Re: Chlamydia Pneumonia, I was tested at IGenex Lab

[Guest guest]

I was tested at Igenex Lab in Palo Alto, Ca, and also through Lab core both times I came up positive. These test were done several years apart. Prof. Carol

message dated 8/9/05 9:03:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pennyhoule@... writes:

Here's an excerpt from an interesting article from the ImmunoSciences lab on C. Pneumonia and heart disease (among other ailments). Also talks about how macrophages actually become co-culprits. C. pneumonia is capable of invading the macrophages (as are other organisms) resulting in the macrophages doing more harm than good.More and more I'm convinced that there's a good chance that many of my problems may have begun with C. Pneumonia as a child (repeated bronchitis and pneumonia), and I'd like to get tested for it. Does anyone know the best tests to get? My doc's suggesting ImmunoSciences, but I want to be certain I get the best possible test to see if this may be an underlying issue that's allowing all these other pathogens to take hold as well. It could explain a lot of my heart problems, as well as the sinus and jaw disease.Anyone tested for this and how were you tested?thanks,pennyhttp://www.immuno-sci-lab.com/html/chlamydia_pneumoniae.htmlScientists have long known that atherosclerosis is an inflammatory disease which affects vessels throughout the body in particular those supporting the heart and the brain. So far no one has shown conclusively that C. pneumoniae causes the damage that leads to heart attack but there are good reasons to believe that it plays an important role in the inflammatory response.One of the functions of the immune system is to remove fat, cholesterol and other irritants from the vessel walls.As it is shown by its designation, Chlamydia pneumoniae has been established as an important human respiratory pathogen causing both endemic and epidemic disease, including pneumonia, bronchitis, pharyngitis and sinusitis.9,10 Up to 10% of community-acquired pneumonia cases in adults and up to 50% of pneumonia cases during epidemics are caused by this organism emphasizing the role of the respiratory system in this cross-infection. Although association of this organism with coronary heart disease, erythema nodosum and asthma has been demonstrated it is not clear how this organism is transferred from respiratory system to the circulation.9,10It seems that macrophages which have helped to clear C. pneumoniae from the respiratory system under certain conditions become active carriers of the microbe. And when an infected macrophage travels down on a vessel wall, it may infect the cells lining the arterial surface. Under these conditions, the artery would attract more immune cells, which will deliver more bacteria to the site and cause more serious inflammation. This hypothesis with preliminary evidence supporting it nicely is depicted in Figure 1.Researchers at s Hopkins and Louisiana State University have shown in test-tube experiments (in-vitro) that C. pneumoniae can indeed survive within macrophages and arterial cells.28-31

[Guest guest]

I was tested by Unilab and several years later by Quest labs which bought out Unilab. Both times positive.

MarieEJFISCH@... wrote:

I was tested at Igenex Lab in Palo Alto, Ca, and also through Lab core both times I came up positive. These test were done several years apart. Prof. Carol

message dated 8/9/05 9:03:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pennyhoule@... writes:

Here's an excerpt from an interesting article from the ImmunoSciences lab on C. Pneumonia and heart disease (among other ailments). Also talks about how macrophages actually become co-culprits. C. pneumonia is capable of invading the macrophages (as are other organisms) resulting in the macrophages doing more harm than good.More and more I'm convinced that there's a good chance that many of my problems may have begun with C. Pneumonia as a child (repeated bronchitis and pneumonia), and I'd like to get tested for it. Does anyone know the best tests to get? My doc's suggesting ImmunoSciences, but I want to be certain I get the best possible test to see if this may be an underlying issue that's allowing all these other pathogens to take hold as well. It could explain a lot of my heart problems, as well as the sinus and jaw

disease.Anyone tested for this and how were you tested?thanks,pennyhttp://www.immuno-sci-lab.com/html/chlamydia_pneumoniae.htmlScientists have long known that atherosclerosis is an inflammatory disease which affects vessels throughout the body in particular those supporting the heart and the brain. So far no one has shown conclusively that C. pneumoniae causes the damage that leads to heart attack but there are good reasons to believe that it plays an important role in the inflammatory response.One of the functions of the immune system is to remove fat, cholesterol and other irritants from the vessel walls.As it is shown by its designation, Chlamydia pneumoniae has been established as an important human respiratory pathogen causing both endemic and epidemic disease, including pneumonia, bronchitis, pharyngitis and sinusitis.9,10 Up to 10% of community-acquired pneumonia

cases in adults and up to 50% of pneumonia cases during epidemics are caused by this organism emphasizing the role of the respiratory system in this cross-infection. Although association of this organism with coronary heart disease, erythema nodosum and asthma has been demonstrated it is not clear how this organism is transferred from respiratory system to the circulation.9,10It seems that macrophages which have helped to clear C. pneumoniae from the respiratory system under certain conditions become active carriers of the microbe. And when an infected macrophage travels down on a vessel wall, it may infect the cells lining the arterial surface. Under these conditions, the artery would attract more immune cells, which will deliver more bacteria to the site and cause more serious inflammation. This hypothesis with preliminary evidence supporting it nicely is depicted in Figure 1.Researchers at

s Hopkins and Louisiana State University have shown in test-tube experiments (in-vitro) that C. pneumoniae can indeed survive within macrophages and arterial cells.28-31

Start your day with - make it your home page

[Guest guest]

Have you used Flagyl?

MarieColourbleu <colourbleu@...> wrote:

I gave up on the imbecile testing they offered in the UK and eventually self prescribed abx. I was eventually dx with CnP in my eyes. The nice men in the white coats offered me eye drops. LMAO CiPRO and Biaxin in high doses were the main movers and shakers. Tried a lot others. Zitromax is good in short bursts. 6 week cycles are one of the keys I think.bleuOn 10 Aug 2005, at 09:57, Marie Mayberry wrote:> I was tested by Unilab and several years later by Quest labs which > bought out Unilab. Both times positive.> Marie>> EJFISCH@... wrote:>>  I was tested at Igenex Lab in Palo Alto, Ca, and also through Lab >> core both times I came up positive. These test were done several >> years apart. Prof. Carol>>  >>  >>

 >> message dated 8/9/05 9:03:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >> pennyhoule@... writes:>>> Here's an excerpt from an interesting article from the>>> ImmunoSciences lab on C. Pneumonia and heart disease (among other>>> ailments). Also talks about how macrophages actually become co->>> culprits. C. pneumonia is capable of invading the macrophages (as>>> are other organisms) resulting in the macrophages doing more harm>>> than good.>>>>>> More and more I'm convinced that there's a good chance that many of>>> my problems may have begun with C. Pneumonia as a child (repeated>>> bronchitis and pneumonia), and I'd like to get tested for it. Does>>> anyone know the best tests to get? My doc's suggesting>>> ImmunoSciences, but I want to be certain I get the best possible>>> test to see if this may

be an underlying issue that's allowing all>>> these other pathogens to take hold as well. It could explain a lot>>> of my heart problems, as well as the sinus and jaw disease.>>>>>> Anyone tested for this and how were you tested?>>>>>> thanks,>>>>>> penny>>>>>>>>> http://www.immuno-sci-lab.com/html/chlamydia_pneumoniae.html>>>>>> Scientists have long known that atherosclerosis is an inflammatory>>> disease which affects vessels throughout the body in particular>>> those supporting the heart and the brain. So far no one has shown>>> conclusively that C. pneumoniae causes the damage that leads to>>> heart attack but there are good reasons to believe that it plays an>>> important role in the inflammatory response.>>>>>> One

of the functions of the immune system is to remove fat,>>> cholesterol and other irritants from the vessel walls.>>>>>> As it is shown by its designation, Chlamydia pneumoniae has been>>> established as an important human respiratory pathogen causing both>>> endemic and epidemic disease, including pneumonia, bronchitis,>>> pharyngitis and sinusitis.9,10 Up to 10% of community-acquired>>> pneumonia cases in adults and up to 50% of pneumonia cases during>>> epidemics are caused by this organism emphasizing the role of the>>> respiratory system in this cross-infection. Although association of>>> this organism with coronary heart disease, erythema nodosum and>>> asthma has been demonstrated it is not clear how this organism is>>> transferred from respiratory system to the circulation.9,10>>>>>>

It seems that macrophages which have helped to clear C. pneumoniae>>> from the respiratory system under certain conditions become active>>> carriers of the microbe. And when an infected macrophage travels>>> down on a vessel wall, it may infect the cells lining the arterial>>> surface. Under these conditions, the artery would attract more>>> immune cells, which will deliver more bacteria to the site and cause>>> more serious inflammation. This hypothesis with preliminary>>> evidence supporting it nicely is depicted in Figure 1.>>>>>> Researchers at s Hopkins and Louisiana State University have>>> shown in test-tube experiments (in-vitro) that C. pneumoniae can>>> indeed survive within macrophages and arterial cells.28-31Start your >>> day with - make it your home page> ! GROUPS

LINKS>> â–ª Â Visit your group "infections" on the web.> Â > â–ª Â

[Guest guest]

Just occurred to me that I took Flagyl for girardia in 1986. After

starting the drug, I mmediately got on a plane to Europe. I was

young and clueless in the ways of pharmaceuticals. I didn't think it

bothered me much, but you have to remember, I was already suffering

GI upset from the Girardia. And what just occurred to me is that

when I got off the plane in Germany, I had the worst stiff neck of

my life. It was horrible. I couldn't turn my neck for at least 3

days. I thought I'd just been in an awkward position on the plane,

but now I'm thinking it was probably the flagyl and some bug at war.

penny

<colourbleu@f...> wrote:

> tried it a few times but it was hell.

Marie Mayberry wrote:

>

> > Have you used Flagyl?