

> Actually Nelly I don't think I told you to do anything..I just put

the

> information to the team for discussion ..Your emotive assessment &

sarcasm

> is unhelpful..I'm surprised ...It's clear your bankrupt in answers

to your

> considerable health problems .. Give me credible arguments that

question

> the therapy ..don't tell me that poo-poo is horrible ..

> Re: [infections] Nelly & Faecal probiotics

>

>

> >No i'm not activly doing anything towards fecal probiotics .For

a start I

> dont think the captuals will be >effective ...I think maybe live

cultures

> are the way to go .....

>

> >Processing the bacteria making it into a capsule form will almost

> certainly compromise that coat ..

>

> ,

>

> So, let's sum this up: you were just telling me to follow some

healthy

> looking human specimen and ...eat his/her poo-poo ?)) The way

doggies and

> piggies do? )

>

> You start, , then I'll see what I decide!!

>

> Nelly

>

>

>

>

> Resembling human faecal flora is missing the point.....If we

accept that

> faecal transfers are effective because they carry the all important

> recognition protein ...that protein marks out the bacteria as self

[how else

> can host microbes remain unmolested by the IS] Then it's essential

that the

> protein is preserved.Processing the bacteria making it into a

capsule form

> will almost certainly compromise that coat ...As FP do multiply in

the gut

> can we then assume the recognition protein is imparted to the

multiplying

> microbes.

> I was hoping to get a doctor interested , get some testing

underway ,

> but as yet no success ..

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jill

I was just getting over learning about golden showers and has

hit us with this fecal thing. Actually I do remember an incident at

a factory I visited wherby one worker had a fetish for this eating

stools thing, one of the fellow workers gave him a brown paper bag

lunch still steaming.YUKKKK...

> > Actually Nelly I don't think I told you to do anything..I just

put

> the

> > information to the team for discussion ..Your emotive assessment

&

> sarcasm

> > is unhelpful..I'm surprised ...It's clear your bankrupt in

answers

> to your

> > considerable health problems .. Give me credible arguments that

> question

> > the therapy ..don't tell me that poo-poo is horrible ..

> > Re: [infections] Nelly & Faecal

probiotics

> >

> >

> > >No i'm not activly doing anything towards fecal

probiotics .For

> a start I

> > dont think the captuals will be >effective ...I think maybe live

> cultures

> > are the way to go .....

> >

> > >Processing the bacteria making it into a capsule form will

almost

> > certainly compromise that coat ..

> >

> > ,

> >

> > So, let's sum this up: you were just telling me to follow some

> healthy

> > looking human specimen and ...eat his/her poo-poo ?)) The way

> doggies and

> > piggies do? )

> >

> > You start, , then I'll see what I decide!!

> >

> > Nelly

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Resembling human faecal flora is missing the point.....If we

> accept that

> > faecal transfers are effective because they carry the all

important

> > recognition protein ...that protein marks out the bacteria as

self

> [how else

> > can host microbes remain unmolested by the IS] Then it's

essential

> that the

> > protein is preserved.Processing the bacteria making it into a

> capsule form

> > will almost certainly compromise that coat ...As FP do multiply

in

> the gut

> > can we then assume the recognition protein is imparted to the

> multiplying

> > microbes.

> > I was hoping to get a doctor interested , get some testing

> underway ,

> > but as yet no success ..

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

You're tuffer than that . Us American gals, we can't handle it.

> > > Actually Nelly I don't think I told you to do anything..I just

> put

> > the

> > > information to the team for discussion ..Your emotive

assessment

> &

> > sarcasm

> > > is unhelpful..I'm surprised ...It's clear your bankrupt in

> answers

> > to your

> > > considerable health problems .. Give me credible arguments

that

> > question

> > > the therapy ..don't tell me that poo-poo is horrible ..

> > > Re: [infections] Nelly & Faecal

> probiotics

> > >

> > >

> > > >No i'm not activly doing anything towards fecal

> probiotics .For

> > a start I

> > > dont think the captuals will be >effective ...I think maybe

live

> > cultures

> > > are the way to go .....

> > >

> > > >Processing the bacteria making it into a capsule form will

> almost

> > > certainly compromise that coat ..

> > >

> > > ,

> > >

> > > So, let's sum this up: you were just telling me to follow

some

> > healthy

> > > looking human specimen and ...eat his/her poo-poo ?)) The way

> > doggies and

> > > piggies do? )

> > >

> > > You start, , then I'll see what I decide!!

> > >

> > > Nelly

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Resembling human faecal flora is missing the point.....If we

> > accept that

> > > faecal transfers are effective because they carry the all

> important

> > > recognition protein ...that protein marks out the bacteria as

> self

> > [how else

> > > can host microbes remain unmolested by the IS] Then it's

> essential

> > that the

> > > protein is preserved.Processing the bacteria making it into a

> > capsule form

> > > will almost certainly compromise that coat ...As FP do multiply

> in

> > the gut

> > > can we then assume the recognition protein is imparted to the

> > multiplying

> > > microbes.

> > > I was hoping to get a doctor interested , get some testing

> > underway ,

> > > but as yet no success ..

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Nelly , see the post to Jill above. I hope you didn't think people actually eat stools !! the faecal material is introduced via the rectum through tubes that's in Australia Tube down the gullet post stomach in the states ...many people are actually treating themselves with considerable success ...Anyway I can see your a bit leery about the subject so... Glad to see your not offended , after all you are an Australian so why should you be [little joke ] ..

[

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of Nelly PointisSent: 30 September 2005 12:08infections Subject: Re: [infections] Nelly & Faecal probiotics

,

I have no objective objections to that fecal therapy, apart from the obvious ones that I'd want to be sure not to give myself something worse than what I already have (I would feel the same about a blood transfusion, I don't even want to do IV Immunoglobulin for the same reasons) The rest, is just making light of things, not trying to be helpful, sorry.

Other point, just like it is not possible for me in the real world to just waltz into my doctor's sugery and demand to have this or that done, even less so at the pathology lab, I don't think that fecal therapy is available outside of some research circles (ironic that it may be to me that it should be Tom Borody that seems so keen on it these days-in fact I did a medline search on him and I see that I must've seen him just a couple of years too early, as he got interested in the occult infectious nature of things just a few years after I was seeing him )

Thanks for your thoughts and ideas, even if you don't like my "emotive ways".

Nelly

RE: [infections] Nelly & Faecal probiotics

Actually Nelly I don't think I told you to do anything..I just put the information to the team for discussion ..Your emotive assessment & sarcasm is unhelpful..I'm surprised ...It's clear your bankrupt in answers to your considerable health problems .. Give me credible arguments that question the therapy ..don't tell me that poo-poo is horrible ..

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of Nelly PointisSent: 29 September 2005 23:23infections Subject: Re: [infections] Nelly & Faecal probiotics

>No i'm not activly doing anything towards fecal probiotics .For a start I dont think the captuals will be >effective ...I think maybe live cultures are the way to go .....

>Processing the bacteria making it into a capsule form will almost certainly compromise that coat ..

,

So, let's sum this up: you were just telling me to follow some healthy looking human specimen and ...eat his/her poo-poo ?)) The way doggies and piggies do? )

You start, , then I'll see what I decide!!

Nelly

Resembling human faecal flora is missing the point.....If we accept that faecal transfers are effective because they carry the all important recognition protein ...that protein marks out the bacteria as self [how else can host microbes remain unmolested by the IS] Then it's essential that the protein is preserved.Processing the bacteria making it into a capsule form will almost certainly compromise that coat ...As FP do multiply in the gut can we then assume the recognition protein is imparted to the multiplying microbes.

I was hoping to get a doctor interested , get some testing underway , but as yet no success ..

[Guest guest]

It's very easy to get good fecal bacteria and place them in a

capsule.If you like I can send you some. It just takes looking for

someone producing healthy looking logs and someone showing glowing

signs of health for this pursuit to start.

But the experts on bad flora feel strongly that it replaces very

quickly and without any effort in the recovering people with enteric

disaeses.My other concern is the tough guys that made our bowel

there home really aren't being outgunned by good flora there is some

benefit to feeding the fresh food to the good bacteria before the

bad bacteria get at it.but this is sort of iffy as far as long term

goes.

tony

> > Actually Nelly I don't think I told you to do anything..I just

put

> the

> > information to the team for discussion ..Your emotive

assessment &

> sarcasm

> > is unhelpful..I'm surprised ...It's clear your bankrupt in

answers

> to your

> > considerable health problems .. Give me credible arguments that

> question

> > the therapy ..don't tell me that poo-poo is horrible ..

> > Re: [infections] Nelly & Faecal

probiotics

> >

> >

> > >No i'm not activly doing anything towards fecal

probiotics .For

> a start I

> > dont think the captuals will be >effective ...I think maybe

live

> cultures

> > are the way to go .....

> >

> > >Processing the bacteria making it into a capsule form will

almost

> > certainly compromise that coat ..

> >

> > ,

> >

> > So, let's sum this up: you were just telling me to follow

some

> healthy

> > looking human specimen and ...eat his/her poo-poo ?)) The way

> doggies and

> > piggies do? )

> >

> > You start, , then I'll see what I decide!!

> >

> > Nelly

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Resembling human faecal flora is missing the point.....If we

> accept that

> > faecal transfers are effective because they carry the all

important

> > recognition protein ...that protein marks out the bacteria as

self

> [how else

> > can host microbes remain unmolested by the IS] Then it's

essential

> that the

> > protein is preserved.Processing the bacteria making it into a

> capsule form

> > will almost certainly compromise that coat ...As FP do

multiply in

> the gut

> > can we then assume the recognition protein is imparted to the

> multiplying

> > microbes.

> > I was hoping to get a doctor interested , get some testing

> underway ,

> > but as yet no success ..

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

You don't even see your own hostility?

Do you mind refraining from telling any ill person they

are " bankrupt " ? That is nasty and its sad that you don't see it.

> > Actually Nelly I don't think I told you to do anything..I just

put

> the

> > information to the team for discussion ..Your emotive

assessment &

> sarcasm

> > is unhelpful..I'm surprised ...It's clear your bankrupt in

answers

> to your

> > considerable health problems .. Give me credible arguments that

> question

> > the therapy ..don't tell me that poo-poo is horrible ..

> > Re: [infections] Nelly & Faecal

probiotics

> >

> >

> > >No i'm not activly doing anything towards fecal

probiotics .For

> a start I

> > dont think the captuals will be >effective ...I think maybe live

> cultures

> > are the way to go .....

> >

> > >Processing the bacteria making it into a capsule form will

almost

> > certainly compromise that coat ..

> >

> > ,

> >

> > So, let's sum this up: you were just telling me to follow some

> healthy

> > looking human specimen and ...eat his/her poo-poo ?)) The way

> doggies and

> > piggies do? )

> >

> > You start, , then I'll see what I decide!!

> >

> > Nelly

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Resembling human faecal flora is missing the point.....If we

> accept that

> > faecal transfers are effective because they carry the all

important

> > recognition protein ...that protein marks out the bacteria as

self

> [how else

> > can host microbes remain unmolested by the IS] Then it's

essential

> that the

> > protein is preserved.Processing the bacteria making it into a

> capsule form

> > will almost certainly compromise that coat ...As FP do multiply

in

> the gut

> > can we then assume the recognition protein is imparted to the

> multiplying

> > microbes.

> > I was hoping to get a doctor interested , get some testing

> underway ,

> > but as yet no success ..

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Nelly, I have some cool articles and had a few emails with an

Australian doc who obtained allitridi, which Dr Zhang here used to

import in vials and mark up to obscene prices, anyway, it has been

used for fungus. I'm going to follow up when I get a chance and I'll

let you know.

Also, something that has been helping me and I suggest even tho

expensive is Natcell/Biotech-Atrium's frozen thymic peptides. You can

even take one a week so that $120 box would last you 2 months. It

will help combat the fungus.

> > > Actually Nelly I don't think I told you to do anything..I

just

> put

> > the

> > > information to the team for discussion ..Your emotive

> assessment &

> > sarcasm

> > > is unhelpful..I'm surprised ...It's clear your bankrupt in

> answers

> > to your

> > > considerable health problems .. Give me credible arguments

that

> > question

> > > the therapy ..don't tell me that poo-poo is horrible ..

> > > Re: [infections] Nelly & Faecal

> probiotics

> > >

> > >

> > > >No i'm not activly doing anything towards fecal

> probiotics .For

> > a start I

> > > dont think the captuals will be >effective ...I think maybe

live

> > cultures

> > > are the way to go .....

> > >

> > > >Processing the bacteria making it into a capsule form

will

> almost

> > > certainly compromise that coat ..

> > >

> > > ,

> > >

> > > So, let's sum this up: you were just telling me to follow

some

> > healthy

> > > looking human specimen and ...eat his/her poo-poo ?)) The

way

> > doggies and

> > > piggies do? )

> > >

> > > You start, , then I'll see what I decide!!

> > >

> > > Nelly

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Resembling human faecal flora is missing the

point.....If we

> > accept that

> > > faecal transfers are effective because they carry the all

> important

> > > recognition protein ...that protein marks out the bacteria

as

> self

> > [how else

> > > can host microbes remain unmolested by the IS] Then it's

> essential

> > that the

> > > protein is preserved.Processing the bacteria making it into

a

> > capsule form

> > > will almost certainly compromise that coat ...As FP do

multiply

> in

> > the gut

> > > can we then assume the recognition protein is imparted to

the

> > multiplying

> > > microbes.

> > > I was hoping to get a doctor interested , get some

testing

> > underway ,

> > > but as yet no success ..

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Jill:

I think you're the one that needs to step back and take a deep

breath.

You were figgin this and friggin that a few days ago, and now you're

hung up on s language to Nelly...

You may be stressed more than you realize -

You and I have had " internet words " over this type of thing before

and I'm pretty sure this post will anger you (so sorry ahead of

time). But I read s posts, and I just don't take them the way you

are...

This list has dwindled in the past few months, and there are only a

handfull of people posting now ..I'd had to see this list just wilt

and fade away, but it seems to be headed that way.

Barb

> > > Actually Nelly I don't think I told you to do anything..I

just

> put

> > the

> > > information to the team for discussion ..Your emotive

> assessment &

> > sarcasm

> > > is unhelpful..I'm surprised ...It's clear your bankrupt in

> answers

> > to your

> > > considerable health problems .. Give me credible arguments

that

> > question

> > > the therapy ..don't tell me that poo-poo is horrible ..

> > > Re: [infections] Nelly & Faecal

> probiotics

> > >

> > >

> > > >No i'm not activly doing anything towards fecal

> probiotics .For

> > a start I

> > > dont think the captuals will be >effective ...I think maybe

live

> > cultures

> > > are the way to go .....

> > >

> > > >Processing the bacteria making it into a capsule form will

> almost

> > > certainly compromise that coat ..

> > >

> > > ,

> > >

> > > So, let's sum this up: you were just telling me to follow

some

> > healthy

> > > looking human specimen and ...eat his/her poo-poo ?)) The

way

> > doggies and

> > > piggies do? )

> > >

> > > You start, , then I'll see what I decide!!

> > >

> > > Nelly

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Resembling human faecal flora is missing the point.....If

we

> > accept that

> > > faecal transfers are effective because they carry the all

> important

> > > recognition protein ...that protein marks out the bacteria as

> self

> > [how else

> > > can host microbes remain unmolested by the IS] Then it's

> essential

> > that the

> > > protein is preserved.Processing the bacteria making it into a

> > capsule form

> > > will almost certainly compromise that coat ...As FP do

multiply

> in

> > the gut

> > > can we then assume the recognition protein is imparted to the

> > multiplying

> > > microbes.

> > > I was hoping to get a doctor interested , get some testing

> > underway ,

> > > but as yet no success ..

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

What is your post trying to say? That by my standing up for Nelly and

telling his language is rude, the list is whittling away, or was

this two posts rolled in one?

I don't remember us having words before, so your idea that I'd be

angry, is wrong, the only posts of yours I distinctly recall are ones

where you posted on your abx protocol, as those ones I saved.

I stand by my words. There is no reason to tell any person they are

bankrupt and out of choices.

-- In infections , " Barb Peck "

<egroups1bp@y...> wrote:

> Jill:

> I think you're the one that needs to step back and take a deep

> breath.

>

> You were figgin this and friggin that a few days ago, and now

you're

> hung up on s language to Nelly...

>

> You may be stressed more than you realize -

>

> You and I have had " internet words " over this type of thing before

> and I'm pretty sure this post will anger you (so sorry ahead of

> time). But I read s posts, and I just don't take them the way

you

> are...

>

> This list has dwindled in the past few months, and there are only

a

> handfull of people posting now ..I'd had to see this list just wilt

> and fade away, but it seems to be headed that way.

>

> Barb

>

>

>

> > > > Actually Nelly I don't think I told you to do anything..I

> just

> > put

> > > the

> > > > information to the team for discussion ..Your emotive

> > assessment &

> > > sarcasm

> > > > is unhelpful..I'm surprised ...It's clear your bankrupt in

> > answers

> > > to your

> > > > considerable health problems .. Give me credible arguments

> that

> > > question

> > > > the therapy ..don't tell me that poo-poo is horrible ..

> > > > Re: [infections] Nelly & Faecal

> > probiotics

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >No i'm not activly doing anything towards fecal

> > probiotics .For

> > > a start I

> > > > dont think the captuals will be >effective ...I think maybe

> live

> > > cultures

> > > > are the way to go .....

> > > >

> > > > >Processing the bacteria making it into a capsule form

will

> > almost

> > > > certainly compromise that coat ..

> > > >

> > > > ,

> > > >

> > > > So, let's sum this up: you were just telling me to follow

> some

> > > healthy

> > > > looking human specimen and ...eat his/her poo-poo ?)) The

> way

> > > doggies and

> > > > piggies do? )

> > > >

> > > > You start, , then I'll see what I decide!!

> > > >

> > > > Nelly

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Resembling human faecal flora is missing the

point.....If

> we

> > > accept that

> > > > faecal transfers are effective because they carry the all

> > important

> > > > recognition protein ...that protein marks out the bacteria

as

> > self

> > > [how else

> > > > can host microbes remain unmolested by the IS] Then it's

> > essential

> > > that the

> > > > protein is preserved.Processing the bacteria making it into

a

> > > capsule form

> > > > will almost certainly compromise that coat ...As FP do

> multiply

> > in

> > > the gut

> > > > can we then assume the recognition protein is imparted to

the

> > > multiplying

> > > > microbes.

> > > > I was hoping to get a doctor interested , get some

testing

> > > underway ,

> > > > but as yet no success ..

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >