Re: 14 out 20 chronically ill have Lyme !!

[Guest guest]

Very interesting article. It actually takes info from my little

LLMD, Dan Kinderleher, M.D. Wow!

I have been thinking a lot about syphilis, and how similar it is to

Lyme. I don't think doctors question Syphilis, so why do they

question Lyme. I was watching " House " recently and this woman was

very sick, turned out she had Syphilis. She had gotten the Syphilis

as a teenager, was treated and had been fine for most of her life.

But at some point the syphilis was triggered and it again was

causing trouble. Why is that so hard to believe that same senario of

Lyme. They are both spirochetes aren't they?

I wonder what drug they use to treat syphylis? Have they tried it on

us.

There is a very good explanation as to how ABX actually work on

spirochetes. Also it gives thier life span and explains that ABX

could be needed for a year and a half, as the ABX really only work

when a bacteria or spirochete is dividing.

Very interesting read. I plan on saving it on to my website for safe

keeping. Thanks

> Just Found this on the Candida forum ,

>

>

>

> Chart E: Lyme Disease Out of Control · An estimated 18 million

cases in

> the US alone, many more worldwide. · With poor diagnosis and

treatment,

> there is little hope for a successful resolution. · Available

treatment

> modalities are only partially successful; the causative organism

is masked

> in lymphocytes, eosinophils, basophils and tissues. · One year

ago, in the

> Bradford Research Institute/Ingles Hospital, Tijuana, Mexico, 1 in

20

> patients had Lyme disease. Today, the incidence is in excess of 14

in 20.

>

> http://www.townsendletter.com/Jan2005/lyme0105.htm

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[Guest guest]

> I have been thinking a lot about syphilis, and how similar it is to

> Lyme.

I " love " syphilis!

> I don't think doctors question Syphilis, so why do they

> question Lyme.

In fact there is NO pathogensis for chronic syphilis and just like

lyme they cant seem to find enough of the bacteria to explain

anything. Apparantly chronic syphilis has NEVER been studied with the

electron microscope. It is accepted universally mainly because it is

treatable... after a brief treatment it apparantly fails to progress

(always?) and usually symptoms resolve. At least according to what

they tell ya. But it used to be very very abundant and now it is very

rare so the lit seems to be correct. THis response to abx is why it

is concluded to be an infectious disease by everyone.

The residual sx that occur in apparantly a minority of cases (eg

seizure, etc in neurosyphilis) are attributed by some to damage, but

it sounds like there is not definitive evidence.

> I wonder what drug they use to treat syphylis? Have they tried it

on

> us.

Almost exclusively benzylpenicillin, ie penicillin G.

[Guest guest]

Geez, tell that to Nietzsche and the Baroness Blixen (Isak Dinesen).

Certainly many people suffered either lifelong exacerbations, and/or

late stage madness/psychosis.

Read, POX by Deborah Hayden.

I guess you are not too interested in my plastids . They are so way

cool. I will keep them for myself then!

-- In infections , " Hodologica "

<usenethod@y...> wrote:

>

> > I have been thinking a lot about syphilis, and how similar it is

to

> > Lyme.

>

> I " love " syphilis!

>

> > I don't think doctors question Syphilis, so why do they

> > question Lyme.

>

> In fact there is NO pathogensis for chronic syphilis and just like

> lyme they cant seem to find enough of the bacteria to explain

> anything. Apparantly chronic syphilis has NEVER been studied with

the

> electron microscope. It is accepted universally mainly because it

is

> treatable... after a brief treatment it apparantly fails to

progress

> (always?) and usually symptoms resolve. At least according to what

> they tell ya. But it used to be very very abundant and now it is

very

> rare so the lit seems to be correct. THis response to abx is why it

> is concluded to be an infectious disease by everyone.

>

> The residual sx that occur in apparantly a minority of cases (eg

> seizure, etc in neurosyphilis) are attributed by some to damage,

but

> it sounds like there is not definitive evidence.

>

> > I wonder what drug they use to treat syphylis? Have they tried it

> on

> > us.

>

> Almost exclusively benzylpenicillin, ie penicillin G.

[Guest guest]

Nietzsche died in like 1897-9 when syphilis was treated (semi-

successfully, bad side effects) with heavy metals, Fleming discovered

benzylpenicillin in the early/mid 30s and couldnt get anyone

interested in it for any application at all, apparantly he was a big

smart observant wimp

in mid-WWII someone dug it up and 30+ Brit & AMerican labs started

working on it feverishly and brought it out rapidly, at first they

still got it from Penicillium, but they had selected hyper-producing

strains for better yields.

At the time the only antibx other than heavy metals were sulfa drugs,

discovered in the 1930s, but I'm not sure they were as good as

sulfamethoxazole is, and I'm not sure they were very versatile - in

fact I hear otherwise but only from superficial sources.

I cant read about new subjects like plastids this week, super busy...

> Geez, tell that to Nietzsche and the Baroness Blixen (Isak Dinesen).

>

> Certainly many people suffered either lifelong exacerbations,

and/or

> late stage madness/psychosis.

>

> Read, POX by Deborah Hayden.

>

> I guess you are not too interested in my plastids . They are so

way

> cool. I will keep them for myself then!

>

> -- In infections , " Hodologica "

> <usenethod@y...> wrote:

> >

> > > I have been thinking a lot about syphilis, and how similar it

is

> to

> > > Lyme.

> >

> > I " love " syphilis!

> >

> > > I don't think doctors question Syphilis, so why do they

> > > question Lyme.

> >

> > In fact there is NO pathogensis for chronic syphilis and just

like

> > lyme they cant seem to find enough of the bacteria to explain

> > anything. Apparantly chronic syphilis has NEVER been studied with

> the

> > electron microscope. It is accepted universally mainly because it

> is

> > treatable... after a brief treatment it apparantly fails to

> progress

> > (always?) and usually symptoms resolve. At least according to

what

> > they tell ya. But it used to be very very abundant and now it is

> very

> > rare so the lit seems to be correct. THis response to abx is why

it

> > is concluded to be an infectious disease by everyone.

> >

> > The residual sx that occur in apparantly a minority of cases (eg

> > seizure, etc in neurosyphilis) are attributed by some to damage,

> but

> > it sounds like there is not definitive evidence.

> >

> > > I wonder what drug they use to treat syphylis? Have they tried

it

> > on

> > > us.

> >

> > Almost exclusively benzylpenicillin, ie penicillin G.

[Guest guest]

Maybe I'm not reading correctly, but it seems to me the article

doesn't say " 14 out 20 chronically ill have Lyme !! "

It says:

" One year ago, in the Bradford Research Institute/Ingles Hospital,

Tijuana, Mexico, 1 in 20 patients had Lyme disease. Today, the

incidence is in excess of 14 in 20. "

And it appears to me to be an infomercial for the " Bradford

Microscope. "

> Just Found this on the Candida forum ,

>

>

>

> Chart E: Lyme Disease Out of Control · An estimated 18 million

cases in

> the US alone, many more worldwide. · With poor diagnosis and

treatment,

> there is little hope for a successful resolution. · Available

treatment

> modalities are only partially successful; the causative organism is

masked

> in lymphocytes, eosinophils, basophils and tissues. · One year ago,

in the

> Bradford Research Institute/Ingles Hospital, Tijuana, Mexico, 1 in

20

> patients had Lyme disease. Today, the incidence is in excess of 14

in 20.

>

> http://www.townsendletter.com/Jan2005/lyme0105.htm

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[Guest guest]

Yeah, I saw that episode too. It's a good show, although I get

somewhat squeamish when they talk about antibiotics sometimes.

His prognosis and treatment plan in the show was two weeks

penicillin, after which she'd be cured of syphillis, but the brain

damage (which she liked) would stay. If that's true, 2 weeks to kill

penicillin, then what makes lyme so much harder to kill?

penny

> > Just Found this on the Candida forum ,

> >

> >

> >

> > Chart E: Lyme Disease Out of Control · An estimated 18 million

> cases in

> > the US alone, many more worldwide. · With poor diagnosis and

> treatment,

> > there is little hope for a successful resolution. · Available

> treatment

> > modalities are only partially successful; the causative organism

> is masked

> > in lymphocytes, eosinophils, basophils and tissues. · One year

> ago, in the

> > Bradford Research Institute/Ingles Hospital, Tijuana, Mexico, 1

in

> 20

> > patients had Lyme disease. Today, the incidence is in excess of

14

> in 20.

> >

> > http://www.townsendletter.com/Jan2005/lyme0105.htm

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> 04/08/2005

[Guest guest]

I meant, two weeks to kill syphillis, not penicillin! :-)

Sometimes I wish I could kill it ALL in two weeks! And go back to a

normal life. But right now, penicillin seems to be working really

well on my infection, so wouldn't want to kill that. :-) The salty

taste, which is an indicator of how active my infection is, is

almost gone. That's good news for me, for now.

penny

> > > Just Found this on the Candida forum ,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Chart E: Lyme Disease Out of Control · An estimated 18

million

> > cases in

> > > the US alone, many more worldwide. · With poor diagnosis and

> > treatment,

> > > there is little hope for a successful resolution. · Available

> > treatment

> > > modalities are only partially successful; the causative

organism

> > is masked

> > > in lymphocytes, eosinophils, basophils and tissues. · One year

> > ago, in the

> > > Bradford Research Institute/Ingles Hospital, Tijuana, Mexico,

1

> in

> > 20

> > > patients had Lyme disease. Today, the incidence is in excess

of

> 14

> > in 20.

> > >

> > > http://www.townsendletter.com/Jan2005/lyme0105.htm

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[Guest guest]

> His prognosis and treatment plan in the show was two weeks

> penicillin, after which she'd be cured of syphillis, but the brain

> damage (which she liked) would stay. If that's true, 2 weeks to kill

> penicillin, then what makes lyme so much harder to kill?

>

> penny

bc/ " Bb has a much greater capacity for efflux than Tp " (at least

according to examination of the modest majority percentage of the two

genomes whose products are somewhat understood).

oh no here it comes, um did I mention the word _MAYBE_, bold, italics,

underlined 24-pt font

[Guest guest]

Yeah, my guess is synphillis isn't all that easy to kill either. Why

did it reappear in her after 50 years if it is? Some triggering

mechanism that caused it to re-emerge? What triggers these bugs to

take over in any of us?

If any of this is even true at all. Generally, this show is pretty

smart. As a matter of fact, it's a favorite of medical people, but

like I said, I get squeamish when they start talking about

antibiotics, especially their misuse (although they do talk about

specific pathogens needing specific abx, and cultures, etc. That's

encouraging).

penny

>

> > His prognosis and treatment plan in the show was two weeks

> > penicillin, after which she'd be cured of syphillis, but the

brain

> > damage (which she liked) would stay. If that's true, 2 weeks to

kill

> > penicillin, then what makes lyme so much harder to kill?

> >

> > penny

>

>

> bc/ " Bb has a much greater capacity for efflux than Tp " (at least

> according to examination of the modest majority percentage of the

two

> genomes whose products are somewhat understood).

>

> oh no here it comes, um did I mention the word _MAYBE_, bold,

italics,

> underlined 24-pt font