Re: Search Lyme Rife book...discussion - Moderators Request

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry about the attack, Byran. I keep telling people these kinds

of exchanges are not okay on this forum.

We can disagree, but we don't have to pass judgement or be

rude.

So...to everyone else:

I'm not keen on the marketing stuff either, and have unanswered

questions of my own about rife machines...

BUT...Byran's been a part of our community for a long time, and even

though he's a bit agressive in the promotions dept, I've been

willing to cut him some slack since he's been trying to help for a

long time, and what he's done IS newsworthy...since he's one of us.

I doubt he's going to get rich on a rife book, but if people prefer

that the 'no marketing' rule be strictly enforced , I will (I don't

recall if it's still in the group description of the new I & I or

not). (Byran, it WOULD probably be best if you limited your

promotion of the book to a simple website url under your signature.)

Please remember, anyone can express his/her opinions, but there is a

line, and making assertions about someone's views being " seriously

dangerous " and " ridiculous " crosses it, especially considering all

of the radical, risky and pretty much unsubstantiated treatments we

talk about here.

My suggestion for all of us. If you see a post or poster you feel so

strongly about...just s.o.b. (scroll on by). Or if you feel there's

a real community need for a countering opinion to be heard, then

please do it rationally, minus insults.

Personally, I think getting into these escalating arguments based on

personal opinion is " dangerous " . It raises everyone's stress levels

and that's not healthy. So let's try to stick to making our points

in a polite way.

penny

p.s. I do NOT want this to go ANY further or to begin a debate about

it on the list. If you have a comment, back channel me before I

leave on Friday. I don't want this escalating while I'm gone.

<TheSkyKing@a...> wrote:

> I missed the transition...when did this thread turn from a

rational discussion of whether or not rife therapy is valid, to a

gun fight?

>

>

" jill1313 " wrote:

> > This is seriously dangerous misinformation. Seriously dangerous.

> You should not risk posting something like this publicly, .

You are absolutely off base and you ought to keep your opinion about

this to yourself.

> > Ridiculous, and dangerous. And I too am tired of your marketing

> > campaign on all the boards, every months or so.

[Guest guest]

Penny, what I experienced *was* dangerous. I post it as an advisory

to others, and it was not a heart herx. It is very important not to

mislead others. I had heart palpitations and tachycardia for WEEKS. I

could not lie down without my heart pounding painfully. It was very

scary and took weeks to subside. I have been told by other experts

including Aubrey Scoon, and makers of other magnetic type rife

devices, that these devices can disrupts the potassium channels

(which would affect the heart); Scoon believes devices like the Doug

device also harm the cells in the process of harming the bacteria;

and other makers of magnetic type devices warn anybody with a known

pre existing heart problem NOT TO USE THEM.

So it is not an attack on , it is fair warning that in some

people the Doug device at least, can be harmful. I know my own body

and if I was going to have a heart herx, I'd likely also have some

heart symptoms after all these years--people do get heart block, or

irregular heart rhythms, etc. I've not had those. Neither did I get

heart symptoms with antibiotics, hyperbaric at deep depths, salt/c at

high doses, or any other regimen supposed to kill borrelia.

> > > This is seriously dangerous misinformation. Seriously

dangerous.

> > You should not risk posting something like this publicly, .

> You are absolutely off base and you ought to keep your opinion

about

> this to yourself.

>

> > > Ridiculous, and dangerous. And I too am tired of your marketing

> > > campaign on all the boards, every months or so.

[Guest guest]

I do not see attack, I think it is ok for to share his findings

and promote his book openly, as well as receiving feedback on the

concept.

I this this community pretty much self polices it self I I would

certainly not want a another Agent gagged.

bleu

> Penny, what I experienced *was* dangerous. I post it as an advisory

> to others, and it was not a heart herx. It is very important not to

> mislead others. I had heart palpitations and tachycardia for WEEKS. I

> could not lie down without my heart pounding painfully. It was very

> scary and took weeks to subside. I have been told by other experts

> including Aubrey Scoon, and makers of other magnetic type rife

> devices, that these devices can disrupts the potassium channels

> (which would affect the heart); Scoon believes devices like the Doug

> device also harm the cells in the process of harming the bacteria;

> and other makers of magnetic type devices warn anybody with a known

> pre existing heart problem NOT TO USE THEM.

>

> So it is not an attack on , it is fair warning that in some

> people the Doug device at least, can be harmful. I know my own body

> and if I was going to have a heart herx, I'd likely also have some

> heart symptoms after all these years--people do get heart block, or

> irregular heart rhythms, etc. I've not had those. Neither did I get

> heart symptoms with antibiotics, hyperbaric at deep depths, salt/c at

> high doses, or any other regimen supposed to kill borrelia.

>

>

> > > > This is seriously dangerous misinformation. Seriously

> dangerous.

> > > You should not risk posting something like this publicly, .

> > You are absolutely off base and you ought to keep your opinion

> about

> > this to yourself.

> >

> > > > Ridiculous, and dangerous. And I too am tired of your marketing

> > > > campaign on all the boards, every months or so.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bleu, and anyone else who may have written regarding this,

I don't know how to say it any more simply. People can disagree all

they want. People can believe whatever they want. It comes down to

only one thing.

They cannot call each other names. No " ridiculous " , no " dangerous " .

It's not tolerated because, I'm sorry to say, it escalates, people

freak-out, and then everyone forgets why we're here. I've seen it a

thousand times.

I don't care what people do or don't do. You can stand on your head

in the bathtub and tell me it's the greatest thing since penicillin.

People can tell you why that would be a REALLY BAD idea, even a

dangerous idea, they can ASK you to reconsider, but they cannot call

YOU stupid or dangerous! Because that pushes buttons, and once

buttons get pushed, feelings get hurt, and sides get drawn, and we

end up in the midst of another Cuban Missile crisis, internet style.

It's written in black and white on the front page. No name calling.

If someone can't follow this simplest of the " golden rules " of

etiquette, then this is not the list for them. I've been sick too

long to waste one more second of my time on this kind of stuff.

Please remember, we are here to get well.

Let's all just learn to argue graciously. It will make us better

people, and benefit everybody.

I just hope new people aren't showing up for this. It's such a waste

and not what we're about!

penny

<colourbleu@f...> wrote:

> I do not see attack, I think it is ok for to share his

findings and promote his book openly, as well as receiving feedback

on the concept.

>

[Guest guest]

Jill,

I have absolutely no problem with what you just said. You have very

valid points raised in a reasonable manner which people can discuss,

either pro or con.

penny

> Penny, what I experienced *was* dangerous. I post it as an

advisory

> to others, and it was not a heart herx. It is very important not

to

> mislead others. I had heart palpitations and tachycardia for

WEEKS. I

> could not lie down without my heart pounding painfully. It was

very

> scary and took weeks to subside. I have been told by other experts

> including Aubrey Scoon, and makers of other magnetic type rife

> devices, that these devices can disrupts the potassium channels

> (which would affect the heart); Scoon believes devices like the

Doug

> device also harm the cells in the process of harming the bacteria;

> and other makers of magnetic type devices warn anybody with a

known

> pre existing heart problem NOT TO USE THEM.

>

> So it is not an attack on , it is fair warning that in some

> people the Doug device at least, can be harmful. I know my own

body

> and if I was going to have a heart herx, I'd likely also have some

> heart symptoms after all these years--people do get heart block,

or

> irregular heart rhythms, etc. I've not had those. Neither did I

get

> heart symptoms with antibiotics, hyperbaric at deep depths, salt/c

at

> high doses, or any other regimen supposed to kill borrelia.

>

>