Guest guest Posted August 14, 2005 Report Share Posted August 14, 2005 OK I know about this because of having horses all my life. Triclosan is a mild antibiotic that used to be used in some topicals. It's EXTREMELY toxic to fish and beneficial algae - so it sort of fell out of favor. Chlorohexidine solution is used instead - at least for horses - and it used to be used as a scrub for dentists. I buy this stuff by the quart. Recent reference: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=12402134 & query_hl=1 > > I hope you have time to read all this stuff on plastids. > > Its way cool. > > > > http://www.ajtmh.org/cgi/content/full/68/3/334 > > > > I'm pretty sure bab microti will have plastids. > > I'm going to email a couple babs experts and see what they think. > > Don't see why this hasn't been tried in mep/zith failures. > > > > maybe you could use arthemos, and fosmidomycin. Maybe five days of > > that would be okay, if I can't tolerate the larium-like drug in > > riamet. Or follow up with some fosmidoymycin. Who knows. Got to > think > > this out thoroughly. Its strange how SOME coinfected folk cannot get > > rid of their babs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 I believe these may be relevant for Jill's interest in triclosan and babs. Parasitol Res. 2004 Sep;94(1):37-48. Epub 2004 Jul 29. Related Articles, Compound via MeSH, Substance via MeSH, Books, LinkOut The efficacy of inhibitors involved in spermidine metabolism in Plasmodium falciparum, Anopheles stephensi and Trypanosoma evansi. Moritz E, Seidensticker S, Gottwald A, Maier W, Hoerauf A, Njuguna JT, Kaiser A. Institut fur Medizinische Parasitologie, Sigmund Freud Strasse 25, 53105 Bonn, Germany. In the present study, we have tested the effect of different polyamine inhibitors of the spermidine metabolizing enzymes deoxyhypusine synthase and homospermidine synthase in different chloroquine resistant Plasmodium falciparum strains, in the mosquito Anopheles stephensi (Diptera: Culicidae) and in a Trypanosoma evansi clone I from strain STIB 806 K China. Recent experiments have shown that agmatine is a growth inhibitor of the malaria parasite P. falciparum (Kaiser et al. 2001) in vitro. A comparison of agmatine efficacy with the new antimalarials artemisinin, triclosan and conventional chloroquine showed similar or even better results on the basis of growth inhibition and the reduction of developmental forms. However, no effect of triclosan or agmatine was observed at the ribonucleic acid level. In a second set of experiments, we tested the effect of 1,7-diaminoheptane and agmatine on oocyst formation in A. stephensi after infection with Plasmodium yoelii. Agmatine had an antisporozoite effect since 1,000 microM led to a 59.5% inhibition of oocysts. A much weaker inhibitor of oocyst formation was 1,7-diaminoheptane. The most effective in in vitro inhibition of T. evansi was dicyclohexylamine, an inhibitor of spermidine biosynthesis with an IC(50 ) value of 47.44 microM and the deoxyhypusine inhibitor 1,7-diaminoheptane with an IC(50) value of 47.80 microM. However, both drugs were ineffective in in vivo experiments in a Trypanosoma mouse model. Two different spermidine analogues, 1,8-diaminooctane and 1,3-diaminopropane with IC(50) values of 171 microM and 181.37 microM, respectively, were moderate inhibitors in vitro and ineffective in vivo. PMID: 15278440 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] --------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- 2: Mol Cell Biochem. 2003 Nov;253(1-2):55-63. Related Articles, Compound via MeSH, Substance via MeSH, Books, LinkOut Triclosan: a shot in the arm for antimalarial chemotherapy. Rao SP, Surolia A, Surolia N. Molecular Biophysics Unit, Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore, India. In order that malaria be successfully contained, it is important that one has a clear understanding of the normal physiology and biochemistry of the parasite essential to its survival in its human host. Until very recently, the conventional approaches to antimalarial chemotherapy have consistently been plagued with the uncanny ability of the parasite to evolve resistance to drugs. The recently discovered plasmodial fatty acid biosynthetic pathway as well as its inhibition by triclosan that classifies it as belonging to type II, provide with a very crucial breakthrough to the crusade against malaria. How triclosan could tilt the balance in favor of the human hosts of the malarial parasite in a malarial condition is discussed. Publication Types: Review Review, Tutorial PMID: 14619956 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] --------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- 3: Int J Pharm. 2002 Mar 20;235(1-2):229-36. Related Articles, Compound via MeSH, Substance via MeSH, Books, LinkOut Triclosan: release from transdermal adhesive formulations and in vitro permeation across human epidermal membranes. Chedgzoy P, Winckle G, Heard CM. Welsh School of Pharmacy, Cardiff University, CF10 3XF, Cardiff, UK. Malarial resistance is an escalating global problem and consequently new and more efficacious treatments to combat malaria are urgently needed. The transdermal delivery of anti-malarials may provide an effective alternative or adjunct to conventional regimens. Triclosan is widely used as an anti-bacterial agent and it has recently been demonstrated that this compound has anti-malarial properties. Its high lipophilicity makes it a potential candidate for delivery across the skin and this paper examines in vitro the potential for the transdermal delivery of triclosan from 'drug-in-glue' formulations. Model patches were prepared using DuroTak 2287, 2516 and 2051 acrylic polymer adhesives loaded with 0, 30 and 50 mg per 0.785 cm(-2) triclosan and dissolution was measured over a 12-h period. There was no apparent difference between the adhesives at the 30 mg patch loading, but at 50 mg, the trend for increased release was 2051>2516>2287. No significant burst effect was apparent. Patches of 50 mg per 0.785 cm2 were then used to determine the permeation of triclosan across heat-separated human epidermal membranes in Franz diffusion cells, over a period of 48 h. The above general trend was reflected in the steady state flux values obtained: 2051:16.91 microg x cm(-2) x h(-1) (S.E.M. 1.29), 2516:15.05 microg x cm(-2) x h(-1) (S.E.M. 1.00), 2287 12.83 microg x cm(-2) x h(-1) (S.E.M. 2.81). Although pharmacokinetic data are not currently available to permit calculation of an efficacious patch size, the transdermal delivery of triclosan is feasible. PMID: 11879757 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > > > I hope you have time to read all this stuff on plastids. > > > Its way cool. > > > > > > http://www.ajtmh.org/cgi/content/full/68/3/334 > > > > > > I'm pretty sure bab microti will have plastids. > > > I'm going to email a couple babs experts and see what they think. > > > Don't see why this hasn't been tried in mep/zith failures. > > > > > > maybe you could use arthemos, and fosmidomycin. Maybe five days > of > > > that would be okay, if I can't tolerate the larium-like drug in > > > riamet. Or follow up with some fosmidoymycin. Who knows. Got to > > think > > > this out thoroughly. Its strange how SOME coinfected folk cannot > get > > > rid of their babs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Thanx but I am confused...I talked of fosmidomycin...I didn't know about triclosan... > > > > I hope you have time to read all this stuff on plastids. > > > > Its way cool. > > > > > > > > http://www.ajtmh.org/cgi/content/full/68/3/334 > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure bab microti will have plastids. > > > > I'm going to email a couple babs experts and see what they > think. > > > > Don't see why this hasn't been tried in mep/zith failures. > > > > > > > > maybe you could use arthemos, and fosmidomycin. Maybe five > days > > of > > > > that would be okay, if I can't tolerate the larium-like drug > in > > > > riamet. Or follow up with some fosmidoymycin. Who knows. Got > to > > > think > > > > this out thoroughly. Its strange how SOME coinfected folk > cannot > > get > > > > rid of their babs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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