Flu cont

October 10, 2004

Hello again: I would like to apologize to all of you for my opening

comment " Since receiving the good news about the flu shot shortage "

it was cocky and offended some people who do not share this

opinion. My concern is that it may have prevented some people from

responding and would really like to make this a quality piece of

information that everyone can benefit from. I have already received

a lot of great information I just do not want my poor choice of

words to cause someone with some very good information to share

decide not to. I will include my response below to the letter

objecting to my choice of words, not the letter itself in the

interest of privacy.

At first I wasn't going to reply, but I think I will. I truly meant

this as good news in the most loving and humanitarian way. I also

think I have the credentials to do this. I am a Critical care Nurse

Practitioner working as a Case Manager in a large Emergency Dept and

Level 1 trauma Center. I have been in the profession for 30 years.

20 years ago I began following in my Herbalist Grandmother's

footsteps after observing that allopathic just didn't work as well

for some things as my grandmothers remedies did. I have gradually

moved from there to the various other methods of Energetic Medicine

and feel myself to still be very much student. One of the things I

observe every year is healthy young individuals lining up for flu

shots. I have never had one, nor has any of my children or family

members with the exception of my father who has a chronic illness

and I encourage him to get one. Maybe we are just lucky and maybe my

remedies only help us...But I really don't think so... I know

something about the Immune system and I know it needs to be

nourished and allowed to exercises itself and develop important

antibodies to protect it's host for 20 years from now when this

form of flu returns again. Immunity from the flu shot will not

protect you then when you are much more vulnerable, but your self

made antibodies will. I could write pages about the immune system so

I will stop here. As far as benefiting from this, I wish, if I

didn't have a well paying job I would be out of luck making it on

this side of health care. I simply love " Wellness " care

over " illness " care and spend a lot of time unreimbursed providing

what help I can. I truly do see this flu shot shortage as a good

thing. they are not out of vaccine, simply short and this means

those who really need it will receive it and hopefully the rest of

them can begin thinking of ways to boost their immune system and be

the better for it. I hope I can help those who wish to know those

ways in a accurate and interdisciplinary way, thus my idea to ask

the people on the lists I participate in as they are the smartest

people I have ever encountered Sorry as well to upset anyone, it was

not intended that way.

October 10, 2004

,

You did not upset me, for one. I don't know if the shortage is a good

thing or not. For some individuals it will be, undoubtedly, because if

the vaccine had been accepted from this mfr, some people would certainly

have suffered consequences. In fact even with the best, uncontaminated,

properly made flu vaccines, some people get the flu from the vaccine

itself, and some get flu anyway. Of those some will be very ill, some

will die. Maybe many unvaccinated people won't get the flu and may

realize they don't need a yearly shot, and that would be a good thing.

But getting the vaccine does not necessarily prevent anyone getting flu,

nor guarantee they won't die of it if they get it anyway.It makes a

whole lot of people FEEL safe though, whether they are or not.

It is all a game of numbers, nothing is 100% safe, nothing is 100%

effective. Yet the nightly news presents the story as if everyone who

gets a flu vaccine is indeed 100% protected, and further they imply,

though do not state, that the vaccine is 100% safe. It just isn't.

Everyone must weigh the pros and cons for themselves. But I do wonder if

this isn't yet another back door way to increase sales of the flu mist

vaccine. It will surely greatly increase sales of that product, as the

problems last year did. I mean, it has been known there were problems at

that mfr in previous years, and the FDA continued to accept and use they

vaccine made there. (THAT is SAFE?).

At any rate, I have seen it suggested that much or all of the vaccine

already accepted and in the system from that mfr, might possibly be

contaminated. Not worth the risk, imho. But then I don't think the

vaccine is all benefit and no risk anyway. Only those at severe risk of

severe consequences of flu should be vaccinated anyway. But that is just

my opinion. When my mother was in her last couple years, I HAD to get a

flu shot yearly, or I would not have been allowed to visit her. Since

she passed away, I haven't had the shot, nor ever intend to ever again.

Circumstances beyond my control may change that, but I'd have to be

forced into it.

sol

nvenzon wrote:

>

> Hello again: I would like to apologize to all of you for my opening

> comment " Since receiving the good news about the flu shot shortage "

> it was cocky and offended some people who do not share this

> opinion. My concern is that it may have prevented some people from

> responding and would really like to make this a quality piece of

> information that everyone can benefit from. I have already received

> a lot of great information I just do not want my poor choice of

> words to cause someone with some very good information to share

> decide not to. I will include my response below to the letter

> objecting to my choice of words, not the letter itself in the

> interest of privacy.

>

> At first I wasn't going to reply, but I think I will. I truly meant

> this as good news in the most loving and humanitarian way. I also

> think I have the credentials to do this. I am a Critical care Nurse

> Practitioner working as a Case Manager in a large Emergency Dept and

> Level 1 trauma Center. I have been in the profession for 30 years.

> 20 years ago I began following in my Herbalist Grandmother's

> footsteps after observing that allopathic just didn't work as well

> for some things as my grandmothers remedies did. I have gradually

> moved from there to the various other methods of Energetic Medicine

> and feel myself to still be very much student. One of the things I

> observe every year is healthy young individuals lining up for flu

> shots. I have never had one, nor has any of my children or family

> members with the exception of my father who has a chronic illness

> and I encourage him to get one. Maybe we are just lucky and maybe my

> remedies only help us...But I really don't think so... I know

> something about the Immune system and I know it needs to be

> nourished and allowed to exercises itself and develop important

> antibodies to protect it's host for 20 years from now when this

> form of flu returns again. Immunity from the flu shot will not

> protect you then when you are much more vulnerable, but your self

> made antibodies will. I could write pages about the immune system so

> I will stop here. As far as benefiting from this, I wish, if I

> didn't have a well paying job I would be out of luck making it on

> this side of health care. I simply love " Wellness " care

> over " illness " care and spend a lot of time unreimbursed providing

> what help I can. I truly do see this flu shot shortage as a good

> thing. they are not out of vaccine, simply short and this means

> those who really need it will receive it and hopefully the rest of

> them can begin thinking of ways to boost their immune system and be

> the better for it. I hope I can help those who wish to know those

> ways in a accurate and interdisciplinary way, thus my idea to ask

> the people on the lists I participate in as they are the smartest

> people I have ever encountered Sorry as well to upset anyone, it was

> not intended that way.

>

October 10, 2004

Thanks for the apology and explanation . Just to let you know I did

not find it offensive. What I find offensive is that the sarcastic humor

it was based on is so close to the truth of the vaccine industry.

Testing is never adequate, mercury is added and then patients are told

it is not until their doc calls and says he is about to give it to an

Autistic child that can not have any more mercury -- then they admit

there is still some in there -- off the record off course.

No the sarcasm is not offensive -- to me -- it rings a bell. But I can

understand how some might take offense -- easy to do on the internet

where a full explanation may take time and must be requested. For this

reason delaying judgment of someone's comment is wise, until we know

their story we often judge other's only by what we know of ourselves. It

is then that I have to ask why we take offense at all and the answer I

come up with is fear. Fear that the sarcasm is right and we have been

led down a primrose path to the belief that someone / anyone has all the

answers to all the illnesses if we just . . . pay the right man the

money for the right product. No to me healing is much more indvidual

and personal than that. And there are always choices -- that is what is

important. Some of us may have had bad experiences with a choice and

reflect that in future comments -- that is valid feed back. Others have

had great success and that is also valid feed back -- both are

acceptable here -- even the sarcasm.

I don't think health and healing are that cut and dried or " one size

fits all " .

Garnet