Re: VERY exciting new abx - that's not really an abx!!!!!

[Guest guest]

Cool. I read several of Savages papers when Scha learned about this

stuff. If theyre chasing MRSA fasciitis it sounds like theyre going

for something you can take systemically for at least a while.

It seems some drugs of this type can enter host cells... not sure if

these particluar ones are among them (also the blood-brain barrier is

of interest here).

> www.ceragenix.com

>

> check it out. This has got serious possibilities for everything.

>

> penny

[Guest guest]

Cool. But its years away from even topical application .

Something that would attack bacteria AND fungi at the same time would

be excellent.

-- In infections , " Hodologica "

<usenethod@y...> wrote:

> Cool. I read several of Savages papers when Scha learned about this

> stuff. If theyre chasing MRSA fasciitis it sounds like theyre going

> for something you can take systemically for at least a while.

>

> It seems some drugs of this type can enter host cells... not sure if

> these particluar ones are among them (also the blood-brain barrier

is

> of interest here).

>

>

> > www.ceragenix.com

> >

> > check it out. This has got serious possibilities for everything.

> >

> > penny

[Guest guest]

" jill1313 " <jenbooks13@h...> wrote:

> Cool. But its years away from even topical application .

> Something that would attack bacteria AND fungi at the same time

would be excellent.

Totally not true. I was told it's already being used in patient trials

and is awaiting FDA approval. A doctor friend has spoken with the CEO

of the company and apparently it's possible for our docs to get the

drug on an experimental basis. It hits viruses too, and supposedly has

few, possibly no side effects, because it's not bacteriocidal. Works

in a completely new way. This would be an amazing advance, if it all

pans out.

penny

[Guest guest]

Are you serious? Their website indicates quite differently from my

brief review of it--that in 2006 they were going to start topical

trials. I guess I can talk to the CEO of the company, I think my doc

would try to get it for me. I need something that is both antifungal

and antibacterial. I'm going to try an IV h202 on thursday, not that I

think its the be all and end all answer, but I've never tried one

before. I really can't take any antibiotics for more than a short

period because of the fungal problems. That's why, in searching for

answers and trying to create products, I've looked for substances that

are able to kill both bacteria and fungi. But this looks really

interesting too.

I had also interviewed the guy who heads that biotech that makes...is

it dermomycin or some name like that? Its a water that has been

osmotically changed so it creates osmotic shock. I actually took a

little internally. The guy said they will work on an IV version over

the next few years. Topically it is having good effects.

> Totally not true. I was told it's already being used in patient

trials

> and is awaiting FDA approval. A doctor friend has spoken with the

CEO

> of the company and apparently it's possible for our docs to get the

> drug on an experimental basis. It hits viruses too, and supposedly

has

> few, possibly no side effects, because it's not bacteriocidal. Works

> in a completely new way. This would be an amazing advance, if it all

> pans out.

>

> penny

[Guest guest]

p.s. penny...geez...if you'd told us about this a few weeks ago, we

could've tripled our money.

The stock has gone from about a dollar to three dollars...probably

because of recent news.

but you were on vacation! bad on you!

i'll do some more research. thanx.

[Guest guest]

Yes, apparently it's getting a lot of press recently. And strangely,

all of the links to the news reports on the site no longer appear to

be working (except the one on the triceram). Strange how this always

seems to happen when word gets out. They really batten down the

hatches.

I took the info to my doc. I'm going to see if he'll call the CEO

and see if I can perhaps get it on an experimental basis myself. I

always need a back up, because it hasn't failed yet that the drugs

I'm taking DO begin to fail at some point. If we could find

something that won't allow resistance to be built, that would be

fantastic.

penny

p.s. I mistakenly said that it's not a bacteriacidal drug, and meant

to say it's not 'bacteriostatic'. But it IS a completely new way of

killing the bugs from what I understand. It's even supposed to work

against some cancer cells!?!

<jenbooks13@h...> wrote:

> p.s. penny...geez...if you'd told us about this a few weeks ago,

we

> could've tripled our money.

> The stock has gone from about a dollar to three dollars...probably

> because of recent news.

>

> but you were on vacation! bad on you!

> i'll do some more research. thanx.

[Guest guest]

Oh, I thought your doc had already talked to the CEO and could get

it? I *would* be kind of surprised there as they could get in trouble

if they subvert the long and regular process of bringing a drug

through trials to human use. ANd often they do start topically with

these new approaches. Somebody like should SKIP THE LYME

CONFERENCE and go to the microbiology conference in New Orleans. I

looked through all the abstracts and was half tempted myself, because

I could meet people there that I might liaison with, but then again,

why would they work on my ideas and I already have enough ideas to

keep me occupied. I'm real excited because after about six months of

dickering around to get to agreements, we've got our agreements and

we'll try to make the first product. I have another idea for a second

one. But my third idea I fear is a bust unless I can get something to

bind to borrelia which I now think I can't. Very disappointing.

HORRIBLE. On the other hand it probably WOULD work for babesia.

Anyway, off topic but one has to think the stock was shorted down

before the announcement on July 22, in order for some people to make

big gains (people never notice these little biotechs, they're all

buying google and so happy with a triple there, but htis was also a

triple and in just a few weeks not a year). That is a bit of a

concern only in that there can be such dilution that these biotechs

have a hard time getting to where they need to go simply because of

$. Even if the idea is good.

> > p.s. penny...geez...if you'd told us about this a few weeks ago,

> we

> > could've tripled our money.

> > The stock has gone from about a dollar to three

dollars...probably

> > because of recent news.

> >

> > but you were on vacation! bad on you!

> > i'll do some more research. thanx.

[Guest guest]

No, it's another doctor, who has lyme disease who spoke with the

CEO. I have a copy of his letter, but don't want to post it as it's

private. The jist is, people are using this drug already under an

experimental designation. Just have to find out how to qualify for

that. Didn't sound difficult. Let us know what you find out, or if I

find out first (next month I see my own doc again), I'll let you

know. Currently, I'm on a good protocol, so I don't feel any urgency.

penny

> > > p.s. penny...geez...if you'd told us about this a few weeks

ago,

> > we

> > > could've tripled our money.

> > > The stock has gone from about a dollar to three

> dollars...probably

> > > because of recent news.

> > >

> > > but you were on vacation! bad on you!

> > > i'll do some more research. thanx.

[Guest guest]

Yowzee. Do it for all of us who suffer, we feel the urgency!

Please...if your doctor has a connection. Or email me privately if

you don't mind. I will call too but I'm not linked in any way to the

company. The very appealing thing to me here is, I can't take much

antibiotics because as I said the fungal effects are horrible. My gut

gets totally inflamed, even to the point of ulceration sometimes, and

my sinuses and ears totally stuffed, and I can't even eat a single

molecule of carbs without reacting. But this one kills candida also!

TIA...

> > > > p.s. penny...geez...if you'd told us about this a few weeks

> ago,

> > > we

> > > > could've tripled our money.

> > > > The stock has gone from about a dollar to three

> > dollars...probably

> > > > because of recent news.

> > > >

> > > > but you were on vacation! bad on you!

> > > > i'll do some more research. thanx.

[Guest guest]

Yes, of course I'll share anything I learn. My friend is also

pursuing this with my doctor and is communicating with the other

doctor, so she may figure something out first, and I'll pass it

along.

However, I'm basically cautious in everything these days, after the

huge fiasco with " you know who " that ended me up in court. I'm much

more inclined to take a wait-and-see approach before jumping on

anything. I especially want to be sure that I'm dealing with people

of integrity (and mental health is kind of important too), before

taking chances on anyone or any company making big claims.

penny

> > > > > p.s. penny...geez...if you'd told us about this a few

weeks

> > ago,

> > > > we

> > > > > could've tripled our money.

> > > > > The stock has gone from about a dollar to three

> > > dollars...probably

> > > > > because of recent news.

> > > > >

> > > > > but you were on vacation! bad on you!

> > > > > i'll do some more research. thanx.

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I don't know all that much about the broua ha ha just a bit

here and there as I never was participating in the marshall protocol.

I did talk to the CEO and did pubmed searches last night on microbial

peptides and maybe ERic will help, I asked him to try and find

something for me or I'll try myself (my proxy server to get into the

university library was not working yesterday)

You can email me privately--be sure my email isn't blocked as I sent

you one. Could you check your blocking list and take mine off if it

is (jenbooks13@...)

I guess this whole field is pretty interesting though when and where

and how is always a question.

Meanwhile I've been researching artemisinin vs riamet etc. Seems to

me if you took arteminisin every 3-4 hours you might be okay. It has

a very short half life. So if people take it twice a day...their

blood levels will only kill babesia for a few hours.

> > > > > > p.s. penny...geez...if you'd told us about this a few

> weeks

> > > ago,

> > > > > we

> > > > > > could've tripled our money.

> > > > > > The stock has gone from about a dollar to three

> > > > dollars...probably

> > > > > > because of recent news.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > but you were on vacation! bad on you!

> > > > > > i'll do some more research. thanx.