Guest guest Posted July 28, 2005 Report Share Posted July 28, 2005 I do visualise these .I think a 'tadeschi' another italian researcher used elctron microscopes to view these cocci years earlier than tarello and he found them in a great percentage of the population. He actually took pictures of these things grwoing out of platelets in both cell wall and cellwall defecient forms. Tarello was unaware of this university research in his own back yard many years earlier. My problem was just getting associated with what I believe to be cocci first cabn of the rank. My only mistake was not follow up on percentage of red cell infection. You gotta understand the fibrin problems, basically the whole nine yard mess of the bloodstream is pretty much at the feet of these observations. I can't blame it on genetics in my own case because no-one in my family or even close has any problems of this magnitude. I just realise lifestyle choices where to blame in my own case. So virtually many people are dowmn regulated in society, actually all the ills associated with ol;d age carry these traits. tony > OK but - did you ever visualize those Tarello red cell cocci? It sounds > like you had the right setup to be able to visualize them, right? I am > really curious as to whether other sick humans have had these observed. > > > I have a diff quick stain which is a simple wright > > stain. I also have a few other stains the giemsa may grumwold (sp and > > if I got it right)is an alternative to this wright stain. > > The reason I sent my slides to tarello is that your red blood cells > > are damaged, have spikes, and stuff attached that needed proper > > interpretation, as first time off the blocks I needed > > guidance.Actually I was impressed with tarello and his percentage of > > red cell adhesion. I think most people on the planet can run foul > with > > there colonising bacteria and if you have 10 % or 20% attached > > bacteria to your red cells it would be interesting to find this > > out.Basically many people on the planet are in the JUST FUNCTIONING > > MODE, we just got tipped over the edge. > > Also tarello has a scope that can take pictures. I also did mine not > > wet mount but within minutes of drying it was stained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2005 Report Share Posted July 28, 2005 Tony, I googled some Tarello stuff. My concern, in my case, is just what you said--that you won't get the deeper sources, so should I take a heavy metal in " safe " doses that temporarily reprieves. This is my view toward colloidal silver too. A very interesting molecule is allicin, if it were only to be stabilized and get into the body (not). It actually is such a small molecule it degrades bacterial toxins as well as bacteria! I'll buy some baking soda. We had a disaster here, where my ceiling flooded from construction upstairs and crashed in (bathroom ceiling). I am worried about mold although they say it is gypsum but anyway its been a mess, and they had to breaup the bathroom floor yesterday, pour in concrete either yesterday or today, and my whole ceiling will have to be reparied too. I tried ozonating it but it was sort of useless. I guess ventilation and time are the best. Not fun for a lymie to have a problem like that. But at least i have my hbo chamber which is good for all such problems. > > OK but - did you ever visualize those Tarello red cell cocci? It > sounds > > like you had the right setup to be able to visualize them, right? > I am > > really curious as to whether other sick humans have had these > observed. > > > > > I have a diff quick stain which is a simple wright > > > stain. I also have a few other stains the giemsa may grumwold > (sp and > > > if I got it right)is an alternative to this wright stain. > > > The reason I sent my slides to tarello is that your red blood > cells > > > are damaged, have spikes, and stuff attached that needed proper > > > interpretation, as first time off the blocks I needed > > > guidance.Actually I was impressed with tarello and his > percentage of > > > red cell adhesion. I think most people on the planet can run > foul > > with > > > there colonising bacteria and if you have 10 % or 20% attached > > > bacteria to your red cells it would be interesting to find this > > > out.Basically many people on the planet are in the JUST > FUNCTIONING > > > MODE, we just got tipped over the edge. > > > Also tarello has a scope that can take pictures. I also did > mine not > > > wet mount but within minutes of drying it was stained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2005 Report Share Posted July 28, 2005 jILL The real ilness is a monster, the crap sold as chelation is in my opinion not scientific enough to accept.I do know that when your kidneys are stuffed you pull the toxins out with dialysis. Also I would recommend spa, sauna, running, just basically moving the blood thru the mess and hoping the pores excrete some of these disaster's. The last thing I would concern myself with is what your prolem metals are, I consider you a sponge to the enviroinment. Yoiu basically have to get the structure your skin which holds out these metals back into full functioning. tony > > > OK but - did you ever visualize those Tarello red cell cocci? It > > sounds > > > like you had the right setup to be able to visualize them, right? > > I am > > > really curious as to whether other sick humans have had these > > observed. > > > > > > > I have a diff quick stain which is a simple wright > > > > stain. I also have a few other stains the giemsa may grumwold > > (sp and > > > > if I got it right)is an alternative to this wright stain. > > > > The reason I sent my slides to tarello is that your red blood > > cells > > > > are damaged, have spikes, and stuff attached that needed proper > > > > interpretation, as first time off the blocks I needed > > > > guidance.Actually I was impressed with tarello and his > > percentage of > > > > red cell adhesion. I think most people on the planet can run > > foul > > > with > > > > there colonising bacteria and if you have 10 % or 20% attached > > > > bacteria to your red cells it would be interesting to find this > > > > out.Basically many people on the planet are in the JUST > > FUNCTIONING > > > > MODE, we just got tipped over the edge. > > > > Also tarello has a scope that can take pictures. I also did > > mine not > > > > wet mount but within minutes of drying it was stained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2005 Report Share Posted July 28, 2005 So are you saying, you havent taken counts on these red cell cocci or personally made observations of any differences between CFS and normals in the numbers of red cell cocci? If you still have access to any fresh CFS blood it would be interesting to see if the counts match the counts seen in the Tarello paper and whether they differ from normals. GG Tedeschi did demonstrate infection of red cells (in normals) indirectly by multiple means, but I dont think he actually charecterized the morphology of cocci attached to red cells (I am not sure). I know he says red cells are too electron-dense to see into with transmission EM. I am not aware of any scanning EM or light microscopy he did; if you are, let me know. I have some of the Tedeschi papers - pretty cool stuff. Observations of bacteremia in normals, like this stuff, lead me to agree with your view that it takes a damn lot of bacteria to make you sick. Either that, or else or some serious immunopathology is going on. Or perhaps something outlandish like tiny Bb blebs entering host cells causing the body to think half the cells of the body are infected... the least likely possibility IMO. > > OK but - did you ever visualize those Tarello red cell cocci? It > sounds > > like you had the right setup to be able to visualize them, right? > I am > > really curious as to whether other sick humans have had these > observed. > > > > > I have a diff quick stain which is a simple wright > > > stain. I also have a few other stains the giemsa may grumwold > (sp and > > > if I got it right)is an alternative to this wright stain. > > > The reason I sent my slides to tarello is that your red blood > cells > > > are damaged, have spikes, and stuff attached that needed proper > > > interpretation, as first time off the blocks I needed > > > guidance.Actually I was impressed with tarello and his > percentage of > > > red cell adhesion. I think most people on the planet can run > foul > > with > > > there colonising bacteria and if you have 10 % or 20% attached > > > bacteria to your red cells it would be interesting to find this > > > out.Basically many people on the planet are in the JUST > FUNCTIONING > > > MODE, we just got tipped over the edge. > > > Also tarello has a scope that can take pictures. I also did > mine not > > > wet mount but within minutes of drying it was stained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2005 Report Share Posted July 29, 2005 My enthusiasm was in the correct treatment of blood pathogens. Unfortuantely you can't send blood oversease thru the post so I only handled sinus samples. That is why it's impossable for mme to go further with blood smears than doing my own. I had something sent to me from england showing tadeschi electron microscope platelets with cell wall forms and defecient forms. Also Tadeschi for me is 100% right in what he observed because when I stand in line at the supermarket I see the high percentage of ill health. Just because these people function does not mean they aren't carriers of varying degree's of blood pathogens. Actually another way to look at this is when I visit the doctors surgeries, possably 10 in my close vicinity the offices are full. What is wrong with these patients? Everyone around me is on something for something it's 21st century medicine to treat a symptom. Whats causing these symptoms in so many? Back to the blood smears, I alway's got excited when bacteria would grow from the blood drops because it was closely followed by hard therapy. With smears I still didn't have the RIGHT THERAPY even though I could see a mess.Unfortunately my stains for the wright technique ran out due to one component having evaporated so I never got around to going back in that direction. I also basically don't get enthusiastic for wanting to change a positive forward moving formula with any set backs. It's basically all I can do is this, and if anything else pops up I gave it my best shot.So learning too much could be a set back, maybe?I mean I don't contribute these conditions to walk in the parks, there more like suffering cancer without having discovered the malignancy. > > > OK but - did you ever visualize those Tarello red cell cocci? It > > sounds > > > like you had the right setup to be able to visualize them, right? > > I am > > > really curious as to whether other sick humans have had these > > observed. > > > > > > > I have a diff quick stain which is a simple wright > > > > stain. I also have a few other stains the giemsa may grumwold > > (sp and > > > > if I got it right)is an alternative to this wright stain. > > > > The reason I sent my slides to tarello is that your red blood > > cells > > > > are damaged, have spikes, and stuff attached that needed proper > > > > interpretation, as first time off the blocks I needed > > > > guidance.Actually I was impressed with tarello and his > > percentage of > > > > red cell adhesion. I think most people on the planet can run > > foul > > > with > > > > there colonising bacteria and if you have 10 % or 20% attached > > > > bacteria to your red cells it would be interesting to find this > > > > out.Basically many people on the planet are in the JUST > > FUNCTIONING > > > > MODE, we just got tipped over the edge. > > > > Also tarello has a scope that can take pictures. I also did > > mine not > > > > wet mount but within minutes of drying it was stained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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