Re: Failure to test premarketing - as usual

[Guest guest]

> I will say that many of the large companies (DOW, Dupont, Kodak,

etc.) try to do a thorough job of investigation before releasing a

product.

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Tony,

Okay, I'll take this bait for the record :-) since the evidence is

so blatant. I can honestly say that few industries have been more

irresponsible than pesticide companies with regard to the mass

poisoning of the population. The CDC admits that nearly every

individual has pesticides in their bodies, showing up in active

excretion and blood testing. Mind you, excretion is not proof that

the pesticides pass through the body since we don't measure

absorption - only partial aspects of exposure and excretion

evidence. Pesticides are stored in fat and in tumor tissues

(frequently found in breast tumors).

Most pesticide products have no oversight for effects post

application. Applicators get a 40 hour class to teach them to read

the label but have no idea how these things work. There are no

measurements for drift or perseverence in the indoor environment

since these same formulations were designed to degrade in the

sunlight; there is no enforcement for misuse of formulations

according to label once registered (I was personally informed of

that by no less than three EPA officials), no vetting of the 'other'

(formerly mislabeled 'inert' ingredients)for safety or their

synergistic/additive effects upon bystanders. Carol Browner told me

that the banning of Dursban was her major victory as head of the EPA

yet industry refused till the end, to withdraw their product despite

proof of extensive harm to the population leading to its ban for

residential uses. Then they withdrew it as it would no longer be

profitable enough to sustain its manufacture (and law suits) but

were smart enough not to litigate for its re-registration. Much of

what was learned about pesticides, like PVC, came out of revelations

in trials and through the tragedies of thousands of people who

represent millions of affected people who did not know enough to be

able to report on it.

There is no reason for indoor use of neurotoxic pesticides in 95% of

situations since pest control is fairly easy to accomplish via other

methods. The carrier solvents (xylene, trimethylbenzene) are all

regulated in the workplace but no regulation exists for the free use

of them in homes through extermination; nor for frequency of use or

use of combinations of chemicals etc.

There are few laws in the country mandating the right for residents

to know in advance of application so it is impossible to take

precautions against their use - most people are ignorant of it.

People are not crops and the damage is incredible, permanent and the

contamination of homes is severe across the nation. Have you ever

tested any properties for chlordane or DDE? Wells for atrazine?

I'll spare you the rest of the diatribe but the pesticide industry

has set a standard for complete disregard of humans by corporate

America. There are many journals for pesticide toxicology for

references but of interest to this group should be the damage to

buildings from termaticides added to foundations which can cause a

lot of injuries to occupants yet remain unknown to the occupants.

Contractors take the brunt of outrage from injured consumers which

is why individual products used in buildings need to be better

researched for their real world hazards. Sensitization for many

building chemicals may actually be initiated via pesticide exposures

which have depleted detox abilities or amplified the damaging

aspects of other neurotoxins in the environment.

Of particular note for this list is the fact that mildicides and

fungicides are regulated by FIFRA as they are registered pesticidal

formulations. I have been told by many mold injured persons that

they became much sicker after remediation efforts utilizing these

products occured. I would like to hear from professionals on this

list as to their policies with regard to fungicides since this is no

doubt a major factor in client reactivity.

In the meantime, developmental disabilities, cancer, autoimmune

diseases, organ damage and endocrine disruption are all proven in

numerous sources in leading medical journals easily googled. It is

also against federal law to even utter the idea that pesticides are

safe, even when used as directed.

That ought to give you a starting point but it actually

More later id I get time but this is the basis for my contention

regarding the testing of buildings. My results for pesticide testing

has shown horrendous abuse of the population with these products.

Barb

[Guest guest]

This is an amazing article, and I recommend a read. Thanks for posting it!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1028097/This-baby-burned-red-raw-sofa-giving-toxic-fumes-As-investigation-reveals-hundreds-victims.html

Fungicide treated couches caused burns to many consumers.

[Guest guest]

1. statement:

" Okay, I'll take this bait for the record :-) since the evidence is

so blatant. "

RESPONSE:

Care to cite these blatant offenses, since you have yet to do any citations

this year from peer reviewed or equivalent sources.

2. " There is no reason for indoor use of neurotoxic pesticides in 95%

of

situations since pest control is fairly easy to accomplish via other

methods. "

RESPONSE:

So this implies the Manufacturers force people to use pesticides?

Interesting.

Or is it they should be responsible for showing people other methods?

3. Statement:

" There are few laws in the country mandating the right for residents

to know in advance of application so it is impossible to take

precautions against their use - most people are ignorant of it. "

RESPONSE:

So I take it the manufacturers should inform homeowners (who hire an

applicator) before the applicator comes?

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" Tony " Havics, CHMM, CIH, PE

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