Guest guest Posted July 30, 2005 Report Share Posted July 30, 2005 Thanks Penny Like many my current health problems were triggered by oral surgery (infections involved) and neck trauma. I did have some pencillin 24 years ago when all this started but just two short courses at standard doses, at that time they had no effect but a different class of ab did. I will be talking to my Lyme and ME/CFS literate doctor next month and these issues were part of what I wanted to discuss with him. No chance of a scan through our NHS, it took 24 years and persistence just to get a funded cervical spine MRI, that explained some of my non infections based disability. Cheers, Tansy > Here are 2 articles on Actinomycosis. A very destructive, bone > eating bacteria that for many many years was thought to be a fungus > (hence the mycosis ending). A lot of docs still mistakenly assume > it's a fungus. A friend of mine recently, as a last resort, went to > a cancer specialist who routinely works with head and neck cancer > and he discovered that she was full of actino wormholing it's way > through her sinuses and jaw. He said he sees this all the time, and > isn't surprised, but that actino is very hard to detect or culture, > so most docs are oblivious. And, interestingly, Actinomycosis looks > much the same as lyme disease does on PCR testing. Acording to my > friend, when she talked to IGenex a couple years back, they told her > that it would be quite possible to confuse actino with lyme > organisms in PCR testing. Whether this still holds true, I don't > know, but I think it would make sense to find out, especially when > you read below how many areas Actino affects, and how difficult it > is to treat. > > It's also interesting that one of Actino's forms likes the lungs and > that it produces a granulomatous immune response. Perhaps it's the > cause of Sarcoidosis? It also can cause Pelvic disease in women, > tonsil problems, can affect the brain, etc. And debridement of the > jaw and sinuses is not, according to this cancer specialist, a good > way to go, because you will just keep debriding until there's no > bone left. > > Actino is probably most commonly introduced through dental or bone > trauma or even tissue injury (I'm thinking how many people seem > inexplicably stricken with CFS after a whip lash type injury). > > Actino apparently responds best to penicillin G, but treatment can > last a year or more. This is what my friend is currently doing. > Augmentin is also a drug that sometimes is beneficial. > > This is an organism that I think people should really be looking at > as a possible culprit in their illnesses. > > penny > > Actinomycosis is a subacute-to-chronic bacterial infection caused by > filamentous, gram-positive, anaerobic-to-microaerophilic bacteria > that are not acid fast. It is characterized by contiguous spread, > suppurative and granulomatous inflammatory reaction, and formation > of multiple abscesses and sinus tracts that discharge sulfur > granules. The most common clinical forms of actinomycosis are > cervicofacial (ie, lumpy jaw), thoracic, and abdominal. In women, > pelvic actinomycosis is common. > > Pathophysiology: The actinomycetes are prominent among the normal > flora of the oral cavity and less prominent in the lower > gastrointestinal tract and female genital tract. As these > microorganisms are not virulent, they require a break in the > integrity of the mucous membranes and the presence of devitalized > tissue to invade deeper body structures and cause human illness. > > Furthermore, actinomycosis generally is a polymicrobial infection, > with isolates numbering as many as 5-10 bacterial species. > Establishment of human infection may require the presence of such > companion bacteria, which participate in the production of infection > by elaborating a toxin or enzyme or by inhibiting host defenses. > These companion bacteria appear to act as copathogens that enhance > the relatively low invasive power of actinomycetes. Specifically, > they are responsible for the early manifestations of the infection > and for treatment failures. > > Once infection is established, the host mounts an intense > inflammatory (ie, suppurative, granulomatous) response, and fibrosis > develops subsequently. Infection typically spreads contiguously, > frequently ignoring tissue planes and invading surrounding tissues > or organs. Ultimately, the infection produces draining sinus tracts. > Hematogenous dissemination to distant organs may occur in any stage > of the infection, whereas lymphatic dissemination is unusual. > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis is the most common manifestation, > comprising 50-70% of reported cases. Infection typically occurs > following oral surgery or in patients with poor dental hygiene. This > form of actinomycosis is characterized in the initial stages by soft- > tissue swelling of the perimandibular area. Direct spread into the > adjacent tissues occurs over time, along with development of > fistulas that discharge purulent material containing yellow (ie, > sulfur) granules. Invasion of the cranium or the bloodstream may > occur if the disease is left untreated. > > Thoracic actinomycosis > > Thoracic actinomycosis accounts for 15-20% of cases. Aspiration of > oropharyngeal secretions containing actinomycetes is the usual > mechanism of infection. Occasionally, thoracic actinomycosis may > result from the introduction of organisms via esophageal > perforation, by direct spread from an actinomycotic process of the > neck or abdomen, or via hematogenous spread from a distant lesion. > Thoracic actinomycosis commonly presents as a pulmonary infiltrate > or mass, which, if left untreated, can spread to involve the pleura, > pericardium, and chest wall, ultimately leading to the formation of > sinuses that discharge sulfur granules. > > Actinomycosis of the abdomen and pelvis > > Actinomycosis of the abdomen and pelvis accounts for 10-20% of > reported cases. Typically, patients have a history of recent or > remote bowel surgery (eg, perforated acute appendicitis, perforated > colonic diverticulitis following trauma to the abdomen) or ingestion > of foreign bodies (eg, chicken or fish bones), during which > actinomycetes is introduced into the deep tissues. The ileocecal > region is involved most frequently, and the disease presents > classically as a slowly growing tumor. Involvement of any abdominal > organ, including the abdominal wall, can occur by direct spread, > with eventual formation of draining sinuses. Actinomycosis of the > pelvis most commonly occurs by the ascending route from the uterus > in association with intrauterine contraceptive devices (IUCDs). In > such cases, an IUCD has been in place for an average of 8 years. > > Frequency: > > In the US: Actinomycosis is a rare infection. During the 1970s, the > reported annual incidence in the Cleveland area was 1 case per > 300,000. Improved dental hygiene and widespread use of antibiotics > for various infections probably have contributed to the declining > incidence of this disease. > Internationally: Actinomycosis occurs worldwide, with likely higher > prevalence rates in areas with low socioeconomic status and poor > dental hygiene. > Mortality/Morbidity: The availability of antibiotics has greatly > improved the prognosis for all forms of actinomycosis. At present, > cure rates are high and neither deformity nor death is common. > > Race: No racial predilection exists. > > Sex: For unknown reasons, men are affected more commonly than women, > with the exception of pelvic actinomycosis. The reported male-to- > female ratio is 3:1. > > Age: Actinomycosis can affect people of all ages, but the majority > of cases are reported in young to middle-aged adults (aged 20-50 y). > > http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic31.htm > > > > Actinomycosis > > Definition of Actinomycosis > Actinomycosis is an infection caused by a bacterium called > Actinomyces israelii (A. israelii). > > Description of Actinomycosis > Actinomycosis (also known as Rivalta disease, big jaw, clams, lumpy > jaw or wooden tongue) is an infection, commonly of the face and > neck, that produces abscesses (collections of pus) and open- draining > sinuses (tracts in the skin). > > Actinomycosis is caused by a bacterium called Actinomyces israelii > (A. israelii). It occurs normally in the mouth and tonsils. This > bacterium may cause infection when it is introduced into the soft > tissues by trauma, surgery or another infection. Once in the > tissues, it may form an abscess that develops into a hard red to > reddish purple lump. When the abscess breaks through the skin, it > forms pus-discharging lesions. > > There are at least five (5) types of actinomycosis: > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis occurs in the mouth, neck and head > region. The bacterium enters through the periodontium (the tissues > surrounding and supporting the teeth), soft tissue wounds or > salivary gland ducts. It is believed that infection may arise after > a tooth extraction, from tooth decay or abscess, as a part of > periodontal disease, from a nonpenetrating jaw trauma, poor dental > hygiene, or mucosal injuries. > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis develops slowly. The area becomes hard, > the overlying skin becomes reddish and swelling appears in the mouth > and neck. Abscesses develop within and eventually drain to the > surface where sulfur granules (yellowish gray masses), masses of > filamentous (long, threadlike structure) organisms, may be found in > the pus. > > Thoracic actinomycosis involves the lungs and mediastinum (region > between the two lungs). The disease begins with fever, cough, and > sputum production. The patient becomes weak, loses weight and may > have night sweats and shortness of breath. Multiple sinuses may > extend through the chest wall, to the heart, or into the abdominal > cavity. Ribs may be involved. Occasionally, cervicofacial and > thoracic disease may result in nervous system complications - most > commonly brain abscesses or meningitis. > > Abdominal actinomycosis are mostly preceded by surgery such as > laparotomy for acute appendicitis, perforated ulcer, or gallbladder > inflammation. Infection usually begins in the gastrointestinal tract > and spreads to the abdominal wall. Spiking fever and chills, > intestinal colic, vomiting, and weight loss, a palpable (can be > felt) mass and an external sinus are evident in this type of > actinomycosis. This type of actinomycosis may be mistaken for > Crohn's disease, malignancy, tuberculosis, Amebiasis (an infection > of the intestine or liver), or chronic appendicitis. > > Pelvic actinomycosis affects the women's pelvic area and may cause > lower abdominal pain, fever, and bleeding between menstrual periods. > This form of the infection has been associated with the use of IUDs > (intra-uterine devices) that do not contain copper. > > Generalized actinomycosis may involve the skin, brain, liver and > urogenital system. > > Diagnosis of Actinomycosis > Actinomycosis may be hard to diagnose at onset. There are lab tests > that may isolate actinomyces in pus or tissue specimens. > > Treatment of Actinomycosis > Treatment for actinomycosis is long term, generally with up to one > month of intravenous penicillin G, followed by weeks to months of > penicillin taken by mouth. Additionally, surgical excision and > drainage of abscesses may be necessary. > > http://www.healthscout.com/ency/68/258/main.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2005 Report Share Posted July 30, 2005 Hi Penny: How did the doc dx actino...thru scans or did he take a biopsy? Tx, > Here are 2 articles on Actinomycosis. A very destructive, bone > eating bacteria that for many many years was thought to be a fungus > (hence the mycosis ending). A lot of docs still mistakenly assume > it's a fungus. A friend of mine recently, as a last resort, went to > a cancer specialist who routinely works with head and neck cancer > and he discovered that she was full of actino wormholing it's way > through her sinuses and jaw. He said he sees this all the time, and > isn't surprised, but that actino is very hard to detect or culture, > so most docs are oblivious. And, interestingly, Actinomycosis looks > much the same as lyme disease does on PCR testing. Acording to my > friend, when she talked to IGenex a couple years back, they told her > that it would be quite possible to confuse actino with lyme > organisms in PCR testing. Whether this still holds true, I don't > know, but I think it would make sense to find out, especially when > you read below how many areas Actino affects, and how difficult it > is to treat. > > It's also interesting that one of Actino's forms likes the lungs and > that it produces a granulomatous immune response. Perhaps it's the > cause of Sarcoidosis? It also can cause Pelvic disease in women, > tonsil problems, can affect the brain, etc. And debridement of the > jaw and sinuses is not, according to this cancer specialist, a good > way to go, because you will just keep debriding until there's no > bone left. > > Actino is probably most commonly introduced through dental or bone > trauma or even tissue injury (I'm thinking how many people seem > inexplicably stricken with CFS after a whip lash type injury). > > Actino apparently responds best to penicillin G, but treatment can > last a year or more. This is what my friend is currently doing. > Augmentin is also a drug that sometimes is beneficial. > > This is an organism that I think people should really be looking at > as a possible culprit in their illnesses. > > penny > > Actinomycosis is a subacute-to-chronic bacterial infection caused by > filamentous, gram-positive, anaerobic-to-microaerophilic bacteria > that are not acid fast. It is characterized by contiguous spread, > suppurative and granulomatous inflammatory reaction, and formation > of multiple abscesses and sinus tracts that discharge sulfur > granules. The most common clinical forms of actinomycosis are > cervicofacial (ie, lumpy jaw), thoracic, and abdominal. In women, > pelvic actinomycosis is common. > > Pathophysiology: The actinomycetes are prominent among the normal > flora of the oral cavity and less prominent in the lower > gastrointestinal tract and female genital tract. As these > microorganisms are not virulent, they require a break in the > integrity of the mucous membranes and the presence of devitalized > tissue to invade deeper body structures and cause human illness. > > Furthermore, actinomycosis generally is a polymicrobial infection, > with isolates numbering as many as 5-10 bacterial species. > Establishment of human infection may require the presence of such > companion bacteria, which participate in the production of infection > by elaborating a toxin or enzyme or by inhibiting host defenses. > These companion bacteria appear to act as copathogens that enhance > the relatively low invasive power of actinomycetes. Specifically, > they are responsible for the early manifestations of the infection > and for treatment failures. > > Once infection is established, the host mounts an intense > inflammatory (ie, suppurative, granulomatous) response, and fibrosis > develops subsequently. Infection typically spreads contiguously, > frequently ignoring tissue planes and invading surrounding tissues > or organs. Ultimately, the infection produces draining sinus tracts. > Hematogenous dissemination to distant organs may occur in any stage > of the infection, whereas lymphatic dissemination is unusual. > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis is the most common manifestation, > comprising 50-70% of reported cases. Infection typically occurs > following oral surgery or in patients with poor dental hygiene. This > form of actinomycosis is characterized in the initial stages by soft- > tissue swelling of the perimandibular area. Direct spread into the > adjacent tissues occurs over time, along with development of > fistulas that discharge purulent material containing yellow (ie, > sulfur) granules. Invasion of the cranium or the bloodstream may > occur if the disease is left untreated. > > Thoracic actinomycosis > > Thoracic actinomycosis accounts for 15-20% of cases. Aspiration of > oropharyngeal secretions containing actinomycetes is the usual > mechanism of infection. Occasionally, thoracic actinomycosis may > result from the introduction of organisms via esophageal > perforation, by direct spread from an actinomycotic process of the > neck or abdomen, or via hematogenous spread from a distant lesion. > Thoracic actinomycosis commonly presents as a pulmonary infiltrate > or mass, which, if left untreated, can spread to involve the pleura, > pericardium, and chest wall, ultimately leading to the formation of > sinuses that discharge sulfur granules. > > Actinomycosis of the abdomen and pelvis > > Actinomycosis of the abdomen and pelvis accounts for 10-20% of > reported cases. Typically, patients have a history of recent or > remote bowel surgery (eg, perforated acute appendicitis, perforated > colonic diverticulitis following trauma to the abdomen) or ingestion > of foreign bodies (eg, chicken or fish bones), during which > actinomycetes is introduced into the deep tissues. The ileocecal > region is involved most frequently, and the disease presents > classically as a slowly growing tumor. Involvement of any abdominal > organ, including the abdominal wall, can occur by direct spread, > with eventual formation of draining sinuses. Actinomycosis of the > pelvis most commonly occurs by the ascending route from the uterus > in association with intrauterine contraceptive devices (IUCDs). In > such cases, an IUCD has been in place for an average of 8 years. > > Frequency: > > In the US: Actinomycosis is a rare infection. During the 1970s, the > reported annual incidence in the Cleveland area was 1 case per > 300,000. Improved dental hygiene and widespread use of antibiotics > for various infections probably have contributed to the declining > incidence of this disease. > Internationally: Actinomycosis occurs worldwide, with likely higher > prevalence rates in areas with low socioeconomic status and poor > dental hygiene. > Mortality/Morbidity: The availability of antibiotics has greatly > improved the prognosis for all forms of actinomycosis. At present, > cure rates are high and neither deformity nor death is common. > > Race: No racial predilection exists. > > Sex: For unknown reasons, men are affected more commonly than women, > with the exception of pelvic actinomycosis. The reported male-to- > female ratio is 3:1. > > Age: Actinomycosis can affect people of all ages, but the majority > of cases are reported in young to middle-aged adults (aged 20-50 y). > > http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic31.htm > > > > Actinomycosis > > Definition of Actinomycosis > Actinomycosis is an infection caused by a bacterium called > Actinomyces israelii (A. israelii). > > Description of Actinomycosis > Actinomycosis (also known as Rivalta disease, big jaw, clams, lumpy > jaw or wooden tongue) is an infection, commonly of the face and > neck, that produces abscesses (collections of pus) and open- draining > sinuses (tracts in the skin). > > Actinomycosis is caused by a bacterium called Actinomyces israelii > (A. israelii). It occurs normally in the mouth and tonsils. This > bacterium may cause infection when it is introduced into the soft > tissues by trauma, surgery or another infection. Once in the > tissues, it may form an abscess that develops into a hard red to > reddish purple lump. When the abscess breaks through the skin, it > forms pus-discharging lesions. > > There are at least five (5) types of actinomycosis: > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis occurs in the mouth, neck and head > region. The bacterium enters through the periodontium (the tissues > surrounding and supporting the teeth), soft tissue wounds or > salivary gland ducts. It is believed that infection may arise after > a tooth extraction, from tooth decay or abscess, as a part of > periodontal disease, from a nonpenetrating jaw trauma, poor dental > hygiene, or mucosal injuries. > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis develops slowly. The area becomes hard, > the overlying skin becomes reddish and swelling appears in the mouth > and neck. Abscesses develop within and eventually drain to the > surface where sulfur granules (yellowish gray masses), masses of > filamentous (long, threadlike structure) organisms, may be found in > the pus. > > Thoracic actinomycosis involves the lungs and mediastinum (region > between the two lungs). The disease begins with fever, cough, and > sputum production. The patient becomes weak, loses weight and may > have night sweats and shortness of breath. Multiple sinuses may > extend through the chest wall, to the heart, or into the abdominal > cavity. Ribs may be involved. Occasionally, cervicofacial and > thoracic disease may result in nervous system complications - most > commonly brain abscesses or meningitis. > > Abdominal actinomycosis are mostly preceded by surgery such as > laparotomy for acute appendicitis, perforated ulcer, or gallbladder > inflammation. Infection usually begins in the gastrointestinal tract > and spreads to the abdominal wall. Spiking fever and chills, > intestinal colic, vomiting, and weight loss, a palpable (can be > felt) mass and an external sinus are evident in this type of > actinomycosis. This type of actinomycosis may be mistaken for > Crohn's disease, malignancy, tuberculosis, Amebiasis (an infection > of the intestine or liver), or chronic appendicitis. > > Pelvic actinomycosis affects the women's pelvic area and may cause > lower abdominal pain, fever, and bleeding between menstrual periods. > This form of the infection has been associated with the use of IUDs > (intra-uterine devices) that do not contain copper. > > Generalized actinomycosis may involve the skin, brain, liver and > urogenital system. > > Diagnosis of Actinomycosis > Actinomycosis may be hard to diagnose at onset. There are lab tests > that may isolate actinomyces in pus or tissue specimens. > > Treatment of Actinomycosis > Treatment for actinomycosis is long term, generally with up to one > month of intravenous penicillin G, followed by weeks to months of > penicillin taken by mouth. Additionally, surgical excision and > drainage of abscesses may be necessary. > > http://www.healthscout.com/ency/68/258/main.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2005 Report Share Posted July 30, 2005 She had very good scans which she took to the cancer specialist, who used them to guide a miniscule camera up through her nose where he was able to capture photos of the pus draining and recognized it from previous experience as actinomyces. He also took samples for culture (a time/heat sensitive situation), and put her on penicillin G. and said it's a long term treatment. Unfortunately, the prognosis is not so great for her because there's been so much structural damage done already with bad debridement surgeries. He may have no choice but to go in with a very fine instrument and gently " sweep " the damaged areas to eradicate the dead material that blocks effective treatment, then treat with topical and follow up abx, but he's pretty adamant that more standard debridement is a very bad idea. This probably explains why so many people who get treated for Osteonecrosis or Osteomyelitis of the jaw and also people who have their sinuses reamed out, don't get better. It's upsetting how many people are being treated using bad scans and surgery w/o proper abx treatment. A simple jaw scan like you get in a dental office, or especially the controversial Cavitat scan, IMO, is not adequate or reliable enough to make such major treatment decisions. You need someone who really knows how to do a full scan of the sinuses and jaw to see where infection may be feeding back and forth to know how to treat effectively. My personal opinion is to never let an average dentist or ENT convince you that surgery is the answer, without LOTS of diagnostic info to support that claim. penny > > Here are 2 articles on Actinomycosis. A very destructive, bone > > eating bacteria that for many many years was thought to be a > fungus > > (hence the mycosis ending). A lot of docs still mistakenly assume > > it's a fungus. A friend of mine recently, as a last resort, went > to > > a cancer specialist who routinely works with head and neck cancer > > and he discovered that she was full of actino wormholing it's way > > through her sinuses and jaw. He said he sees this all the time, > and > > isn't surprised, but that actino is very hard to detect or > culture, > > so most docs are oblivious. And, interestingly, Actinomycosis > looks > > much the same as lyme disease does on PCR testing. Acording to my > > friend, when she talked to IGenex a couple years back, they told > her > > that it would be quite possible to confuse actino with lyme > > organisms in PCR testing. Whether this still holds true, I don't > > know, but I think it would make sense to find out, especially when > > you read below how many areas Actino affects, and how difficult it > > is to treat. > > > > It's also interesting that one of Actino's forms likes the lungs > and > > that it produces a granulomatous immune response. Perhaps it's the > > cause of Sarcoidosis? It also can cause Pelvic disease in women, > > tonsil problems, can affect the brain, etc. And debridement of the > > jaw and sinuses is not, according to this cancer specialist, a > good > > way to go, because you will just keep debriding until there's no > > bone left. > > > > Actino is probably most commonly introduced through dental or bone > > trauma or even tissue injury (I'm thinking how many people seem > > inexplicably stricken with CFS after a whip lash type injury). > > > > Actino apparently responds best to penicillin G, but treatment can > > last a year or more. This is what my friend is currently doing. > > Augmentin is also a drug that sometimes is beneficial. > > > > This is an organism that I think people should really be looking > at > > as a possible culprit in their illnesses. > > > > penny > > > > Actinomycosis is a subacute-to-chronic bacterial infection caused > by > > filamentous, gram-positive, anaerobic-to-microaerophilic bacteria > > that are not acid fast. It is characterized by contiguous spread, > > suppurative and granulomatous inflammatory reaction, and formation > > of multiple abscesses and sinus tracts that discharge sulfur > > granules. The most common clinical forms of actinomycosis are > > cervicofacial (ie, lumpy jaw), thoracic, and abdominal. In women, > > pelvic actinomycosis is common. > > > > Pathophysiology: The actinomycetes are prominent among the normal > > flora of the oral cavity and less prominent in the lower > > gastrointestinal tract and female genital tract. As these > > microorganisms are not virulent, they require a break in the > > integrity of the mucous membranes and the presence of devitalized > > tissue to invade deeper body structures and cause human illness. > > > > Furthermore, actinomycosis generally is a polymicrobial infection, > > with isolates numbering as many as 5-10 bacterial species. > > Establishment of human infection may require the presence of such > > companion bacteria, which participate in the production of > infection > > by elaborating a toxin or enzyme or by inhibiting host defenses. > > These companion bacteria appear to act as copathogens that enhance > > the relatively low invasive power of actinomycetes. Specifically, > > they are responsible for the early manifestations of the infection > > and for treatment failures. > > > > Once infection is established, the host mounts an intense > > inflammatory (ie, suppurative, granulomatous) response, and > fibrosis > > develops subsequently. Infection typically spreads contiguously, > > frequently ignoring tissue planes and invading surrounding tissues > > or organs. Ultimately, the infection produces draining sinus > tracts. > > Hematogenous dissemination to distant organs may occur in any > stage > > of the infection, whereas lymphatic dissemination is unusual. > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis is the most common manifestation, > > comprising 50-70% of reported cases. Infection typically occurs > > following oral surgery or in patients with poor dental hygiene. > This > > form of actinomycosis is characterized in the initial stages by > soft- > > tissue swelling of the perimandibular area. Direct spread into the > > adjacent tissues occurs over time, along with development of > > fistulas that discharge purulent material containing yellow (ie, > > sulfur) granules. Invasion of the cranium or the bloodstream may > > occur if the disease is left untreated. > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis accounts for 15-20% of cases. Aspiration of > > oropharyngeal secretions containing actinomycetes is the usual > > mechanism of infection. Occasionally, thoracic actinomycosis may > > result from the introduction of organisms via esophageal > > perforation, by direct spread from an actinomycotic process of the > > neck or abdomen, or via hematogenous spread from a distant lesion. > > Thoracic actinomycosis commonly presents as a pulmonary infiltrate > > or mass, which, if left untreated, can spread to involve the > pleura, > > pericardium, and chest wall, ultimately leading to the formation > of > > sinuses that discharge sulfur granules. > > > > Actinomycosis of the abdomen and pelvis > > > > Actinomycosis of the abdomen and pelvis accounts for 10-20% of > > reported cases. Typically, patients have a history of recent or > > remote bowel surgery (eg, perforated acute appendicitis, > perforated > > colonic diverticulitis following trauma to the abdomen) or > ingestion > > of foreign bodies (eg, chicken or fish bones), during which > > actinomycetes is introduced into the deep tissues. The ileocecal > > region is involved most frequently, and the disease presents > > classically as a slowly growing tumor. Involvement of any > abdominal > > organ, including the abdominal wall, can occur by direct spread, > > with eventual formation of draining sinuses. Actinomycosis of the > > pelvis most commonly occurs by the ascending route from the uterus > > in association with intrauterine contraceptive devices (IUCDs). In > > such cases, an IUCD has been in place for an average of 8 years. > > > > Frequency: > > > > In the US: Actinomycosis is a rare infection. During the 1970s, > the > > reported annual incidence in the Cleveland area was 1 case per > > 300,000. Improved dental hygiene and widespread use of antibiotics > > for various infections probably have contributed to the declining > > incidence of this disease. > > Internationally: Actinomycosis occurs worldwide, with likely > higher > > prevalence rates in areas with low socioeconomic status and poor > > dental hygiene. > > Mortality/Morbidity: The availability of antibiotics has greatly > > improved the prognosis for all forms of actinomycosis. At present, > > cure rates are high and neither deformity nor death is common. > > > > Race: No racial predilection exists. > > > > Sex: For unknown reasons, men are affected more commonly than > women, > > with the exception of pelvic actinomycosis. The reported male-to- > > female ratio is 3:1. > > > > Age: Actinomycosis can affect people of all ages, but the majority > > of cases are reported in young to middle-aged adults (aged 20-50 > y). > > > > http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic31.htm > > > > > > > > Actinomycosis > > > > Definition of Actinomycosis > > Actinomycosis is an infection caused by a bacterium called > > Actinomyces israelii (A. israelii). > > > > Description of Actinomycosis > > Actinomycosis (also known as Rivalta disease, big jaw, clams, > lumpy > > jaw or wooden tongue) is an infection, commonly of the face and > > neck, that produces abscesses (collections of pus) and open- > draining > > sinuses (tracts in the skin). > > > > Actinomycosis is caused by a bacterium called Actinomyces israelii > > (A. israelii). It occurs normally in the mouth and tonsils. This > > bacterium may cause infection when it is introduced into the soft > > tissues by trauma, surgery or another infection. Once in the > > tissues, it may form an abscess that develops into a hard red to > > reddish purple lump. When the abscess breaks through the skin, it > > forms pus-discharging lesions. > > > > There are at least five (5) types of actinomycosis: > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis occurs in the mouth, neck and head > > region. The bacterium enters through the periodontium (the tissues > > surrounding and supporting the teeth), soft tissue wounds or > > salivary gland ducts. It is believed that infection may arise > after > > a tooth extraction, from tooth decay or abscess, as a part of > > periodontal disease, from a nonpenetrating jaw trauma, poor dental > > hygiene, or mucosal injuries. > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis develops slowly. The area becomes > hard, > > the overlying skin becomes reddish and swelling appears in the > mouth > > and neck. Abscesses develop within and eventually drain to the > > surface where sulfur granules (yellowish gray masses), masses of > > filamentous (long, threadlike structure) organisms, may be found > in > > the pus. > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis involves the lungs and mediastinum (region > > between the two lungs). The disease begins with fever, cough, and > > sputum production. The patient becomes weak, loses weight and may > > have night sweats and shortness of breath. Multiple sinuses may > > extend through the chest wall, to the heart, or into the abdominal > > cavity. Ribs may be involved. Occasionally, cervicofacial and > > thoracic disease may result in nervous system complications - most > > commonly brain abscesses or meningitis. > > > > Abdominal actinomycosis are mostly preceded by surgery such as > > laparotomy for acute appendicitis, perforated ulcer, or > gallbladder > > inflammation. Infection usually begins in the gastrointestinal > tract > > and spreads to the abdominal wall. Spiking fever and chills, > > intestinal colic, vomiting, and weight loss, a palpable (can be > > felt) mass and an external sinus are evident in this type of > > actinomycosis. This type of actinomycosis may be mistaken for > > Crohn's disease, malignancy, tuberculosis, Amebiasis (an infection > > of the intestine or liver), or chronic appendicitis. > > > > Pelvic actinomycosis affects the women's pelvic area and may cause > > lower abdominal pain, fever, and bleeding between menstrual > periods. > > This form of the infection has been associated with the use of > IUDs > > (intra-uterine devices) that do not contain copper. > > > > Generalized actinomycosis may involve the skin, brain, liver and > > urogenital system. > > > > Diagnosis of Actinomycosis > > Actinomycosis may be hard to diagnose at onset. There are lab > tests > > that may isolate actinomyces in pus or tissue specimens. > > > > Treatment of Actinomycosis > > Treatment for actinomycosis is long term, generally with up to one > > month of intravenous penicillin G, followed by weeks to months of > > penicillin taken by mouth. Additionally, surgical excision and > > drainage of abscesses may be necessary. > > > > http://www.healthscout.com/ency/68/258/main.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Will someone clear up for me the difference between penicillin G and penicillin VK, I believe one web site says VK was the drug of choice for actino. thanks jimd --- lgrasso_hawaii <lgrasso_hawaii@...> wrote: > Hi Penny: > > How did the doc dx actino...thru scans or did he > take a biopsy? > > Tx, > > > Here are 2 articles on Actinomycosis. A very > destructive, bone > > eating bacteria that for many many years was > thought to be a > fungus > > (hence the mycosis ending). A lot of docs still > mistakenly assume > > it's a fungus. A friend of mine recently, as a > last resort, went > to > > a cancer specialist who routinely works with head > and neck cancer > > and he discovered that she was full of actino > wormholing it's way > > through her sinuses and jaw. He said he sees this > all the time, > and > > isn't surprised, but that actino is very hard to > detect or > culture, > > so most docs are oblivious. And, interestingly, > Actinomycosis > looks > > much the same as lyme disease does on PCR testing. > Acording to my > > friend, when she talked to IGenex a couple years > back, they told > her > > that it would be quite possible to confuse actino > with lyme > > organisms in PCR testing. Whether this still holds > true, I don't > > know, but I think it would make sense to find out, > especially when > > you read below how many areas Actino affects, and > how difficult it > > is to treat. > > > > It's also interesting that one of Actino's forms > likes the lungs > and > > that it produces a granulomatous immune response. > Perhaps it's the > > cause of Sarcoidosis? It also can cause Pelvic > disease in women, > > tonsil problems, can affect the brain, etc. And > debridement of the > > jaw and sinuses is not, according to this cancer > specialist, a > good > > way to go, because you will just keep debriding > until there's no > > bone left. > > > > Actino is probably most commonly introduced > through dental or bone > > trauma or even tissue injury (I'm thinking how > many people seem > > inexplicably stricken with CFS after a whip lash > type injury). > > > > Actino apparently responds best to penicillin G, > but treatment can > > last a year or more. This is what my friend is > currently doing. > > Augmentin is also a drug that sometimes is > beneficial. > > > > This is an organism that I think people should > really be looking > at > > as a possible culprit in their illnesses. > > > > penny > > > > Actinomycosis is a subacute-to-chronic bacterial > infection caused > by > > filamentous, gram-positive, > anaerobic-to-microaerophilic bacteria > > that are not acid fast. It is characterized by > contiguous spread, > > suppurative and granulomatous inflammatory > reaction, and formation > > of multiple abscesses and sinus tracts that > discharge sulfur > > granules. The most common clinical forms of > actinomycosis are > > cervicofacial (ie, lumpy jaw), thoracic, and > abdominal. In women, > > pelvic actinomycosis is common. > > > > Pathophysiology: The actinomycetes are prominent > among the normal > > flora of the oral cavity and less prominent in the > lower > > gastrointestinal tract and female genital tract. > As these > > microorganisms are not virulent, they require a > break in the > > integrity of the mucous membranes and the presence > of devitalized > > tissue to invade deeper body structures and cause > human illness. > > > > Furthermore, actinomycosis generally is a > polymicrobial infection, > > with isolates numbering as many as 5-10 bacterial > species. > > Establishment of human infection may require the > presence of such > > companion bacteria, which participate in the > production of > infection > > by elaborating a toxin or enzyme or by inhibiting > host defenses. > > These companion bacteria appear to act as > copathogens that enhance > > the relatively low invasive power of > actinomycetes. Specifically, > > they are responsible for the early manifestations > of the infection > > and for treatment failures. > > > > Once infection is established, the host mounts an > intense > > inflammatory (ie, suppurative, granulomatous) > response, and > fibrosis > > develops subsequently. Infection typically spreads > contiguously, > > frequently ignoring tissue planes and invading > surrounding tissues > > or organs. Ultimately, the infection produces > draining sinus > tracts. > > Hematogenous dissemination to distant organs may > occur in any > stage > > of the infection, whereas lymphatic dissemination > is unusual. > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis is the most common > manifestation, > > comprising 50-70% of reported cases. Infection > typically occurs > > following oral surgery or in patients with poor > dental hygiene. > This > > form of actinomycosis is characterized in the > initial stages by > soft- > > tissue swelling of the perimandibular area. Direct > spread into the > > adjacent tissues occurs over time, along with > development of > > fistulas that discharge purulent material > containing yellow (ie, > > sulfur) granules. Invasion of the cranium or the > bloodstream may > > occur if the disease is left untreated. > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis accounts for 15-20% of > cases. Aspiration of > > oropharyngeal secretions containing actinomycetes > is the usual > > mechanism of infection. Occasionally, thoracic > actinomycosis may > > result from the introduction of organisms via > esophageal > > perforation, by direct spread from an > actinomycotic process of the > > neck or abdomen, or via hematogenous spread from a > distant lesion. > > Thoracic actinomycosis commonly presents as a > pulmonary infiltrate > > or mass, which, if left untreated, can spread to > involve the > pleura, > > pericardium, and chest wall, ultimately leading to > the formation > of > > sinuses that discharge sulfur granules. > > > > Actinomycosis of the abdomen and pelvis > > > > Actinomycosis of the abdomen and pelvis accounts > for 10-20% of > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Penicillin G is the IV adminstered very short shelf life, real deal, genuine, real mccoy penicillin. The penicillin VK is the trying to cut down infusion and extraction times from the body so you can use it less frequent and it also can be done pill form.The big difference is the salts the drug is suspended in I think pen G is suspended in potassium salts.I also think there may be a slight twist on the molecullar structure in one of the rings. I haven't really looked at this for a long time so don't quote me, my advise is just a brief outline. > > > Here are 2 articles on Actinomycosis. A very > > destructive, bone > > > eating bacteria that for many many years was > > thought to be a > > fungus > > > (hence the mycosis ending). A lot of docs still > > mistakenly assume > > > it's a fungus. A friend of mine recently, as a > > last resort, went > > to > > > a cancer specialist who routinely works with head > > and neck cancer > > > and he discovered that she was full of actino > > wormholing it's way > > > through her sinuses and jaw. He said he sees this > > all the time, > > and > > > isn't surprised, but that actino is very hard to > > detect or > > culture, > > > so most docs are oblivious. And, interestingly, > > Actinomycosis > > looks > > > much the same as lyme disease does on PCR testing. > > Acording to my > > > friend, when she talked to IGenex a couple years > > back, they told > > her > > > that it would be quite possible to confuse actino > > with lyme > > > organisms in PCR testing. Whether this still holds > > true, I don't > > > know, but I think it would make sense to find out, > > especially when > > > you read below how many areas Actino affects, and > > how difficult it > > > is to treat. > > > > > > It's also interesting that one of Actino's forms > > likes the lungs > > and > > > that it produces a granulomatous immune response. > > Perhaps it's the > > > cause of Sarcoidosis? It also can cause Pelvic > > disease in women, > > > tonsil problems, can affect the brain, etc. And > > debridement of the > > > jaw and sinuses is not, according to this cancer > > specialist, a > > good > > > way to go, because you will just keep debriding > > until there's no > > > bone left. > > > > > > Actino is probably most commonly introduced > > through dental or bone > > > trauma or even tissue injury (I'm thinking how > > many people seem > > > inexplicably stricken with CFS after a whip lash > > type injury). > > > > > > Actino apparently responds best to penicillin G, > > but treatment can > > > last a year or more. This is what my friend is > > currently doing. > > > Augmentin is also a drug that sometimes is > > beneficial. > > > > > > This is an organism that I think people should > > really be looking > > at > > > as a possible culprit in their illnesses. > > > > > > penny > > > > > > Actinomycosis is a subacute-to-chronic bacterial > > infection caused > > by > > > filamentous, gram-positive, > > anaerobic-to-microaerophilic bacteria > > > that are not acid fast. It is characterized by > > contiguous spread, > > > suppurative and granulomatous inflammatory > > reaction, and formation > > > of multiple abscesses and sinus tracts that > > discharge sulfur > > > granules. The most common clinical forms of > > actinomycosis are > > > cervicofacial (ie, lumpy jaw), thoracic, and > > abdominal. In women, > > > pelvic actinomycosis is common. > > > > > > Pathophysiology: The actinomycetes are prominent > > among the normal > > > flora of the oral cavity and less prominent in the > > lower > > > gastrointestinal tract and female genital tract. > > As these > > > microorganisms are not virulent, they require a > > break in the > > > integrity of the mucous membranes and the presence > > of devitalized > > > tissue to invade deeper body structures and cause > > human illness. > > > > > > Furthermore, actinomycosis generally is a > > polymicrobial infection, > > > with isolates numbering as many as 5-10 bacterial > > species. > > > Establishment of human infection may require the > > presence of such > > > companion bacteria, which participate in the > > production of > > infection > > > by elaborating a toxin or enzyme or by inhibiting > > host defenses. > > > These companion bacteria appear to act as > > copathogens that enhance > > > the relatively low invasive power of > > actinomycetes. Specifically, > > > they are responsible for the early manifestations > > of the infection > > > and for treatment failures. > > > > > > Once infection is established, the host mounts an > > intense > > > inflammatory (ie, suppurative, granulomatous) > > response, and > > fibrosis > > > develops subsequently. Infection typically spreads > > contiguously, > > > frequently ignoring tissue planes and invading > > surrounding tissues > > > or organs. Ultimately, the infection produces > > draining sinus > > tracts. > > > Hematogenous dissemination to distant organs may > > occur in any > > stage > > > of the infection, whereas lymphatic dissemination > > is unusual. > > > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis > > > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis is the most common > > manifestation, > > > comprising 50-70% of reported cases. Infection > > typically occurs > > > following oral surgery or in patients with poor > > dental hygiene. > > This > > > form of actinomycosis is characterized in the > > initial stages by > > soft- > > > tissue swelling of the perimandibular area. Direct > > spread into the > > > adjacent tissues occurs over time, along with > > development of > > > fistulas that discharge purulent material > > containing yellow (ie, > > > sulfur) granules. Invasion of the cranium or the > > bloodstream may > > > occur if the disease is left untreated. > > > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis > > > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis accounts for 15-20% of > > cases. Aspiration of > > > oropharyngeal secretions containing actinomycetes > > is the usual > > > mechanism of infection. Occasionally, thoracic > > actinomycosis may > > > result from the introduction of organisms via > > esophageal > > > perforation, by direct spread from an > > actinomycotic process of the > > > neck or abdomen, or via hematogenous spread from a > > distant lesion. > > > Thoracic actinomycosis commonly presents as a > > pulmonary infiltrate > > > or mass, which, if left untreated, can spread to > > involve the > > pleura, > > > pericardium, and chest wall, ultimately leading to > > the formation > > of > > > sinuses that discharge sulfur granules. > > > > > > Actinomycosis of the abdomen and pelvis > > > > > > Actinomycosis of the abdomen and pelvis accounts > > for 10-20% of > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with - make it your home page > http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Yeah, diff molecules. G is the original dope, produced by Penicillium notatum (or whatever it is) and discovered by Fleming. AKA benzylpenicillin. VK is not in my little book here, but I know they swap out some of the chemical groups on one side chain of the molecule to produce the different ones. Is there a good means of dx determination for actinomycosis? Doesnt look too common from that article, at least according to whomever wrote it. > > > > Here are 2 articles on Actinomycosis. A very > > > destructive, bone > > > > eating bacteria that for many many years was > > > thought to be a > > > fungus > > > > (hence the mycosis ending). A lot of docs still > > > mistakenly assume > > > > it's a fungus. A friend of mine recently, as a > > > last resort, went > > > to > > > > a cancer specialist who routinely works with head > > > and neck cancer > > > > and he discovered that she was full of actino > > > wormholing it's way > > > > through her sinuses and jaw. He said he sees this > > > all the time, > > > and > > > > isn't surprised, but that actino is very hard to > > > detect or > > > culture, > > > > so most docs are oblivious. And, interestingly, > > > Actinomycosis > > > looks > > > > much the same as lyme disease does on PCR testing. > > > Acording to my > > > > friend, when she talked to IGenex a couple years > > > back, they told > > > her > > > > that it would be quite possible to confuse actino > > > with lyme > > > > organisms in PCR testing. Whether this still holds > > > true, I don't > > > > know, but I think it would make sense to find out, > > > especially when > > > > you read below how many areas Actino affects, and > > > how difficult it > > > > is to treat. > > > > > > > > It's also interesting that one of Actino's forms > > > likes the lungs > > > and > > > > that it produces a granulomatous immune response. > > > Perhaps it's the > > > > cause of Sarcoidosis? It also can cause Pelvic > > > disease in women, > > > > tonsil problems, can affect the brain, etc. And > > > debridement of the > > > > jaw and sinuses is not, according to this cancer > > > specialist, a > > > good > > > > way to go, because you will just keep debriding > > > until there's no > > > > bone left. > > > > > > > > Actino is probably most commonly introduced > > > through dental or bone > > > > trauma or even tissue injury (I'm thinking how > > > many people seem > > > > inexplicably stricken with CFS after a whip lash > > > type injury). > > > > > > > > Actino apparently responds best to penicillin G, > > > but treatment can > > > > last a year or more. This is what my friend is > > > currently doing. > > > > Augmentin is also a drug that sometimes is > > > beneficial. > > > > > > > > This is an organism that I think people should > > > really be looking > > > at > > > > as a possible culprit in their illnesses. > > > > > > > > penny > > > > > > > > Actinomycosis is a subacute-to-chronic bacterial > > > infection caused > > > by > > > > filamentous, gram-positive, > > > anaerobic-to-microaerophilic bacteria > > > > that are not acid fast. It is characterized by > > > contiguous spread, > > > > suppurative and granulomatous inflammatory > > > reaction, and formation > > > > of multiple abscesses and sinus tracts that > > > discharge sulfur > > > > granules. The most common clinical forms of > > > actinomycosis are > > > > cervicofacial (ie, lumpy jaw), thoracic, and > > > abdominal. In women, > > > > pelvic actinomycosis is common. > > > > > > > > Pathophysiology: The actinomycetes are prominent > > > among the normal > > > > flora of the oral cavity and less prominent in the > > > lower > > > > gastrointestinal tract and female genital tract. > > > As these > > > > microorganisms are not virulent, they require a > > > break in the > > > > integrity of the mucous membranes and the presence > > > of devitalized > > > > tissue to invade deeper body structures and cause > > > human illness. > > > > > > > > Furthermore, actinomycosis generally is a > > > polymicrobial infection, > > > > with isolates numbering as many as 5-10 bacterial > > > species. > > > > Establishment of human infection may require the > > > presence of such > > > > companion bacteria, which participate in the > > > production of > > > infection > > > > by elaborating a toxin or enzyme or by inhibiting > > > host defenses. > > > > These companion bacteria appear to act as > > > copathogens that enhance > > > > the relatively low invasive power of > > > actinomycetes. Specifically, > > > > they are responsible for the early manifestations > > > of the infection > > > > and for treatment failures. > > > > > > > > Once infection is established, the host mounts an > > > intense > > > > inflammatory (ie, suppurative, granulomatous) > > > response, and > > > fibrosis > > > > develops subsequently. Infection typically spreads > > > contiguously, > > > > frequently ignoring tissue planes and invading > > > surrounding tissues > > > > or organs. Ultimately, the infection produces > > > draining sinus > > > tracts. > > > > Hematogenous dissemination to distant organs may > > > occur in any > > > stage > > > > of the infection, whereas lymphatic dissemination > > > is unusual. > > > > > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis > > > > > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis is the most common > > > manifestation, > > > > comprising 50-70% of reported cases. Infection > > > typically occurs > > > > following oral surgery or in patients with poor > > > dental hygiene. > > > This > > > > form of actinomycosis is characterized in the > > > initial stages by > > > soft- > > > > tissue swelling of the perimandibular area. Direct > > > spread into the > > > > adjacent tissues occurs over time, along with > > > development of > > > > fistulas that discharge purulent material > > > containing yellow (ie, > > > > sulfur) granules. Invasion of the cranium or the > > > bloodstream may > > > > occur if the disease is left untreated. > > > > > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis > > > > > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis accounts for 15-20% of > > > cases. Aspiration of > > > > oropharyngeal secretions containing actinomycetes > > > is the usual > > > > mechanism of infection. Occasionally, thoracic > > > actinomycosis may > > > > result from the introduction of organisms via > > > esophageal > > > > perforation, by direct spread from an > > > actinomycotic process of the > > > > neck or abdomen, or via hematogenous spread from a > > > distant lesion. > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis commonly presents as a > > > pulmonary infiltrate > > > > or mass, which, if left untreated, can spread to > > > involve the > > > pleura, > > > > pericardium, and chest wall, ultimately leading to > > > the formation > > > of > > > > sinuses that discharge sulfur granules. > > > > > > > > Actinomycosis of the abdomen and pelvis > > > > > > > > Actinomycosis of the abdomen and pelvis accounts > > > for 10-20% of > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Hi Penny, Do you know which specific lab tests diagnose this? I remember that you said earlier that there were very few doctors in the US who are skilled enough to recognize these kinds of bone-eating bacteria. Could you supply us some names and contact information? I think this is a very relevent topic for alot of us, but we need to know where to go to have the appropriate work-up. Thanks, Pippit > Here are 2 articles on Actinomycosis. A very destructive, bone > eating bacteria that for many many years was thought to be a fungus > (hence the mycosis ending). A lot of docs still mistakenly assume > it's a fungus. A friend of mine recently, as a last resort, went to > a cancer specialist who routinely works with head and neck cancer > and he discovered that she was full of actino wormholing it's way > through her sinuses and jaw. He said he sees this all the time, and > isn't surprised, but that actino is very hard to detect or culture, > so most docs are oblivious. And, interestingly, Actinomycosis looks > much the same as lyme disease does on PCR testing. Acording to my > friend, when she talked to IGenex a couple years back, they told her > that it would be quite possible to confuse actino with lyme > organisms in PCR testing. Whether this still holds true, I don't > know, but I think it would make sense to find out, especially when > you read below how many areas Actino affects, and how difficult it > is to treat. > > It's also interesting that one of Actino's forms likes the lungs and > that it produces a granulomatous immune response. Perhaps it's the > cause of Sarcoidosis? It also can cause Pelvic disease in women, > tonsil problems, can affect the brain, etc. And debridement of the > jaw and sinuses is not, according to this cancer specialist, a good > way to go, because you will just keep debriding until there's no > bone left. > > Actino is probably most commonly introduced through dental or bone > trauma or even tissue injury (I'm thinking how many people seem > inexplicably stricken with CFS after a whip lash type injury). > > Actino apparently responds best to penicillin G, but treatment can > last a year or more. This is what my friend is currently doing. > Augmentin is also a drug that sometimes is beneficial. > > This is an organism that I think people should really be looking at > as a possible culprit in their illnesses. > > penny > > Actinomycosis is a subacute-to-chronic bacterial infection caused by > filamentous, gram-positive, anaerobic-to-microaerophilic bacteria > that are not acid fast. It is characterized by contiguous spread, > suppurative and granulomatous inflammatory reaction, and formation > of multiple abscesses and sinus tracts that discharge sulfur > granules. The most common clinical forms of actinomycosis are > cervicofacial (ie, lumpy jaw), thoracic, and abdominal. In women, > pelvic actinomycosis is common. > > Pathophysiology: The actinomycetes are prominent among the normal > flora of the oral cavity and less prominent in the lower > gastrointestinal tract and female genital tract. As these > microorganisms are not virulent, they require a break in the > integrity of the mucous membranes and the presence of devitalized > tissue to invade deeper body structures and cause human illness. > > Furthermore, actinomycosis generally is a polymicrobial infection, > with isolates numbering as many as 5-10 bacterial species. > Establishment of human infection may require the presence of such > companion bacteria, which participate in the production of infection > by elaborating a toxin or enzyme or by inhibiting host defenses. > These companion bacteria appear to act as copathogens that enhance > the relatively low invasive power of actinomycetes. Specifically, > they are responsible for the early manifestations of the infection > and for treatment failures. > > Once infection is established, the host mounts an intense > inflammatory (ie, suppurative, granulomatous) response, and fibrosis > develops subsequently. Infection typically spreads contiguously, > frequently ignoring tissue planes and invading surrounding tissues > or organs. Ultimately, the infection produces draining sinus tracts. > Hematogenous dissemination to distant organs may occur in any stage > of the infection, whereas lymphatic dissemination is unusual. > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis is the most common manifestation, > comprising 50-70% of reported cases. Infection typically occurs > following oral surgery or in patients with poor dental hygiene. This > form of actinomycosis is characterized in the initial stages by soft- > tissue swelling of the perimandibular area. Direct spread into the > adjacent tissues occurs over time, along with development of > fistulas that discharge purulent material containing yellow (ie, > sulfur) granules. Invasion of the cranium or the bloodstream may > occur if the disease is left untreated. > > Thoracic actinomycosis > > Thoracic actinomycosis accounts for 15-20% of cases. Aspiration of > oropharyngeal secretions containing actinomycetes is the usual > mechanism of infection. Occasionally, thoracic actinomycosis may > result from the introduction of organisms via esophageal > perforation, by direct spread from an actinomycotic process of the > neck or abdomen, or via hematogenous spread from a distant lesion. > Thoracic actinomycosis commonly presents as a pulmonary infiltrate > or mass, which, if left untreated, can spread to involve the pleura, > pericardium, and chest wall, ultimately leading to the formation of > sinuses that discharge sulfur granules. > > Actinomycosis of the abdomen and pelvis > > Actinomycosis of the abdomen and pelvis accounts for 10-20% of > reported cases. Typically, patients have a history of recent or > remote bowel surgery (eg, perforated acute appendicitis, perforated > colonic diverticulitis following trauma to the abdomen) or ingestion > of foreign bodies (eg, chicken or fish bones), during which > actinomycetes is introduced into the deep tissues. The ileocecal > region is involved most frequently, and the disease presents > classically as a slowly growing tumor. Involvement of any abdominal > organ, including the abdominal wall, can occur by direct spread, > with eventual formation of draining sinuses. Actinomycosis of the > pelvis most commonly occurs by the ascending route from the uterus > in association with intrauterine contraceptive devices (IUCDs). In > such cases, an IUCD has been in place for an average of 8 years. > > Frequency: > > In the US: Actinomycosis is a rare infection. During the 1970s, the > reported annual incidence in the Cleveland area was 1 case per > 300,000. Improved dental hygiene and widespread use of antibiotics > for various infections probably have contributed to the declining > incidence of this disease. > Internationally: Actinomycosis occurs worldwide, with likely higher > prevalence rates in areas with low socioeconomic status and poor > dental hygiene. > Mortality/Morbidity: The availability of antibiotics has greatly > improved the prognosis for all forms of actinomycosis. At present, > cure rates are high and neither deformity nor death is common. > > Race: No racial predilection exists. > > Sex: For unknown reasons, men are affected more commonly than women, > with the exception of pelvic actinomycosis. The reported male-to- > female ratio is 3:1. > > Age: Actinomycosis can affect people of all ages, but the majority > of cases are reported in young to middle-aged adults (aged 20-50 y). > > http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic31.htm > > > > Actinomycosis > > Definition of Actinomycosis > Actinomycosis is an infection caused by a bacterium called > Actinomyces israelii (A. israelii). > > Description of Actinomycosis > Actinomycosis (also known as Rivalta disease, big jaw, clams, lumpy > jaw or wooden tongue) is an infection, commonly of the face and > neck, that produces abscesses (collections of pus) and open- draining > sinuses (tracts in the skin). > > Actinomycosis is caused by a bacterium called Actinomyces israelii > (A. israelii). It occurs normally in the mouth and tonsils. This > bacterium may cause infection when it is introduced into the soft > tissues by trauma, surgery or another infection. Once in the > tissues, it may form an abscess that develops into a hard red to > reddish purple lump. When the abscess breaks through the skin, it > forms pus-discharging lesions. > > There are at least five (5) types of actinomycosis: > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis occurs in the mouth, neck and head > region. The bacterium enters through the periodontium (the tissues > surrounding and supporting the teeth), soft tissue wounds or > salivary gland ducts. It is believed that infection may arise after > a tooth extraction, from tooth decay or abscess, as a part of > periodontal disease, from a nonpenetrating jaw trauma, poor dental > hygiene, or mucosal injuries. > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis develops slowly. The area becomes hard, > the overlying skin becomes reddish and swelling appears in the mouth > and neck. Abscesses develop within and eventually drain to the > surface where sulfur granules (yellowish gray masses), masses of > filamentous (long, threadlike structure) organisms, may be found in > the pus. > > Thoracic actinomycosis involves the lungs and mediastinum (region > between the two lungs). The disease begins with fever, cough, and > sputum production. The patient becomes weak, loses weight and may > have night sweats and shortness of breath. Multiple sinuses may > extend through the chest wall, to the heart, or into the abdominal > cavity. Ribs may be involved. Occasionally, cervicofacial and > thoracic disease may result in nervous system complications - most > commonly brain abscesses or meningitis. > > Abdominal actinomycosis are mostly preceded by surgery such as > laparotomy for acute appendicitis, perforated ulcer, or gallbladder > inflammation. Infection usually begins in the gastrointestinal tract > and spreads to the abdominal wall. Spiking fever and chills, > intestinal colic, vomiting, and weight loss, a palpable (can be > felt) mass and an external sinus are evident in this type of > actinomycosis. This type of actinomycosis may be mistaken for > Crohn's disease, malignancy, tuberculosis, Amebiasis (an infection > of the intestine or liver), or chronic appendicitis. > > Pelvic actinomycosis affects the women's pelvic area and may cause > lower abdominal pain, fever, and bleeding between menstrual periods. > This form of the infection has been associated with the use of IUDs > (intra-uterine devices) that do not contain copper. > > Generalized actinomycosis may involve the skin, brain, liver and > urogenital system. > > Diagnosis of Actinomycosis > Actinomycosis may be hard to diagnose at onset. There are lab tests > that may isolate actinomyces in pus or tissue specimens. > > Treatment of Actinomycosis > Treatment for actinomycosis is long term, generally with up to one > month of intravenous penicillin G, followed by weeks to months of > penicillin taken by mouth. Additionally, surgical excision and > drainage of abscesses may be necessary. > > http://www.healthscout.com/ency/68/258/main.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Yeah, not so " common " , only because they don't know how to test for it and because it dies outside the body very quickly. But this cancer specialist recognized it right away because he sees a lot of it. This is the stuff wormholing it's away through our bones and sinuses, unsuspected by just about everybody. The problem with actinomyces is that it needs to be transported from human being to the lab within 15 minutes, and must be kept warm. Hospitals often have runners who get these samples to the lab. Of course the labs we usually deal with, like Lab Corp, don't do that, so your best bet is a hospital lab, and even then no guarantees. My friend first tested positive for actino several years ago at the Mayo Clinic, and even though she's been saying ever since that she's dealing with actino (based on the way she responded to Augmentin and minocycline - another anti-actino drug), even her i.d. docs haven't taken her that seriously because they haven't been able to reproduce the test results. Not until this cancer specialist saw it and recognized it right away for what it was, thanks to good scans that showed him where to point his cameras. He saw the pus, and the drainage tracts that are characteristic of actinomyces, which has been eating through her bone between jaw and sinuses and dumping pus into her mouth. Plus, it looks like a fungal form and apparently creates some of the same markers produced by lyme bugs in PCR testing, so it's a very well disguised bug and easily mistaken for other things. I guess if Penicillin and Augmentin don't work, the next drug is Unisyn. This is another very expensive abx that I know some people have responded well to when nothing else seemed to work. I feel pretty sure that Actino is one of my problems, and explains why I got so much worse AFTER jaw surgery, and why the infection seemed to just spread to new teeth. Also, a few months ago I developed the characteristic salty taste of actino (and also staph) around one of my teeth. That taste has almost disappeared with the penicillin. And I've been doing a lot better with the combination of zithromax, diflucan and penicillin. penny > > > > > Here are 2 articles on Actinomycosis. A very > > > > destructive, bone > > > > > eating bacteria that for many many years was > > > > thought to be a > > > > fungus > > > > > (hence the mycosis ending). A lot of docs still > > > > mistakenly assume > > > > > it's a fungus. A friend of mine recently, as a > > > > last resort, went > > > > to > > > > > a cancer specialist who routinely works with head > > > > and neck cancer > > > > > and he discovered that she was full of actino > > > > wormholing it's way > > > > > through her sinuses and jaw. He said he sees this > > > > all the time, > > > > and > > > > > isn't surprised, but that actino is very hard to > > > > detect or > > > > culture, > > > > > so most docs are oblivious. And, interestingly, > > > > Actinomycosis > > > > looks > > > > > much the same as lyme disease does on PCR testing. > > > > Acording to my > > > > > friend, when she talked to IGenex a couple years > > > > back, they told > > > > her > > > > > that it would be quite possible to confuse actino > > > > with lyme > > > > > organisms in PCR testing. Whether this still holds > > > > true, I don't > > > > > know, but I think it would make sense to find out, > > > > especially when > > > > > you read below how many areas Actino affects, and > > > > how difficult it > > > > > is to treat. > > > > > > > > > > It's also interesting that one of Actino's forms > > > > likes the lungs > > > > and > > > > > that it produces a granulomatous immune response. > > > > Perhaps it's the > > > > > cause of Sarcoidosis? It also can cause Pelvic > > > > disease in women, > > > > > tonsil problems, can affect the brain, etc. And > > > > debridement of the > > > > > jaw and sinuses is not, according to this cancer > > > > specialist, a > > > > good > > > > > way to go, because you will just keep debriding > > > > until there's no > > > > > bone left. > > > > > > > > > > Actino is probably most commonly introduced > > > > through dental or bone > > > > > trauma or even tissue injury (I'm thinking how > > > > many people seem > > > > > inexplicably stricken with CFS after a whip lash > > > > type injury). > > > > > > > > > > Actino apparently responds best to penicillin G, > > > > but treatment can > > > > > last a year or more. This is what my friend is > > > > currently doing. > > > > > Augmentin is also a drug that sometimes is > > > > beneficial. > > > > > > > > > > This is an organism that I think people should > > > > really be looking > > > > at > > > > > as a possible culprit in their illnesses. > > > > > > > > > > penny > > > > > > > > > > Actinomycosis is a subacute-to-chronic bacterial > > > > infection caused > > > > by > > > > > filamentous, gram-positive, > > > > anaerobic-to-microaerophilic bacteria > > > > > that are not acid fast. It is characterized by > > > > contiguous spread, > > > > > suppurative and granulomatous inflammatory > > > > reaction, and formation > > > > > of multiple abscesses and sinus tracts that > > > > discharge sulfur > > > > > granules. The most common clinical forms of > > > > actinomycosis are > > > > > cervicofacial (ie, lumpy jaw), thoracic, and > > > > abdominal. In women, > > > > > pelvic actinomycosis is common. > > > > > > > > > > Pathophysiology: The actinomycetes are prominent > > > > among the normal > > > > > flora of the oral cavity and less prominent in the > > > > lower > > > > > gastrointestinal tract and female genital tract. > > > > As these > > > > > microorganisms are not virulent, they require a > > > > break in the > > > > > integrity of the mucous membranes and the presence > > > > of devitalized > > > > > tissue to invade deeper body structures and cause > > > > human illness. > > > > > > > > > > Furthermore, actinomycosis generally is a > > > > polymicrobial infection, > > > > > with isolates numbering as many as 5-10 bacterial > > > > species. > > > > > Establishment of human infection may require the > > > > presence of such > > > > > companion bacteria, which participate in the > > > > production of > > > > infection > > > > > by elaborating a toxin or enzyme or by inhibiting > > > > host defenses. > > > > > These companion bacteria appear to act as > > > > copathogens that enhance > > > > > the relatively low invasive power of > > > > actinomycetes. Specifically, > > > > > they are responsible for the early manifestations > > > > of the infection > > > > > and for treatment failures. > > > > > > > > > > Once infection is established, the host mounts an > > > > intense > > > > > inflammatory (ie, suppurative, granulomatous) > > > > response, and > > > > fibrosis > > > > > develops subsequently. Infection typically spreads > > > > contiguously, > > > > > frequently ignoring tissue planes and invading > > > > surrounding tissues > > > > > or organs. Ultimately, the infection produces > > > > draining sinus > > > > tracts. > > > > > Hematogenous dissemination to distant organs may > > > > occur in any > > > > stage > > > > > of the infection, whereas lymphatic dissemination > > > > is unusual. > > > > > > > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis > > > > > > > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis is the most common > > > > manifestation, > > > > > comprising 50-70% of reported cases. Infection > > > > typically occurs > > > > > following oral surgery or in patients with poor > > > > dental hygiene. > > > > This > > > > > form of actinomycosis is characterized in the > > > > initial stages by > > > > soft- > > > > > tissue swelling of the perimandibular area. Direct > > > > spread into the > > > > > adjacent tissues occurs over time, along with > > > > development of > > > > > fistulas that discharge purulent material > > > > containing yellow (ie, > > > > > sulfur) granules. Invasion of the cranium or the > > > > bloodstream may > > > > > occur if the disease is left untreated. > > > > > > > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis > > > > > > > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis accounts for 15-20% of > > > > cases. Aspiration of > > > > > oropharyngeal secretions containing actinomycetes > > > > is the usual > > > > > mechanism of infection. Occasionally, thoracic > > > > actinomycosis may > > > > > result from the introduction of organisms via > > > > esophageal > > > > > perforation, by direct spread from an > > > > actinomycotic process of the > > > > > neck or abdomen, or via hematogenous spread from a > > > > distant lesion. > > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis commonly presents as a > > > > pulmonary infiltrate > > > > > or mass, which, if left untreated, can spread to > > > > involve the > > > > pleura, > > > > > pericardium, and chest wall, ultimately leading to > > > > the formation > > > > of > > > > > sinuses that discharge sulfur granules. > > > > > > > > > > Actinomycosis of the abdomen and pelvis > > > > > > > > > > Actinomycosis of the abdomen and pelvis accounts > > > > for 10-20% of > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Yeah, I explained it a bit in the above post. You need a hospital lab and a runner (you can run it yourself) to get the specimen to the lab within 15 minutes, and kept at the right temp. I know that Mayo Clinic was capable of dxing this bug some time ago, but beyond that, I don't know. This head/neck cancer specialist that my friend went to was a last ditch desperation visit, and he recognized it right away from experience. Generally, you need to have either a bone biopsy and hope you get a good sample, or hope you've got some kind of accessible pus or sinus tissue that you could culture. There are never any guarantees you'll capture any bug when you test for any organism, and it's especially difficult when it's one that dies so rapidly outside the host. I'm sure there are doctors out there, it just takes digging, as it always does with cases like ours. penny > > Here are 2 articles on Actinomycosis. A very destructive, bone > > eating bacteria that for many many years was thought to be a fungus > > (hence the mycosis ending). A lot of docs still mistakenly assume > > it's a fungus. A friend of mine recently, as a last resort, went to > > a cancer specialist who routinely works with head and neck cancer > > and he discovered that she was full of actino wormholing it's way > > through her sinuses and jaw. He said he sees this all the time, and > > isn't surprised, but that actino is very hard to detect or culture, > > so most docs are oblivious. And, interestingly, Actinomycosis looks > > much the same as lyme disease does on PCR testing. Acording to my > > friend, when she talked to IGenex a couple years back, they told > her > > that it would be quite possible to confuse actino with lyme > > organisms in PCR testing. Whether this still holds true, I don't > > know, but I think it would make sense to find out, especially when > > you read below how many areas Actino affects, and how difficult it > > is to treat. > > > > It's also interesting that one of Actino's forms likes the lungs > and > > that it produces a granulomatous immune response. Perhaps it's the > > cause of Sarcoidosis? It also can cause Pelvic disease in women, > > tonsil problems, can affect the brain, etc. And debridement of the > > jaw and sinuses is not, according to this cancer specialist, a good > > way to go, because you will just keep debriding until there's no > > bone left. > > > > Actino is probably most commonly introduced through dental or bone > > trauma or even tissue injury (I'm thinking how many people seem > > inexplicably stricken with CFS after a whip lash type injury). > > > > Actino apparently responds best to penicillin G, but treatment can > > last a year or more. This is what my friend is currently doing. > > Augmentin is also a drug that sometimes is beneficial. > > > > This is an organism that I think people should really be looking at > > as a possible culprit in their illnesses. > > > > penny > > > > Actinomycosis is a subacute-to-chronic bacterial infection caused > by > > filamentous, gram-positive, anaerobic-to-microaerophilic bacteria > > that are not acid fast. It is characterized by contiguous spread, > > suppurative and granulomatous inflammatory reaction, and formation > > of multiple abscesses and sinus tracts that discharge sulfur > > granules. The most common clinical forms of actinomycosis are > > cervicofacial (ie, lumpy jaw), thoracic, and abdominal. In women, > > pelvic actinomycosis is common. > > > > Pathophysiology: The actinomycetes are prominent among the normal > > flora of the oral cavity and less prominent in the lower > > gastrointestinal tract and female genital tract. As these > > microorganisms are not virulent, they require a break in the > > integrity of the mucous membranes and the presence of devitalized > > tissue to invade deeper body structures and cause human illness. > > > > Furthermore, actinomycosis generally is a polymicrobial infection, > > with isolates numbering as many as 5-10 bacterial species. > > Establishment of human infection may require the presence of such > > companion bacteria, which participate in the production of > infection > > by elaborating a toxin or enzyme or by inhibiting host defenses. > > These companion bacteria appear to act as copathogens that enhance > > the relatively low invasive power of actinomycetes. Specifically, > > they are responsible for the early manifestations of the infection > > and for treatment failures. > > > > Once infection is established, the host mounts an intense > > inflammatory (ie, suppurative, granulomatous) response, and > fibrosis > > develops subsequently. Infection typically spreads contiguously, > > frequently ignoring tissue planes and invading surrounding tissues > > or organs. Ultimately, the infection produces draining sinus > tracts. > > Hematogenous dissemination to distant organs may occur in any stage > > of the infection, whereas lymphatic dissemination is unusual. > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis is the most common manifestation, > > comprising 50-70% of reported cases. Infection typically occurs > > following oral surgery or in patients with poor dental hygiene. > This > > form of actinomycosis is characterized in the initial stages by > soft- > > tissue swelling of the perimandibular area. Direct spread into the > > adjacent tissues occurs over time, along with development of > > fistulas that discharge purulent material containing yellow (ie, > > sulfur) granules. Invasion of the cranium or the bloodstream may > > occur if the disease is left untreated. > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis accounts for 15-20% of cases. Aspiration of > > oropharyngeal secretions containing actinomycetes is the usual > > mechanism of infection. Occasionally, thoracic actinomycosis may > > result from the introduction of organisms via esophageal > > perforation, by direct spread from an actinomycotic process of the > > neck or abdomen, or via hematogenous spread from a distant lesion. > > Thoracic actinomycosis commonly presents as a pulmonary infiltrate > > or mass, which, if left untreated, can spread to involve the > pleura, > > pericardium, and chest wall, ultimately leading to the formation of > > sinuses that discharge sulfur granules. > > > > Actinomycosis of the abdomen and pelvis > > > > Actinomycosis of the abdomen and pelvis accounts for 10-20% of > > reported cases. Typically, patients have a history of recent or > > remote bowel surgery (eg, perforated acute appendicitis, perforated > > colonic diverticulitis following trauma to the abdomen) or > ingestion > > of foreign bodies (eg, chicken or fish bones), during which > > actinomycetes is introduced into the deep tissues. The ileocecal > > region is involved most frequently, and the disease presents > > classically as a slowly growing tumor. Involvement of any abdominal > > organ, including the abdominal wall, can occur by direct spread, > > with eventual formation of draining sinuses. Actinomycosis of the > > pelvis most commonly occurs by the ascending route from the uterus > > in association with intrauterine contraceptive devices (IUCDs). In > > such cases, an IUCD has been in place for an average of 8 years. > > > > Frequency: > > > > In the US: Actinomycosis is a rare infection. During the 1970s, the > > reported annual incidence in the Cleveland area was 1 case per > > 300,000. Improved dental hygiene and widespread use of antibiotics > > for various infections probably have contributed to the declining > > incidence of this disease. > > Internationally: Actinomycosis occurs worldwide, with likely higher > > prevalence rates in areas with low socioeconomic status and poor > > dental hygiene. > > Mortality/Morbidity: The availability of antibiotics has greatly > > improved the prognosis for all forms of actinomycosis. At present, > > cure rates are high and neither deformity nor death is common. > > > > Race: No racial predilection exists. > > > > Sex: For unknown reasons, men are affected more commonly than > women, > > with the exception of pelvic actinomycosis. The reported male-to- > > female ratio is 3:1. > > > > Age: Actinomycosis can affect people of all ages, but the majority > > of cases are reported in young to middle-aged adults (aged 20-50 > y). > > > > http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic31.htm > > > > > > > > Actinomycosis > > > > Definition of Actinomycosis > > Actinomycosis is an infection caused by a bacterium called > > Actinomyces israelii (A. israelii). > > > > Description of Actinomycosis > > Actinomycosis (also known as Rivalta disease, big jaw, clams, lumpy > > jaw or wooden tongue) is an infection, commonly of the face and > > neck, that produces abscesses (collections of pus) and open- > draining > > sinuses (tracts in the skin). > > > > Actinomycosis is caused by a bacterium called Actinomyces israelii > > (A. israelii). It occurs normally in the mouth and tonsils. This > > bacterium may cause infection when it is introduced into the soft > > tissues by trauma, surgery or another infection. Once in the > > tissues, it may form an abscess that develops into a hard red to > > reddish purple lump. When the abscess breaks through the skin, it > > forms pus-discharging lesions. > > > > There are at least five (5) types of actinomycosis: > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis occurs in the mouth, neck and head > > region. The bacterium enters through the periodontium (the tissues > > surrounding and supporting the teeth), soft tissue wounds or > > salivary gland ducts. It is believed that infection may arise after > > a tooth extraction, from tooth decay or abscess, as a part of > > periodontal disease, from a nonpenetrating jaw trauma, poor dental > > hygiene, or mucosal injuries. > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis develops slowly. The area becomes hard, > > the overlying skin becomes reddish and swelling appears in the > mouth > > and neck. Abscesses develop within and eventually drain to the > > surface where sulfur granules (yellowish gray masses), masses of > > filamentous (long, threadlike structure) organisms, may be found in > > the pus. > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis involves the lungs and mediastinum (region > > between the two lungs). The disease begins with fever, cough, and > > sputum production. The patient becomes weak, loses weight and may > > have night sweats and shortness of breath. Multiple sinuses may > > extend through the chest wall, to the heart, or into the abdominal > > cavity. Ribs may be involved. Occasionally, cervicofacial and > > thoracic disease may result in nervous system complications - most > > commonly brain abscesses or meningitis. > > > > Abdominal actinomycosis are mostly preceded by surgery such as > > laparotomy for acute appendicitis, perforated ulcer, or gallbladder > > inflammation. Infection usually begins in the gastrointestinal > tract > > and spreads to the abdominal wall. Spiking fever and chills, > > intestinal colic, vomiting, and weight loss, a palpable (can be > > felt) mass and an external sinus are evident in this type of > > actinomycosis. This type of actinomycosis may be mistaken for > > Crohn's disease, malignancy, tuberculosis, Amebiasis (an infection > > of the intestine or liver), or chronic appendicitis. > > > > Pelvic actinomycosis affects the women's pelvic area and may cause > > lower abdominal pain, fever, and bleeding between menstrual > periods. > > This form of the infection has been associated with the use of IUDs > > (intra-uterine devices) that do not contain copper. > > > > Generalized actinomycosis may involve the skin, brain, liver and > > urogenital system. > > > > Diagnosis of Actinomycosis > > Actinomycosis may be hard to diagnose at onset. There are lab tests > > that may isolate actinomyces in pus or tissue specimens. > > > > Treatment of Actinomycosis > > Treatment for actinomycosis is long term, generally with up to one > > month of intravenous penicillin G, followed by weeks to months of > > penicillin taken by mouth. Additionally, surgical excision and > > drainage of abscesses may be necessary. > > > > http://www.healthscout.com/ency/68/258/main.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 It's hard to grow but you need actinomyces israeli to have the bad actino, the bovis is more common not as big a pathoegn though.I don't know of too many other species in the actino range. I also think sulfur granules Yellow in appearance is the byproduct that is often seen in advanced disease.- -- In infections , " Hodologica " <usenethod@y...> wrote: > Yeah, diff molecules. G is the original dope, produced by Penicillium > notatum (or whatever it is) and discovered by Fleming. AKA > benzylpenicillin. VK is not in my little book here, but I know they > swap out some of the chemical groups on one side chain of the > molecule to produce the different ones. > > Is there a good means of dx determination for actinomycosis? Doesnt > look too common from that article, at least according to whomever > wrote it. > > > > > > > Here are 2 articles on Actinomycosis. A very > > > > destructive, bone > > > > > eating bacteria that for many many years was > > > > thought to be a > > > > fungus > > > > > (hence the mycosis ending). A lot of docs still > > > > mistakenly assume > > > > > it's a fungus. A friend of mine recently, as a > > > > last resort, went > > > > to > > > > > a cancer specialist who routinely works with head > > > > and neck cancer > > > > > and he discovered that she was full of actino > > > > wormholing it's way > > > > > through her sinuses and jaw. He said he sees this > > > > all the time, > > > > and > > > > > isn't surprised, but that actino is very hard to > > > > detect or > > > > culture, > > > > > so most docs are oblivious. And, interestingly, > > > > Actinomycosis > > > > looks > > > > > much the same as lyme disease does on PCR testing. > > > > Acording to my > > > > > friend, when she talked to IGenex a couple years > > > > back, they told > > > > her > > > > > that it would be quite possible to confuse actino > > > > with lyme > > > > > organisms in PCR testing. Whether this still holds > > > > true, I don't > > > > > know, but I think it would make sense to find out, > > > > especially when > > > > > you read below how many areas Actino affects, and > > > > how difficult it > > > > > is to treat. > > > > > > > > > > It's also interesting that one of Actino's forms > > > > likes the lungs > > > > and > > > > > that it produces a granulomatous immune response. > > > > Perhaps it's the > > > > > cause of Sarcoidosis? It also can cause Pelvic > > > > disease in women, > > > > > tonsil problems, can affect the brain, etc. And > > > > debridement of the > > > > > jaw and sinuses is not, according to this cancer > > > > specialist, a > > > > good > > > > > way to go, because you will just keep debriding > > > > until there's no > > > > > bone left. > > > > > > > > > > Actino is probably most commonly introduced > > > > through dental or bone > > > > > trauma or even tissue injury (I'm thinking how > > > > many people seem > > > > > inexplicably stricken with CFS after a whip lash > > > > type injury). > > > > > > > > > > Actino apparently responds best to penicillin G, > > > > but treatment can > > > > > last a year or more. This is what my friend is > > > > currently doing. > > > > > Augmentin is also a drug that sometimes is > > > > beneficial. > > > > > > > > > > This is an organism that I think people should > > > > really be looking > > > > at > > > > > as a possible culprit in their illnesses. > > > > > > > > > > penny > > > > > > > > > > Actinomycosis is a subacute-to-chronic bacterial > > > > infection caused > > > > by > > > > > filamentous, gram-positive, > > > > anaerobic-to-microaerophilic bacteria > > > > > that are not acid fast. It is characterized by > > > > contiguous spread, > > > > > suppurative and granulomatous inflammatory > > > > reaction, and formation > > > > > of multiple abscesses and sinus tracts that > > > > discharge sulfur > > > > > granules. The most common clinical forms of > > > > actinomycosis are > > > > > cervicofacial (ie, lumpy jaw), thoracic, and > > > > abdominal. In women, > > > > > pelvic actinomycosis is common. > > > > > > > > > > Pathophysiology: The actinomycetes are prominent > > > > among the normal > > > > > flora of the oral cavity and less prominent in the > > > > lower > > > > > gastrointestinal tract and female genital tract. > > > > As these > > > > > microorganisms are not virulent, they require a > > > > break in the > > > > > integrity of the mucous membranes and the presence > > > > of devitalized > > > > > tissue to invade deeper body structures and cause > > > > human illness. > > > > > > > > > > Furthermore, actinomycosis generally is a > > > > polymicrobial infection, > > > > > with isolates numbering as many as 5-10 bacterial > > > > species. > > > > > Establishment of human infection may require the > > > > presence of such > > > > > companion bacteria, which participate in the > > > > production of > > > > infection > > > > > by elaborating a toxin or enzyme or by inhibiting > > > > host defenses. > > > > > These companion bacteria appear to act as > > > > copathogens that enhance > > > > > the relatively low invasive power of > > > > actinomycetes. Specifically, > > > > > they are responsible for the early manifestations > > > > of the infection > > > > > and for treatment failures. > > > > > > > > > > Once infection is established, the host mounts an > > > > intense > > > > > inflammatory (ie, suppurative, granulomatous) > > > > response, and > > > > fibrosis > > > > > develops subsequently. Infection typically spreads > > > > contiguously, > > > > > frequently ignoring tissue planes and invading > > > > surrounding tissues > > > > > or organs. Ultimately, the infection produces > > > > draining sinus > > > > tracts. > > > > > Hematogenous dissemination to distant organs may > > > > occur in any > > > > stage > > > > > of the infection, whereas lymphatic dissemination > > > > is unusual. > > > > > > > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis > > > > > > > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis is the most common > > > > manifestation, > > > > > comprising 50-70% of reported cases. Infection > > > > typically occurs > > > > > following oral surgery or in patients with poor > > > > dental hygiene. > > > > This > > > > > form of actinomycosis is characterized in the > > > > initial stages by > > > > soft- > > > > > tissue swelling of the perimandibular area. Direct > > > > spread into the > > > > > adjacent tissues occurs over time, along with > > > > development of > > > > > fistulas that discharge purulent material > > > > containing yellow (ie, > > > > > sulfur) granules. Invasion of the cranium or the > > > > bloodstream may > > > > > occur if the disease is left untreated. > > > > > > > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis > > > > > > > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis accounts for 15-20% of > > > > cases. Aspiration of > > > > > oropharyngeal secretions containing actinomycetes > > > > is the usual > > > > > mechanism of infection. Occasionally, thoracic > > > > actinomycosis may > > > > > result from the introduction of organisms via > > > > esophageal > > > > > perforation, by direct spread from an > > > > actinomycotic process of the > > > > > neck or abdomen, or via hematogenous spread from a > > > > distant lesion. > > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis commonly presents as a > > > > pulmonary infiltrate > > > > > or mass, which, if left untreated, can spread to > > > > involve the > > > > pleura, > > > > > pericardium, and chest wall, ultimately leading to > > > > the formation > > > > of > > > > > sinuses that discharge sulfur granules. > > > > > > > > > > Actinomycosis of the abdomen and pelvis > > > > > > > > > > Actinomycosis of the abdomen and pelvis accounts > > > > for 10-20% of > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Tony, according to the article I posted earlier, which states, " actinomycosis generally is a polymicrobial infection, with isolates numbering as many as 5-10 bacterial species. " this fits with our own understanding that the reason we have so much difficulty curing ourselves is because we're dealing with co- infections. Also, remember how this cancer specialist said that you should do all you can to prevent any mucous from dripping into your stomach, because actino will take up residence in the gut, creating new problems, which is exactly what happened to our friend, even though her doctor pooh-poohed the idea. And I truly believe that this method of bacterial transport is what causes some people to develop pelvic and gut problems, IBS, chrohns, PID, etc. I think it's interesting that the Tibetans, who have their own amazingly complex form of medicine, always spit out any mucous they cough up, which although not necessarily pleasant to see, probably is a lot smarter than swallowing it. They're also big tongue cleaners, using tongue scrapers daily to remove anything growing there. By the way, I visited the Tibetan Doctor up on Orcas Island, and although I wasn't too sure what to make of the visit itself, I'm very impressed with the meds he gave me, with the frequency I take them, and with his dietary recommendations. He's got one really powerful antibiotic that's effective against all kinds of infectious organisms (staph, strep, pseudomonas, and some I've never heard of) both gram positive and negative, and it has also been tested successfully against microbe resistance. He gave me one for cleaning the blood and eliminating toxins and for helping my immune system. And a " tea " mixture which helps digestion and nutrient absorption among other things. I was/am really impressed with the 4 meds he sent me, as they seem to address everything I've been dealing with. And all this based on looking at my tongue and reading my pulse and analyzing the color of the urine, which is the Tibetan medicine way. We'll see how I do, but where I was skeptical before, I'm now pretty positive, based on all the info he sent me along with the meds. Today I see my doc for test results from Spectracell and IGenex. I was reluctant to do the lyme testing. It's a dx that I'm not sure I want on my medical records, just like CFS and FMS are bad dx's to have in your medical records. Even a worse stigma with those, actually. Doctors write you off immediately, say there's no cure or treatment, and then chalk everything up to CFS, even if you've got an entirely different illness. Even if I find out I've got lyme, it won't change my treatment, but it will be another road block if I have to go to other doctors and they find out about it. :-( . I'll also get my Aldesterone test results today. Will report back if there's anything interesting. penny p.s. If anyone hasn't visited the spectracell website, I recommend doing so. They have very comprehensive testing available now which can tell you exactly what your deficiencies are. And apparently, they are covered by insurance. > > > > > > Here are 2 articles on Actinomycosis. A very > > > > > destructive, bone > > > > > > eating bacteria that for many many years was > > > > > thought to be a > > > > > fungus > > > > > > (hence the mycosis ending). A lot of docs still > > > > > mistakenly assume > > > > > > it's a fungus. A friend of mine recently, as a > > > > > last resort, went > > > > > to > > > > > > a cancer specialist who routinely works with head > > > > > and neck cancer > > > > > > and he discovered that she was full of actino > > > > > wormholing it's way > > > > > > through her sinuses and jaw. He said he sees this > > > > > all the time, > > > > > and > > > > > > isn't surprised, but that actino is very hard to > > > > > detect or > > > > > culture, > > > > > > so most docs are oblivious. And, interestingly, > > > > > Actinomycosis > > > > > looks > > > > > > much the same as lyme disease does on PCR testing. > > > > > Acording to my > > > > > > friend, when she talked to IGenex a couple years > > > > > back, they told > > > > > her > > > > > > that it would be quite possible to confuse actino > > > > > with lyme > > > > > > organisms in PCR testing. Whether this still holds > > > > > true, I don't > > > > > > know, but I think it would make sense to find out, > > > > > especially when > > > > > > you read below how many areas Actino affects, and > > > > > how difficult it > > > > > > is to treat. > > > > > > > > > > > > It's also interesting that one of Actino's forms > > > > > likes the lungs > > > > > and > > > > > > that it produces a granulomatous immune response. > > > > > Perhaps it's the > > > > > > cause of Sarcoidosis? It also can cause Pelvic > > > > > disease in women, > > > > > > tonsil problems, can affect the brain, etc. And > > > > > debridement of the > > > > > > jaw and sinuses is not, according to this cancer > > > > > specialist, a > > > > > good > > > > > > way to go, because you will just keep debriding > > > > > until there's no > > > > > > bone left. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actino is probably most commonly introduced > > > > > through dental or bone > > > > > > trauma or even tissue injury (I'm thinking how > > > > > many people seem > > > > > > inexplicably stricken with CFS after a whip lash > > > > > type injury). > > > > > > > > > > > > Actino apparently responds best to penicillin G, > > > > > but treatment can > > > > > > last a year or more. This is what my friend is > > > > > currently doing. > > > > > > Augmentin is also a drug that sometimes is > > > > > beneficial. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an organism that I think people should > > > > > really be looking > > > > > at > > > > > > as a possible culprit in their illnesses. > > > > > > > > > > > > penny > > > > > > > > > > > > Actinomycosis is a subacute-to-chronic bacterial > > > > > infection caused > > > > > by > > > > > > filamentous, gram-positive, > > > > > anaerobic-to-microaerophilic bacteria > > > > > > that are not acid fast. It is characterized by > > > > > contiguous spread, > > > > > > suppurative and granulomatous inflammatory > > > > > reaction, and formation > > > > > > of multiple abscesses and sinus tracts that > > > > > discharge sulfur > > > > > > granules. The most common clinical forms of > > > > > actinomycosis are > > > > > > cervicofacial (ie, lumpy jaw), thoracic, and > > > > > abdominal. In women, > > > > > > pelvic actinomycosis is common. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pathophysiology: The actinomycetes are prominent > > > > > among the normal > > > > > > flora of the oral cavity and less prominent in the > > > > > lower > > > > > > gastrointestinal tract and female genital tract. > > > > > As these > > > > > > microorganisms are not virulent, they require a > > > > > break in the > > > > > > integrity of the mucous membranes and the presence > > > > > of devitalized > > > > > > tissue to invade deeper body structures and cause > > > > > human illness. > > > > > > > > > > > > Furthermore, actinomycosis generally is a > > > > > polymicrobial infection, > > > > > > with isolates numbering as many as 5-10 bacterial > > > > > species. > > > > > > Establishment of human infection may require the > > > > > presence of such > > > > > > companion bacteria, which participate in the > > > > > production of > > > > > infection > > > > > > by elaborating a toxin or enzyme or by inhibiting > > > > > host defenses. > > > > > > These companion bacteria appear to act as > > > > > copathogens that enhance > > > > > > the relatively low invasive power of > > > > > actinomycetes. Specifically, > > > > > > they are responsible for the early manifestations > > > > > of the infection > > > > > > and for treatment failures. > > > > > > > > > > > > Once infection is established, the host mounts an > > > > > intense > > > > > > inflammatory (ie, suppurative, granulomatous) > > > > > response, and > > > > > fibrosis > > > > > > develops subsequently. Infection typically spreads > > > > > contiguously, > > > > > > frequently ignoring tissue planes and invading > > > > > surrounding tissues > > > > > > or organs. Ultimately, the infection produces > > > > > draining sinus > > > > > tracts. > > > > > > Hematogenous dissemination to distant organs may > > > > > occur in any > > > > > stage > > > > > > of the infection, whereas lymphatic dissemination > > > > > is unusual. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis > > > > > > > > > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis is the most common > > > > > manifestation, > > > > > > comprising 50-70% of reported cases. Infection > > > > > typically occurs > > > > > > following oral surgery or in patients with poor > > > > > dental hygiene. > > > > > This > > > > > > form of actinomycosis is characterized in the > > > > > initial stages by > > > > > soft- > > > > > > tissue swelling of the perimandibular area. Direct > > > > > spread into the > > > > > > adjacent tissues occurs over time, along with > > > > > development of > > > > > > fistulas that discharge purulent material > > > > > containing yellow (ie, > > > > > > sulfur) granules. Invasion of the cranium or the > > > > > bloodstream may > > > > > > occur if the disease is left untreated. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis accounts for 15-20% of > > > > > cases. Aspiration of > > > > > > oropharyngeal secretions containing actinomycetes > > > > > is the usual > > > > > > mechanism of infection. Occasionally, thoracic > > > > > actinomycosis may > > > > > > result from the introduction of organisms via > > > > > esophageal > > > > > > perforation, by direct spread from an > > > > > actinomycotic process of the > > > > > > neck or abdomen, or via hematogenous spread from a > > > > > distant lesion. > > > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis commonly presents as a > > > > > pulmonary infiltrate > > > > > > or mass, which, if left untreated, can spread to > > > > > involve the > > > > > pleura, > > > > > > pericardium, and chest wall, ultimately leading to > > > > > the formation > > > > > of > > > > > > sinuses that discharge sulfur granules. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actinomycosis of the abdomen and pelvis > > > > > > > > > > > > Actinomycosis of the abdomen and pelvis accounts > > > > > for 10-20% of > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Penny That's all good news and covering you from many angles like the tibetan guy is what ilnesses are all about. We are what we eat and it plays big into the equation of ill health. I basically think my body may have been crying out for help after receiving 10 lattes a day for years on end. Look everything needs correct supplementation, the oinly variable may be- DON " T FEED YOUR INFECTION.So I suppose finding out your deficiences and supplementing them carefully to estavblish a baseline of what works best and what works worst is also important. I take potassium now and again and it definately helps. The one I take is the doctor prescribed type taht are over the counter.I try and use the supplements that a hospital system would use because they use the agents that obviously have the testing in place. I would imagine someone low in potassium would come up a few levels in there bloodwork while being supplemented in hospital, otherwise they'd throw them out as useless. > > > > > > > Here are 2 articles on Actinomycosis. A very > > > > > > destructive, bone > > > > > > > eating bacteria that for many many years was > > > > > > thought to be a > > > > > > fungus > > > > > > > (hence the mycosis ending). A lot of docs still > > > > > > mistakenly assume > > > > > > > it's a fungus. A friend of mine recently, as a > > > > > > last resort, went > > > > > > to > > > > > > > a cancer specialist who routinely works with head > > > > > > and neck cancer > > > > > > > and he discovered that she was full of actino > > > > > > wormholing it's way > > > > > > > through her sinuses and jaw. He said he sees this > > > > > > all the time, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > isn't surprised, but that actino is very hard to > > > > > > detect or > > > > > > culture, > > > > > > > so most docs are oblivious. And, interestingly, > > > > > > Actinomycosis > > > > > > looks > > > > > > > much the same as lyme disease does on PCR testing. > > > > > > Acording to my > > > > > > > friend, when she talked to IGenex a couple years > > > > > > back, they told > > > > > > her > > > > > > > that it would be quite possible to confuse actino > > > > > > with lyme > > > > > > > organisms in PCR testing. Whether this still holds > > > > > > true, I don't > > > > > > > know, but I think it would make sense to find out, > > > > > > especially when > > > > > > > you read below how many areas Actino affects, and > > > > > > how difficult it > > > > > > > is to treat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's also interesting that one of Actino's forms > > > > > > likes the lungs > > > > > > and > > > > > > > that it produces a granulomatous immune response. > > > > > > Perhaps it's the > > > > > > > cause of Sarcoidosis? It also can cause Pelvic > > > > > > disease in women, > > > > > > > tonsil problems, can affect the brain, etc. And > > > > > > debridement of the > > > > > > > jaw and sinuses is not, according to this cancer > > > > > > specialist, a > > > > > > good > > > > > > > way to go, because you will just keep debriding > > > > > > until there's no > > > > > > > bone left. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actino is probably most commonly introduced > > > > > > through dental or bone > > > > > > > trauma or even tissue injury (I'm thinking how > > > > > > many people seem > > > > > > > inexplicably stricken with CFS after a whip lash > > > > > > type injury). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actino apparently responds best to penicillin G, > > > > > > but treatment can > > > > > > > last a year or more. This is what my friend is > > > > > > currently doing. > > > > > > > Augmentin is also a drug that sometimes is > > > > > > beneficial. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an organism that I think people should > > > > > > really be looking > > > > > > at > > > > > > > as a possible culprit in their illnesses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > penny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actinomycosis is a subacute-to-chronic bacterial > > > > > > infection caused > > > > > > by > > > > > > > filamentous, gram-positive, > > > > > > anaerobic-to-microaerophilic bacteria > > > > > > > that are not acid fast. It is characterized by > > > > > > contiguous spread, > > > > > > > suppurative and granulomatous inflammatory > > > > > > reaction, and formation > > > > > > > of multiple abscesses and sinus tracts that > > > > > > discharge sulfur > > > > > > > granules. The most common clinical forms of > > > > > > actinomycosis are > > > > > > > cervicofacial (ie, lumpy jaw), thoracic, and > > > > > > abdominal. In women, > > > > > > > pelvic actinomycosis is common. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pathophysiology: The actinomycetes are prominent > > > > > > among the normal > > > > > > > flora of the oral cavity and less prominent in the > > > > > > lower > > > > > > > gastrointestinal tract and female genital tract. > > > > > > As these > > > > > > > microorganisms are not virulent, they require a > > > > > > break in the > > > > > > > integrity of the mucous membranes and the presence > > > > > > of devitalized > > > > > > > tissue to invade deeper body structures and cause > > > > > > human illness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Furthermore, actinomycosis generally is a > > > > > > polymicrobial infection, > > > > > > > with isolates numbering as many as 5-10 bacterial > > > > > > species. > > > > > > > Establishment of human infection may require the > > > > > > presence of such > > > > > > > companion bacteria, which participate in the > > > > > > production of > > > > > > infection > > > > > > > by elaborating a toxin or enzyme or by inhibiting > > > > > > host defenses. > > > > > > > These companion bacteria appear to act as > > > > > > copathogens that enhance > > > > > > > the relatively low invasive power of > > > > > > actinomycetes. Specifically, > > > > > > > they are responsible for the early manifestations > > > > > > of the infection > > > > > > > and for treatment failures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once infection is established, the host mounts an > > > > > > intense > > > > > > > inflammatory (ie, suppurative, granulomatous) > > > > > > response, and > > > > > > fibrosis > > > > > > > develops subsequently. Infection typically spreads > > > > > > contiguously, > > > > > > > frequently ignoring tissue planes and invading > > > > > > surrounding tissues > > > > > > > or organs. Ultimately, the infection produces > > > > > > draining sinus > > > > > > tracts. > > > > > > > Hematogenous dissemination to distant organs may > > > > > > occur in any > > > > > > stage > > > > > > > of the infection, whereas lymphatic dissemination > > > > > > is unusual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis is the most common > > > > > > manifestation, > > > > > > > comprising 50-70% of reported cases. Infection > > > > > > typically occurs > > > > > > > following oral surgery or in patients with poor > > > > > > dental hygiene. > > > > > > This > > > > > > > form of actinomycosis is characterized in the > > > > > > initial stages by > > > > > > soft- > > > > > > > tissue swelling of the perimandibular area. Direct > > > > > > spread into the > > > > > > > adjacent tissues occurs over time, along with > > > > > > development of > > > > > > > fistulas that discharge purulent material > > > > > > containing yellow (ie, > > > > > > > sulfur) granules. Invasion of the cranium or the > > > > > > bloodstream may > > > > > > > occur if the disease is left untreated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis accounts for 15-20% of > > > > > > cases. Aspiration of > > > > > > > oropharyngeal secretions containing actinomycetes > > > > > > is the usual > > > > > > > mechanism of infection. Occasionally, thoracic > > > > > > actinomycosis may > > > > > > > result from the introduction of organisms via > > > > > > esophageal > > > > > > > perforation, by direct spread from an > > > > > > actinomycotic process of the > > > > > > > neck or abdomen, or via hematogenous spread from a > > > > > > distant lesion. > > > > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis commonly presents as a > > > > > > pulmonary infiltrate > > > > > > > or mass, which, if left untreated, can spread to > > > > > > involve the > > > > > > pleura, > > > > > > > pericardium, and chest wall, ultimately leading to > > > > > > the formation > > > > > > of > > > > > > > sinuses that discharge sulfur granules. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actinomycosis of the abdomen and pelvis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actinomycosis of the abdomen and pelvis accounts > > > > > > for 10-20% of > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > > http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 Thanks Penny, Do you mean that if you have a blood sample taken at your doctor's lab you then run it to a hospital lab within 15 minutes? Or if you have it done originally at a hospital lab there is another lab within the hospital that it needs to go to? My doctor works at Emory (one of the satellite clinics) and could probably arrange for these tests to be done at the main hospital. Is the blood test just called Actinomycosis on the lab request or is there another name for it? As far as the bone biopsy, I tried to persue that and was referred to a periodontist who as it turned out refused to do the bone biopsy (even though he was an oral surgeon) and wrote up the visit so that Medicare wouldn't cover it because he did not believe in such things being caused by aggressive stealth bacteria. His response was merely to lump it into the wastebasket term periodontal disease. My GP did not know what to do or where to go after that so he just let it drop. Whatever doctor we go to with these requests needs to know the exact procedure for diagnosing these kinds of bugs and has to, for one, believe that these immune diseases cause this kind of bone loss in the jaw and possibly sinuses. Otherwise you get this response. It would be very helpful if your friend or her doctor could provide either some names of doctors who are sufficiently aware that this happens and know exactly how to collect and handle the blood, sinus, and/or bone specimens, or if the doctor would be willing to take consultations himself. We don't want the lab to do it incorrectly or fail to look for things they should be looking for. Also, if one were to persue this kind of help at Mayo Clinic, which department would they contact? Would it be ENT, oral surgery, or possibly infectious disease? I suspect that even within those departments you might still find that the majority of doctors would look at you as if you were nuts when you approach them with this seemingly rare request. The fact that your friend's cancer specialist made the statement that he " sees it all the time " says to me that alot of other doctors miss this bug and so it's under-documented. I wonder if some are testing for it but either the doctor is ordering the wrong (or not sensitive enough) test, or whether some people are getting false negatives because the assay is missing it? In this era of managed care people have to be sure no corners are being cut, as there are usually good, better, and best tests available for the same microorganism. I spoke with one patient who also had some success with imaging of the sinus floor which was actually a modified dental X-ray, but I did not get the impression anybody had used this technique on anyone but her. She had a team of extremely flexible radiologists and doctors who agreed to do this experimentally just for her case. I'm not sure whether it was paid for out-of-pocket or if insurance covered it. Its a little scary that these bacteria pretty much get away scott-free because tests and other techniques are not standardized and doctors aren't even being taught that this is any big issue. Please let us know any further information you are able to get on this. Thanks, Pippit > > > Here are 2 articles on Actinomycosis. A very destructive, bone > > > eating bacteria that for many many years was thought to be a > fungus > > > (hence the mycosis ending). A lot of docs still mistakenly > assume > > > it's a fungus. A friend of mine recently, as a last resort, went > to > > > a cancer specialist who routinely works with head and neck > cancer > > > and he discovered that she was full of actino wormholing it's > way > > > through her sinuses and jaw. He said he sees this all the time, > and > > > isn't surprised, but that actino is very hard to detect or > culture, > > > so most docs are oblivious. And, interestingly, Actinomycosis > looks > > > much the same as lyme disease does on PCR testing. Acording to > my > > > friend, when she talked to IGenex a couple years back, they told > > her > > > that it would be quite possible to confuse actino with lyme > > > organisms in PCR testing. Whether this still holds true, I don't > > > know, but I think it would make sense to find out, especially > when > > > you read below how many areas Actino affects, and how difficult > it > > > is to treat. > > > > > > It's also interesting that one of Actino's forms likes the lungs > > and > > > that it produces a granulomatous immune response. Perhaps it's > the > > > cause of Sarcoidosis? It also can cause Pelvic disease in women, > > > tonsil problems, can affect the brain, etc. And debridement of > the > > > jaw and sinuses is not, according to this cancer specialist, a > good > > > way to go, because you will just keep debriding until there's no > > > bone left. > > > > > > Actino is probably most commonly introduced through dental or > bone > > > trauma or even tissue injury (I'm thinking how many people seem > > > inexplicably stricken with CFS after a whip lash type injury). > > > > > > Actino apparently responds best to penicillin G, but treatment > can > > > last a year or more. This is what my friend is currently doing. > > > Augmentin is also a drug that sometimes is beneficial. > > > > > > This is an organism that I think people should really be looking > at > > > as a possible culprit in their illnesses. > > > > > > penny > > > > > > Actinomycosis is a subacute-to-chronic bacterial infection > caused > > by > > > filamentous, gram-positive, anaerobic-to-microaerophilic > bacteria > > > that are not acid fast. It is characterized by contiguous > spread, > > > suppurative and granulomatous inflammatory reaction, and > formation > > > of multiple abscesses and sinus tracts that discharge sulfur > > > granules. The most common clinical forms of actinomycosis are > > > cervicofacial (ie, lumpy jaw), thoracic, and abdominal. In > women, > > > pelvic actinomycosis is common. > > > > > > Pathophysiology: The actinomycetes are prominent among the > normal > > > flora of the oral cavity and less prominent in the lower > > > gastrointestinal tract and female genital tract. As these > > > microorganisms are not virulent, they require a break in the > > > integrity of the mucous membranes and the presence of > devitalized > > > tissue to invade deeper body structures and cause human illness. > > > > > > Furthermore, actinomycosis generally is a polymicrobial > infection, > > > with isolates numbering as many as 5-10 bacterial species. > > > Establishment of human infection may require the presence of > such > > > companion bacteria, which participate in the production of > > infection > > > by elaborating a toxin or enzyme or by inhibiting host defenses. > > > These companion bacteria appear to act as copathogens that > enhance > > > the relatively low invasive power of actinomycetes. > Specifically, > > > they are responsible for the early manifestations of the > infection > > > and for treatment failures. > > > > > > Once infection is established, the host mounts an intense > > > inflammatory (ie, suppurative, granulomatous) response, and > > fibrosis > > > develops subsequently. Infection typically spreads contiguously, > > > frequently ignoring tissue planes and invading surrounding > tissues > > > or organs. Ultimately, the infection produces draining sinus > > tracts. > > > Hematogenous dissemination to distant organs may occur in any > stage > > > of the infection, whereas lymphatic dissemination is unusual. > > > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis > > > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis is the most common manifestation, > > > comprising 50-70% of reported cases. Infection typically occurs > > > following oral surgery or in patients with poor dental hygiene. > > This > > > form of actinomycosis is characterized in the initial stages by > > soft- > > > tissue swelling of the perimandibular area. Direct spread into > the > > > adjacent tissues occurs over time, along with development of > > > fistulas that discharge purulent material containing yellow (ie, > > > sulfur) granules. Invasion of the cranium or the bloodstream may > > > occur if the disease is left untreated. > > > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis > > > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis accounts for 15-20% of cases. Aspiration > of > > > oropharyngeal secretions containing actinomycetes is the usual > > > mechanism of infection. Occasionally, thoracic actinomycosis may > > > result from the introduction of organisms via esophageal > > > perforation, by direct spread from an actinomycotic process of > the > > > neck or abdomen, or via hematogenous spread from a distant > lesion. > > > Thoracic actinomycosis commonly presents as a pulmonary > infiltrate > > > or mass, which, if left untreated, can spread to involve the > > pleura, > > > pericardium, and chest wall, ultimately leading to the formation > of > > > sinuses that discharge sulfur granules. > > > > > > Actinomycosis of the abdomen and pelvis > > > > > > Actinomycosis of the abdomen and pelvis accounts for 10-20% of > > > reported cases. Typically, patients have a history of recent or > > > remote bowel surgery (eg, perforated acute appendicitis, > perforated > > > colonic diverticulitis following trauma to the abdomen) or > > ingestion > > > of foreign bodies (eg, chicken or fish bones), during which > > > actinomycetes is introduced into the deep tissues. The ileocecal > > > region is involved most frequently, and the disease presents > > > classically as a slowly growing tumor. Involvement of any > abdominal > > > organ, including the abdominal wall, can occur by direct spread, > > > with eventual formation of draining sinuses. Actinomycosis of > the > > > pelvis most commonly occurs by the ascending route from the > uterus > > > in association with intrauterine contraceptive devices (IUCDs). > In > > > such cases, an IUCD has been in place for an average of 8 years. > > > > > > Frequency: > > > > > > In the US: Actinomycosis is a rare infection. During the 1970s, > the > > > reported annual incidence in the Cleveland area was 1 case per > > > 300,000. Improved dental hygiene and widespread use of > antibiotics > > > for various infections probably have contributed to the > declining > > > incidence of this disease. > > > Internationally: Actinomycosis occurs worldwide, with likely > higher > > > prevalence rates in areas with low socioeconomic status and poor > > > dental hygiene. > > > Mortality/Morbidity: The availability of antibiotics has greatly > > > improved the prognosis for all forms of actinomycosis. At > present, > > > cure rates are high and neither deformity nor death is common. > > > > > > Race: No racial predilection exists. > > > > > > Sex: For unknown reasons, men are affected more commonly than > > women, > > > with the exception of pelvic actinomycosis. The reported male- to- > > > female ratio is 3:1. > > > > > > Age: Actinomycosis can affect people of all ages, but the > majority > > > of cases are reported in young to middle-aged adults (aged 20- 50 > > y). > > > > > > http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic31.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > Actinomycosis > > > > > > Definition of Actinomycosis > > > Actinomycosis is an infection caused by a bacterium called > > > Actinomyces israelii (A. israelii). > > > > > > Description of Actinomycosis > > > Actinomycosis (also known as Rivalta disease, big jaw, clams, > lumpy > > > jaw or wooden tongue) is an infection, commonly of the face and > > > neck, that produces abscesses (collections of pus) and open- > > draining > > > sinuses (tracts in the skin). > > > > > > Actinomycosis is caused by a bacterium called Actinomyces > israelii > > > (A. israelii). It occurs normally in the mouth and tonsils. This > > > bacterium may cause infection when it is introduced into the > soft > > > tissues by trauma, surgery or another infection. Once in the > > > tissues, it may form an abscess that develops into a hard red to > > > reddish purple lump. When the abscess breaks through the skin, > it > > > forms pus-discharging lesions. > > > > > > There are at least five (5) types of actinomycosis: > > > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis occurs in the mouth, neck and head > > > region. The bacterium enters through the periodontium (the > tissues > > > surrounding and supporting the teeth), soft tissue wounds or > > > salivary gland ducts. It is believed that infection may arise > after > > > a tooth extraction, from tooth decay or abscess, as a part of > > > periodontal disease, from a nonpenetrating jaw trauma, poor > dental > > > hygiene, or mucosal injuries. > > > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis develops slowly. The area becomes > hard, > > > the overlying skin becomes reddish and swelling appears in the > > mouth > > > and neck. Abscesses develop within and eventually drain to the > > > surface where sulfur granules (yellowish gray masses), masses of > > > filamentous (long, threadlike structure) organisms, may be found > in > > > the pus. > > > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis involves the lungs and mediastinum > (region > > > between the two lungs). The disease begins with fever, cough, > and > > > sputum production. The patient becomes weak, loses weight and > may > > > have night sweats and shortness of breath. Multiple sinuses may > > > extend through the chest wall, to the heart, or into the > abdominal > > > cavity. Ribs may be involved. Occasionally, cervicofacial and > > > thoracic disease may result in nervous system complications - > most > > > commonly brain abscesses or meningitis. > > > > > > Abdominal actinomycosis are mostly preceded by surgery such as > > > laparotomy for acute appendicitis, perforated ulcer, or > gallbladder > > > inflammation. Infection usually begins in the gastrointestinal > > tract > > > and spreads to the abdominal wall. Spiking fever and chills, > > > intestinal colic, vomiting, and weight loss, a palpable (can be > > > felt) mass and an external sinus are evident in this type of > > > actinomycosis. This type of actinomycosis may be mistaken for > > > Crohn's disease, malignancy, tuberculosis, Amebiasis (an > infection > > > of the intestine or liver), or chronic appendicitis. > > > > > > Pelvic actinomycosis affects the women's pelvic area and may > cause > > > lower abdominal pain, fever, and bleeding between menstrual > > periods. > > > This form of the infection has been associated with the use of > IUDs > > > (intra-uterine devices) that do not contain copper. > > > > > > Generalized actinomycosis may involve the skin, brain, liver and > > > urogenital system. > > > > > > Diagnosis of Actinomycosis > > > Actinomycosis may be hard to diagnose at onset. There are lab > tests > > > that may isolate actinomyces in pus or tissue specimens. > > > > > > Treatment of Actinomycosis > > > Treatment for actinomycosis is long term, generally with up to > one > > > month of intravenous penicillin G, followed by weeks to months > of > > > penicillin taken by mouth. Additionally, surgical excision and > > > drainage of abscesses may be necessary. > > > > > > http://www.healthscout.com/ency/68/258/main.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 Hi Penny, It's interesting that you mention a kind of salty taste. I have that to varying degrees, sometimes very slight and at other times it's almost like brine in my mouth. I am currently on Minocycline, Benicar, and Zithromax, so I still don't know if this is endotoxin or active infection/infestation that the abx is not reaching. I have had alot more sinus drainage lately but not sure if that's pus or just mucus. It concerns me when you say that after you had surgery in that area the infection spread. A bone biopsy although small, is still invasive and may excellerate the infection. I wonder also if it can be detected in saliva? The doctor your friend saw also seemed to document it pretty well with imaging methods. If you could put me in touch with him maybe either he could give my doctor complete instructions and have me see somebody locally whom he recommends or maybe he'd be willing to see me as a consult. Feel free to backchannel me off list if you need to. Thanks, Pippit > > > > > > Here are 2 articles on Actinomycosis. A very > > > > > destructive, bone > > > > > > eating bacteria that for many many years was > > > > > thought to be a > > > > > fungus > > > > > > (hence the mycosis ending). A lot of docs still > > > > > mistakenly assume > > > > > > it's a fungus. A friend of mine recently, as a > > > > > last resort, went > > > > > to > > > > > > a cancer specialist who routinely works with head > > > > > and neck cancer > > > > > > and he discovered that she was full of actino > > > > > wormholing it's way > > > > > > through her sinuses and jaw. He said he sees this > > > > > all the time, > > > > > and > > > > > > isn't surprised, but that actino is very hard to > > > > > detect or > > > > > culture, > > > > > > so most docs are oblivious. And, interestingly, > > > > > Actinomycosis > > > > > looks > > > > > > much the same as lyme disease does on PCR testing. > > > > > Acording to my > > > > > > friend, when she talked to IGenex a couple years > > > > > back, they told > > > > > her > > > > > > that it would be quite possible to confuse actino > > > > > with lyme > > > > > > organisms in PCR testing. Whether this still holds > > > > > true, I don't > > > > > > know, but I think it would make sense to find out, > > > > > especially when > > > > > > you read below how many areas Actino affects, and > > > > > how difficult it > > > > > > is to treat. > > > > > > > > > > > > It's also interesting that one of Actino's forms > > > > > likes the lungs > > > > > and > > > > > > that it produces a granulomatous immune response. > > > > > Perhaps it's the > > > > > > cause of Sarcoidosis? It also can cause Pelvic > > > > > disease in women, > > > > > > tonsil problems, can affect the brain, etc. And > > > > > debridement of the > > > > > > jaw and sinuses is not, according to this cancer > > > > > specialist, a > > > > > good > > > > > > way to go, because you will just keep debriding > > > > > until there's no > > > > > > bone left. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actino is probably most commonly introduced > > > > > through dental or bone > > > > > > trauma or even tissue injury (I'm thinking how > > > > > many people seem > > > > > > inexplicably stricken with CFS after a whip lash > > > > > type injury). > > > > > > > > > > > > Actino apparently responds best to penicillin G, > > > > > but treatment can > > > > > > last a year or more. This is what my friend is > > > > > currently doing. > > > > > > Augmentin is also a drug that sometimes is > > > > > beneficial. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an organism that I think people should > > > > > really be looking > > > > > at > > > > > > as a possible culprit in their illnesses. > > > > > > > > > > > > penny > > > > > > > > > > > > Actinomycosis is a subacute-to-chronic bacterial > > > > > infection caused > > > > > by > > > > > > filamentous, gram-positive, > > > > > anaerobic-to-microaerophilic bacteria > > > > > > that are not acid fast. It is characterized by > > > > > contiguous spread, > > > > > > suppurative and granulomatous inflammatory > > > > > reaction, and formation > > > > > > of multiple abscesses and sinus tracts that > > > > > discharge sulfur > > > > > > granules. The most common clinical forms of > > > > > actinomycosis are > > > > > > cervicofacial (ie, lumpy jaw), thoracic, and > > > > > abdominal. In women, > > > > > > pelvic actinomycosis is common. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pathophysiology: The actinomycetes are prominent > > > > > among the normal > > > > > > flora of the oral cavity and less prominent in the > > > > > lower > > > > > > gastrointestinal tract and female genital tract. > > > > > As these > > > > > > microorganisms are not virulent, they require a > > > > > break in the > > > > > > integrity of the mucous membranes and the presence > > > > > of devitalized > > > > > > tissue to invade deeper body structures and cause > > > > > human illness. > > > > > > > > > > > > Furthermore, actinomycosis generally is a > > > > > polymicrobial infection, > > > > > > with isolates numbering as many as 5-10 bacterial > > > > > species. > > > > > > Establishment of human infection may require the > > > > > presence of such > > > > > > companion bacteria, which participate in the > > > > > production of > > > > > infection > > > > > > by elaborating a toxin or enzyme or by inhibiting > > > > > host defenses. > > > > > > These companion bacteria appear to act as > > > > > copathogens that enhance > > > > > > the relatively low invasive power of > > > > > actinomycetes. Specifically, > > > > > > they are responsible for the early manifestations > > > > > of the infection > > > > > > and for treatment failures. > > > > > > > > > > > > Once infection is established, the host mounts an > > > > > intense > > > > > > inflammatory (ie, suppurative, granulomatous) > > > > > response, and > > > > > fibrosis > > > > > > develops subsequently. Infection typically spreads > > > > > contiguously, > > > > > > frequently ignoring tissue planes and invading > > > > > surrounding tissues > > > > > > or organs. Ultimately, the infection produces > > > > > draining sinus > > > > > tracts. > > > > > > Hematogenous dissemination to distant organs may > > > > > occur in any > > > > > stage > > > > > > of the infection, whereas lymphatic dissemination > > > > > is unusual. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis > > > > > > > > > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis is the most common > > > > > manifestation, > > > > > > comprising 50-70% of reported cases. Infection > > > > > typically occurs > > > > > > following oral surgery or in patients with poor > > > > > dental hygiene. > > > > > This > > > > > > form of actinomycosis is characterized in the > > > > > initial stages by > > > > > soft- > > > > > > tissue swelling of the perimandibular area. Direct > > > > > spread into the > > > > > > adjacent tissues occurs over time, along with > > > > > development of > > > > > > fistulas that discharge purulent material > > > > > containing yellow (ie, > > > > > > sulfur) granules. Invasion of the cranium or the > > > > > bloodstream may > > > > > > occur if the disease is left untreated. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis accounts for 15-20% of > > > > > cases. Aspiration of > > > > > > oropharyngeal secretions containing actinomycetes > > > > > is the usual > > > > > > mechanism of infection. Occasionally, thoracic > > > > > actinomycosis may > > > > > > result from the introduction of organisms via > > > > > esophageal > > > > > > perforation, by direct spread from an > > > > > actinomycotic process of the > > > > > > neck or abdomen, or via hematogenous spread from a > > > > > distant lesion. > > > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis commonly presents as a > > > > > pulmonary infiltrate > > > > > > or mass, which, if left untreated, can spread to > > > > > involve the > > > > > pleura, > > > > > > pericardium, and chest wall, ultimately leading to > > > > > the formation > > > > > of > > > > > > sinuses that discharge sulfur granules. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actinomycosis of the abdomen and pelvis > > > > > > > > > > > > Actinomycosis of the abdomen and pelvis accounts > > > > > for 10-20% of > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 I noticed that emedicine states that the treatment of choice (in pill form ) was penicillin vk 500mg every 6 hrs for 6 to 12 months. does anyone have a doctor that is willing to undertake such a long term treatment with antibiotics. even though there is little chance for drug restrance, I have talked to doctors who were not confortable with that long term commentment. seems to me they were thinking of short term antibiotics to get me over the bad spells, then throw it back to my own immune system, sort of the old sink or swim health care system that we have always had. jimd --- granulomabuster <pippit@...> wrote: > Thanks Penny, > > Do you mean that if you have a blood sample > taken at your > doctor's lab you then run it to a hospital lab > within 15 minutes? Or > if you have it done originally at a hospital lab > there is another lab > within the hospital that it needs to go to? My > doctor works at Emory > (one of the satellite clinics) and could probably > arrange for these > tests to be done at the main hospital. Is the blood > test just called > Actinomycosis on the lab request or is there another > name for it? > > As far as the bone biopsy, I tried to persue > that and was > referred to a periodontist who as it turned out > refused to do the > bone biopsy (even though he was an oral surgeon) and > wrote up the > visit so that Medicare wouldn't cover it because he > did not believe > in such things being caused by aggressive stealth > bacteria. His > response was merely to lump it into the wastebasket > term periodontal > disease. My GP did not know what to do or where to > go after that so > he just let it drop. > > Whatever doctor we go to with these requests > needs to know the > exact procedure for diagnosing these kinds of bugs > and has to, for > one, believe that these immune diseases cause this > kind of bone loss > in the jaw and possibly sinuses. Otherwise you get > this response. > > It would be very helpful if your friend or her > doctor could > provide either some names of doctors who are > sufficiently aware that > this happens and know exactly how to collect and > handle the blood, > sinus, and/or bone specimens, or if the doctor would > be willing to > take consultations himself. We don't want the lab to > do it > incorrectly or fail to look for things they should > be looking for. > > Also, if one were to persue this kind of help > at Mayo Clinic, > which department would they contact? Would it be > ENT, oral surgery, > or possibly infectious disease? I suspect that even > within those > departments you might still find that the majority > of doctors would > look at you as if you were nuts when you approach > them with this > seemingly rare request. > > The fact that your friend's cancer specialist > made the statement > that he " sees it all the time " says to me that alot > of other doctors > miss this bug and so it's under-documented. I wonder > if some are > testing for it but either the doctor is ordering the > wrong (or not > sensitive enough) test, or whether some people are > getting false > negatives because the assay is missing it? In this > era of managed > care people have to be sure no corners are being > cut, as there are > usually good, better, and best tests available for > the same > microorganism. > > I spoke with one patient who also had some > success with imaging > of the sinus floor which was actually a modified > dental X-ray, but I > did not get the impression anybody had used this > technique on anyone > but her. She had a team of extremely flexible > radiologists and > doctors who agreed to do this experimentally just > for her case. I'm > not sure whether it was paid for out-of-pocket or if > insurance > covered it. > > Its a little scary that these bacteria pretty > much get away > scott-free because tests and other techniques are > not standardized > and doctors aren't even being taught that this is > any big issue. > > Please let us know any further information you > are able to get > on this. > > Thanks, > > Pippit > > > > > > Here are 2 articles on Actinomycosis. A very > destructive, bone > > > > eating bacteria that for many many years was > thought to be a > > fungus > > > > (hence the mycosis ending). A lot of docs > still mistakenly > > assume > > > > it's a fungus. A friend of mine recently, as a > last resort, > went > > to > > > > a cancer specialist who routinely works with > head and neck > > cancer > > > > and he discovered that she was full of actino > wormholing it's > > way > > > > through her sinuses and jaw. He said he sees > this all the time, > > and > > > > isn't surprised, but that actino is very hard > to === message truncated === ____________________________________________________ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 I'm checking with my friend to get the name/s of the Mayo Doctors who tested her for this the first time, and the exact procedure. Even with the exact procedure, it's hard to capture the bugs because they die when they're exposed to the air outside the body. The temp and timing is very important, and even when these procedures are followed, you can end up with negative results, as my friend has discovered here in San Diego, even with cooperative docs. It's been frustrating to her ever since the Mayo dx that it couldn't be duplicated, so no one would really take her claims seriously, or believe that certain drugs seemed to work for her, coincidentally the same drugs that are good against actino. Like Augmentin, which she always swore by. Now she's on penicillin G, another actino drug, since this latest revelation. Since it's so hard to test for, the best bet may be a therapeutic probe, is much what we're doing all the time anyway with these infections. If Actino drugs like augmentin, penicillin, or Unisyn help your symptoms, there's a good chance you're dealing with Actino. Especially if you've got sinus or jaw problems, but even if you don't have those problems (I never thought I did either, since I had no symptoms). Like her cancer specialist said, these bugs travel to the gut, and your first actual symptoms could be GI or pelvic problems. Anyway, when testing this, usually you've got a doc somewhere near the hospital, or perhaps in the hospital, getting a bone biopsy which is then put in a particular agar (culture medium) kept at a certain temp and deposited into the lab within 15 minutes of the extraction (the hospitals usually have runners, but to be sure, you can do it yourself - or have a friend run it). The lab is already prepared to receive the sample and knows what to do with it. But like you say, it's very difficult to even find someone to do a bone biopsy. I found a doc who'd do it, because he was sympathetic, having this disease himself. Unfortunately, the disease killed him, when the infection went to his brain. The good news was, I found organisms that don't belong in bone, and got an osteomyelitis dx, which is taken much more seriously than a CFS dx. The only problem then is finding someone willing to treat osteomyelitis of the jaw (and insurance companies aren't happy, because any form of treatment is expensive, especially i.v. abx, hyperbarics, etc). If I get the entire correct lab procedure in written form (which I've seen before), I'll post it. You might also just google how to culture actinomyces. You'll probably turn up some information. penny > > > > Here are 2 articles on Actinomycosis. A very destructive, bone > > > > eating bacteria that for many many years was thought to be a > > fungus > > > > (hence the mycosis ending). A lot of docs still mistakenly > > assume > > > > it's a fungus. A friend of mine recently, as a last resort, > went > > to > > > > a cancer specialist who routinely works with head and neck > > cancer > > > > and he discovered that she was full of actino wormholing it's > > way > > > > through her sinuses and jaw. He said he sees this all the time, > > and > > > > isn't surprised, but that actino is very hard to detect or > > culture, > > > > so most docs are oblivious. And, interestingly, Actinomycosis > > looks > > > > much the same as lyme disease does on PCR testing. Acording to > > my > > > > friend, when she talked to IGenex a couple years back, they > told > > > her > > > > that it would be quite possible to confuse actino with lyme > > > > organisms in PCR testing. Whether this still holds true, I > don't > > > > know, but I think it would make sense to find out, especially > > when > > > > you read below how many areas Actino affects, and how difficult > > it > > > > is to treat. > > > > > > > > It's also interesting that one of Actino's forms likes the > lungs > > > and > > > > that it produces a granulomatous immune response. Perhaps it's > > the > > > > cause of Sarcoidosis? It also can cause Pelvic disease in > women, > > > > tonsil problems, can affect the brain, etc. And debridement of > > the > > > > jaw and sinuses is not, according to this cancer specialist, a > > good > > > > way to go, because you will just keep debriding until there's > no > > > > bone left. > > > > > > > > Actino is probably most commonly introduced through dental or > > bone > > > > trauma or even tissue injury (I'm thinking how many people seem > > > > inexplicably stricken with CFS after a whip lash type injury). > > > > > > > > Actino apparently responds best to penicillin G, but treatment > > can > > > > last a year or more. This is what my friend is currently doing. > > > > Augmentin is also a drug that sometimes is beneficial. > > > > > > > > This is an organism that I think people should really be > looking > > at > > > > as a possible culprit in their illnesses. > > > > > > > > penny > > > > > > > > Actinomycosis is a subacute-to-chronic bacterial infection > > caused > > > by > > > > filamentous, gram-positive, anaerobic-to-microaerophilic > > bacteria > > > > that are not acid fast. It is characterized by contiguous > > spread, > > > > suppurative and granulomatous inflammatory reaction, and > > formation > > > > of multiple abscesses and sinus tracts that discharge sulfur > > > > granules. The most common clinical forms of actinomycosis are > > > > cervicofacial (ie, lumpy jaw), thoracic, and abdominal. In > > women, > > > > pelvic actinomycosis is common. > > > > > > > > Pathophysiology: The actinomycetes are prominent among the > > normal > > > > flora of the oral cavity and less prominent in the lower > > > > gastrointestinal tract and female genital tract. As these > > > > microorganisms are not virulent, they require a break in the > > > > integrity of the mucous membranes and the presence of > > devitalized > > > > tissue to invade deeper body structures and cause human > illness. > > > > > > > > Furthermore, actinomycosis generally is a polymicrobial > > infection, > > > > with isolates numbering as many as 5-10 bacterial species. > > > > Establishment of human infection may require the presence of > > such > > > > companion bacteria, which participate in the production of > > > infection > > > > by elaborating a toxin or enzyme or by inhibiting host > defenses. > > > > These companion bacteria appear to act as copathogens that > > enhance > > > > the relatively low invasive power of actinomycetes. > > Specifically, > > > > they are responsible for the early manifestations of the > > infection > > > > and for treatment failures. > > > > > > > > Once infection is established, the host mounts an intense > > > > inflammatory (ie, suppurative, granulomatous) response, and > > > fibrosis > > > > develops subsequently. Infection typically spreads > contiguously, > > > > frequently ignoring tissue planes and invading surrounding > > tissues > > > > or organs. Ultimately, the infection produces draining sinus > > > tracts. > > > > Hematogenous dissemination to distant organs may occur in any > > stage > > > > of the infection, whereas lymphatic dissemination is unusual. > > > > > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis > > > > > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis is the most common manifestation, > > > > comprising 50-70% of reported cases. Infection typically occurs > > > > following oral surgery or in patients with poor dental hygiene. > > > This > > > > form of actinomycosis is characterized in the initial stages by > > > soft- > > > > tissue swelling of the perimandibular area. Direct spread into > > the > > > > adjacent tissues occurs over time, along with development of > > > > fistulas that discharge purulent material containing yellow > (ie, > > > > sulfur) granules. Invasion of the cranium or the bloodstream > may > > > > occur if the disease is left untreated. > > > > > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis > > > > > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis accounts for 15-20% of cases. Aspiration > > of > > > > oropharyngeal secretions containing actinomycetes is the usual > > > > mechanism of infection. Occasionally, thoracic actinomycosis > may > > > > result from the introduction of organisms via esophageal > > > > perforation, by direct spread from an actinomycotic process of > > the > > > > neck or abdomen, or via hematogenous spread from a distant > > lesion. > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis commonly presents as a pulmonary > > infiltrate > > > > or mass, which, if left untreated, can spread to involve the > > > pleura, > > > > pericardium, and chest wall, ultimately leading to the > formation > > of > > > > sinuses that discharge sulfur granules. > > > > > > > > Actinomycosis of the abdomen and pelvis > > > > > > > > Actinomycosis of the abdomen and pelvis accounts for 10-20% of > > > > reported cases. Typically, patients have a history of recent or > > > > remote bowel surgery (eg, perforated acute appendicitis, > > perforated > > > > colonic diverticulitis following trauma to the abdomen) or > > > ingestion > > > > of foreign bodies (eg, chicken or fish bones), during which > > > > actinomycetes is introduced into the deep tissues. The > ileocecal > > > > region is involved most frequently, and the disease presents > > > > classically as a slowly growing tumor. Involvement of any > > abdominal > > > > organ, including the abdominal wall, can occur by direct > spread, > > > > with eventual formation of draining sinuses. Actinomycosis of > > the > > > > pelvis most commonly occurs by the ascending route from the > > uterus > > > > in association with intrauterine contraceptive devices (IUCDs). > > In > > > > such cases, an IUCD has been in place for an average of 8 years. > > > > > > > > Frequency: > > > > > > > > In the US: Actinomycosis is a rare infection. During the 1970s, > > the > > > > reported annual incidence in the Cleveland area was 1 case per > > > > 300,000. Improved dental hygiene and widespread use of > > antibiotics > > > > for various infections probably have contributed to the > > declining > > > > incidence of this disease. > > > > Internationally: Actinomycosis occurs worldwide, with likely > > higher > > > > prevalence rates in areas with low socioeconomic status and > poor > > > > dental hygiene. > > > > Mortality/Morbidity: The availability of antibiotics has > greatly > > > > improved the prognosis for all forms of actinomycosis. At > > present, > > > > cure rates are high and neither deformity nor death is common. > > > > > > > > Race: No racial predilection exists. > > > > > > > > Sex: For unknown reasons, men are affected more commonly than > > > women, > > > > with the exception of pelvic actinomycosis. The reported male- > to- > > > > female ratio is 3:1. > > > > > > > > Age: Actinomycosis can affect people of all ages, but the > > majority > > > > of cases are reported in young to middle-aged adults (aged 20- > 50 > > > y). > > > > > > > > http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic31.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actinomycosis > > > > > > > > Definition of Actinomycosis > > > > Actinomycosis is an infection caused by a bacterium called > > > > Actinomyces israelii (A. israelii). > > > > > > > > Description of Actinomycosis > > > > Actinomycosis (also known as Rivalta disease, big jaw, clams, > > lumpy > > > > jaw or wooden tongue) is an infection, commonly of the face and > > > > neck, that produces abscesses (collections of pus) and open- > > > draining > > > > sinuses (tracts in the skin). > > > > > > > > Actinomycosis is caused by a bacterium called Actinomyces > > israelii > > > > (A. israelii). It occurs normally in the mouth and tonsils. > This > > > > bacterium may cause infection when it is introduced into the > > soft > > > > tissues by trauma, surgery or another infection. Once in the > > > > tissues, it may form an abscess that develops into a hard red > to > > > > reddish purple lump. When the abscess breaks through the skin, > > it > > > > forms pus-discharging lesions. > > > > > > > > There are at least five (5) types of actinomycosis: > > > > > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis occurs in the mouth, neck and head > > > > region. The bacterium enters through the periodontium (the > > tissues > > > > surrounding and supporting the teeth), soft tissue wounds or > > > > salivary gland ducts. It is believed that infection may arise > > after > > > > a tooth extraction, from tooth decay or abscess, as a part of > > > > periodontal disease, from a nonpenetrating jaw trauma, poor > > dental > > > > hygiene, or mucosal injuries. > > > > > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis develops slowly. The area becomes > > hard, > > > > the overlying skin becomes reddish and swelling appears in the > > > mouth > > > > and neck. Abscesses develop within and eventually drain to the > > > > surface where sulfur granules (yellowish gray masses), masses > of > > > > filamentous (long, threadlike structure) organisms, may be > found > > in > > > > the pus. > > > > > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis involves the lungs and mediastinum > > (region > > > > between the two lungs). The disease begins with fever, cough, > > and > > > > sputum production. The patient becomes weak, loses weight and > > may > > > > have night sweats and shortness of breath. Multiple sinuses may > > > > extend through the chest wall, to the heart, or into the > > abdominal > > > > cavity. Ribs may be involved. Occasionally, cervicofacial and > > > > thoracic disease may result in nervous system complications - > > most > > > > commonly brain abscesses or meningitis. > > > > > > > > Abdominal actinomycosis are mostly preceded by surgery such as > > > > laparotomy for acute appendicitis, perforated ulcer, or > > gallbladder > > > > inflammation. Infection usually begins in the gastrointestinal > > > tract > > > > and spreads to the abdominal wall. Spiking fever and chills, > > > > intestinal colic, vomiting, and weight loss, a palpable (can be > > > > felt) mass and an external sinus are evident in this type of > > > > actinomycosis. This type of actinomycosis may be mistaken for > > > > Crohn's disease, malignancy, tuberculosis, Amebiasis (an > > infection > > > > of the intestine or liver), or chronic appendicitis. > > > > > > > > Pelvic actinomycosis affects the women's pelvic area and may > > cause > > > > lower abdominal pain, fever, and bleeding between menstrual > > > periods. > > > > This form of the infection has been associated with the use of > > IUDs > > > > (intra-uterine devices) that do not contain copper. > > > > > > > > Generalized actinomycosis may involve the skin, brain, liver > and > > > > urogenital system. > > > > > > > > Diagnosis of Actinomycosis > > > > Actinomycosis may be hard to diagnose at onset. There are lab > > tests > > > > that may isolate actinomyces in pus or tissue specimens. > > > > > > > > Treatment of Actinomycosis > > > > Treatment for actinomycosis is long term, generally with up to > > one > > > > month of intravenous penicillin G, followed by weeks to months > > of > > > > penicillin taken by mouth. Additionally, surgical excision and > > > > drainage of abscesses may be necessary. > > > > > > > > http://www.healthscout.com/ency/68/258/main.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 Actually the imaging was done in a different state by a talented radiologist. My friend then took the images to a number of doctors including the cancer specialist and he could see the fistulas between sinus and jaw. He then sent a tiny camera into the area and photographed the characteristic pus that no one else has been able to identify the source of. My friend's fistula happens to go into her mouth, so she has pus draining into her mouth all the time. He saw it and said it was definitely actino, which is known for creating this fistulas (wormholes). Sadly, she probably wouldn't have this problem if she hadn't first had dental implants, and then surgical debridements, which were way too deep and not treated with abx, by a famous dental " NICO " specialist. Like I said, I'm happy I had the bone biopsies (tiny needle inserted into the suspected area of infection - or if you're having a tooth extracted or dental work done, it's the perfect opportunity for a bone culture). The OM proof gave me a much more " valid " dx when dealing with doctors, even though many still refuse to treat it, and dentists/oral surgeons don't want to believe it. Huge can of worms they don't want to deal with. Long term, chronically ill patients that they may have created? I'd probably rather live in denial too. penny > > > > > > > Here are 2 articles on Actinomycosis. A very > > > > > > destructive, bone > > > > > > > eating bacteria that for many many years was > > > > > > thought to be a > > > > > > fungus > > > > > > > (hence the mycosis ending). A lot of docs still > > > > > > mistakenly assume > > > > > > > it's a fungus. A friend of mine recently, as a > > > > > > last resort, went > > > > > > to > > > > > > > a cancer specialist who routinely works with head > > > > > > and neck cancer > > > > > > > and he discovered that she was full of actino > > > > > > wormholing it's way > > > > > > > through her sinuses and jaw. He said he sees this > > > > > > all the time, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > isn't surprised, but that actino is very hard to > > > > > > detect or > > > > > > culture, > > > > > > > so most docs are oblivious. And, interestingly, > > > > > > Actinomycosis > > > > > > looks > > > > > > > much the same as lyme disease does on PCR testing. > > > > > > Acording to my > > > > > > > friend, when she talked to IGenex a couple years > > > > > > back, they told > > > > > > her > > > > > > > that it would be quite possible to confuse actino > > > > > > with lyme > > > > > > > organisms in PCR testing. Whether this still holds > > > > > > true, I don't > > > > > > > know, but I think it would make sense to find out, > > > > > > especially when > > > > > > > you read below how many areas Actino affects, and > > > > > > how difficult it > > > > > > > is to treat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's also interesting that one of Actino's forms > > > > > > likes the lungs > > > > > > and > > > > > > > that it produces a granulomatous immune response. > > > > > > Perhaps it's the > > > > > > > cause of Sarcoidosis? It also can cause Pelvic > > > > > > disease in women, > > > > > > > tonsil problems, can affect the brain, etc. And > > > > > > debridement of the > > > > > > > jaw and sinuses is not, according to this cancer > > > > > > specialist, a > > > > > > good > > > > > > > way to go, because you will just keep debriding > > > > > > until there's no > > > > > > > bone left. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actino is probably most commonly introduced > > > > > > through dental or bone > > > > > > > trauma or even tissue injury (I'm thinking how > > > > > > many people seem > > > > > > > inexplicably stricken with CFS after a whip lash > > > > > > type injury). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actino apparently responds best to penicillin G, > > > > > > but treatment can > > > > > > > last a year or more. This is what my friend is > > > > > > currently doing. > > > > > > > Augmentin is also a drug that sometimes is > > > > > > beneficial. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an organism that I think people should > > > > > > really be looking > > > > > > at > > > > > > > as a possible culprit in their illnesses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > penny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actinomycosis is a subacute-to-chronic bacterial > > > > > > infection caused > > > > > > by > > > > > > > filamentous, gram-positive, > > > > > > anaerobic-to-microaerophilic bacteria > > > > > > > that are not acid fast. It is characterized by > > > > > > contiguous spread, > > > > > > > suppurative and granulomatous inflammatory > > > > > > reaction, and formation > > > > > > > of multiple abscesses and sinus tracts that > > > > > > discharge sulfur > > > > > > > granules. The most common clinical forms of > > > > > > actinomycosis are > > > > > > > cervicofacial (ie, lumpy jaw), thoracic, and > > > > > > abdominal. In women, > > > > > > > pelvic actinomycosis is common. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pathophysiology: The actinomycetes are prominent > > > > > > among the normal > > > > > > > flora of the oral cavity and less prominent in the > > > > > > lower > > > > > > > gastrointestinal tract and female genital tract. > > > > > > As these > > > > > > > microorganisms are not virulent, they require a > > > > > > break in the > > > > > > > integrity of the mucous membranes and the presence > > > > > > of devitalized > > > > > > > tissue to invade deeper body structures and cause > > > > > > human illness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Furthermore, actinomycosis generally is a > > > > > > polymicrobial infection, > > > > > > > with isolates numbering as many as 5-10 bacterial > > > > > > species. > > > > > > > Establishment of human infection may require the > > > > > > presence of such > > > > > > > companion bacteria, which participate in the > > > > > > production of > > > > > > infection > > > > > > > by elaborating a toxin or enzyme or by inhibiting > > > > > > host defenses. > > > > > > > These companion bacteria appear to act as > > > > > > copathogens that enhance > > > > > > > the relatively low invasive power of > > > > > > actinomycetes. Specifically, > > > > > > > they are responsible for the early manifestations > > > > > > of the infection > > > > > > > and for treatment failures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once infection is established, the host mounts an > > > > > > intense > > > > > > > inflammatory (ie, suppurative, granulomatous) > > > > > > response, and > > > > > > fibrosis > > > > > > > develops subsequently. Infection typically spreads > > > > > > contiguously, > > > > > > > frequently ignoring tissue planes and invading > > > > > > surrounding tissues > > > > > > > or organs. Ultimately, the infection produces > > > > > > draining sinus > > > > > > tracts. > > > > > > > Hematogenous dissemination to distant organs may > > > > > > occur in any > > > > > > stage > > > > > > > of the infection, whereas lymphatic dissemination > > > > > > is unusual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cervicofacial actinomycosis is the most common > > > > > > manifestation, > > > > > > > comprising 50-70% of reported cases. Infection > > > > > > typically occurs > > > > > > > following oral surgery or in patients with poor > > > > > > dental hygiene. > > > > > > This > > > > > > > form of actinomycosis is characterized in the > > > > > > initial stages by > > > > > > soft- > > > > > > > tissue swelling of the perimandibular area. Direct > > > > > > spread into the > > > > > > > adjacent tissues occurs over time, along with > > > > > > development of > > > > > > > fistulas that discharge purulent material > > > > > > containing yellow (ie, > > > > > > > sulfur) granules. Invasion of the cranium or the > > > > > > bloodstream may > > > > > > > occur if the disease is left untreated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis accounts for 15-20% of > > > > > > cases. Aspiration of > > > > > > > oropharyngeal secretions containing actinomycetes > > > > > > is the usual > > > > > > > mechanism of infection. Occasionally, thoracic > > > > > > actinomycosis may > > > > > > > result from the introduction of organisms via > > > > > > esophageal > > > > > > > perforation, by direct spread from an > > > > > > actinomycotic process of the > > > > > > > neck or abdomen, or via hematogenous spread from a > > > > > > distant lesion. > > > > > > > Thoracic actinomycosis commonly presents as a > > > > > > pulmonary infiltrate > > > > > > > or mass, which, if left untreated, can spread to > > > > > > involve the > > > > > > pleura, > > > > > > > pericardium, and chest wall, ultimately leading to > > > > > > the formation > > > > > > of > > > > > > > sinuses that discharge sulfur granules. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actinomycosis of the abdomen and pelvis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actinomycosis of the abdomen and pelvis accounts > > > > > > for 10-20% of > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > > http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 I've got a very cooperative doctor, but yes, they're rare and far between. I'm fortunate, I'm not sure I'd be at all functional without those abx. penny > > > > > Here are 2 articles on Actinomycosis. A very > > destructive, bone > > > > > eating bacteria that for many many years was > > thought to be a > > > fungus > > > > > (hence the mycosis ending). A lot of docs > > still mistakenly > > > assume > > > > > it's a fungus. A friend of mine recently, as a > > last resort, > > went > > > to > > > > > a cancer specialist who routinely works with > > head and neck > > > cancer > > > > > and he discovered that she was full of actino > > wormholing it's > > > way > > > > > through her sinuses and jaw. He said he sees > > this all the time, > > > and > > > > > isn't surprised, but that actino is very hard > > to > === message truncated === > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with - make it your home page > http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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