Guest guest Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 I have been on Ketek and Tini now for about 50 days straight for Lyme. My LLMD doesn't pulse the Tini, just prescribes it with another antibiotic continually. My worst patch was after 2-3 weeks. I am okay now except still have sore joints, especially shoulders. I think I am on an upward path that started when I first began antibiotic treatment a year ago. Back then I was in agonizing pain. Is there some reason why Tini or Flagyl should be pulsed rather than taken continuously? Obviously some people don't tolerate it well or may have too high a load to take it continuously, but is there another reason? - Kate D. On Saturday, August 20, 2005, at 10:59 AM, Jim Kepner wrote: > > 2.After about two months, I build up a reaction to > Flagyl where I got sick and nauseated even with one > dose. I switched to Tinidazole and tolerate it much > better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 Thank-you so much, Jim. That's just what I needed to hear. Did you try charcoal as well? I have a good charcoal product (Enteraklenz - tastes subtly like chocolate) but it's difficult to take when I'm taking meds every 2 hours throughout the day! Do you know specifically why C is used? What about a magnesium flush? That'd work too, if it's just a matter of cleaning you out. :- ) I still like the charcoal, if it can be fit it in. I've been wondering about this. If we've got all these toxins floating around from the high bacterial counts, and they're not really getting processed out through the liver (ala Shoemaker) but just keep recirculating through the blood making us sicker and sicker, we really need to find a way to clean them out if we want to feel better. It's not so much a matter of detoxing the liver, is it, as detoxing the blood? This is why Cholestyramine or Charcoal (or perhaps C, if it binds to toxins) makes sense. This is what I like about STratton. He's trying to cover all the bases as safely as possible. And yet I wonder too, why is it that when I'm on the right abx, I feel so much better? Do you? Not toxic at all (when I'm not on abx, I have lots of toxic symptoms. Can't think straight, etc.). I know I'm killing bugs with the right abx in the right amount, but I don't seem to suffer from the toxin release that comes with die-off. Where are these toxins going? Is my body mopping them up more efficiently somehow? I wish I understood the whole mechanism better. Also, which abx have you done or are you on and what's been successful for you? penny p.s. Along with my recent improvements, I've noticed my vision is much improved. I'm now sometimes using only the 1.00 (lowest) magnification reading glasses for very fine print. The 1.75 and 2.00s I was using before are way too strong. Interesting. > Penny, et al- > Some help on flagyl pulses: > 1. Both Stratton and Wheldon urge slow and gradual-- > one tablet the first time, one a day for a few days > the second, etc. Work up at your own rate. > I actually found for the first round that I felt so > much better using one flagyl a day for two days, that > I did this once a week for a month. Then the effect > built up and I began to stretch out to the recommended > every three weeks. > 2.After about two months, I build up a reaction to > Flagyl where I got sick and nauseated even with one > dose. I switched to Tinidazole and tolerate it much > better. > 3. One key I've found is that the endotoxic reaction > builds up at about the second or third day now and I > feel very sick, crappy all over, neurotoxic. I've > found doing the Vitamin C flush does wonders for > clearing this. You have to wait until the morning abx > doses are absorbed so you don't waste them. Then one > rounded teaspoon Buffered C powder (I use Allergy > Research) every 15 minutes until bowel tolerance (ie > evvacuation). My first time took up to 20 grams (yes > grams), but it takes less now. Teitelbaum's site has > instructions on the Vitamin C Flush somewhere. > > I think the effect is not just as a laxative, > although this probably flushes out the endotoxin in > the bowel our liver has processed, but a direct usage > by the body to handle the oxidative stress of the > bacterial endotoxin. It also helps less joint ache! > See this link for more info on C and endotoxin: > http://www.acnem.org/journal/24-1_april_2005/endotoxin.htm > > Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 I've been taking charcoal at night. I assume it interferes with meds if taken within 2 hours of them or so. Anybody know any different? - Kate On Saturday, August 20, 2005, at 01:14 PM, penny wrote: > Thank-you so much, Jim. That's just what I needed to hear. > > Did you try charcoal as well? I have a good charcoal product > (Enteraklenz - tastes subtly like chocolate) but it's difficult to > take when I'm taking meds every 2 hours throughout the day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 That's true. Have to take it at LEAST 2 hours away from other substances (don't know if there are individual variations on that depending on digestive speed, etc.?) penny > > > Thank-you so much, Jim. That's just what I needed to hear. > > > > Did you try charcoal as well? I have a good charcoal product > > (Enteraklenz - tastes subtly like chocolate) but it's difficult to > > take when I'm taking meds every 2 hours throughout the day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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