Re: Your theories on what adding amoxi did...

August 12, 2005

Jim, I don't know. For me taking amoxy and tetracycline are like

taking sugar pills. Don't notice a thing.

My only concern is that perhaps you're not really experiencing

a " herx " but the drug's actually a bit too weak to hold it's own

against the bacteria and you're just stirring them up, -- causing a

big defensive reaction of toxin output. That's what bacteria do,

produce toxins to compete with other bacteria.

Tony, the fearless antibiotic maniac, would increase his dosages

massively and these " herxes " would go away.

I can't say if that would happen with you or not, but I do know that

in a hospital setting, they'd treat TB with something like 14 grams

of tetracycline a day. That's 14,000 mg! Not 500 mg like they give

us now. And if you know Tony, he's always saying that our infection

is much larger and far more pevasive than TB.

penny

> Hi all-

> It would be good to get your theories/guesses on my

> reactions to adding to the Wheldon protocal.

> Been treating Cpn infection since October 05.

> Started with tetracycline for three months: huge

> inflammatory herx of muscles, joints, mucous

> membranes; huge brain fog and fatigue. Bad for first

> week, then gradually less reaction each dose.

> Started doxy + zith: inflammatory herx again, but not

> as severe except in problem areas (lower back,

> trapezius).

> Flagyl pulses, now tinidazole, gradually able to do

> longer pulses which generally improve my energy

> initially and then get toxic and nauseaus day 4-5.

>

> Recently I decided to add amoxicillan to this as

> Stratton's work shows it to be antichlamydial,

> especially against the " elmentary body " phase of Cpn.

> Started with 500mg once a day, figuring I've been on

> the Wheldon protocal for a good long time and it would

> be an easy add in. Intending to work up to 500mg twice

> a day, then add probenicid to improve penetration.

>

> Yikes! Big inflammatory reaction, not quite as bad as

> when I first went on the tetracycline, but searing

> pain in traps, back, legs, knees, hands and wrists,

> significant brain fog, depressed mood. Suffered with

> this for a week and a half and decided to stop the

> amoxi until I recover a bit, then add it back in more

> slowly.

>

> So here are some questions:

> Why such a severe herx from adding in the amoxi?

> Did it potentiate the doxy/zith (haven't done the tini

> while using it) or is it killing some other toxic

> bacterium that the doxy/zith doesn't hit?

> How would one know which is which?

>

> Clearly, adding in the amoxi is killing what's causing

> some of my symptoms, since the pain and inflammation

> has been a big part. I've had less and less of this as

> I've been doing the Wheldon protocal. In fact, I

> hadn't used ibuprofen since last January, and I was

> using it frequently the year before. Last week it was

> the only thing which made it tolerable!

>

> Any informed opinions based on how the different abx's

> operate?

>

> Jim

August 12, 2005

Jim

You go on an attack wave then your bugs bounce back. The thing to

look for with the amoxacillin is if it gives you a good hour or

two.If you feel good for an hour or two the drug at those

concentrations is killing bacteria, when blood concentrations lower

it sounds like all your bacteria in the high bacteria zones is

annoyed and firing back at you.

there's no such smart therapy in modern medicxine as underdoing a

drug and trying to build it up.Your building more beta lactamase

organisms by tickling them with the amoxacillin.Beta lactamase

organismns then need augemntin .

I would leave the philosophy of modern day scientists on unamed

protocols to there own devices, when you have an infection bigger

than tuberculosis IMO you have to do the job right otherwise it's

all bad.Doing three drugs to keep the organisms lowering in number

is the only smart therapy I have ever heard of.Actually a younger

friend did augmentin doxycyucline and she did really well until she

stopped and relapsed.

tony