Re: was babesia, but comment about Bb

[Guest guest]

That's what I meant. I got treated within 12 days of my bite. I should

not have gone chronic. Babesia was the missing link. I did try to get

tested by two different docs those first few weeks--for babesia, but I

couldn't move the powers that be. Even one of the docs was a friend.

Couldn't get him to test me.

> --- In infections , " jill1313 "

<jenbooks13@h...>

> wrote [iN PART]:

> > Just lyme alone doesn't usually stay chronic.

>

> The data indicate otherwise IF not treated early. IF treated early

and correctly, yes, Bb

> does not typically become chronic in nature.

[Guest guest]

What if you never got treatment for Bb though? I was bitten over 35

years ago, my kids were born with it, and we are chronic. I suspect my

mom is chronic Bb, misdiagnosed as MS.

If it doesn't tend to become chronic, why worry about treating with

ABX in the first place, it should just go away. I wonder to about

those who don't believe Bb can be chronic. What do they think happens

if you are never treated for Lyme?

> --- In infections , " jill1313 "

<jenbooks13@h...>

> wrote [iN PART]:

> > Just lyme alone doesn't usually stay chronic.

>

> The data indicate otherwise IF not treated early. IF treated early

and correctly, yes, Bb

> does not typically become chronic in nature.

[Guest guest]

That camp does believe in chronic lyme disease as a minority outcome of

acute lyme. However they believe that it has been overdiagnosed and

believe that any and all of the bacteria are eradicated by brief

courses of antibiotics - with persisting complaints either being due to

sterile post-infectious inflammation, or not being actually

statistically discernable in the first place from complaints of the

general population.

[COUGH COUGH COUGH] rubbish [COUGH COUGH] [ahem]

Its really hard to demonstrate that Bb causes the pathology we see...

when you take into account things like the fact that apparant

treponemes may persist after the successful therapy of syphilis. But,

to contextualise - its also rather hard to demonstrate that tertiary

syphilis is in fact due to syphilis. Only the usefulness of penicillin

in the disease has 100% solidified our concept of tertiary syphilis

manifestations being due to bacteria. Spirochetes are mysterious like

that. (So far.)

What is abundantly clear is that that camp's claims in refereed

journals that there is " no evidence of onging infection " after brief

treatment is diametrically incorrect; there is direct immunoelectron-

microscopic evidence of ongoing presence of Bb from multiple authors.

That camp are not engaged in what I would call inquiry or scholarship.

> If it doesn't tend to become chronic, why worry about treating with

> ABX in the first place, it should just go away. I wonder to about

> those who don't believe Bb can be chronic. What do they think happens

> if you are never treated for Lyme?

>