Guest guest Posted September 5, 2005 Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 : Before I was treated - I was chronically ill long enough to see several periodic flares of various intensities: * 24 hr.. mild, *weekly... a lttle more instense, * monthly.... maybe put me down for a day, *yearly... usually in the middle of winter - put me down for several days... and * every 4 or 5 years - very sick, these would results in a new disease dx. My guess is it was the response to replication (i.e. skirmishes in the body - where I was slowly losing). Barb > > > > > All sources , The more crucial core information > came > > from > > > > specialist > > > > > docs Truss, Cranton , & Crook ...but I have built a > > knowledge > > > base > > > > from > > > > > patient testimony's and looking at the overall picture > > with gut > > > > dysbiosis in > > > > > mind.....I have found nothing to lead me to think > > > otherwise ...I > > > > have > > > > > corresponded in the not too distant past with doctors > who > > > before > > > > me had no > > > > > experience with yeast & dysbiosis... they now treat > > > routinely ..I > > > > do meet > > > > > people who are obviously ill with a yeast > > infection ..Little > > > > story... > > > > > Just a few weeks ago I was telling the tale of endemic > > yeast > > > to a > > > > friend I > > > > > see at the local pub...My wife's got that, he said .So > next > > > > meeting his wife > > > > > came along with him , I gave her the full > story ....Judy > > [his > > > > wife ] took > > > > > matters into her own hands and found a lab [near > > Cambridge?] > > > took > > > > the > > > > > antibody tests, and guess what, all three came up > > positive ... > > > Off > > > > to her GP > > > > > with the advice from the lab to seek " immediate medical > > > > attention " ...Her GP > > > > > was impressed ,but wanted a few opinions on how to > > > treat ..Gave > > > > Judy a > > > > > further appointment , where treatment she understood > would > > be > > > > > instigated...But it wasn't ...Judy was practically > thrown > > out > > > of > > > > the > > > > > practice ...Yeast treatment UK style...I am now > teaching > > her > > > the > > > > arts of > > > > > self-treating ... > > > > > > > > > > I'll just take the opportunity to trot this very > telling > > > article > > > > out ...You > > > > > better believe it, as they say & thanks for the > > > extract ..what a > > > > strange > > > > > set of results ,just shows how intertwined & symbiotic > our > > gut > > > > flora is > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > Article by Dr Truss… In 1953 Dr Orian Truss discovered > the > > > > devastating > > > > > effects of antibiotics in Alabama (USA) > > > > > > > > > > Lack of energy and digestive disturbances, arthritic > joint > > > pains, > > > > skin > > > > > disease, menstrual problems, emotional instability and > > > depression. > > > > All > > > > > symptoms of what I call the 'antibiotic syndrome' which > > have > > > > greatly > > > > > increased in frequency in recent years. > > > > > > > > > > On further examination, more symptoms may be > discovered. > > Most > > > of > > > > the > > > > > gastro-intestinal tract is tender when pressed, > especially > > the > > > > small > > > > > intestine, liver and gall bladder. There may even have > > been a > > > gall > > > > bladder > > > > > operation that failed to improve the condition, > sometimes > > even > > > > worsening the > > > > > symptoms. > > > > > > > > > > There could be a history of thrush or oral, anal or > vaginal > > > > itching. When > > > > > these are present the diagnosis of Candida is obvious > but > > it > > > may > > > > also be > > > > > present in the absence of these manifestations and that > > can be > > > > somewhat > > > > > confusing. The yeast or fungus Candida albicans, of > course, > > > > thrives during > > > > > antibiotic treatment. I regard it as reckless > negligence to > > > > prescribe > > > > > antibiotics without simultaneous fungicides and > replacement > > > > therapy with > > > > > lactobacilli afterwards. I believe that this practice > has > > > greatly > > > > added to > > > > > our vast pool of a chronically sick population. > > > > > > > > > > However, the 'antibiotic syndrome' is not just due to > > Candida. > > > I > > > > regard it > > > > > more generally as a 'dysbiosis' where the wrong kind of > > > microbes > > > > inhabit the > > > > > intestinal tract, not just Candida and other fungi, but > > many > > > types > > > > of > > > > > pathogenic bacteria including coli bacteria which are > > normal in > > > > the colon > > > > > but become disease-forming when they ascend into the > small > > > > intestine. > > > > > > > > > > If the problem has existed for years, there is usually > a > > lack > > > of > > > > gastric > > > > > acid which then allows the stomach to be colonised by > > microbes, > > > > causing > > > > > inflammation with pain and later, ulcers. The toxins > > released > > > by > > > > the > > > > > microbial overpopulation cause in addition chronic > > > inflammation of > > > > the > > > > > liver, gall bladder, pancreas and intestines. I regard > it > > as > > > > rather likely > > > > > that a chronic inflammation of the pancreas is a major > > > > contributing factor > > > > > in the development of insulin-dependent diabetes. > > > > > > > > > > Bacterial attack > > > > > > > > > > Specific types of pathogenic bacteria appear to cause > or > > > > contribute to > > > > > specific auto-immune diseases. One variety of coli > > bacteria, > > > for > > > > instance, > > > > > produces a molecule that is very similar to insulin. > When > > the > > > > immune system > > > > > becomes activated against this molecule it may then > also > > attack > > > > related > > > > > features at the beta cells of the pancreas > > > > > > > > > > Another type of bacteria, Yersinia enterocolitica, > induces > > an > > > > immune > > > > > response that attacks the thyroid gland and leads to > > Grave's > > > > disease with a > > > > > serious overproduction of thyroid hormones. > > > > > > > > > > Ulcerative colitis is linked to overgrowth with > pathogenic > > > > microbes, the > > > > > same as Crohn's disease, osteoporosis and ankylosing > > > spondylitis. > > > > In > > > > > ankylosing spondylitis the vertebra of the spine fuse > > together > > > > causing > > > > > stiffness and pain. Other joints may in time become > > affected. > > > > > > > > > > Klebsiella, another type of pathogenic bacteria, > produces a > > > > molecule that is > > > > > similar to a tissue type found in people with this > disease. > > > When > > > > klebsiella > > > > > numbers in the gut decrease, related antibodies in the > > blood > > > > decrease and > > > > > the condition improves. > > > > > > > > > > Rheumatoid arthritis is linked to other bacteria, > called > > > proteus. > > > > Proteus is > > > > > also a common cause of urinary tract infections. Women > > suffer > > > > urinary tract > > > > > infections as well as rheumatoid arthritis twice as > often > > as > > > men, > > > > while men > > > > > usually have higher levels of klebsiella and three > times > > more > > > > ankylosing > > > > > spondylitis than women. > > > > > > > > > > In addition microbial overgrowth dam ages the > intestinal > > wall > > > so > > > > that only > > > > > partly digested food particles can pass into the > > bloodstream, > > > > causing > > > > > allergies. In this way all auto-immune diseases can be > > linked > > > to > > > > food > > > > > allergies. > > > > > > > > > > While rheumatoid arthritis is a frequent feature of the > > > antibiotic > > > > syndrome, > > > > > and I regard it as relatively easy to cure, not many > > sufferers > > > of > > > > this > > > > > disease seem to be interested in this natural > approach. The > > > other > > > > day a > > > > > young man with severe rheumatoid arthritis knocked at > my > > door > > > to > > > > collect > > > > > money for a medically sponsored walkathon. When I told > him > > > that I > > > > do not > > > > > give money for drug treatment as it can be overcome > with > > > natural > > > > therapies, > > > > > he shouted: 'You are mad!' and left visibly upset. > > > > > > > > > > Other auto-immune diseases that have so far been > linked to > > > > dysbiosis are > > > > > psoriasis, lupus erythematosus and pancreatitis. When > > remedies > > > are > > > > given > > > > > that bind bacterial endotoxins, these conditions > usually > > > improve. > > > > A further > > > > > consequence of dysbiosis is susceptibility to food > > poisoning as > > > > with > > > > > salmonella bacteria, while a healthy intestinal flora > > prevents > > > > these from > > > > > multiplying and causing trouble. > > > > > > > > > > Staphylococcus aureus or golden staph cause serious > > infections > > > in > > > > hospital > > > > > patients. It has been found that not only golden staph > but > > also > > > > other > > > > > infections are greatly potentised when they occur with > a > > > Candida > > > > overgrowth. > > > > > As Candida overgrowth is a natural outcome of the > standard > > > hospital > > > > > treatment, it is easy to see why golden staph is so > deadly > > in > > > > hospitals. > > > > > > > > > > A similar picture emerges with AIDS. People do not die > > from the > > > > AIDS virus > > > > > but from Candida-potentised bacterial infections. I > also > > see > > > the > > > > > antibiotic-induced dysbiosis in babies and infants as > the > > main > > > > cause of > > > > > their frequent infections, glue ear and greatly > > contributing to > > > > cot death. > > > > > > > > > > While it used to be uncommon for children to have more > than > > > one or > > > > two > > > > > infections a year, now more than six is the norm. > > > > > > > > > > In the 1940's Candida was found in only three per cent > of > > > > autopsies, now the > > > > > figure is nearer thirty per cent. There are, of course, > > other > > > > factors that > > > > > can cause dysbiosis - the contraceptive pill, steroids > and > > > other > > > > drugs, > > > > > radiation treatment and chemotherapy - but the main > > culprit is, > > > > without > > > > > doubt, antibiotics. > > > > > > > > > > Closely related to Candida are the mycoplasms or > > pleomorphic > > > > organisms. > > > > > These have been shown to be a main factor in the > causation > > of > > > > cancer. > > > > > Therefore, antifungal therapy has also major benefits > in > > cancer > > > > treatment. > > > > > > > > > > Dr Orian Truss > > > > > > > > > > [infections] J - guts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you support your gut-symbiosis emphasis mostly > from > > > observing > > > > the > > > > > circumstances/course of human illness as reported in > > patient > > > > > testimony online? > > > > > > > > > > Have you seen this one? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arthritis Rheum. 2000 Nov;43(11):2583-9. Related > > Articles, > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > Oral antibiotics as a novel therapy for arthritis: > > evidence > > > for a > > > > > beneficial effect of intestinal Escherichia coli. > > > > > > > > > > Nieuwenhuis EE, Visser MR, Kavelaars A, Cobelens PM, > > Fleer A, > > > > Harmsen > > > > > W, Verhoef J, Akkermans LM, Heijnen CJ. > > > > > > > > > > Wilhelmina Children's Hospital, Utrecht, The > Netherlands. > > > > > > > > > > OBJECTIVE: The intestinal flora is thought to play an > > > important > > > > role > > > > > in regulation of immune responses. We investigated > the > > > effects of > > > > > changing the intestinal flora on the course of > adjuvant- > > > induced > > > > > arthritis (AIA) and on experimental autoimmune > > > encephalomyelitis > > > > > (EAE) by the use of oral antibiotics. METHODS: Oral > > treatment > > > > with > > > > > either vancomycin or vancomycin, tobramycin, and > > colistin was > > > > started > > > > > after AIA and EAE induction. Clinical symptoms of AIA > > and EAE > > > > were > > > > > monitored, and microbial analysis of ileal samples > was > > > performed. > > > > > RESULTS: Oral vancomycin treatment after disease > > induction > > > > > significantly decreased clinical symptoms of AIA. > > > Simultaneously, > > > > > increased concentrations of Escherichia coli were > > detected > > > in the > > > > > distal ileum of vancomycin-treated rats. Ileal > > > concentrations of > > > > E > > > > > coli were inversely related to disease scores in rats > > with > > > AIA. > > > > > Coadministration of colistin/tobramycin to prevent > the > > > increase > > > > in E > > > > > coli abrogated the beneficial effect of vancomycin on > > AIA. > > > > Vancomycin > > > > > treatment also reduced the clinical symptoms of EAE. > > > CONCLUSION: > > > > We > > > > > propose oral vancomycin as a novel therapeutic > strategy > > in > > > > autoimmune > > > > > diseases. > > > > > > > > > > PMID: 11083284 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2005 Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 Yep similar cycles were obvious to me as well and I would have a couple of major prolonged flare ups each year. I made great strides in treating gall bladder, GI tract issues, candida, and so-called IBS; but still got cycling flare ups of related symptoms that did not seem to have an obvious cause. Tansy > > Tony, one of my criticisms of you in the past is your authoritive > > announcements of your findings…Fact is interpreting what you see > under a > > microscope is a very in-depth hard learned skill …your findings are > > interesting ,but in no way could be thought of as definitive .. > Herxing is > > the reaction to the die off of pathogens, usually confined to a > brief period > > following the onset of ABX treatment…I experience a flare cycle in > line > > with Dr s findings ,it's puzzled me for years, Dr W finds > the blood > > teeming with…??.. one day & not another, He's on record with that , > it's an > > easily repeatable easily checkable test , I don't think he would > risk his > > reputation making the results up! .And don't forget he's infected > too., > > number one guinea pig… I can predict a flare [now moved to one week > before > > the full moon] So not a Herx…compelling evidence, I think > so .Though I do > > agree I wish Dr W would get his finger out & publish , I don't > know why he > > doesn't ..Your description of a darkfield as a alternative thing is > > surprising not to mention incorrect, it's a recognised research > tool ..see > > below ..Sorry Tony , but stop shooting from the hip… > > > > > > > > Ned Tijdschr Tandheelkd. 1992 Oct;99(10):381-4. > > Related Articles, Links > > > > > > [Darkfield or phase contrast microscopy. Usefulness in > periodontology] > > > > [Article in Dutch] > > > > Callens A. > > > > Uit de Eenheid Parodontologie van de Faculteit Geneeskunde te > Leuven, > > Belgie. > > > > Microscopic evaluation of a dental plaque sample is not very > useful, since > > the bacteria are difficult to distinguish from the diluent (same > refractive > > index). Two types of microscopic analyses try to solve this problem > in a > > different way. Using a darkfield microscope, the object is > illuminated by > > slanting rays of light, that are then dispersed or bent away and > enter the > > object. In this way, a shining image on a dark background is > formed. The > > phase contrast microscope uses two principles of the geometry (wave > length > > and amplitude) to create an image of the illuminated cells. > Methodologically > > the next aspects are important, since they strongly influence the > outcome of > > the analysis: contamination of the sample, technique of sampling and > > preparation of the sample. The reproducibility of the above > mentioned > > techniques is high when a great number of parameters is kept > constant. The > > analysis of the sample give us some clinically relevant information. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2005 Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 I don't understand the D depletion theory. Expand? People get colds in the sunshine states, too you know. Seriously, I'm confounded by the fact that my D is low even though I live in the " golden state " where the sun shines about 360 days per year. The mp.com folks would say my 25d is converting too quickly to the 1,25d hormone, but my tests didn't show my 1,25d to be high, even by mp.com standards, so how can I be low in D in this climate? Where's it going? penny > I think the yearly flares are common to healthy people too ..It's a fact > that most carry the cold virus in the nasal cavities .. in temperate climes > the virus activates with the onset of winter....The obvious answer to why > that should be is Vit D depletion ..but i wonder ...I wonder too if colds > follow a cycle in the tropics .anyone know... 02/09/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Well, after reading all that, I was convinced to pop 400 i.u. (which happen to be sitting right here next to the computer). :-) penny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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