Re: Answer to Tony- Answer for Jill-Bbesia smear

[Guest guest]

Tony, like many on this group, I have had several products tried on me. I couldn't handle the Mephron as I have major Hepatic (Liver) and Kidney issues. I tried Artemessia and had my RBC's' spiral downward. I'm on Plaquenil, Doxy an One Biaxin XL daily along with a good grade of Beta Glucan High Potency (1000 mg daily from Transfer Point which helps with the Coag. Neg. Staff. I'm a slow detoxifer, due to Multiple chemicals exposure and the fact I'm not of one of the better Geno types for ridding myself of the toxic load. Wish I had better answers as I, also am still searching for answers. I miss not having my microscope. I was very good at finding Malaria and knowing exactly what type it was but due to Multiple TBI's I haven't been able to work for 11 years. Carol

In a message dated 9/29/05 12:35:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dumbaussie2000@... writes:

Prof CarolMaybe you can give us a tip on how best to treat?tony> > My HMO doctor called me today and was actually very nice. He's > only at > > this clinic twice a week, so...he spent a while talking to the > head > > pathologist, who I guess now is interested in my case, and she had > > found no babesia on the smear. Now I'm sure she looked carefully > so > > even if one or two had shown up. But she suggested another smear > to be > > sure and he said, Why don't you come in on a day you feel really > > lousy, as there may be variations in parasite load (this indicates > to > > me he actually doesn't think I'm winge-ing.) Anyway, Tony, I was > > wondering, maybe I could ask her to look for holly jollies or > whatever > > those things are...is there anything else I can ask her to look > for in > > my thick and thin smear? As long as they're sort of on my side > now. I > > told him, Thank you for going the extra mile.> > > > TIA...I *am* going to wait until a day I feel like total shit and > go > > up there as the requisition is waiting, so I don't have to make an > > appt.> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Carol

I think that I try and embark on treatments using 'some science,'

and anything else in such tough environments with chronic conditions

is USELESS.I basically haven't heard a good babesia story on any

forums..Some of the challenge's facing non lymies is coag neg staph,

pseudonomads aueriganosa, and vancomycin resistant enterococcus not

to mention a touch of staph areus to boot.And this mix will not go

down to just willy nilly pill abx, it will alway's spring it's ugly

head after a short remission of sorts.I personally think the

arsenical treatment for a guarantee'd case of babesia may be the one

to get the job done.Trisenox is available in the US- it's also been

used very poorly on cfs patients in arizona (very small doses),

possably only made therapy resistant.Can you use a blood agar to

grow your babesia and test it's resistance values.

tony

> > > My HMO doctor called me today and was actually very nice. He's

> > only at

> > > this clinic twice a week, so...he spent a while talking to the

> > head

> > > pathologist, who I guess now is interested in my case, and she

> had

> > > found no babesia on the smear. Now I'm sure she looked

carefully

> > so

> > > even if one or two had shown up. But she suggested another

smear

> > to be

> > > sure and he said, Why don't you come in on a day you feel

really

> > > lousy, as there may be variations in parasite load (this

> indicates

> > to

> > > me he actually doesn't think I'm winge-ing.) Anyway, Tony, I

was

> > > wondering, maybe I could ask her to look for holly jollies or

> > whatever

> > > those things are...is there anything else I can ask her to

look

> > for in

> > > my thick and thin smear? As long as they're sort of on my side

> > now. I

> > > told him, Thank you for going the extra mile.

> > >

> > > TIA...I *am* going to wait until a day I feel like total shit

> and

> > go

> > > up there as the requisition is waiting, so I don't have to

make

> an

> > > appt.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Tony, everything I read in the vetmed and pubmed literature said to

me that babesia is persistent--that no drug treatment they have

studied gets rid of it. Its really just that the drug helps the

patient's immune system get hold of it. You can recrudesce. We've

discussed that on here I think and Nelly posted some stuff. That's

another reason I am hesitating and getting a second smear. Why do you

think arsenic would work?

Also in terms of my teeth I got a second opinion today and she didn't

even want to do a crown, as the decay is below the gumline. I'm

trying to figure out what I think about this and all my research

indicates it a sooner or later kind of thing, if I " m lucky enough to

escape with a porcelain crown right now I've likely damaged the root

and thus the nerve by drilling it, and it might go sooner or later,

and then I would pull it because I think root canals are dangerous.

Its less worrisome than lyme disease but I have to say dentistry is

an industry here and they began all these problems as I've said

before by performing oral surgery to remove baby teeth fragmetns so

they could give me braces, then of course I ate a ton of sugar like

kids of my age, and didn't brush very carefully, braces removed, lots

of cavities filled with metal. And thus it all begins and over time,

fillings lead to more decay adn bigger fillings until you get into

this situation now. And i was thinking, the way that cloning and stem

cell technology is going I don't see why they can't pull your tooth

and put some stem cells in there and you'd grow a new tooth. I bet

they could do that and someday sooner or later you will.

> > > > My HMO doctor called me today and was actually very nice.

He's

> > > only at

> > > > this clinic twice a week, so...he spent a while talking to

the

> > > head

> > > > pathologist, who I guess now is interested in my case, and

she

> > had

> > > > found no babesia on the smear. Now I'm sure she looked

> carefully

> > > so

> > > > even if one or two had shown up. But she suggested another

> smear

> > > to be

> > > > sure and he said, Why don't you come in on a day you feel

> really

> > > > lousy, as there may be variations in parasite load (this

> > indicates

> > > to

> > > > me he actually doesn't think I'm winge-ing.) Anyway, Tony, I

> was

> > > > wondering, maybe I could ask her to look for holly jollies or

> > > whatever

> > > > those things are...is there anything else I can ask her to

> look

> > > for in

> > > > my thick and thin smear? As long as they're sort of on my

side

> > > now. I

> > > > told him, Thank you for going the extra mile.

> > > >

> > > > TIA...I *am* going to wait until a day I feel like total shit

> > and

> > > go

> > > > up there as the requisition is waiting, so I don't have to

> make

> > an

> > > > appt.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Jill

The idea of a diagnosis and treatment is to get all your ducs in a

row.When you tell me you've got decay below the gum line and the

amount of dental trauma's you've added, this whole post is so

percentaged toward real infections - it's scary.

If you took a tooth and worked out what is taking it, out would you

not think this to be a player in your diaese process.I would at

least want a heads up on what my treatment strategy is going to

look like.If you studied walter's tarello's work with animals and he

gets them up and running with arsenicals to fix there micrococci and

co infections you'd have to rate his as getting the job done on

babesia or it becomes irrelevant when a major player is taken down.

Anyways for me your best bet is to find out if you have a beta

haemolytic/coag neg staph.Your a long time sick trying to attempt

babesia treatment with this guy in the frontline of destroying you.

> > > > > My HMO doctor called me today and was actually very nice.

> He's

> > > > only at

> > > > > this clinic twice a week, so...he spent a while talking to

> the

> > > > head

> > > > > pathologist, who I guess now is interested in my case, and

> she

> > > had

> > > > > found no babesia on the smear. Now I'm sure she looked

> > carefully

> > > > so

> > > > > even if one or two had shown up. But she suggested another

> > smear

> > > > to be

> > > > > sure and he said, Why don't you come in on a day you feel

> > really

> > > > > lousy, as there may be variations in parasite load (this

> > > indicates

> > > > to

> > > > > me he actually doesn't think I'm winge-ing.) Anyway, Tony,

I

> > was

> > > > > wondering, maybe I could ask her to look for holly jollies

or

> > > > whatever

> > > > > those things are...is there anything else I can ask her to

> > look

> > > > for in

> > > > > my thick and thin smear? As long as they're sort of on my

> side

> > > > now. I

> > > > > told him, Thank you for going the extra mile.

> > > > >

> > > > > TIA...I *am* going to wait until a day I feel like total

shit

> > > and

> > > > go

> > > > > up there as the requisition is waiting, so I don't have to

> > make

> > > an

> > > > > appt.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I know Tony, I'm not happy about the tooth. Altho in this case the

problem was created by a bad filling 4 years ago where she left space

btw the teeth and food started getting stuck there every time I ate,

including below the gumline. I should've had an onlay made back then

but I didn't.

But how do I test for coag-neg staph? I'm more than willing to do it.

And I got really sick with the tickbite, and I don't think ticks have

staph. I'll go read more Tarello--I wrote him a month ago but no

answer.

> > > > > > My HMO doctor called me today and was actually very nice.

> > He's

> > > > > only at

> > > > > > this clinic twice a week, so...he spent a while talking

to

> > the

> > > > > head

> > > > > > pathologist, who I guess now is interested in my case,

and

> > she

> > > > had

> > > > > > found no babesia on the smear. Now I'm sure she looked

> > > carefully

> > > > > so

> > > > > > even if one or two had shown up. But she suggested

another

> > > smear

> > > > > to be

> > > > > > sure and he said, Why don't you come in on a day you feel

> > > really

> > > > > > lousy, as there may be variations in parasite load (this

> > > > indicates

> > > > > to

> > > > > > me he actually doesn't think I'm winge-ing.) Anyway,

Tony,

> I

> > > was

> > > > > > wondering, maybe I could ask her to look for holly

jollies

> or

> > > > > whatever

> > > > > > those things are...is there anything else I can ask her

to

> > > look

> > > > > for in

> > > > > > my thick and thin smear? As long as they're sort of on my

> > side

> > > > > now. I

> > > > > > told him, Thank you for going the extra mile.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > TIA...I *am* going to wait until a day I feel like total

> shit

> > > > and

> > > > > go

> > > > > > up there as the requisition is waiting, so I don't have

to

> > > make

> > > > an

> > > > > > appt.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Jill

You really bring back a supermarket experience. The cashier one day

had her carpel tunnel/wrists strapped, looking closley I noticed she

had inflammed acne but no real pimples, just this staph epi

inflammation (I recognise) in many pores over her face.Anyway I

asked her and to her surprise she just couldn't believe I knew so

many of her problems, anyway's I noticed her teeth looked great but

I sort of associate many problems with the mouth, so on a subsequent

visit I asked for a closer look and there they were- all the back

molars rotting below the gumline.This is THE TOTAL LOCK STOCK AND 2

SMOKING BARRELS FULL BLOWN ILNESS JILL.At this point this girl has

just had an arthritis diagnosis and she is barely 20. Hates having

her shoulder's touched is just sensitive all over her body and can

barely work a couple of times a week.possably a victim of pill

antibiotics IMO...She just had her gut screwed with a course of

antibiotics in her earlier years and while knowing her she was

alway's telling me of her prescriptions and her doctor seemed to be

fighting something with many single antibiotic's on a regular

basis.There is so many simple ways of turning ill it doesn't require

anything out of the ordinary. Actually another program on medical

disasters was an eye opener, someone getting an ear pierced

developed an infection that just wasn't responding to the doctors

pathetic attempts. After a culture due to frustrating failure of

therapy the doctor grows pseudonomads, starts IV antibiotics,

resolves the infection yet the cartlidge is damaged and the ear

needed plastic surgery to mak4e the girl not feel like a freak,

because of her ear hanging down.The next case involved breast

implants and this MRSA infection that looked disastrous yet mind you

the infection is still being battled many years later.(unresolved)

Jill I don't want to change your opinions about your tick bites and

tick borne ilness you just have to establish the following I

strongly believe as a priority----

coag neg staph-highly resistant/beta haemolytic

streptococcus-possably alpha haemolytic-a co infector

VRE vanco resistant enterococcus- there's something bad about this

bug when it becomes vanco resistant.It's causing many health

problems all over the world.

pseudonomads aueriganosa-generally highly resistant and possably

grows up to be a bigger infection when antibiotics are used for

other treatments.I sort of think a refocus of your efforts over the

next several months towards some of these is very important as well

as what you have embarked.

I think I come to this conclusion because regardless of what you try

and many before you have tried, the therapy for babesia has never

had any rewards for anyone over many years of reading forums.Sorry

to redirect some of your focus, but not believing the real bugs in

your mouth taking out the teeth and FOR SURE BONE below the surface

are a problem, is setting you up for a lifetime of chasing your tail.

tony

> > > > > > > My HMO doctor called me today and was actually very

nice.

> > > He's

> > > > > > only at

> > > > > > > this clinic twice a week, so...he spent a while

talking

> to

> > > the

> > > > > > head

> > > > > > > pathologist, who I guess now is interested in my case,

> and

> > > she

> > > > > had

> > > > > > > found no babesia on the smear. Now I'm sure she looked

> > > > carefully

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > even if one or two had shown up. But she suggested

> another

> > > > smear

> > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > sure and he said, Why don't you come in on a day you

feel

> > > > really

> > > > > > > lousy, as there may be variations in parasite load

(this

> > > > > indicates

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > me he actually doesn't think I'm winge-ing.) Anyway,

> Tony,

> > I

> > > > was

> > > > > > > wondering, maybe I could ask her to look for holly

> jollies

> > or

> > > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > those things are...is there anything else I can ask

her

> to

> > > > look

> > > > > > for in

> > > > > > > my thick and thin smear? As long as they're sort of on

my

> > > side

> > > > > > now. I

> > > > > > > told him, Thank you for going the extra mile.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > TIA...I *am* going to wait until a day I feel like

total

> > shit

> > > > > and

> > > > > > go

> > > > > > > up there as the requisition is waiting, so I don't

have

> to

> > > > make

> > > > > an

> > > > > > > appt.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Tony, I don't mind checking for those organisms if I can get it

done. It may not be easy, but I can try.

I put a call into the dentist. I don't know what I want to do. This

is the fruit of western lifestyle medicine--growing up on white bread

and iceberg lettuce, Coca Cola, braces, amalgam fillings (which alone

changed the pH in my mouth and the charge--), which I had all

replaced with composite in my 20's, which of course was good in one

way but made all the fillings bigger, etc etc...so by this time, how

do I expect these fillings not to get decay where they connect with

the tooth as they probably expand or whatever. I don't know.

The Tarello work I looked over again last night but he does say in

the cats, to rule out tickborne diseases as a cause, and mentions

them by name. I agree with most of what you say except in my case, I

have to find an alternate way to kill the bugs than tons of

antibiotics, and secondly, whatever is in ticks these days is bad

schitt. I'm not keen on arsenic, so...Perhaps whats in these ticks

its bioweaponized lyme or bioweaponized babesia and bartonella,

perhaps its that they are a soup of bugs and overwhelm your system,

perhaps there's something else we don't know about. I tend to favor

bioweaponized, knowing what they did with anthrax and brucella, and

knowing how sick people are. Not to say you can't get sick from bad

toothwork too.

[Guest guest]

P.S. Tony I should add that I am half tempted to just let the tooth

be, and pull it when it eventually hurts. I don't do root canals. I've

already had 3 teeth in back upper pulled--it began with one bad tooth,

then another, and then the wisdom. The other wisdom teeth are still

intact. I suspect too that frequent novocaine injections over the

years since teenage years, in back where the wisdom teeth are, also

damages teh bone and introduces bacteria. Just my suspicion.

[Guest guest]

Jill

Ilnesses are waiting to happen in many. The MRSA infection lanelle

ended up with was alway's brewhaharing in her nose, all it takes is

surgery, a gash, possably a tick sitting on a site for a while,

injection for dental procedure, anything that ruins the natural

flows of the body is enough to set it off.Personally the fact that

you bought the amalgam story, on it's own is enough to make you

sick. Many smarter people that don't believe in conspriacy theories

realise the procedures to remove amalgams has made them sick.You

surely don't benefit from the extra injections and the weaker

materials although the original clean up may have been great due to

the fixing of leaking feeling'sIMO.And the mercury things is sooooo

long shot I would love the myth busters to take it on and put it to

bed to stop the nonsense. You can be right about the electric

feeling these things set off- but it's more likely from the toxins

which are like acids and remember car batteries are acid and

lead.Also the acid in car batteries is a bacterial

process ...remember moss doesn't grow on a rolling stone so keep

everything flowing smoothly and freely around your body and you'll

fare better.

tony

> Hi Tony, I don't mind checking for those organisms if I can get it

> done. It may not be easy, but I can try.

>

> I put a call into the dentist. I don't know what I want to do.

This

> is the fruit of western lifestyle medicine--growing up on white

bread

> and iceberg lettuce, Coca Cola, braces, amalgam fillings (which

alone

> changed the pH in my mouth and the charge--), which I had all

> replaced with composite in my 20's, which of course was good in

one

> way but made all the fillings bigger, etc etc...so by this time,

how

> do I expect these fillings not to get decay where they connect

with

> the tooth as they probably expand or whatever. I don't know.

>

> The Tarello work I looked over again last night but he does say in

> the cats, to rule out tickborne diseases as a cause, and mentions

> them by name. I agree with most of what you say except in my case,

I

> have to find an alternate way to kill the bugs than tons of

> antibiotics, and secondly, whatever is in ticks these days is bad

> schitt. I'm not keen on arsenic, so...Perhaps whats in these ticks

> its bioweaponized lyme or bioweaponized babesia and bartonella,

> perhaps its that they are a soup of bugs and overwhelm your

system,

> perhaps there's something else we don't know about. I tend to

favor

> bioweaponized, knowing what they did with anthrax and brucella,

and

> knowing how sick people are. Not to say you can't get sick from

bad

> toothwork too.

[Guest guest]

That's great that you see this as a real problem, unfortunately how

much bigger it is than what you think, is the real clencher IMO.All

complaints can stem from periodontal disease...Actually if you put a

bit of energy into getting some magnificent imaging of the oral

cavity may yield you some absolute mind blowing facts about your

ilness.

Jill half my head is rotten due to dentistry and the job has been a

hard one- WITHOUT OPTIONS. You can't hide behind how big the problem

is and how big and long the therpy required is going to be...

> P.S. Tony I should add that I am half tempted to just let the

tooth

> be, and pull it when it eventually hurts. I don't do root canals.

I've

> already had 3 teeth in back upper pulled--it began with one bad

tooth,

> then another, and then the wisdom. The other wisdom teeth are

still

> intact. I suspect too that frequent novocaine injections over the

> years since teenage years, in back where the wisdom teeth are,

also

> damages teh bone and introduces bacteria. Just my suspicion.

[Guest guest]

No, you are incorrect in this case about the mercury, Tony, because

10-20% of the population has poor methylation genes and if you get

your braces off and get a ton of amalgam fillings all at once you

overwhelm your body's ability to detoxify mercury and that was when I

began tos uffer, and in my 20's when I had them out my health

improved. SOre throats disappeared, swollen glands under my jaw

disappeared etc. I felt significantly better. I did it slowly over

time.

Here is an abstract posted about that on Garry GOrdon's list (a list

for pioneering doctors mostly), I won't post the whole thing. In any

case, I am glad I had the amalgams out, what I " m not glad about is

the braces, leading to the amalgams.

Believe me, there was something horrible, or a few horrible things in

that tick.

----

Metal Exposure from Amalgam Alters the Distribution of Trace

Elements in Blood Cells and Plasma

Clin Chem Lab Med 2001; 39(2):134–142 © 2001 by Walter de Gruyter ·

Berlin · New York

Ulf Lindh1,2, Björn Carlmark2, Sten-Olof Grönquist1,2and Anders

Lindvall2,3

1 Department of Oncology, Radiology and Clinical

Immunology, Uppsala University, Rudbeck Laboratory,

Uppsala, Sweden

2 Centre for Metal Biology in Uppsala, Rudbeck Laboratory,

Uppsala, Sweden

3 Department of Clinical Metal Biology, University Hospital,

Uppsala University, Uppsala, Sweden

Twenty-seven consecutive patients with health problems associated

with dental amalgam were recruited. In spite of thorough medical

examinations, there were no diagnoses available. The patient group

was dominated by women. A healthy age- and sexmatched control group

with dental amalgams without symptoms was also recruited. Metal

level monitoring in plasma and nuclear microscopy of isolated

individual blood cells were carried out. Significant increases of

copper, iron, zinc and strontium were found in patient plasma. There

was no significant difference in plasma selenium between the groups.

Mercury was significantly increased in patient plasma, although

there was overlap between the groups. In erythrocytes a significant

increase in calcium and a significant decrease in magnesium, copper,

manganese and zinc were found. Calcium, magnesium, manganese and

copper increased in patient neutrophil granulocytes. A significant

decrease was found for zinc. A conspicuous finding was the presence

of measurable mercury in a few of the cells from the patient but not

in the control group. Thus, nuclear microscopy of isolated

individual blood cells might provide a better diagnostic tool for

metal exposure than blood plasma measurements.

Key words: Amalgam; Blood cells; Metals; PIXE (particle-induced X-

ray emission); XRF (X-ray fluorescence), Metal syndrome.

Abbreviations: CRM, certified reference material; IFN-g, interferon-

g; IL, interleukin; PIXE, particle-induced Xray emission; TNF-a,

tissue necrosis factor-a; XRF, Xray fluorescence.

> > Hi Tony, I don't mind checking for those organisms if I can get

it

> > done. It may not be easy, but I can try.

> >

> > I put a call into the dentist. I don't know what I want to do.

> This

> > is the fruit of western lifestyle medicine--growing up on white

> bread

> > and iceberg lettuce, Coca Cola, braces, amalgam fillings (which

> alone

> > changed the pH in my mouth and the charge--), which I had all

> > replaced with composite in my 20's, which of course was good in

> one

> > way but made all the fillings bigger, etc etc...so by this time,

> how

> > do I expect these fillings not to get decay where they connect

> with

> > the tooth as they probably expand or whatever. I don't know.

> >

> > The Tarello work I looked over again last night but he does say

in

> > the cats, to rule out tickborne diseases as a cause, and mentions

> > them by name. I agree with most of what you say except in my

case,

> I

> > have to find an alternate way to kill the bugs than tons of

> > antibiotics, and secondly, whatever is in ticks these days is bad

> > schitt. I'm not keen on arsenic, so...Perhaps whats in these

ticks

> > its bioweaponized lyme or bioweaponized babesia and bartonella,

> > perhaps its that they are a soup of bugs and overwhelm your

> system,

> > perhaps there's something else we don't know about. I tend to

> favor

> > bioweaponized, knowing what they did with anthrax and brucella,

> and

> > knowing how sick people are. Not to say you can't get sick from

> bad

> > toothwork too.

[Guest guest]

I recall you saying you had about eight teeth pulled.

I am trying to adjust to the idea that over time I may have to have a

few more teeth pulled. And for all I know I may do a partial denture

at some point. There's simply a point where its better to get rid of

the focal infection than preserve a bit of the bone structure while

carcassing it up with stuff--porcelain, resins etc. Plus sooner or

later they will figure out how to grow us new teeth with stem cell

implants I bet.

> > P.S. Tony I should add that I am half tempted to just let the

> tooth

> > be, and pull it when it eventually hurts. I don't do root canals.

> I've

> > already had 3 teeth in back upper pulled--it began with one bad

> tooth,

> > then another, and then the wisdom. The other wisdom teeth are

> still

> > intact. I suspect too that frequent novocaine injections over the

> > years since teenage years, in back where the wisdom teeth are,

> also

> > damages teh bone and introduces bacteria. Just my suspicion.

[Guest guest]

Hi Jill,

> I think root canals are dangerous

I do, too, but which is worse--a root canal or an implant or a space

with a bridge? I don't know.

There's a related subject I've been wondering about for some time. I

have never run across a dentist or an endodontist or an oral surgeon

who uses sterile technique. Have you? Has anyone? I've asked them

about it, and they THINK that they are using sterile technique.

But in practice? I watched a surgeon who was about to remove a hunk of

tissue from the roof of my mouth and graft it to my receding gumline.

He put on a mask, a gown, set up a (presumably) sterile tray and donned

sterile gloves. Then he sat down on his stool and used his gloved hand

to grasp the seat of his stool and roll it closer to me.

I wondered how often blood from other people's mouths had ended up on

that stool and how many pathogens were now transferred to his gloved

hand and would end up in the bloody hole in the roof of my mouth.

The root canal guy did the same thing. He put on all the sterile

protection, and then proceeded to handle several pieces of equipment in

his office.

Is it that they think our mouths are already such cesspools that it

doesn't matter what they add to the mix? (Yes, I survived.)

Sue ,

Upstate New York

[Guest guest]

Boy is that a good point.

The first serious tooth problem I had was 2 weeks after a cleaning at

a " holistic dentist " using a cavitron and I always wondered what

happened there.

I certainloy wouldn't do an implant--I don't need a metal post in my

bone. That's asking for trouble.

I probably wouldn't even do a bridge as you have to ruin 2 good teeth

nearby.

I think a crown is about as far as I'm going to go before pulling a

tooth.

> Hi Jill,

>

> > I think root canals are dangerous

>

> I do, too, but which is worse--a root canal or an implant or a

space

> with a bridge? I don't know.

>

> There's a related subject I've been wondering about for some time.

I

> have never run across a dentist or an endodontist or an oral

surgeon

> who uses sterile technique. Have you? Has anyone? I've asked them

> about it, and they THINK that they are using sterile technique.

>

> But in practice? I watched a surgeon who was about to remove a

hunk of

> tissue from the roof of my mouth and graft it to my receding

gumline.

> He put on a mask, a gown, set up a (presumably) sterile tray and

donned

> sterile gloves. Then he sat down on his stool and used his gloved

hand

> to grasp the seat of his stool and roll it closer to me.

>

> I wondered how often blood from other people's mouths had ended up

on

> that stool and how many pathogens were now transferred to his

gloved

> hand and would end up in the bloody hole in the roof of my mouth.

>

> The root canal guy did the same thing. He put on all the sterile

> protection, and then proceeded to handle several pieces of

equipment in

> his office.

>

> Is it that they think our mouths are already such cesspools that it

> doesn't matter what they add to the mix? (Yes, I survived.)

>

> Sue ,

> Upstate New York