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Tamara,

I know what you mean, I can feel the toxins just creeping through my body, and I have a whole shelf right next to the computer chock full of remedies that will make me feel better but I have to keep resisting them till after my KPU test.

About Dr. K's place....i've tried to write about it twice and i got too mentally tired to finish. Here is the summary k?

I was very impressed with my whole experience there. The only way to get in to see dr. k is by first being seen by his assistants, and then in the future if I want to see him I can.

My doc was a Bastyr trained ND who has been working at K's side for the last two years. She was by far the most knowledgable doc i've ever seen. We who frequent these message boards get exposed to so many different treatments and most docs know very little making us feel uneasy about trusting their judgement. But it really didn't matter what question I asked, my doc seemed very well informed and had an answer for everything that made perfect sense.

I had four days of appointments. First day was the usual explaination of my symptoms, going over lab work, and then a bunch of muscle testing. That first day my doctor put together most of the protocol i'm on now. Then she had me come in the next day to muscle test me again once I was on all the supps to see what else would present itself. Then make a few adjustments, then come in the next day for additional fine tuning and then the last day to wrap things up and give me a full overview of my health and the plan of attack.

So day two we fine tuned some things and added a few supplements. Then I had an Ozone treatment followed up by my first colonic. I didn't feel significantly different after these treatments.

Day three the doc found that a hernia surgery scar on my lower right abdomen was blocking proper chi flow and had that injected with the Neural Therapy procain stuff. Then she also treated the scars on my thumb where I had mostly severed it in a table saw accident. Note: don't operate dangerous equipment with severe brain fog.

Then she gave me injections around the crown of my head with a homeopathic for the thalamus which made my head temporarily much clearer and suddenly I didn't have to exert so much energy to hold my eyes open. Because of the toxins that seem to accumulate in my brain on day three I had some craniosacral done to see if they could open up any potential blockages at the base of my skull that could be restricting blood circulation. My energy system was really pretty open, probably due to all the qigong i've done, but what was surprising is the cranio doc told me the only place she sensed problems was in my lower jaw. And she suggested I swish MSM water once daily for thirty seconds. What was interesting about this is I also had a panoramic jaw xray done the same week by my primary Dr. K doc who could see I had some infection in my jaw and also had told me to swish MSM water

daily. Its interesting how sensitive people can become to energy that they can know these things. Anyway, i'll be rubbing antimicrobial rizol oils on the inside of my mouth along my lower jaw to treat this as well.

Day four we did some more muscle testing, then wrapped things up. I have a boat load of supps that are running me about $1200.00 per month. Not sure yet how I will pay for these but will take it one month at a time.Several of the supps will only be needed for a month or two so hopefully the price per month can get down to around$$800-$1000 in the next few months.

Rather than focusing on one or two infections, they are having me go at all of them at the same time. I am on several herbal antivirals, and will be following up with a pharma antiviral in a month called Allinia. I am on antiparasitics as I tested positive for those recently on some lab work.

I am to go back on Artemisinin but at a low dose and slowly work up.

Teasel Root, and work my way up to ONE TEASPOON TWICE DAILY! Big dose!

Freeze dried garlic

Rizol Gamma which is castor oil infused with antimicrobial frx(if i understand it correctly).

Quintessense as an antimicrobial

Detox:

Taking two homeopathic remedies for liver and kidney drainage..Unda #4 and #243

Chlorella Vulgaris tabs 15 tabs 3X daily

Charcoal as needed

Detoxamin suppositories...three weekly for 4-6 weeks

The Core formula, which is a formula for the KPU protocol. Even though I wont do my KPU test for several more days, and will have to wait several weeks to get the results, they are starting me on the protocol anyway until I learn otherwise.

Physiological support:

Vit. K2 but still need to learn more about it.

Interfase, which is supposed to be a really good biofilm buster

Folinic Acid, not sure specifically why yet.

MSM for all the good things it does.

Phospholipid Exchange....not sure what exactly it is yet.

Hydrochloric acid or Apple Cider Vinegar before meals to support digestion. (maybe this will bring down my high urine PH)

Boswellia for brain inflammation. Turmuric might be better for this but i'm allergic to it and Boswellia seems to come in a close second.

And last, Thalamus homeopathic nasal drops.

In addition to this I muscle tested positive for most of the other supps I was already on including

Vit A C D E

Magnesium

Trace Minerals

Wobenzym

Liothyronine (T3)

Burbur

Pinella

Ginko Biloba

Lithium Orotate

Melatonine

Salmon Oil

Phosphatidyl Choline

They rejected the single best supplement i've ever taken....Free N Easy Wanderer. Maybe its outlived its usefulness for me?

They also rejected K MAG KG, Vit. B-50, Phosphatidyl Serine and Eight Flavor Rehmannia. So two of the chinese herbs that have helped me so much over the years they said are blocking me somehow. I can still take the Golden Book.

Also, I got to meet Cheryl!! !! And the legend Doug McClean!!

Thane

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 4:43:21 PMSubject: Re: OT: Chinese herbs

Thane, I am anxious to hear about your visit and hope you survive the next few days without supplements. I don't even like getting my thyroid tested because I have to take my supplements and meds a few HOURS later and I can barely make it 5 minutes down the road to the lab. Tamara

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Hi Thane, Thanks for sharing, You r on most of what I am on. Free and easy wanderer was always a no for me also. Did they pick up on what you r dealing with? Blessings to all of this working for you.Please keep us posted. Healing Hugs JoyceSubject: Re: OT:My Dr. K experience WAS Chinese herbsTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 4:12 PM

Tamara,

I know what you mean, I can feel the toxins just creeping through my body, and I have a whole shelf right next to the computer chock full of remedies that will make me feel better but I have to keep resisting them till after my KPU test.

About Dr. K's place....i've tried to write about it twice and i got too mentally tired to finish. Here is the summary k?

I was very impressed with my whole experience there. The only way to get in to see dr. k is by first being seen by his assistants, and then in the future if I want to see him I can.

My doc was a Bastyr trained ND who has been working at K's side for the last two years. She was by far the most knowledgable doc i've ever seen. We who frequent these message boards get exposed to so many different treatments and most docs know very little making us feel uneasy about trusting their judgement. But it really didn't matter what question I asked, my doc seemed very well informed and had an answer for everything that made perfect sense.

I had four days of appointments. First day was the usual explaination of my symptoms, going over lab work, and then a bunch of muscle testing. That first day my doctor put together most of the protocol i'm on now. Then she had me come in the next day to muscle test me again once I was on all the supps to see what else would present itself. Then make a few adjustments, then come in the next day for additional fine tuning and then the last day to wrap things up and give me a full overview of my health and the plan of attack.

So day two we fine tuned some things and added a few supplements. Then I had an Ozone treatment followed up by my first colonic. I didn't feel significantly different after these treatments.

Day three the doc found that a hernia surgery scar on my lower right abdomen was blocking proper chi flow and had that injected with the Neural Therapy procain stuff. Then she also treated the scars on my thumb where I had mostly severed it in a table saw accident. Note: don't operate dangerous equipment with severe brain fog.

Then she gave me injections around the crown of my head with a homeopathic for the thalamus which made my head temporarily much clearer and suddenly I didn't have to exert so much energy to hold my eyes open. Because of the toxins that seem to accumulate in my brain on day three I had some craniosacral done to see if they could open up any potential blockages at the base of my skull that could be restricting blood circulation. My energy system was really pretty open, probably due to all the qigong i've done, but what was surprising is the cranio doc told me the only place she sensed problems was in my lower jaw. And she suggested I swish MSM water once daily for thirty seconds. What was interesting about this is I also had a panoramic jaw xray done the same week by my primary Dr. K doc who could see I had some infection in my jaw and also had told me to swish MSM water

daily. Its interesting how sensitive people can become to energy that they can know these things. Anyway, i'll be rubbing antimicrobial rizol oils on the inside of my mouth along my lower jaw to treat this as well.

Day four we did some more muscle testing, then wrapped things up. I have a boat load of supps that are running me about $1200.00 per month. Not sure yet how I will pay for these but will take it one month at a time.Several of the supps will only be needed for a month or two so hopefully the price per month can get down to around$$800- $1000 in the next few months.

Rather than focusing on one or two infections, they are having me go at all of them at the same time. I am on several herbal antivirals, and will be following up with a pharma antiviral in a month called Allinia. I am on antiparasitics as I tested positive for those recently on some lab work.

I am to go back on Artemisinin but at a low dose and slowly work up.

Teasel Root, and work my way up to ONE TEASPOON TWICE DAILY! Big dose!

Freeze dried garlic

Rizol Gamma which is castor oil infused with antimicrobial frx(if i understand it correctly).

Quintessense as an antimicrobial

Detox:

Taking two homeopathic remedies for liver and kidney drainage..Unda #4 and #243

Chlorella Vulgaris tabs 15 tabs 3X daily

Charcoal as needed

Detoxamin suppositories. ..three weekly for 4-6 weeks

The Core formula, which is a formula for the KPU protocol. Even though I wont do my KPU test for several more days, and will have to wait several weeks to get the results, they are starting me on the protocol anyway until I learn otherwise.

Physiological support:

Vit. K2 but still need to learn more about it.

Interfase, which is supposed to be a really good biofilm buster

Folinic Acid, not sure specifically why yet.

MSM for all the good things it does.

Phospholipid Exchange.... not sure what exactly it is yet.

Hydrochloric acid or Apple Cider Vinegar before meals to support digestion. (maybe this will bring down my high urine PH)

Boswellia for brain inflammation. Turmuric might be better for this but i'm allergic to it and Boswellia seems to come in a close second.

And last, Thalamus homeopathic nasal drops.

In addition to this I muscle tested positive for most of the other supps I was already on including

Vit A C D E

Magnesium

Trace Minerals

Wobenzym

Liothyronine (T3)

Burbur

Pinella

Ginko Biloba

Lithium Orotate

Melatonine

Salmon Oil

Phosphatidyl Choline

They rejected the single best supplement i've ever taken....Free N Easy Wanderer. Maybe its outlived its usefulness for me?

They also rejected K MAG KG, Vit. B-50, Phosphatidyl Serine and Eight Flavor Rehmannia. So two of the chinese herbs that have helped me so much over the years they said are blocking me somehow. I can still take the Golden Book.

Also, I got to meet Cheryl!! !! And the legend Doug McClean!!

Thane

From: tamarashorr <tshorrcomcast (DOT) net>To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. comSent: Tue, February 2, 2010 4:43:21 PMSubject: Re: OT: Chinese herbs

Thane, I am anxious to hear about your visit and hope you survive the next few days without supplements. I don't even like getting my thyroid tested because I have to take my supplements and meds a few HOURS later and I can barely make it 5 minutes down the road to the lab. Tamara

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Hi, I should also add that my doc said I should be feeling quite a bit better in

a year and a half on this protocol and that some of my lab values show that my

body is in a place where its open to these new treatments. She could see that

ive come a long way. She just told me that I have most my infection in my brain

and that its the hardest place to treat it because the brain doesn't clear

toxins very well. Its somewhat of a bottleneck. So I am in charge of how fast

I increase my antimicrobials. But she said to take it really slow.

Thane

>

> Tamara,

>  

>  I know what you mean, I can feel the toxins just creeping through my body,

and I have a whole shelf right next to the computer chock full of remedies that

will make me feel better but I have to keep resisting them till after my KPU

test.

>  

> About Dr. K's place....i've tried to write about it twice and i got too

mentally tired to finish.  Here is the summary k? 

>  

> I was very impressed with my whole experience there.  The only way to get in

to see dr. k is by first being seen by his assistants, and then in the future if

I want to see him I can.

>  

> My doc was a Bastyr trained ND who has been working at K's side for the last

two years.  She was by far the most knowledgable doc i've ever seen.  We who

frequent these message boards get exposed to so many different treatments and

most docs know very little making us feel uneasy about trusting their

judgement.  But it really didn't matter what question I asked, my doc seemed

very well informed and had an answer for everything that made perfect sense. 

>  

> I had four days of appointments.  First day was the usual explaination of my

symptoms, going over lab work, and then a bunch of muscle testing.  That first

day my doctor put together most of the protocol i'm on now.  Then she had me

come in the next day to muscle test me again once I was on all the supps to see

what else would present itself.  Then make a few adjustments, then come in the

next day for additional fine tuning and then the last day to wrap things up and

give me a full overview of my health and the plan of attack. 

>  

> So day two we fine tuned some things and added a few supplements.  Then I had

an Ozone treatment followed up by my first colonic. I didn't feel significantly

different after these treatments.

>  

> Day three the doc found that a hernia surgery scar on my lower right abdomen

was blocking proper chi flow and had that injected with the Neural Therapy

procain stuff.  Then she also treated the scars on my thumb where I had

mostly severed it in a table saw accident.  Note: don't operate dangerous

equipment with severe brain fog.

>  

> Then she gave me injections around the crown of my head with a homeopathic for

the thalamus which made my head temporarily much clearer and suddenly I didn't

have to exert so much energy to hold my eyes open.  Because of the toxins that

seem to accumulate in my brain on day three I had some craniosacral done to see

if they could open up any potential blockages at the base of my skull that could

be restricting blood circulation.   My energy system was really pretty open,

probably due to all the qigong i've done, but what was surprising is the cranio

doc told me the only place she sensed problems was in my lower jaw.  And she

suggested I swish MSM water once daily for thirty seconds.  What was interesting

about this is I also had a panoramic jaw xray done the same week by my primary

Dr. K doc who could see I had some infection in my jaw and also had told me to

swish MSM water daily.  Its interesting how sensitive people can become to

energy

> that they can know these things.  Anyway, i'll be rubbing antimicrobial rizol

oils on the inside of my mouth along my lower jaw to treat this as well.

>  

> Day four we did some more muscle testing, then wrapped things up.  I have a

boat load of supps that are running me about $1200.00 per month.  Not sure yet

how I will pay for these but will take it one month at a time.Several of

the supps will only be needed for a month or two so hopefully the price per

month can get down to around$$800-$1000 in the next few months.

>  

>   Rather than focusing on one or two infections, they are having me go at all

of them at the same time.  I am on several herbal antivirals, and will be

following up with a pharma antiviral in a month called Allinia.  I am on

antiparasitics as I tested positive for those recently on some lab work. 

>  

> I am to go back on Artemisinin but at a low dose and slowly work up. 

>  

> Teasel Root, and work my way up to ONE TEASPOON TWICE DAILY!  Big dose! 

>  

> Freeze dried garlic

>  

> Rizol Gamma which is castor oil infused with antimicrobial frx(if i understand

it correctly).

>  

> Quintessense as an antimicrobial

>  

> Detox:

>  

> Taking two homeopathic remedies for liver and kidney drainage..Unda #4 and

#243

>  

> Chlorella Vulgaris tabs 15 tabs 3X daily

>  

> Charcoal as needed

>  

> Detoxamin suppositories...three weekly for 4-6 weeks

>  

> The Core formula, which is a formula for the KPU protocol.  Even though I wont

do my KPU test for several more days, and will have to wait several weeks to get

the results, they are starting me on the protocol anyway until I learn

otherwise.

>  

>  

>  

> Physiological support:

>  

> Vit. K2 but still need to learn more about it.

>  

> Interfase, which is supposed to be a really good biofilm buster

>  

> Folinic Acid, not sure specifically why yet.

>  

> MSM for all the good things it does.

>  

> Phospholipid Exchange....not sure what exactly it is yet.

>  

> Hydrochloric acid or Apple Cider Vinegar before meals to support digestion.

(maybe this will bring down my high urine PH)

>  

> Boswellia for brain inflammation.  Turmuric might be better for this but i'm

allergic to it and Boswellia seems to come in a close second.

>  

> And last, Thalamus homeopathic nasal drops.

>  

> In addition to this I muscle tested positive for most of the other supps I was

already on including

>  

> Vit A C D E

>  

> Magnesium

>  

> Trace Minerals

>  

> Wobenzym

>  

> Liothyronine (T3)

>  

> Burbur

>  

> Pinella

>  

> Ginko Biloba

>  

> Lithium Orotate

>  

> Melatonine

>  

> Salmon Oil

>  

> Phosphatidyl Choline

>  

> They rejected the single best supplement i've ever taken....Free N Easy

Wanderer.  Maybe its outlived its usefulness for me?

>  

> They also rejected K MAG KG, Vit. B-50, Phosphatidyl Serine and Eight Flavor

Rehmannia.  So two of the chinese herbs that have helped me so much over the

years they said are blocking me somehow.  I can still take the Golden Book.

>  

> Also, I got to meet Cheryl!! !! And the legend Doug McClean!!

>  

> Thane

>  

>

>

>  

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: Lyme_and_Rife

> Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 4:43:21 PM

> Subject: Re: OT: Chinese herbs

>

>  

>

> Thane,

>

> I am anxious to hear about your visit and hope you survive the next few days

without supplements.

>

> I don't even like getting my thyroid tested because I have to take my

supplements and meds a few HOURS later and I can barely make it 5 minutes down

the road to the lab.

>

>

> Tamara

>

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My doc believes babesia is my biggest problem. Actually much of what she came up with I already suspected, which was encouraging.

Thanks Joyce!

Thane

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 6:33:08 PMSubject: Re: OT:My Dr. K experience WAS Chinese herbs

Hi Thane, Thanks for sharing, You r on most of what I am on. Free and easy wanderer was always a no for me also. Did they pick up on what you r dealing with? Blessings to all of this working for you.Please keep us posted. Healing Hugs Joyce

From: Thane Fredrickson <thane17yahoo (DOT) com>Subject: Re: OT:My Dr. K experience WAS Chinese herbsTo: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. comDate: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 4:12 PM

Tamara,

I know what you mean, I can feel the toxins just creeping through my body, and I have a whole shelf right next to the computer chock full of remedies that will make me feel better but I have to keep resisting them till after my KPU test.

About Dr. K's place....i've tried to write about it twice and i got too mentally tired to finish. Here is the summary k?

I was very impressed with my whole experience there. The only way to get in to see dr. k is by first being seen by his assistants, and then in the future if I want to see him I can.

My doc was a Bastyr trained ND who has been working at K's side for the last two years. She was by far the most knowledgable doc i've ever seen. We who frequent these message boards get exposed to so many different treatments and most docs know very little making us feel uneasy about trusting their judgement. But it really didn't matter what question I asked, my doc seemed very well informed and had an answer for everything that made perfect sense.

I had four days of appointments. First day was the usual explaination of my symptoms, going over lab work, and then a bunch of muscle testing. That first day my doctor put together most of the protocol i'm on now. Then she had me come in the next day to muscle test me again once I was on all the supps to see what else would present itself. Then make a few adjustments, then come in the next day for additional fine tuning and then the last day to wrap things up and give me a full overview of my health and the plan of attack.

So day two we fine tuned some things and added a few supplements. Then I had an Ozone treatment followed up by my first colonic. I didn't feel significantly different after these treatments.

Day three the doc found that a hernia surgery scar on my lower right abdomen was blocking proper chi flow and had that injected with the Neural Therapy procain stuff. Then she also treated the scars on my thumb where I had mostly severed it in a table saw accident. Note: don't operate dangerous equipment with severe brain fog.

Then she gave me injections around the crown of my head with a homeopathic for the thalamus which made my head temporarily much clearer and suddenly I didn't have to exert so much energy to hold my eyes open. Because of the toxins that seem to accumulate in my brain on day three I had some craniosacral done to see if they could open up any potential blockages at the base of my skull that could be restricting blood circulation. My energy system was really pretty open, probably due to all the qigong i've done, but what was surprising is the cranio doc told me the only place she sensed problems was in my lower jaw. And she suggested I swish MSM water once daily for thirty seconds. What was interesting about this is I also had a panoramic jaw xray done the same week by my primary Dr. K doc who could see I had some infection in my jaw and also had told me to swish MSM water

daily. Its interesting how sensitive people can become to energy that they can know these things. Anyway, i'll be rubbing antimicrobial rizol oils on the inside of my mouth along my lower jaw to treat this as well.

Day four we did some more muscle testing, then wrapped things up. I have a boat load of supps that are running me about $1200.00 per month. Not sure yet how I will pay for these but will take it one month at a time.Several of the supps will only be needed for a month or two so hopefully the price per month can get down to around$$800- $1000 in the next few months.

Rather than focusing on one or two infections, they are having me go at all of them at the same time. I am on several herbal antivirals, and will be following up with a pharma antiviral in a month called Allinia. I am on antiparasitics as I tested positive for those recently on some lab work.

I am to go back on Artemisinin but at a low dose and slowly work up.

Teasel Root, and work my way up to ONE TEASPOON TWICE DAILY! Big dose!

Freeze dried garlic

Rizol Gamma which is castor oil infused with antimicrobial frx(if i understand it correctly).

Quintessense as an antimicrobial

Detox:

Taking two homeopathic remedies for liver and kidney drainage..Unda #4 and #243

Chlorella Vulgaris tabs 15 tabs 3X daily

Charcoal as needed

Detoxamin suppositories. ..three weekly for 4-6 weeks

The Core formula, which is a formula for the KPU protocol. Even though I wont do my KPU test for several more days, and will have to wait several weeks to get the results, they are starting me on the protocol anyway until I learn otherwise.

Physiological support:

Vit. K2 but still need to learn more about it.

Interfase, which is supposed to be a really good biofilm buster

Folinic Acid, not sure specifically why yet.

MSM for all the good things it does.

Phospholipid Exchange.... not sure what exactly it is yet.

Hydrochloric acid or Apple Cider Vinegar before meals to support digestion. (maybe this will bring down my high urine PH)

Boswellia for brain inflammation. Turmuric might be better for this but i'm allergic to it and Boswellia seems to come in a close second.

And last, Thalamus homeopathic nasal drops.

In addition to this I muscle tested positive for most of the other supps I was already on including

Vit A C D E

Magnesium

Trace Minerals

Wobenzym

Liothyronine (T3)

Burbur

Pinella

Ginko Biloba

Lithium Orotate

Melatonine

Salmon Oil

Phosphatidyl Choline

They rejected the single best supplement i've ever taken....Free N Easy Wanderer. Maybe its outlived its usefulness for me?

They also rejected K MAG KG, Vit. B-50, Phosphatidyl Serine and Eight Flavor Rehmannia. So two of the chinese herbs that have helped me so much over the years they said are blocking me somehow. I can still take the Golden Book.

Also, I got to meet Cheryl!! !! And the legend Doug McClean!!

Thane

From: tamarashorr <tshorrcomcast (DOT) net>To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. comSent: Tue, February 2, 2010 4:43:21 PMSubject: Re: OT: Chinese herbs

Thane, I am anxious to hear about your visit and hope you survive the next few days without supplements. I don't even like getting my thyroid tested because I have to take my supplements and meds a few HOURS later and I can barely make it 5 minutes down the road to the lab. Tamara

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Thanks Thane,We've all been following your journey with interest and good wishes, and I really appreciate the effort it took for you to recount all that happened with Dr. K and staff. We're so happy for you! You've been working so hard for answers.As our über-lab-rat, you will be watched closely, and we'll take note of what works for you (keeping in mind that we're all so horribly unique in this 'shared' disease.) It sounds like a quantum leap for you, even though I know Lyme leaps are still usually taken in slo-mo. Thanks for blazing trail in such a sharing way. It will enrich all of our searches and considerations.Be well,Léna Tamara, I know what you mean, I can feel the toxins just creeping through my body, and I have a whole shelf right next to the computer chock full of remedies that will make me feel better but I have to keep resisting them till after my KPU test. About Dr. K's place....i've tried to write about it twice and i got too mentally tired to finish. Here is the summary k? I was very impressed with my whole experience there. The only way to get in to see dr. k is by first being seen by his assistants, and then in the future if I want to see him I can. My doc was a Bastyr trained ND who has been working at K's side for the last two years. She was by far the most knowledgable doc i've ever seen. We who frequent these message boards get exposed to so many different treatments and most docs know very little making us feel uneasy about trusting their judgement. But it really didn't matter what question I asked, my doc seemed very well informed and had an answer for everything that made perfect sense. I had four days of appointments. First day was the usual explaination of my symptoms, going over lab work, and then a bunch of muscle testing. That first day my doctor put together most of the protocol i'm on now. Then she had me come in the next day to muscle test me again once I was on all the supps to see what else would present itself. Then make a few adjustments, then come in the next day for additional fine tuning and then the last day to wrap things up and give me a full overview of my health and the plan of attack. So day two we fine tuned some things and added a few supplements. Then I had an Ozone treatment followed up by my first colonic. I didn't feel significantly different after these treatments. Day three the doc found that a hernia surgery scar on my lower right abdomen was blocking proper chi flow and had that injected with the Neural Therapy procain stuff. Then she also treated the scars on my thumb where I had mostly severed it in a table saw accident. Note: don't operate dangerous equipment with severe brain fog. Then she gave me injections around the crown of my head with a homeopathic for the thalamus which made my head temporarily much clearer and suddenly I didn't have to exert so much energy to hold my eyes open. Because of the toxins that seem to accumulate in my brain on day three I had some craniosacral done to see if they could open up any potential blockages at the base of my skull that could be restricting blood circulation. My energy system was really pretty open, probably due to all the qigong i've done, but what was surprising is the cranio doc told me the only place she sensed problems was in my lower jaw. And she suggested I swish MSM water once daily for thirty seconds. What was interesting about this is I also had a panoramic jaw xray done the same week by my primary Dr. K doc who could see I had some infection in my jaw and also had told me to swish MSM water daily. Its interesting how sensitive people can become to energy that they can know these things. Anyway, i'll be rubbing antimicrobial rizol oils on the inside of my mouth along my lower jaw to treat this as well. Day four we did some more muscle testing, then wrapped things up. I have a boat load of supps that are running me about $1200.00 per month. Not sure yet how I will pay for these but will take it one month at a time.Several of the supps will only be needed for a month or two so hopefully the price per month can get down to around$$800-$1000 in the next few months. Rather than focusing on one or two infections, they are having me go at all of them at the same time. I am on several herbal antivirals, and will be following up with a pharma antiviral in a month called Allinia. I am on antiparasitics as I tested positive for those recently on some lab work. I am to go back on Artemisinin but at a low dose and slowly work up. Teasel Root, and work my way up to ONE TEASPOON TWICE DAILY! Big dose! Freeze dried garlic Rizol Gamma which is castor oil infused with antimicrobial frx(if i understand it correctly). Quintessense as an antimicrobial Detox: Taking two homeopathic remedies for liver and kidney drainage..Unda #4 and #243 Chlorella Vulgaris tabs 15 tabs 3X daily Charcoal as needed Detoxamin suppositories...three weekly for 4-6 weeks The Core formula, which is a formula for the KPU protocol. Even though I wont do my KPU test for several more days, and will have to wait several weeks to get the results, they are starting me on the protocol anyway until I learn otherwise. Physiological support: Vit. K2 but still need to learn more about it. Interfase, which is supposed to be a really good biofilm buster Folinic Acid, not sure specifically why yet. MSM for all the good things it does. Phospholipid Exchange....not sure what exactly it is yet. Hydrochloric acid or Apple Cider Vinegar before meals to support digestion. (maybe this will bring down my high urine PH) Boswellia for brain inflammation. Turmuric might be better for this but i'm allergic to it and Boswellia seems to come in a close second. And last, Thalamus homeopathic nasal drops. In addition to this I muscle tested positive for most of the other supps I was already on including Vit A C D E Magnesium Trace Minerals Wobenzym Liothyronine (T3) Burbur Pinella Ginko Biloba Lithium Orotate Melatonine Salmon Oil Phosphatidyl Choline They rejected the single best supplement i've ever taken....Free N Easy Wanderer. Maybe its outlived its usefulness for me? They also rejected K MAG KG, Vit. B-50, Phosphatidyl Serine and Eight Flavor Rehmannia. So two of the chinese herbs that have helped me so much over the years they said are blocking me somehow. I can still take the Golden Book. Also, I got to meet Cheryl!! !! And the legend Doug McClean!! Thane From: tamarashorr <tshorrcomcast (DOT) net>To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 4:43:21 PMSubject: Re: OT: Chinese herbs Thane, I am anxious to hear about your visit and hope you survive the next few days without supplements. I don't even like getting my thyroid tested because I have to take my supplements and meds a few HOURS later and I can barely make it 5 minutes down the road to the lab. Tamara

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To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 6:53:48 PMSubject: Re: OT:My Dr. K experience WAS Chinese herbs

Thanks Thane,

We've all been following your journey with interest and good wishes, and I really appreciate the effort it took for you to recount all that happened with Dr. K and staff. We're so happy for you! You've been working so hard for answers.

As our über-lab-rat, you will be watched closely, and we'll take note of what works for you (keeping in mind that we're all so horribly unique in this 'shared' disease.) It sounds like a quantum leap for you, even though I know Lyme leaps are still usually taken in slo-mo.

Thanks for blazing trail in such a sharing way. It will enrich all of our searches and considerations.

Be well,

Léna

Tamara,

I know what you mean, I can feel the toxins just creeping through my body, and I have a whole shelf right next to the computer chock full of remedies that will make me feel better but I have to keep resisting them till after my KPU test.

About Dr. K's place....i've tried to write about it twice and i got too mentally tired to finish. Here is the summary k?

I was very impressed with my whole experience there. The only way to get in to see dr. k is by first being seen by his assistants, and then in the future if I want to see him I can.

My doc was a Bastyr trained ND who has been working at K's side for the last two years. She was by far the most knowledgable doc i've ever seen. We who frequent these message boards get exposed to so many different treatments and most docs know very little making us feel uneasy about trusting their judgement. But it really didn't matter what question I asked, my doc seemed very well informed and had an answer for everything that made perfect sense.

I had four days of appointments. First day was the usual explaination of my symptoms, going over lab work, and then a bunch of muscle testing. That first day my doctor put together most of the protocol i'm on now. Then she had me come in the next day to muscle test me again once I was on all the supps to see what else would present itself. Then make a few adjustments, then come in the next day for additional fine tuning and then the last day to wrap things up and give me a full overview of my health and the plan of attack.

So day two we fine tuned some things and added a few supplements. Then I had an Ozone treatment followed up by my first colonic. I didn't feel significantly different after these treatments.

Day three the doc found that a hernia surgery scar on my lower right abdomen was blocking proper chi flow and had that injected with the Neural Therapy procain stuff. Then she also treated the scars on my thumb where I had mostly severed it in a table saw accident. Note: don't operate dangerous equipment with severe brain fog.

Then she gave me injections around the crown of my head with a homeopathic for the thalamus which made my head temporarily much clearer and suddenly I didn't have to exert so much energy to hold my eyes open. Because of the toxins that seem to accumulate in my brain on day three I had some craniosacral done to see if they could open up any potential blockages at the base of my skull that could be restricting blood circulation. My energy system was really pretty open, probably due to all the qigong i've done, but what was surprising is the cranio doc told me the only place she sensed problems was in my lower jaw. And she suggested I swish MSM water once daily for thirty seconds. What was interesting about this is I also had a panoramic jaw xray done the same week by my primary Dr. K doc who could see I had some infection in my jaw and also had told me to swish MSM water

daily. Its interesting how sensitive people can become to energy that they can know these things. Anyway, i'll be rubbing antimicrobial rizol oils on the inside of my mouth along my lower jaw to treat this as well.

Day four we did some more muscle testing, then wrapped things up. I have a boat load of supps that are running me about $1200.00 per month. Not sure yet how I will pay for these but will take it one month at a time.Several of the supps will only be needed for a month or two so hopefully the price per month can get down to around$$800- $1000 in the next few months.

Rather than focusing on one or two infections, they are having me go at all of them at the same time. I am on several herbal antivirals, and will be following up with a pharma antiviral in a month called Allinia. I am on antiparasitics as I tested positive for those recently on some lab work.

I am to go back on Artemisinin but at a low dose and slowly work up.

Teasel Root, and work my way up to ONE TEASPOON TWICE DAILY! Big dose!

Freeze dried garlic

Rizol Gamma which is castor oil infused with antimicrobial frx(if i understand it correctly).

Quintessense as an antimicrobial

Detox:

Taking two homeopathic remedies for liver and kidney drainage..Unda #4 and #243

Chlorella Vulgaris tabs 15 tabs 3X daily

Charcoal as needed

Detoxamin suppositories. ..three weekly for 4-6 weeks

The Core formula, which is a formula for the KPU protocol. Even though I wont do my KPU test for several more days, and will have to wait several weeks to get the results, they are starting me on the protocol anyway until I learn otherwise.

Physiological support:

Vit. K2 but still need to learn more about it.

Interfase, which is supposed to be a really good biofilm buster

Folinic Acid, not sure specifically why yet.

MSM for all the good things it does.

Phospholipid Exchange.... not sure what exactly it is yet.

Hydrochloric acid or Apple Cider Vinegar before meals to support digestion. (maybe this will bring down my high urine PH)

Boswellia for brain inflammation. Turmuric might be better for this but i'm allergic to it and Boswellia seems to come in a close second.

And last, Thalamus homeopathic nasal drops.

In addition to this I muscle tested positive for most of the other supps I was already on including

Vit A C D E

Magnesium

Trace Minerals

Wobenzym

Liothyronine (T3)

Burbur

Pinella

Ginko Biloba

Lithium Orotate

Melatonine

Salmon Oil

Phosphatidyl Choline

They rejected the single best supplement i've ever taken....Free N Easy Wanderer. Maybe its outlived its usefulness for me?

They also rejected K MAG KG, Vit. B-50, Phosphatidyl Serine and Eight Flavor Rehmannia. So two of the chinese herbs that have helped me so much over the years they said are blocking me somehow. I can still take the Golden Book.

Also, I got to meet Cheryl!! !! And the legend Doug McClean!!

Thane

From: tamarashorr <tshorrcomcast (DOT) net>To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. comSent: Tue, February 2, 2010 4:43:21 PMSubject: Re: OT: Chinese herbs

Thane, I am anxious to hear about your visit and hope you survive the next few days without supplements. I don't even like getting my thyroid tested because I have to take my supplements and meds a few HOURS later and I can barely make it 5 minutes down the road to the lab. Tamara

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Thane,

All that and a colonic. It sounds like a good experience in every way. I

have the Rizol and the Quintessence unopened for months on my counter. Maybe

I'll cowboy up.

I am really excited for you. I think its especially good that they are taking

you off of your favorites and switching them around.

I think maybe we get stuck in protocols because they worked so well for us in

the past that we don't move on. They might continue to work but we don't get

to that next level. I think I'm probably taking a few things that lost their

usefulness for me but its like a security blanket.

Give us some bits and pieces of the protocol as you figure it out. If your

mentally tired I see no reason why you can't start and stop anywhere you like.

You can sign off in the middle of a sentence and no one here would think too

much of it.

Tamara

>

> Tamara,

>  

>  I know what you mean, I can feel the toxins just creeping through my body,

and I have a whole shelf right next to the computer chock full of remedies that

will make me feel better but I have to keep resisting them till after my KPU

test.

>  

> About Dr. K's place....i've tried to write about it twice and i got too

mentally tired to finish.  Here is the summary k? 

>  

> I was very impressed with my whole experience there.  The only way to get in

to see dr. k is by first being seen by his assistants, and then in the future if

I want to see him I can.

>  

> My doc was a Bastyr trained ND who has been working at K's side for the last

two years.  She was by far the most knowledgable doc i've ever seen.  We who

frequent these message boards get exposed to so many different treatments and

most docs know very little making us feel uneasy about trusting their

judgement.  But it really didn't matter what question I asked, my doc seemed

very well informed and had an answer for everything that made perfect sense. 

>  

> I had four days of appointments.  First day was the usual explaination of my

symptoms, going over lab work, and then a bunch of muscle testing.  That first

day my doctor put together most of the protocol i'm on now.  Then she had me

come in the next day to muscle test me again once I was on all the supps to see

what else would present itself.  Then make a few adjustments, then come in the

next day for additional fine tuning and then the last day to wrap things up and

give me a full overview of my health and the plan of attack. 

>  

> So day two we fine tuned some things and added a few supplements.  Then I had

an Ozone treatment followed up by my first colonic. I didn't feel significantly

different after these treatments.

>  

> Day three the doc found that a hernia surgery scar on my lower right abdomen

was blocking proper chi flow and had that injected with the Neural Therapy

procain stuff.  Then she also treated the scars on my thumb where I had

mostly severed it in a table saw accident.  Note: don't operate dangerous

equipment with severe brain fog.

>  

> Then she gave me injections around the crown of my head with a homeopathic for

the thalamus which made my head temporarily much clearer and suddenly I didn't

have to exert so much energy to hold my eyes open.  Because of the toxins that

seem to accumulate in my brain on day three I had some craniosacral done to see

if they could open up any potential blockages at the base of my skull that could

be restricting blood circulation.   My energy system was really pretty open,

probably due to all the qigong i've done, but what was surprising is the cranio

doc told me the only place she sensed problems was in my lower jaw.  And she

suggested I swish MSM water once daily for thirty seconds.  What was interesting

about this is I also had a panoramic jaw xray done the same week by my primary

Dr. K doc who could see I had some infection in my jaw and also had told me to

swish MSM water daily.  Its interesting how sensitive people can become to

energy

> that they can know these things.  Anyway, i'll be rubbing antimicrobial rizol

oils on the inside of my mouth along my lower jaw to treat this as well.

>  

> Day four we did some more muscle testing, then wrapped things up.  I have a

boat load of supps that are running me about $1200.00 per month.  Not sure yet

how I will pay for these but will take it one month at a time.Several of

the supps will only be needed for a month or two so hopefully the price per

month can get down to around$$800-$1000 in the next few months.

>  

>   Rather than focusing on one or two infections, they are having me go at all

of them at the same time.  I am on several herbal antivirals, and will be

following up with a pharma antiviral in a month called Allinia.  I am on

antiparasitics as I tested positive for those recently on some lab work. 

>  

> I am to go back on Artemisinin but at a low dose and slowly work up. 

>  

> Teasel Root, and work my way up to ONE TEASPOON TWICE DAILY!  Big dose! 

>  

> Freeze dried garlic

>  

> Rizol Gamma which is castor oil infused with antimicrobial frx(if i understand

it correctly).

>  

> Quintessense as an antimicrobial

>  

> Detox:

>  

> Taking two homeopathic remedies for liver and kidney drainage..Unda #4 and

#243

>  

> Chlorella Vulgaris tabs 15 tabs 3X daily

>  

> Charcoal as needed

>  

> Detoxamin suppositories...three weekly for 4-6 weeks

>  

> The Core formula, which is a formula for the KPU protocol.  Even though I wont

do my KPU test for several more days, and will have to wait several weeks to get

the results, they are starting me on the protocol anyway until I learn

otherwise.

>  

>  

>  

> Physiological support:

>  

> Vit. K2 but still need to learn more about it.

>  

> Interfase, which is supposed to be a really good biofilm buster

>  

> Folinic Acid, not sure specifically why yet.

>  

> MSM for all the good things it does.

>  

> Phospholipid Exchange....not sure what exactly it is yet.

>  

> Hydrochloric acid or Apple Cider Vinegar before meals to support digestion.

(maybe this will bring down my high urine PH)

>  

> Boswellia for brain inflammation.  Turmuric might be better for this but i'm

allergic to it and Boswellia seems to come in a close second.

>  

> And last, Thalamus homeopathic nasal drops.

>  

> In addition to this I muscle tested positive for most of the other supps I was

already on including

>  

> Vit A C D E

>  

> Magnesium

>  

> Trace Minerals

>  

> Wobenzym

>  

> Liothyronine (T3)

>  

> Burbur

>  

> Pinella

>  

> Ginko Biloba

>  

> Lithium Orotate

>  

> Melatonine

>  

> Salmon Oil

>  

> Phosphatidyl Choline

>  

> They rejected the single best supplement i've ever taken....Free N Easy

Wanderer.  Maybe its outlived its usefulness for me?

>  

> They also rejected K MAG KG, Vit. B-50, Phosphatidyl Serine and Eight Flavor

Rehmannia.  So two of the chinese herbs that have helped me so much over the

years they said are blocking me somehow.  I can still take the Golden Book.

>  

> Also, I got to meet Cheryl!! !! And the legend Doug McClean!!

>  

> Thane

>  

>

>

>  

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: Lyme_and_Rife

> Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 4:43:21 PM

> Subject: Re: OT: Chinese herbs

>

>  

>

> Thane,

>

> I am anxious to hear about your visit and hope you survive the next few days

without supplements.

>

> I don't even like getting my thyroid tested because I have to take my

supplements and meds a few HOURS later and I can barely make it 5 minutes down

the road to the lab.

>

>

> Tamara

>

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WOW is all I can say- i will follow your progress closely- As i mentioned i did speak with Ron from Dr k's office and haven't ruled out going to see him. Just a long journey from Boston

Thane

How often will you have to go back to see him?

Thanks

Steel

h

c

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 7:12:25 PMSubject: Re: OT:My Dr. K experience WAS Chinese herbs

Tamara,

I know what you mean, I can feel the toxins just creeping through my body, and I have a whole shelf right next to the computer chock full of remedies that will make me feel better but I have to keep resisting them till after my KPU test.

About Dr. K's place....i've tried to write about it twice and i got too mentally tired to finish. Here is the summary k?

I was very impressed with my whole experience there. The only way to get in to see dr. k is by first being seen by his assistants, and then in the future if I want to see him I can.

My doc was a Bastyr trained ND who has been working at K's side for the last two years. She was by far the most knowledgable doc i've ever seen. We who frequent these message boards get exposed to so many different treatments and most docs know very little making us feel uneasy about trusting their judgement. But it really didn't matter what question I asked, my doc seemed very well informed and had an answer for everything that made perfect sense.

I had four days of appointments. First day was the usual explaination of my symptoms, going over lab work, and then a bunch of muscle testing. That first day my doctor put together most of the protocol i'm on now. Then she had me come in the next day to muscle test me again once I was on all the supps to see what else would present itself. Then make a few adjustments, then come in the next day for additional fine tuning and then the last day to wrap things up and give me a full overview of my health and the plan of attack.

So day two we fine tuned some things and added a few supplements. Then I had an Ozone treatment followed up by my first colonic. I didn't feel significantly different after these treatments.

Day three the doc found that a hernia surgery scar on my lower right abdomen was blocking proper chi flow and had that injected with the Neural Therapy procain stuff. Then she also treated the scars on my thumb where I had mostly severed it in a table saw accident. Note: don't operate dangerous equipment with severe brain fog.

Then she gave me injections around the crown of my head with a homeopathic for the thalamus which made my head temporarily much clearer and suddenly I didn't have to exert so much energy to hold my eyes open. Because of the toxins that seem to accumulate in my brain on day three I had some craniosacral done to see if they could open up any potential blockages at the base of my skull that could be restricting blood circulation. My energy system was really pretty open, probably due to all the qigong i've done, but what was surprising is the cranio doc told me the only place she sensed problems was in my lower jaw. And she suggested I swish MSM water once daily for thirty seconds. What was interesting about this is I also had a panoramic jaw xray done the same week by my primary Dr. K doc who could see I had some infection in my jaw and also had told me to swish MSM water

daily. Its interesting how sensitive people can become to energy that they can know these things. Anyway, i'll be rubbing antimicrobial rizol oils on the inside of my mouth along my lower jaw to treat this as well.

Day four we did some more muscle testing, then wrapped things up. I have a boat load of supps that are running me about $1200.00 per month. Not sure yet how I will pay for these but will take it one month at a time.Several of the supps will only be needed for a month or two so hopefully the price per month can get down to around$$800- $1000 in the next few months.

Rather than focusing on one or two infections, they are having me go at all of them at the same time. I am on several herbal antivirals, and will be following up with a pharma antiviral in a month called Allinia. I am on antiparasitics as I tested positive for those recently on some lab work.

I am to go back on Artemisinin but at a low dose and slowly work up.

Teasel Root, and work my way up to ONE TEASPOON TWICE DAILY! Big dose!

Freeze dried garlic

Rizol Gamma which is castor oil infused with antimicrobial frx(if i understand it correctly).

Quintessense as an antimicrobial

Detox:

Taking two homeopathic remedies for liver and kidney drainage..Unda #4 and #243

Chlorella Vulgaris tabs 15 tabs 3X daily

Charcoal as needed

Detoxamin suppositories. ..three weekly for 4-6 weeks

The Core formula, which is a formula for the KPU protocol. Even though I wont do my KPU test for several more days, and will have to wait several weeks to get the results, they are starting me on the protocol anyway until I learn otherwise.

Physiological support:

Vit. K2 but still need to learn more about it.

Interfase, which is supposed to be a really good biofilm buster

Folinic Acid, not sure specifically why yet.

MSM for all the good things it does.

Phospholipid Exchange.... not sure what exactly it is yet.

Hydrochloric acid or Apple Cider Vinegar before meals to support digestion. (maybe this will bring down my high urine PH)

Boswellia for brain inflammation. Turmuric might be better for this but i'm allergic to it and Boswellia seems to come in a close second.

And last, Thalamus homeopathic nasal drops.

In addition to this I muscle tested positive for most of the other supps I was already on including

Vit A C D E

Magnesium

Trace Minerals

Wobenzym

Liothyronine (T3)

Burbur

Pinella

Ginko Biloba

Lithium Orotate

Melatonine

Salmon Oil

Phosphatidyl Choline

They rejected the single best supplement i've ever taken....Free N Easy Wanderer. Maybe its outlived its usefulness for me?

They also rejected K MAG KG, Vit. B-50, Phosphatidyl Serine and Eight Flavor Rehmannia. So two of the chinese herbs that have helped me so much over the years they said are blocking me somehow. I can still take the Golden Book.

Also, I got to meet Cheryl!! !! And the legend Doug McClean!!

Thane

From: tamarashorr <tshorrcomcast (DOT) net>To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. comSent: Tue, February 2, 2010 4:43:21 PMSubject: Re: OT: Chinese herbs

Thane, I am anxious to hear about your visit and hope you survive the next few days without supplements. I don't even like getting my thyroid tested because I have to take my supplements and meds a few HOURS later and I can barely make it 5 minutes down the road to the lab. Tamara

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Hey ,

I hope you do make the trip out west. But I know what you mean, it was a long way from Minnesota even.

Now that i've been seen by them I can do phone consults...probaby every six weeks or so. Really whenever I think I need to. And then I wont need to go back out there till I need more muscle testing done which may be several months down the road.

Thane

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Wed, February 3, 2010 9:51:27 AMSubject: Re: OT:My Dr. K experience WAS Chinese herbs

WOW is all I can say- i will follow your progress closely- As i mentioned i did speak with Ron from Dr k's office and haven't ruled out going to see him. Just a long journey from Boston

Thane

How often will you have to go back to see him?

Thanks

Steel

h

c

From: Thane Fredrickson <thane17yahoo (DOT) com>To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. comSent: Tue, February 2, 2010 7:12:25 PMSubject: Re: OT:My Dr. K experience WAS Chinese herbs

Tamara,

I know what you mean, I can feel the toxins just creeping through my body, and I have a whole shelf right next to the computer chock full of remedies that will make me feel better but I have to keep resisting them till after my KPU test.

About Dr. K's place....i've tried to write about it twice and i got too mentally tired to finish. Here is the summary k?

I was very impressed with my whole experience there. The only way to get in to see dr. k is by first being seen by his assistants, and then in the future if I want to see him I can.

My doc was a Bastyr trained ND who has been working at K's side for the last two years. She was by far the most knowledgable doc i've ever seen. We who frequent these message boards get exposed to so many different treatments and most docs know very little making us feel uneasy about trusting their judgement. But it really didn't matter what question I asked, my doc seemed very well informed and had an answer for everything that made perfect sense.

I had four days of appointments. First day was the usual explaination of my symptoms, going over lab work, and then a bunch of muscle testing. That first day my doctor put together most of the protocol i'm on now. Then she had me come in the next day to muscle test me again once I was on all the supps to see what else would present itself. Then make a few adjustments, then come in the next day for additional fine tuning and then the last day to wrap things up and give me a full overview of my health and the plan of attack.

So day two we fine tuned some things and added a few supplements. Then I had an Ozone treatment followed up by my first colonic. I didn't feel significantly different after these treatments.

Day three the doc found that a hernia surgery scar on my lower right abdomen was blocking proper chi flow and had that injected with the Neural Therapy procain stuff. Then she also treated the scars on my thumb where I had mostly severed it in a table saw accident. Note: don't operate dangerous equipment with severe brain fog.

Then she gave me injections around the crown of my head with a homeopathic for the thalamus which made my head temporarily much clearer and suddenly I didn't have to exert so much energy to hold my eyes open. Because of the toxins that seem to accumulate in my brain on day three I had some craniosacral done to see if they could open up any potential blockages at the base of my skull that could be restricting blood circulation. My energy system was really pretty open, probably due to all the qigong i've done, but what was surprising is the cranio doc told me the only place she sensed problems was in my lower jaw. And she suggested I swish MSM water once daily for thirty seconds. What was interesting about this is I also had a panoramic jaw xray done the same week by my primary Dr. K doc who could see I had some infection in my jaw and also had told me to swish MSM water

daily. Its interesting how sensitive people can become to energy that they can know these things. Anyway, i'll be rubbing antimicrobial rizol oils on the inside of my mouth along my lower jaw to treat this as well.

Day four we did some more muscle testing, then wrapped things up. I have a boat load of supps that are running me about $1200.00 per month. Not sure yet how I will pay for these but will take it one month at a time.Several of the supps will only be needed for a month or two so hopefully the price per month can get down to around$$800- $1000 in the next few months.

Rather than focusing on one or two infections, they are having me go at all of them at the same time. I am on several herbal antivirals, and will be following up with a pharma antiviral in a month called Allinia. I am on antiparasitics as I tested positive for those recently on some lab work.

I am to go back on Artemisinin but at a low dose and slowly work up.

Teasel Root, and work my way up to ONE TEASPOON TWICE DAILY! Big dose!

Freeze dried garlic

Rizol Gamma which is castor oil infused with antimicrobial frx(if i understand it correctly).

Quintessense as an antimicrobial

Detox:

Taking two homeopathic remedies for liver and kidney drainage..Unda #4 and #243

Chlorella Vulgaris tabs 15 tabs 3X daily

Charcoal as needed

Detoxamin suppositories. ..three weekly for 4-6 weeks

The Core formula, which is a formula for the KPU protocol. Even though I wont do my KPU test for several more days, and will have to wait several weeks to get the results, they are starting me on the protocol anyway until I learn otherwise.

Physiological support:

Vit. K2 but still need to learn more about it.

Interfase, which is supposed to be a really good biofilm buster

Folinic Acid, not sure specifically why yet.

MSM for all the good things it does.

Phospholipid Exchange.... not sure what exactly it is yet.

Hydrochloric acid or Apple Cider Vinegar before meals to support digestion. (maybe this will bring down my high urine PH)

Boswellia for brain inflammation. Turmuric might be better for this but i'm allergic to it and Boswellia seems to come in a close second.

And last, Thalamus homeopathic nasal drops.

In addition to this I muscle tested positive for most of the other supps I was already on including

Vit A C D E

Magnesium

Trace Minerals

Wobenzym

Liothyronine (T3)

Burbur

Pinella

Ginko Biloba

Lithium Orotate

Melatonine

Salmon Oil

Phosphatidyl Choline

They rejected the single best supplement i've ever taken....Free N Easy Wanderer. Maybe its outlived its usefulness for me?

They also rejected K MAG KG, Vit. B-50, Phosphatidyl Serine and Eight Flavor Rehmannia. So two of the chinese herbs that have helped me so much over the years they said are blocking me somehow. I can still take the Golden Book.

Also, I got to meet Cheryl!! !! And the legend Doug McClean!!

Thane

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Thane, I am anxious to hear about your visit and hope you survive the next few days without supplements. I don't even like getting my thyroid tested because I have to take my supplements and meds a few HOURS later and I can barely make it 5 minutes down the road to the lab. Tamara

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Subject: Re: OT:My Dr. K experience WAS Chinese herbsTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 2:12 AM

Thane, All that and a colonic. It sounds like a good experience in every way. I have the Rizol and the Quintessence unopened for months on my counter. Maybe I'll cowboy up. I am really excited for you. I think its especially good that they are taking you off of your favorites and switching them around. I think maybe we get stuck in protocols because they worked so well for us in the past that we don't move on. They might continue to work but we don't get to that next level. I think I'm probably taking a few things that lost their usefulness for me but its like a security blanket. Give us some bits and pieces of the protocol as you figure it out. If your mentally tired I see no reason why you can't start and stop anywhere you like. You can sign off in the middle of a sentence and no one here would think too much of it. Tamara >> Tamara,> > I know what you mean, I can feel the toxins just creeping through my body, and I have a whole shelf right next to the computer chock full of remedies that will make me feel better but I have to keep resisting them till after my KPU test.> > About Dr. K's place....i've tried to write about it twice and i got too mentally tired to finish. Here is the summary k? > > I was very impressed with my whole experience there. The only way to get in to see dr. k is by first being seen by his assistants, and then in the future if I want to see him I can. > > My doc was a Bastyr trained ND who has

been working at K's side for the last two years. She was by far the most knowledgable doc i've ever seen. We who frequent these message boards get exposed to so many different treatments and most docs know very little making us feel uneasy about trusting their judgement. But it really didn't matter what question I asked, my doc seemed very well informed and had an answer for everything that made perfect sense. > > I had four days of appointments. First day was the usual explaination of my symptoms, going over lab work, and then a bunch of muscle testing. That first day my doctor put together most of the protocol i'm on now. Then she had me come in the next day to muscle test me again once I was on all the supps to see what else would present itself. Then make a few adjustments, then come in the next day for additional fine tuning and then the last day to wrap things up and give me

a full overview of my health and the plan of attack. > > So day two we fine tuned some things and added a few supplements. Then I had an Ozone treatment followed up by my first colonic. I didn't feel significantly different after these treatments.> > Day three the doc found that a hernia surgery scar on my lower right abdomen was blocking proper chi flow and had that injected with the Neural Therapy procain stuff. Then she also treated the scars on my thumb where I had mostly severed it in a table saw accident. Note: don't operate dangerous equipment with severe brain fog.> > Then she gave me injections around the crown of my head with a homeopathic for the thalamus which made my head temporarily much clearer and suddenly I didn't have to exert so much energy to hold my eyes open. Because of the toxins that seem to accumulate in my

brain on day three I had some craniosacral done to see if they could open up any potential blockages at the base of my skull that could be restricting blood circulation. My energy system was really pretty open, probably due to all the qigong i've done, but what was surprising is the cranio doc told me the only place she sensed problems was in my lower jaw. And she suggested I swish MSM water once daily for thirty seconds. What was interesting about this is I also had a panoramic jaw xray done the same week by my primary Dr. K doc who could see I had some infection in my jaw and also had told me to swish MSM water daily. Its interesting how sensitive people can become to energy> that they can know these things. Anyway, i'll be rubbing antimicrobial rizol oils on the inside of my mouth along my lower jaw to treat this as well.> > Day four we did some more muscle

testing, then wrapped things up. I have a boat load of supps that are running me about $1200.00 per month. Not sure yet how I will pay for these but will take it one month at a time.Several of the supps will only be needed for a month or two so hopefully the price per month can get down to around$$800- $1000 in the next few months.> > Rather than focusing on one or two infections, they are having me go at all of them at the same time. I am on several herbal antivirals, and will be following up with a pharma antiviral in a month called Allinia. I am on antiparasitics as I tested positive for those recently on some lab work. > > I am to go back on Artemisinin but at a low dose and slowly work up. > > Teasel Root, and work my way up to ONE TEASPOON TWICE DAILY! Big dose! > > Freeze dried garlic > >

Rizol Gamma which is castor oil infused with antimicrobial frx(if i understand it correctly) .> > Quintessense as an antimicrobial> > Detox:> > Taking two homeopathic remedies for liver and kidney drainage..Unda #4 and #243> > Chlorella Vulgaris tabs 15 tabs 3X daily> > Charcoal as needed> > Detoxamin suppositories. ..three weekly for 4-6 weeks> > The Core formula, which is a formula for the KPU protocol. Even though I wont do my KPU test for several more days, and will have to wait several weeks to get the results, they are starting me on the protocol anyway until I learn otherwise. > > > > Physiological support:> > Vit. K2 but still need to learn more about it.> > Interfase, which is supposed to be

a really good biofilm buster> > Folinic Acid, not sure specifically why yet.> > MSM for all the good things it does.> > Phospholipid Exchange.... not sure what exactly it is yet.> > Hydrochloric acid or Apple Cider Vinegar before meals to support digestion. (maybe this will bring down my high urine PH)> > Boswellia for brain inflammation. Turmuric might be better for this but i'm allergic to it and Boswellia seems to come in a close second.> > And last, Thalamus homeopathic nasal drops.> > In addition to this I muscle tested positive for most of the other supps I was already on including> > Vit A C D E> > Magnesium> > Trace Minerals> > Wobenzym> > Liothyronine (T3)> > Burbur>

> Pinella> > Ginko Biloba> > Lithium Orotate> > Melatonine> > Salmon Oil> > Phosphatidyl Choline> > They rejected the single best supplement i've ever taken....Free N Easy Wanderer. Maybe its outlived its usefulness for me?> > They also rejected K MAG KG, Vit. B-50, Phosphatidyl Serine and Eight Flavor Rehmannia. So two of the chinese herbs that have helped me so much over the years they said are blocking me somehow. I can still take the Golden Book.> > Also, I got to meet Cheryl!! !! And the legend Doug McClean!!> > Thane> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 4:43:21 PM> Subject: Re: OT: Chinese herbs> > > > Thane, > > I am anxious to hear about your visit and hope you survive the next few days without supplements. > > I don't even like getting my thyroid tested because I have to take my supplements and meds a few HOURS later and I can barely make it 5 minutes down the road to the lab. > > > Tamara>

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To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Wed, February 3, 2010 2:43:35 PMSubject: Re: Re: OT:My Dr. K experience WAS Chinese herbs

Thane, best wishes for you with Dr. K. I'll be thinking of you.

From: tamarashorr <tshorrcomcast (DOT) net>Subject: Re: OT:My Dr. K experience WAS Chinese herbsTo: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. comDate: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 2:12 AM

Thane, All that and a colonic. It sounds like a good experience in every way. I have the Rizol and the Quintessence unopened for months on my counter. Maybe I'll cowboy up. I am really excited for you. I think its especially good that they are taking you off of your favorites and switching them around. I think maybe we get stuck in protocols because they worked so well for us in the past that we don't move on. They might continue to work but we don't get to that next level. I think I'm probably taking a few things that lost their usefulness for me but its like a security blanket. Give us some bits and pieces of the protocol as you figure it out. If your mentally tired I see no reason why you can't start and stop anywhere you like. You can sign off in the middle of a sentence and no one here would think too much of it. Tamara >> Tamara,> > I know what you mean, I can feel the toxins just creeping through my body, and I have a whole shelf right next to the computer chock full of remedies that will make me feel better but I have to keep resisting them till after my KPU test.> > About Dr. K's place....i've tried to write about it twice and i got too mentally tired to finish. Here is the summary k? > > I was very impressed with my whole experience there. The only way to get in to see dr. k is by first being seen by his assistants, and then in the future if I want to see him I can. > > My doc was a Bastyr trained ND who has been working at K's side for the last two

years. She was by far the most knowledgable doc i've ever seen. We who frequent these message boards get exposed to so many different treatments and most docs know very little making us feel uneasy about trusting their judgement. But it really didn't matter what question I asked, my doc seemed very well informed and had an answer for everything that made perfect sense. > > I had four days of appointments. First day was the usual explaination of my symptoms, going over lab work, and then a bunch of muscle testing. That first day my doctor put together most of the protocol i'm on now. Then she had me come in the next day to muscle test me again once I was on all the supps to see what else would present itself. Then make a few adjustments, then come in the next day for additional fine tuning and then the last day to wrap things up and give me a full overview of my health and the plan

of attack. > > So day two we fine tuned some things and added a few supplements. Then I had an Ozone treatment followed up by my first colonic. I didn't feel significantly different after these treatments.> > Day three the doc found that a hernia surgery scar on my lower right abdomen was blocking proper chi flow and had that injected with the Neural Therapy procain stuff. Then she also treated the scars on my thumb where I had mostly severed it in a table saw accident. Note: don't operate dangerous equipment with severe brain fog.> > Then she gave me injections around the crown of my head with a homeopathic for the thalamus which made my head temporarily much clearer and suddenly I didn't have to exert so much energy to hold my eyes open. Because of the toxins that seem to accumulate in my brain on day three I had some

craniosacral done to see if they could open up any potential blockages at the base of my skull that could be restricting blood circulation. My energy system was really pretty open, probably due to all the qigong i've done, but what was surprising is the cranio doc told me the only place she sensed problems was in my lower jaw. And she suggested I swish MSM water once daily for thirty seconds. What was interesting about this is I also had a panoramic jaw xray done the same week by my primary Dr. K doc who could see I had some infection in my jaw and also had told me to swish MSM water daily. Its interesting how sensitive people can become to energy> that they can know these things. Anyway, i'll be rubbing antimicrobial rizol oils on the inside of my mouth along my lower jaw to treat this as well.> > Day four we did some more muscle testing, then wrapped things up. I

have a boat load of supps that are running me about $1200.00 per month. Not sure yet how I will pay for these but will take it one month at a time.Several of the supps will only be needed for a month or two so hopefully the price per month can get down to around$$800- $1000 in the next few months.> > Rather than focusing on one or two infections, they are having me go at all of them at the same time. I am on several herbal antivirals, and will be following up with a pharma antiviral in a month called Allinia. I am on antiparasitics as I tested positive for those recently on some lab work. > > I am to go back on Artemisinin but at a low dose and slowly work up. > > Teasel Root, and work my way up to ONE TEASPOON TWICE DAILY! Big dose! > > Freeze dried garlic > > Rizol Gamma which is castor oil infused

with antimicrobial frx(if i understand it correctly) .> > Quintessense as an antimicrobial> > Detox:> > Taking two homeopathic remedies for liver and kidney drainage..Unda #4 and #243> > Chlorella Vulgaris tabs 15 tabs 3X daily> > Charcoal as needed> > Detoxamin suppositories. ..three weekly for 4-6 weeks> > The Core formula, which is a formula for the KPU protocol. Even though I wont do my KPU test for several more days, and will have to wait several weeks to get the results, they are starting me on the protocol anyway until I learn otherwise. > > > > Physiological support:> > Vit. K2 but still need to learn more about it.> > Interfase, which is supposed to be a really good biofilm buster>

> Folinic Acid, not sure specifically why yet.> > MSM for all the good things it does.> > Phospholipid Exchange.... not sure what exactly it is yet.> > Hydrochloric acid or Apple Cider Vinegar before meals to support digestion. (maybe this will bring down my high urine PH)> > Boswellia for brain inflammation. Turmuric might be better for this but i'm allergic to it and Boswellia seems to come in a close second.> > And last, Thalamus homeopathic nasal drops.> > In addition to this I muscle tested positive for most of the other supps I was already on including> > Vit A C D E> > Magnesium> > Trace Minerals> > Wobenzym> > Liothyronine (T3)> > Burbur> > Pinella> >

Ginko Biloba> > Lithium Orotate> > Melatonine> > Salmon Oil> > Phosphatidyl Choline> > They rejected the single best supplement i've ever taken....Free N Easy Wanderer. Maybe its outlived its usefulness for me?> > They also rejected K MAG KG, Vit. B-50, Phosphatidyl Serine and Eight Flavor Rehmannia. So two of the chinese herbs that have helped me so much over the years they said are blocking me somehow. I can still take the Golden Book.> > Also, I got to meet Cheryl!! !! And the legend Doug McClean!!> > Thane> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 4:43:21 PM> Subject: Re: OT: Chinese herbs> > > > Thane, > > I am anxious to hear about your visit and hope you survive the next few days without supplements. > > I don't even like getting my thyroid tested because I have to take my supplements and meds a few HOURS later and I can barely make it 5 minutes down the road to the lab. > > > Tamara>

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hi thane, great post!what form and how much vitamin A do you take? what seems most wonderful to me is to have a doctor who is thorough and is there, present, knows all the ramifications. so many of us are slogging through a zillion protocols, have spent kazillions on things that don't work or confuse us. even if dr k is $$ if you are actually getting what you need it is totally worth it.xosusie Tamara, I know what you mean, I can feel the toxins just creeping through my body, and I have a whole shelf right next to the computer chock full of remedies that will make me feel better but I have to keep resisting them till after my KPU test. About Dr. K's place....i've tried to write about it twice and i got too mentally tired to finish. Here is the summary k? I was very impressed with my whole experience there. The only way to get in to see dr. k is by first being seen by his assistants, and then in the future if I want to see him I can. My doc was a Bastyr trained ND who has been working at K's side for the last two years. She was by far the most knowledgable doc i've ever seen. We who frequent these message boards get exposed to so many different treatments and most docs know very little making us feel uneasy about trusting their judgement. But it really didn't matter what question I asked, my doc seemed very well informed and had an answer for everything that made perfect sense. I had four days of appointments. First day was the usual explaination of my symptoms, going over lab work, and then a bunch of muscle testing. That first day my doctor put together most of the protocol i'm on now. Then she had me come in the next day to muscle test me again once I was on all the supps to see what else would present itself. Then make a few adjustments, then come in the next day for additional fine tuning and then the last day to wrap things up and give me a full overview of my health and the plan of attack. So day two we fine tuned some things and added a few supplements. Then I had an Ozone treatment followed up by my first colonic. I didn't feel significantly different after these treatments. Day three the doc found that a hernia surgery scar on my lower right abdomen was blocking proper chi flow and had that injected with the Neural Therapy procain stuff. Then she also treated the scars on my thumb where I had mostly severed it in a table saw accident. Note: don't operate dangerous equipment with severe brain fog. Then she gave me injections around the crown of my head with a homeopathic for the thalamus which made my head temporarily much clearer and suddenly I didn't have to exert so much energy to hold my eyes open. Because of the toxins that seem to accumulate in my brain on day three I had some craniosacral done to see if they could open up any potential blockages at the base of my skull that could be restricting blood circulation. My energy system was really pretty open, probably due to all the qigong i've done, but what was surprising is the cranio doc told me the only place she sensed problems was in my lower jaw. And she suggested I swish MSM water once daily for thirty seconds. What was interesting about this is I also had a panoramic jaw xray done the same week by my primary Dr. K doc who could see I had some infection in my jaw and also had told me to swish MSM water daily. Its interesting how sensitive people can become to energy that they can know these things. Anyway, i'll be rubbing antimicrobial rizol oils on the inside of my mouth along my lower jaw to treat this as well. Day four we did some more muscle testing, then wrapped things up. I have a boat load of supps that are running me about $1200.00 per month. Not sure yet how I will pay for these but will take it one month at a time.Several of the supps will only be needed for a month or two so hopefully the price per month can get down to around$$800-$1000 in the next few months. Rather than focusing on one or two infections, they are having me go at all of them at the same time. I am on several herbal antivirals, and will be following up with a pharma antiviral in a month called Allinia. I am on antiparasitics as I tested positive for those recently on some lab work. I am to go back on Artemisinin but at a low dose and slowly work up. Teasel Root, and work my way up to ONE TEASPOON TWICE DAILY! Big dose! Freeze dried garlic Rizol Gamma which is castor oil infused with antimicrobial frx(if i understand it correctly). Quintessense as an antimicrobial Detox: Taking two homeopathic remedies for liver and kidney drainage..Unda #4 and #243 Chlorella Vulgaris tabs 15 tabs 3X daily Charcoal as needed Detoxamin suppositories...three weekly for 4-6 weeks The Core formula, which is a formula for the KPU protocol. Even though I wont do my KPU test for several more days, and will have to wait several weeks to get the results, they are starting me on the protocol anyway until I learn otherwise. Physiological support: Vit. K2 but still need to learn more about it. Interfase, which is supposed to be a really good biofilm buster Folinic Acid, not sure specifically why yet. MSM for all the good things it does. Phospholipid Exchange....not sure what exactly it is yet. Hydrochloric acid or Apple Cider Vinegar before meals to support digestion. (maybe this will bring down my high urine PH) Boswellia for brain inflammation. Turmuric might be better for this but i'm allergic to it and Boswellia seems to come in a close second. And last, Thalamus homeopathic nasal drops. In addition to this I muscle tested positive for most of the other supps I was already on including Vit A C D E Magnesium Trace Minerals Wobenzym Liothyronine (T3) Burbur Pinella Ginko Biloba Lithium Orotate Melatonine Salmon Oil Phosphatidyl Choline They rejected the single best supplement i've ever taken....Free N Easy Wanderer. Maybe its outlived its usefulness for me? They also rejected K MAG KG, Vit. B-50, Phosphatidyl Serine and Eight Flavor Rehmannia. So two of the chinese herbs that have helped me so much over the years they said are blocking me somehow. I can still take the Golden Book. Also, I got to meet Cheryl!! !! And the legend Doug McClean!! Thane From: tamarashorr <tshorrcomcast (DOT) net>To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 4:43:21 PMSubject: Re: OT: Chinese herbs Thane, I am anxious to hear about your visit and hope you survive the next few days without supplements. I don't even like getting my thyroid tested because I have to take my supplements and meds a few HOURS later and I can barely make it 5 minutes down the road to the lab. Tamara

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I've read vitamin A competes for the same receptors as vitamin D.How do we adjust for this, since both are important?L

 

hi thane, great post!what form and how much vitamin A do you take?   what seems most wonderful to me is to have a doctor who is thorough and is there, present, knows all the ramifications.   so many of us are slogging through a zillion protocols, have spent kazillions on things that don't work or confuse us.  even if dr k is $$ if you are actually getting what you need it is totally worth it.

xosusie

  Tamara,    I know what you mean, I can feel the toxins just creeping through my body, and I have a whole shelf right next to the computer chock full of remedies that will make me feel better but I have to keep resisting them till after my KPU test.

  About Dr. K's place....i've tried to write about it twice and i got too mentally tired to finish.  Here is the summary k?    I was very impressed with my whole experience there.  The only way to get in to see dr. k is by first being seen by his assistants, and then in the future if I want to see him I can.

  My doc was a Bastyr trained ND who has been working at K's side for the last two years.  She was by far the most knowledgable doc i've ever seen.  We who frequent these message boards get exposed to so many different treatments and most docs know very little making us feel uneasy about trusting their judgement.  But it really didn't matter what question I asked, my doc seemed very well informed and had an answer for everything that made perfect sense. 

  I had four days of appointments.  First day was the usual explaination of my symptoms, going over lab work, and then a bunch of muscle testing.  That first day my doctor put together most of the protocol i'm on now.  Then she had me come in the next day to muscle test me again once I was on all the supps to see what else would present itself.  Then make a few adjustments, then come in the next day for additional fine tuning and then the last day to wrap things up and give me a full overview of my health and the plan of attack. 

  So day two we fine tuned some things and added a few supplements.  Then I had an Ozone treatment followed up by my first colonic. I didn't feel significantly different after these treatments.

  Day three the doc found that a hernia surgery scar on my lower right abdomen was blocking proper chi flow and had that injected with the Neural Therapy procain stuff.  Then she also treated the scars on my thumb where I had mostly severed it in a table saw accident.  Note: don't operate dangerous equipment with severe brain fog.

  Then she gave me injections around the crown of my head with a homeopathic for the thalamus which made my head temporarily much clearer and suddenly I didn't have to exert so much energy to hold my eyes open.  Because of the toxins that seem to accumulate in my brain on day three I had some craniosacral done to see if they could open up any potential blockages at the base of my skull that could be restricting blood circulation.   My energy system was really pretty open, probably due to all the qigong i've done, but what was surprising is the cranio doc told me the only place she sensed problems was in my lower jaw.  And she suggested I swish MSM water once daily for thirty seconds.  What was interesting about this is I also had a panoramic jaw xray done the same week by my primary Dr. K doc who could see I had some infection in my jaw and also had told me to swish MSM water daily.  Its interesting how sensitive people can become to energy that they can know these things.  Anyway, i'll be rubbing antimicrobial rizol oils on the inside of my mouth along my lower jaw to treat this as well.

  Day four we did some more muscle testing, then wrapped things up.  I have a boat load of supps that are running me about $1200.00 per month.  Not sure yet how I will pay for these but will take it one month at a time.Several of the supps will only be needed for a month or two so hopefully the price per month can get down to around$$800-$1000 in the next few months.

    Rather than focusing on one or two infections, they are having me go at all of them at the same time.  I am on several herbal antivirals, and will be following up with a pharma antiviral in a month called Allinia.  I am on antiparasitics as I tested positive for those recently on some lab work. 

  I am to go back on Artemisinin but at a low dose and slowly work up.    Teasel Root, and work my way up to ONE TEASPOON TWICE DAILY!  Big dose! 

  Freeze dried garlic   Rizol Gamma which is castor oil infused with antimicrobial frx(if i understand it correctly).   Quintessense as an antimicrobial

  Detox:   Taking two homeopathic remedies for liver and kidney drainage..Unda #4 and #243   Chlorella Vulgaris tabs 15 tabs 3X daily

  Charcoal as needed   Detoxamin suppositories...three weekly for 4-6 weeks   The Core formula, which is a formula for the KPU protocol.  Even though I wont do my KPU test for several more days, and will have to wait several weeks to get the results, they are starting me on the protocol anyway until I learn otherwise.

      Physiological support:   Vit. K2 but still need to learn more about it.   Interfase, which is supposed to be a really good biofilm buster

  Folinic Acid, not sure specifically why yet.   MSM for all the good things it does.   Phospholipid Exchange....not sure what exactly it is yet.

  Hydrochloric acid or Apple Cider Vinegar before meals to support digestion. (maybe this will bring down my high urine PH)   Boswellia for brain inflammation.  Turmuric might be better for this but i'm allergic to it and Boswellia seems to come in a close second.

  And last, Thalamus homeopathic nasal drops.   In addition to this I muscle tested positive for most of the other supps I was already on including

  Vit A C D E   Magnesium   Trace Minerals   Wobenzym   Liothyronine (T3)

  Burbur   Pinella   Ginko Biloba   Lithium Orotate  

Melatonine   Salmon Oil   Phosphatidyl Choline   They rejected the single best supplement i've ever taken....Free N Easy Wanderer.  Maybe its outlived its usefulness for me?

  They also rejected K MAG KG, Vit. B-50, Phosphatidyl Serine and Eight Flavor Rehmannia.  So two of the chinese herbs that have helped me so much over the years they said are blocking me somehow.  I can still take the Golden Book.

  Also, I got to meet Cheryl!! !! And the legend Doug McClean!!   Thane        

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Subject: Re: OT: Chinese herbs  Thane, I am anxious to hear about your visit and hope you survive the next few days without supplements.

I don't even like getting my thyroid tested because I have to take my supplements and meds a few HOURS later and I can barely make it 5 minutes down the road to the lab. Tamara

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I am doing a lot of the same supps as Thane. My DR has me on Pure encapsulations Vit A, 5 days on and 2 off. 1 cap. Everything is take is energy test for me. I also take D3,K2,KPU supps and much more. I am starting to see progress. I am also doing Rifing every 3 days,40 sec for Babs,Bart,Lyme and Mycoplasma,also energy tested so all of this is specific for me. Joyce

Tamara, I know what you mean, I can feel the toxins just creeping through my body, and I have a whole shelf right next to the computer chock full of remedies that will make me feel better but I have to keep resisting them till after my KPU test.

About Dr. K's place....i've tried to write about it twice and i got too mentally tired to finish. Here is the summary k? I was very impressed with my whole experience there. The only way to get in to see dr. k is by first being seen by his assistants, and then in the future if I want to see him I can.

My doc was a Bastyr trained ND who has been working at K's side for the last two years. She was by far the most knowledgable doc i've ever seen. We who frequent these message boards get exposed to so many different treatments and most docs know very little making us feel uneasy about trusting their judgement. But it really didn't matter what question I asked, my doc seemed very well informed and had an answer for everything that made perfect sense.

I had four days of appointments. First day was the usual explaination of my symptoms, going over lab work, and then a bunch of muscle testing. That first day my doctor put together most of the protocol i'm on now. Then she had me come in the next day to muscle test me again once I was on all the supps to see what else would present itself. Then make a few adjustments, then come in the next day for additional fine tuning and then the last day to wrap things up and give me a full overview of my health and the plan of attack.

So day two we fine tuned some things and added a few supplements. Then I had an Ozone treatment followed up by my first colonic. I didn't feel significantly different after these treatments.

Day three the doc found that a hernia surgery scar on my lower right abdomen was blocking proper chi flow and had that injected with the Neural Therapy procain stuff. Then she also treated the scars on my thumb where I had mostly severed it in a table saw accident. Note: don't operate dangerous equipment with severe brain fog.

Then she gave me injections around the crown of my head with a homeopathic for the thalamus which made my head temporarily much clearer and suddenly I didn't have to exert so much energy to hold my eyes open. Because of the toxins that seem to accumulate in my brain on day three I had some craniosacral done to see if they could open up any potential blockages at the base of my skull that could be restricting blood circulation. My energy system was really pretty open, probably due to all the qigong i've done, but what was surprising is the cranio doc told me the only place she sensed problems was in my lower jaw. And she suggested I swish MSM water once daily for thirty seconds. What was interesting about this is I also had a panoramic jaw xray done the same week by my primary Dr. K doc who could see I had some infection in my jaw and also had told me to

swish MSM water daily. Its interesting how sensitive people can become to energy that they can know these things. Anyway, i'll be rubbing antimicrobial rizol oils on the inside of my mouth along my lower jaw to treat this as well.

Day four we did some more muscle testing, then wrapped things up. I have a boat load of supps that are running me about $1200.00 per month. Not sure yet how I will pay for these but will take it one month at a time.Several of the supps will only be needed for a month or two so hopefully the price per month can get down to around$$800- $1000 in the next few months.

Rather than focusing on one or two infections, they are having me go at all of them at the same time. I am on several herbal antivirals, and will be following up with a pharma antiviral in a month called Allinia. I am on antiparasitics as I tested positive for those recently on some lab work.

I am to go back on Artemisinin but at a low dose and slowly work up. Teasel Root, and work my way up to ONE TEASPOON TWICE DAILY! Big dose!

Freeze dried garlic Rizol Gamma which is castor oil infused with antimicrobial frx(if i understand it correctly) . Quintessense as an antimicrobial

Detox: Taking two homeopathic remedies for liver and kidney drainage..Unda #4 and #243 Chlorella Vulgaris tabs 15 tabs 3X daily

Charcoal as needed Detoxamin suppositories. ..three weekly for 4-6 weeks The Core formula, which is a formula for the KPU protocol. Even though I wont do my KPU test for several more days, and will have to wait several weeks to get the results, they are starting me on the protocol anyway until I learn otherwise.

Physiological support: Vit. K2 but still need to learn more about it. Interfase, which is supposed to be a really good biofilm buster

Folinic Acid, not sure specifically why yet. MSM for all the good things it does. Phospholipid Exchange.... not sure what exactly it is yet.

Hydrochloric acid or Apple Cider Vinegar before meals to support digestion. (maybe this will bring down my high urine PH) Boswellia for brain inflammation. Turmuric might be better for this but i'm allergic to it and Boswellia seems to come in a close second.

And last, Thalamus homeopathic nasal drops. In addition to this I muscle tested positive for most of the other supps I was already on including

Vit A C D E Magnesium Trace Minerals Wobenzym Liothyronine (T3)

Burbur Pinella Ginko Biloba Lithium Orotate

Melatonine Salmon Oil Phosphatidyl Choline They rejected the single best supplement i've ever taken....Free N Easy Wanderer. Maybe its outlived its usefulness for me?

They also rejected K MAG KG, Vit. B-50, Phosphatidyl Serine and Eight Flavor Rehmannia. So two of the chinese herbs that have helped me so much over the years they said are blocking me somehow. I can still take the Golden Book.

Also, I got to meet Cheryl!! !! And the legend Doug McClean!! Thane

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Subject: Re: OT: Chinese herbs Thane, I am anxious to hear about your visit and hope you survive the next few days without supplements.

I don't even like getting my thyroid tested because I have to take my supplements and meds a few HOURS later and I can barely make it 5 minutes down the road to the lab. Tamara

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Hi Joyce,I'm not sure how long you've been rifing, but it is my understanding that Bart reproduces so fast, that you must rife/coil twice a day.  Babesia reproduces at a rate that you must treat once a day, maybe every other day. I also have every other day for myco. And lyme, some say weekly. Some say twice a month is enough.

I'm coiling everyday for all, but Lyme.  Am on day 4 now.L

 

I am doing a lot of the same supps as Thane. My DR has me on Pure encapsulations Vit A, 5 days on and 2 off. 1 cap.  Everything is take is energy test for me. I also take D3,K2,KPU supps and much more. I am starting to see progress. I am also doing Rifing every 3 days,40 sec for Babs,Bart,Lyme and Mycoplasma,also energy tested so all of this is specific for me. Joyce

  Tamara,    I know what you mean, I can feel the toxins just creeping through my body, and I have a whole shelf right next to the computer chock full of remedies that will make me feel better but I have to keep resisting them till after my KPU test.

  About Dr. K's place....i've tried to write about it twice and i got too mentally tired to finish.  Here is the summary k?    I was very impressed with my whole experience there.  The only way to get in to see dr. k is by first being seen by his assistants, and then in the future if I want to see him I can.

  My doc was a Bastyr trained ND who has been working at K's side for the last two years.  She was by far the most knowledgable doc i've ever seen.  We who frequent these message boards get exposed to so many different treatments and most docs know very little making us feel uneasy about trusting their judgement.  But it really didn't matter what question I asked, my doc seemed very well informed and had an answer for everything that made perfect sense. 

  I had four days of appointments.  First day was the usual explaination of my symptoms, going over lab work, and then a bunch of muscle testing.  That first day my doctor put together most of the protocol i'm on now.  Then she had me come in the next day to muscle test me again once I was on all the supps to see what else would present itself.  Then make a few adjustments, then come in the next day for additional fine tuning and then the last day to wrap things up and give me a full overview of my health and the plan of attack. 

  So day two we fine tuned some things and added a few supplements.  Then I had an Ozone treatment followed up by my first colonic. I didn't feel significantly different after these treatments.

  Day three the doc found that a hernia surgery scar on my lower right abdomen was blocking proper chi flow and had that injected with the Neural Therapy procain stuff.  Then she also treated the scars on my thumb where I had mostly severed it in a table saw accident.  Note: don't operate dangerous equipment with severe brain fog.

  Then she gave me injections around the crown of my head with a homeopathic for the thalamus which made my head temporarily much clearer and suddenly I didn't have to exert so much energy to hold my eyes open.  Because of the toxins that seem to accumulate in my brain on day three I had some craniosacral done to see if they could open up any potential blockages at the base of my skull that could be restricting blood circulation.   My energy system was really pretty open, probably due to all the qigong i've done, but what was surprising is the cranio doc told me the only place she sensed problems was in my lower jaw.  And she suggested I swish MSM water once daily for thirty seconds.  What was interesting about this is I also had a panoramic jaw xray done the same week by my primary Dr. K doc who could see I had some infection in my jaw and also had told me to

swish MSM water daily.  Its interesting how sensitive people can become to energy that they can know these things.  Anyway, i'll be rubbing antimicrobial rizol oils on the inside of my mouth along my lower jaw to treat this as well.

  Day four we did some more muscle testing, then wrapped things up.  I have a boat load of supps that are running me about $1200.00 per month.  Not sure yet how I will pay for these but will take it one month at a time.Several of the supps will only be needed for a month or two so hopefully the price per month can get down to around$$800- $1000 in the next few months.

    Rather than focusing on one or two infections, they are having me go at all of them at the same time.  I am on several herbal antivirals, and will be following up with a pharma antiviral in a month called Allinia.  I am on antiparasitics as I tested positive for those recently on some lab work. 

  I am to go back on Artemisinin but at a low dose and slowly work up.    Teasel Root, and work my way up to ONE TEASPOON TWICE DAILY!  Big dose! 

  Freeze dried garlic   Rizol Gamma which is castor oil infused with antimicrobial frx(if i understand it correctly) .   Quintessense as an antimicrobial

  Detox:   Taking two homeopathic remedies for liver and kidney drainage..Unda #4 and #243   Chlorella Vulgaris tabs 15 tabs 3X daily

  Charcoal as needed   Detoxamin suppositories. ..three weekly for 4-6 weeks   The Core formula, which is a formula for the KPU protocol.  Even though I wont do my KPU test for several more days, and will have to wait several weeks to get the results, they are starting me on the protocol anyway until I learn otherwise.

      Physiological support:   Vit. K2 but still need to learn more about it.   Interfase, which is supposed to be a really good biofilm buster

  Folinic Acid, not sure specifically why yet.   MSM for all the good things it does.   Phospholipid Exchange.... not sure what exactly it is yet.

  Hydrochloric acid or Apple Cider Vinegar before meals to support digestion. (maybe this will bring down my high urine PH)   Boswellia for brain inflammation.  Turmuric might be better for this but i'm allergic to it and Boswellia seems to come in a close second.

  And last, Thalamus homeopathic nasal drops.   In addition to this I muscle tested positive for most of the other supps I was already on including

  Vit A C D E   Magnesium   Trace Minerals   Wobenzym   Liothyronine (T3)

  Burbur   Pinella   Ginko Biloba   Lithium Orotate  

Melatonine   Salmon Oil   Phosphatidyl Choline   They rejected the single best supplement i've ever taken....Free N Easy Wanderer.  Maybe its outlived its usefulness for me?

  They also rejected K MAG KG, Vit. B-50, Phosphatidyl Serine and Eight Flavor Rehmannia.  So two of the chinese herbs that have helped me so much over the years they said are blocking me somehow.  I can still take the Golden Book.

  Also, I got to meet Cheryl!! !! And the legend Doug McClean!!   Thane        

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Subject: Re: OT: Chinese herbs  Thane, I am anxious to hear about your visit and hope you survive the next few days without supplements.

I don't even like getting my thyroid tested because I have to take my supplements and meds a few HOURS later and I can barely make it 5 minutes down the road to the lab. Tamara

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Thanks , What I am doing seems to be working for me. I am going by energy testing for times,how often etc. This changes as to what my body needs. I will run this by my MD and ask more questions when energy testing. Things are moving along nicely for me especially after getting my KPU supps at the right doses. KPU is a miracle for me. Still not easy but seeing big shifts,after yrs of hell. Joyce

Tamara, I know what you mean, I can feel the toxins just creeping through my body, and I have a whole shelf right next to the computer chock full of remedies that will make me feel better but I have to keep resisting them till after my KPU test.

About Dr. K's place....i've tried to write about it twice and i got too mentally tired to finish. Here is the summary k? I was very impressed with my whole experience there. The only way to get in to see dr. k is by first being seen by his assistants, and then in the future if I want to see him I can.

My doc was a Bastyr trained ND who has been working at K's side for the last two years. She was by far the most knowledgable doc i've ever seen. We who frequent these message boards get exposed to so many different treatments and most docs know very little making us feel uneasy about trusting their judgement. But it really didn't matter what question I asked, my doc seemed very well informed and had an answer for everything that made perfect sense.

I had four days of appointments. First day was the usual explaination of my symptoms, going over lab work, and then a bunch of muscle testing. That first day my doctor put together most of the protocol i'm on now. Then she had me come in the next day to muscle test me again once I was on all the supps to see what else would present itself. Then make a few adjustments, then come in the next day for additional fine tuning and then the last day to wrap things up and give me a full overview of my health and the plan of attack.

So day two we fine tuned some things and added a few supplements. Then I had an Ozone treatment followed up by my first colonic. I didn't feel significantly different after these treatments.

Day three the doc found that a hernia surgery scar on my lower right abdomen was blocking proper chi flow and had that injected with the Neural Therapy procain stuff. Then she also treated the scars on my thumb where I had mostly severed it in a table saw accident. Note: don't operate dangerous equipment with severe brain fog.

Then she gave me injections around the crown of my head with a homeopathic for the thalamus which made my head temporarily much clearer and suddenly I didn't have to exert so much energy to hold my eyes open. Because of the toxins that seem to accumulate in my brain on day three I had some craniosacral done to see if they could open up any potential blockages at the base of my skull that could be restricting blood circulation. My energy system was really pretty open, probably due to all the qigong i've done, but what was surprising is the cranio doc told me the only place she sensed problems was in my lower jaw. And she suggested I swish MSM water once daily for thirty seconds. What was interesting about this is I also had a panoramic jaw xray done the same week by my primary Dr. K doc who could see I had some infection in my jaw and also had told me to

swish MSM water daily. Its interesting how sensitive people can become to energy that they can know these things. Anyway, i'll be rubbing antimicrobial rizol oils on the inside of my mouth along my lower jaw to treat this as well.

Day four we did some more muscle testing, then wrapped things up. I have a boat load of supps that are running me about $1200.00 per month. Not sure yet how I will pay for these but will take it one month at a time.Several of the supps will only be needed for a month or two so hopefully the price per month can get down to around$$800- $1000 in the next few months.

Rather than focusing on one or two infections, they are having me go at all of them at the same time. I am on several herbal antivirals, and will be following up with a pharma antiviral in a month called Allinia. I am on antiparasitics as I tested positive for those recently on some lab work.

I am to go back on Artemisinin but at a low dose and slowly work up. Teasel Root, and work my way up to ONE TEASPOON TWICE DAILY! Big dose!

Freeze dried garlic Rizol Gamma which is castor oil infused with antimicrobial frx(if i understand it correctly) . Quintessense as an antimicrobial

Detox: Taking two homeopathic remedies for liver and kidney drainage..Unda #4 and #243 Chlorella Vulgaris tabs 15 tabs 3X daily

Charcoal as needed Detoxamin suppositories. ..three weekly for 4-6 weeks The Core formula, which is a formula for the KPU protocol. Even though I wont do my KPU test for several more days, and will have to wait several weeks to get the results, they are starting me on the protocol anyway until I learn otherwise.

Physiological support: Vit. K2 but still need to learn more about it. Interfase, which is supposed to be a really good biofilm buster

Folinic Acid, not sure specifically why yet. MSM for all the good things it does. Phospholipid Exchange.... not sure what exactly it is yet.

Hydrochloric acid or Apple Cider Vinegar before meals to support digestion. (maybe this will bring down my high urine PH) Boswellia for brain inflammation. Turmuric might be better for this but i'm allergic to it and Boswellia seems to come in a close second.

And last, Thalamus homeopathic nasal drops. In addition to this I muscle tested positive for most of the other supps I was already on including

Vit A C D E Magnesium Trace Minerals Wobenzym Liothyronine (T3)

Burbur Pinella Ginko Biloba Lithium Orotate

Melatonine Salmon Oil Phosphatidyl Choline They rejected the single best supplement i've ever taken....Free N Easy Wanderer. Maybe its outlived its usefulness for me?

They also rejected K MAG KG, Vit. B-50, Phosphatidyl Serine and Eight Flavor Rehmannia. So two of the chinese herbs that have helped me so much over the years they said are blocking me somehow. I can still take the Golden Book.

Also, I got to meet Cheryl!! !! And the legend Doug McClean!! Thane

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Subject: Re: OT: Chinese herbs Thane, I am anxious to hear about your visit and hope you survive the next few days without supplements.

I don't even like getting my thyroid tested because I have to take my supplements and meds a few HOURS later and I can barely make it 5 minutes down the road to the lab. Tamara

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,Forgot to say besides Rife,I am taking Cryptolepsis for Babs. 4 days on 3 off. Joyce

Tamara, I know what you mean, I can feel the toxins just creeping through my body, and I have a whole shelf right next to the computer chock full of remedies that will make me feel better but I have to keep resisting them till after my KPU test.

About Dr. K's place....i've tried to write about it twice and i got too mentally tired to finish. Here is the summary k? I was very impressed with my whole experience there. The only way to get in to see dr. k is by first being seen by his assistants, and then in the future if I want to see him I can.

My doc was a Bastyr trained ND who has been working at K's side for the last two years. She was by far the most knowledgable doc i've ever seen. We who frequent these message boards get exposed to so many different treatments and most docs know very little making us feel uneasy about trusting their judgement. But it really didn't matter what question I asked, my doc seemed very well informed and had an answer for everything that made perfect sense.

I had four days of appointments. First day was the usual explaination of my symptoms, going over lab work, and then a bunch of muscle testing. That first day my doctor put together most of the protocol i'm on now. Then she had me come in the next day to muscle test me again once I was on all the supps to see what else would present itself. Then make a few adjustments, then come in the next day for additional fine tuning and then the last day to wrap things up and give me a full overview of my health and the plan of attack.

So day two we fine tuned some things and added a few supplements. Then I had an Ozone treatment followed up by my first colonic. I didn't feel significantly different after these treatments.

Day three the doc found that a hernia surgery scar on my lower right abdomen was blocking proper chi flow and had that injected with the Neural Therapy procain stuff. Then she also treated the scars on my thumb where I had mostly severed it in a table saw accident. Note: don't operate dangerous equipment with severe brain fog.

Then she gave me injections around the crown of my head with a homeopathic for the thalamus which made my head temporarily much clearer and suddenly I didn't have to exert so much energy to hold my eyes open. Because of the toxins that seem to accumulate in my brain on day three I had some craniosacral done to see if they could open up any potential blockages at the base of my skull that could be restricting blood circulation. My energy system was really pretty open, probably due to all the qigong i've done, but what was surprising is the cranio doc told me the only place she sensed problems was in my lower jaw. And she suggested I swish MSM water once daily for thirty seconds. What was interesting about this is I also had a panoramic jaw xray done the same week by my primary Dr. K doc who could see I had some infection in my jaw and also had told me to

swish MSM water daily. Its interesting how sensitive people can become to energy that they can know these things. Anyway, i'll be rubbing antimicrobial rizol oils on the inside of my mouth along my lower jaw to treat this as well.

Day four we did some more muscle testing, then wrapped things up. I have a boat load of supps that are running me about $1200.00 per month. Not sure yet how I will pay for these but will take it one month at a time.Several of the supps will only be needed for a month or two so hopefully the price per month can get down to around$$800- $1000 in the next few months.

Rather than focusing on one or two infections, they are having me go at all of them at the same time. I am on several herbal antivirals, and will be following up with a pharma antiviral in a month called Allinia. I am on antiparasitics as I tested positive for those recently on some lab work.

I am to go back on Artemisinin but at a low dose and slowly work up. Teasel Root, and work my way up to ONE TEASPOON TWICE DAILY! Big dose!

Freeze dried garlic Rizol Gamma which is castor oil infused with antimicrobial frx(if i understand it correctly) . Quintessense as an antimicrobial

Detox: Taking two homeopathic remedies for liver and kidney drainage..Unda #4 and #243 Chlorella Vulgaris tabs 15 tabs 3X daily

Charcoal as needed Detoxamin suppositories. ..three weekly for 4-6 weeks The Core formula, which is a formula for the KPU protocol. Even though I wont do my KPU test for several more days, and will have to wait several weeks to get the results, they are starting me on the protocol anyway until I learn otherwise.

Physiological support: Vit. K2 but still need to learn more about it. Interfase, which is supposed to be a really good biofilm buster

Folinic Acid, not sure specifically why yet. MSM for all the good things it does. Phospholipid Exchange.... not sure what exactly it is yet.

Hydrochloric acid or Apple Cider Vinegar before meals to support digestion. (maybe this will bring down my high urine PH) Boswellia for brain inflammation. Turmuric might be better for this but i'm allergic to it and Boswellia seems to come in a close second.

And last, Thalamus homeopathic nasal drops. In addition to this I muscle tested positive for most of the other supps I was already on including

Vit A C D E Magnesium Trace Minerals Wobenzym Liothyronine (T3)

Burbur Pinella Ginko Biloba Lithium Orotate

Melatonine Salmon Oil Phosphatidyl Choline They rejected the single best supplement i've ever taken....Free N Easy Wanderer. Maybe its outlived its usefulness for me?

They also rejected K MAG KG, Vit. B-50, Phosphatidyl Serine and Eight Flavor Rehmannia. So two of the chinese herbs that have helped me so much over the years they said are blocking me somehow. I can still take the Golden Book.

Also, I got to meet Cheryl!! !! And the legend Doug McClean!! Thane

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Subject: Re: OT: Chinese herbs Thane, I am anxious to hear about your visit and hope you survive the next few days without supplements.

I don't even like getting my thyroid tested because I have to take my supplements and meds a few HOURS later and I can barely make it 5 minutes down the road to the lab. Tamara

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